Thanks for that, just replaced gMaps with TA Maps on my Samsung Focus.
Very nice
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Thanks for that, just replaced gMaps with TA Maps on my Samsung Focus.
Very nice
No, not quite. Android has kernel level protections against that, actually. That is one of the major differences between Android's kernel and upstream Linux kernel. If you write an app that fires up a while(true) thread, it will actually only run when the screen is on. When you turn off the screen and nothing has a wakelock (requires a permission to get), the kernel force suspends *everything*. Doesn't matter if a thread was running or not, it gets suspended (just like closing the lid on your laptop, actually)
Now yes, a particularly bad application can grab a wakelock and then spin loop your device to death, but that more or less requires malicious intent and is not going to happen with even a particularly bad developer. Although if that is your goal you could do the same on iOS and WP7, as well. Pretend you are doing music streaming or something and just play nothing but silent music. You've just prevented the device from sleeping and will quickly kill the battery. Heck, do it from a remote server and really maximize battery drain by keeping the cell radio active.
But I don't think there's anything dramatically different here than Windows Phone or iOS when the screen is off the behavior is going to be the same. It's when the device is on that's different.
But then that's where app curation comes into play and there's no way that Android apps are better curated than iOS or Windows Phone, its by design really.
Multitasking really isn't hurting battery life much at all.
The curation won't stop a truly motivated developer. It would be trivial to just not trigger the battery draining path until well after the app has been approved, either through a server bit flip or just a date check. Android deals with the blundering fool from draining battery, nobody handles the motivated developer from draining battery. Android will, however, at least allow you to figure out which app is responsible, and that allows the community to - in theory - police itself.
Multiples apps using resources unconstrained most DEFINITELY hurts battery life and I've seen too many Android users drain their phones faster than some of my Windows tablets to think that Android's solution is the ideal. An OS can only so far if programs just run and suck up all the power they want without some management of the programs and those programs being designed to minimize their resource utilization.
And the point of a simple to use device is that one shouldn't have to debug their phone, a task that I see a lot of Android users do. I was hacking Windows Mobile phones long before iOS and Android. I simply decided I'd rather not spent the time on a 4" screen when I've jot way more fun devices to deal with.