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Most IT Directors of Enterprise Environments (myself) are still transitioning from XP to 7. I am almost done, and it mainly comes down to budget. 8 will be skipped mainly due to cost. Stop your crying. Tech moves on, apparently without you. Take a few hours with 8 and see that in some ways it is better than 7. It is a beta to be sure. I can already see the back end management with Win8+, and it is taking what has been happening in the AD/GPO for 5 years and bringing it to that next step.
The same sky is falling bullshit was said about Windows XP and is still being said about 7 by a few mouth breathers I come across. I have people tell me all the time how Win2008 is a steaming pile of feces, and that Win2003 is the pinnacle of MS OS achievement.
They are stuck being techies for that very reason.
I'm a Senior Infrastructure Engineer for Level3 Communications been here for about 5 years and we currently have 13,000 employees. We moved to Wndows 7 from XP and Microsoft is visiting our site next Wednesday to demonstrate Windows 8. I can tell you we will be purchasing Windows 8 tablets this fall.... even though they have bought Ipads for us...
I will be stuck unfortunately helping all of the end users in Central US (about 3,000 users) at Level3 but just saying Enterprises will buy it.
Once a way to standardize metroUI layouts and mass deployments through either GPO or some other avenue is revealed, you are damn straight they will. Talk about making life easy.
Totally agree with you on all levels here.
As for Server 2008, well it depends on which version. R2 is solid in a Win7 sort of way, anything before that is sorta like using Vista, steaming pile indeed.
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It shuts down and boots up extremely fast on this Samsung netbook.
Initial was rough. But time moves on and things get upgraded. The wringing of fists always happens when MS releases a new product. The Enterprise is always cited as the reason something will FAIL miserably. I run an Enterprise, and I can already see how great this new approach will be. It is years out to be sure, probably next server cycle for me, but when the backend is ready, deploy, deploy, deploy.
Desktop monkeys that don't want to learn new tricks (stuck) and clueless non-tech leadership are always the ones holding things back. 12 years in IT has taught me this.
I thought I would miss it, I do not.
The metro bucket is far more usable and malleable.
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Huh when I downloaded it I swore it said Consumer Preview, not ENTERPRISE Preview. I took it to mean people out of the IT department, so yeah all us nerds don't give a dam about your IT opinion.
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Ncsoft games that use Gamgaurd such as Lineage2, aion etc still will not run in Windows 8 gives same errors as in previous release.
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Anyone try Winkey+X? Seems to bring up a mini-start menu for me, though a lot of the options are Control panel specific.
Jesus christmas just think what happens when you start doing some real work! I don't need fucking pinball chewing up a couple hundred MB's of memory. Seriously stop drinking the koolaid.
Ummm, you can just close the app instead of suspending it by swiping down... simple as that..... so you have a bonus benefit that programs left in the background use less resources than before and you STILL have the option to close the app... there is no downside here.
We've already discussed this at our work and we won't be moving to Windows 8, and not because of the cost. This is an IT nightmare for training that is not needed. If you are in IT then you either have blinders on or get kickbacks from MS or one of the big OEM's or are just plain lying. I work for a mid size ISP and we can't even get the big fucking carriers to move up from Windows XP, yet we have IT guru's here claiming they will be moving to it....cost/training be damned this is progress! yeah right.
Love the blanket statements.
Office 2010 was supposed to be the IT nightmare of the decade... it wasn't. I deployed it in early 2011 and it has been a massive hit for users. They love it. We had internal training sessions after IT staff had been trained and it went very smoothly. About 5% of users fought it, but hey, can't help them all.
Big enterprise is just moving to 7, mainly due to costs of moving OS's. There is a lot of cost to do this, and many places have been waiting for hardware cycles to reset and simply replace. (that is what I did and most of the other Dirs I know) Most will skip 8, mainly because they just went to 7 and 7 is rock solid now. Once the 8/Metro thing becomes fleshed on the server side, Enterprise will move towards it. Just the simplified management of the UI will make it worth it in the long haul. But that needs server tools and they don't really exist yet. Once they do, the migration will start, and that is probably 5 years out.
Agreed, when are people going to realize that (when managed properly) you WANT to be using your memory! if a program can load data out of memory vs the HDD or even the SSD, it is incredibly fast.
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I think Windows 8 is very much like Office 2010 in that lots of advanced and long time Office users were clamoring on about how the Ribbon UI would be a disaster. What I'm seeing in Windows 8 is VERY nice, the average Windows user with a simple guide can figure it out in no time, it's not NEARLY as a big change in the way people have used Windows with a mouse and keyboard as some are making out to be. I just got the CP installed on my dual screen keyboard and mouse desktop and honestly it rocks even more with dual screens as Metro apps can be on one screen with the desktop on the other, very nice with the mail app.
Won't be touching this with a bargepole when it's retail. Had a play with the developer preview and you could at least get the start button back in that so it wasn't too bad. Been playing with this new release this morning and the start menu has been completely disabled in this version. The new interface might be great for a tablet but for a desktop pc without touchscreen functionality it's a giant steaming pile of shit.
Seriously though, even if the interface wasn't the momental fail that it is, I don't see any motivating reason to go from Win 7 to Win 8. Waste of time imo.
Seriously though, even if the interface wasn't the momental fail that it is, I don't see any motivating reason to go from Win 7 to Win 8. Waste of time imo.
How many of you have actually trained employees, and I don't just mean a few? Its funny how a few of you make it out to be no big deal...I can probably name the users that will reply to this. And yes Office 2010 was a headache, hell I'm still getting complaints to this day. Try putting a manual in front of an employee and tell him to figure it out.
I have. Some online FAQs, and a good team of patient it staff and you are gtg. If you show people how to do the common tasks, they will be fine. If you have a customer service orientated staff, users are not afraid to ask for help. If you properly manage from the back end most of the issues are just help desk things which will exist no matter what. Training is every working day, and my guys and gals know that. That is how it should be approached, that way they are out of the way and agreeable when we make changes.
Too many IT people are untalented, antisocial basement dwellers, and the reaction to this proves this. Shit changes, adapt, learn new skills and move on or you will be that 50 year old help desk guy that is still going on about windows me and how bad ass Nortel phone systems are... lol
here is what is going to happen:
intel releases ivy bridge tablets, which will way more powerful than any other tablet on the market, powered by windows 8 which is way more powerful than any other tablet os on the market. As more tablet people migrate to to the new more powerful wintel tablets more people will want computers that share tha same interface they have become comfortable with. i'm looking forward to uber portable gaming tablets that are just around the corner.
are you really a power user if you can't adapt to a new os? if you were a windows 95 beta tester you pretty much figured it out without any help at all. this should be a piece of cake.
intel releases ivy bridge tablets, which will way more powerful than any other tablet on the market, powered by windows 8 which is way more powerful than any other tablet os on the market. As more tablet people migrate to to the new more powerful wintel tablets more people will want computers that share tha same interface they have become comfortable with. i'm looking forward to uber portable gaming tablets that are just around the corner.
are you really a power user if you can't adapt to a new os? if you were a windows 95 beta tester you pretty much figured it out without any help at all. this should be a piece of cake.
are you really a power user if you can't adapt to a new os? if you were a windows 95 beta tester you pretty much figured it out without any help at all. this should be a piece of cake.
Well put.
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are you really a power user if you can't adapt to a new os? if you were a windows 95 beta tester you pretty much figured it out without any help at all. this should be a piece of cake.
This. Even the Windows Help System gives a decent rundown for KB/M users.
here is what is going to happen:
intel releases ivy bridge tablets, which will way more powerful than any other tablet on the market, powered by windows 8 which is way more powerful than any other tablet os on the market. As more tablet people migrate to to the new more powerful wintel tablets more people will want computers that share tha same interface they have become comfortable with. i'm looking forward to uber portable gaming tablets that are just around the corner.
are you really a power user if you can't adapt to a new os? if you were a windows 95 beta tester you pretty much figured it out without any help at all. this should be a piece of cake.
That's all fine but were not discussing power users...
It's not about adapting to a new os. My single biggest complaint it's that it's a tablet OS that MS is pushing on desktop users. On a tablet it would be awesome and I'd be all for it. On a desktop PC without touch screen functionality it's a pain in the ass. No to mention the fact that I like a nice clean desktop without shit everywhere. What's so hard about giving the consumer the choice as to what interface they want?here is what is going to happen:
are you really a power user if you can't adapt to a new os? if you were a windows 95 beta tester you pretty much figured it out without any help at all. this should be a piece of cake.
And I still haven't seen one good reason anywhere to move from Win 7 to Win 8.
And that is the bottom line as far as IT goes. The amount of time it would take and the sheer volume of complaints/bitching/moaning that moving to Win 8 with the metro interface would generate mean that for a vast number of businesses it simply isn't worth it.
LMAO, ok. Personal attacks, swearing, flailing of arms, inability to grasp simple concepts, poor spelling.
Your post delivers.
I must be a troll since I do not share your hatred of Windows 8 and I MUST not know what I am talking about if I think that the gnashing of teeth here is more of the same old bs from the same people as the last 6 go-arounds.
"OMFG, GUI's are going to RUIN computers!!!! All kinds of stupid people will screw it all up!!!"
"OMFG, OFFICE 2010 is going to be the IT disaster OF ALL TIME!!!"
"OMFG, No MOAR PS2 ports?!?!?! Holy shit the world will END now!!"
"OMFG, Windows XP is the biggest piece of shit ever! MS deserves to go bankrupt!!!!"
Oh and I am in charge of people "for real".
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I work for the biggest of the big enterprises, a mega bank, we rolled out 200,000 deployments of Office 2007 from 2009 through 2010 and have started Office 2010 deployments. The business apps I support personally support 3,000 employees, I know Windows and Office in the enterprise better than most.
I'm not saying we're jumping to Windows 8 any time soon, we will only us it on a case by case basis where Metro and touch make sense, but really, this isn't any bigger deal that moving 200,000 users from Office 2003 to 2007, our users LIVE in Office, they won't be see much of the Start Screen anyway.
LMAO, ok. Personal attacks, swearing, flailing of arms, inability to grasp simple concepts, poor spelling.
Your post delivers.
I must be a troll since I do not share your hatred of Windows 8 and I MUST not know what I am talking about if I think that the gnashing of teeth here is more of the same old bs from the same people as the last 6 go-arounds.
"OMFG, GUI's are going to RUIN computers!!!! All kinds of stupid people will screw it all up!!!"
"OMFG, OFFICE 2010 is going to be the IT disaster OF ALL TIME!!!"
"OMFG, No MOAR PS2 ports?!?!?! Holy shit the world will END now!!"
"OMFG, Windows XP is the biggest piece of shit ever! MS deserves to go bankrupt!!!!"
Oh and I am in charge of people "for real".
Ok, wow I'm done...you really are off the deep end. Way to counter argue with babbling rants. See you on the Metro UI side!
What would motivate you to move to Windows 8? I'm still trying to find a motivating reason to do so.
This point seems to be lost on some here.
These are desktop jockeys, they never see the big picture, and that is not an insult, just the nature of the beast.
Most of my users spend their lives in Office as well, not the desktop or a Start menu.
Just not seeing the problem here.
Right. Those weren't arguments, they were flailing statements. You have no interest in discussion, just calling people trolls because they see something farther down than you can comprehend.
Got anymore names you wanna call me?
No motivation now. Windows 7 is fine. When the need arises, the move will be made.
I see no point in moving until the back end management is in place. And that will be at least 5-6 years out for most companies.
So you probably have specialized people for training. That must be nice.
You take away Metro and you have WIndows 7. That's even one less reason to upgrade. That's a pretty fast upgrade path...I think where we are at is trying to stretch it to 7 years, if possible.
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I've been on it exclusively since I installed it, and it isn't all that bad once you get the hang of it. As soon as I figured out you can "close" metro apps by grabbing from the top and dragging them down, it made things a lot easier.
I don't see any reason why I wouldn't adopt this in my own personal build when it releases.
I don't see any reason why I wouldn't adopt this in my own personal build when it releases.
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And see, I don't think that the next version of Office isn't Metro style just because of time constraints.
Just got the CP on my forth machine, overall everything is looking pretty good. Still have an issue with touch and hold on my Samsung Series 7 Slate and I can't get my LTE modem driver to install, that's kind of a show stopper for mobility, got to get that one working.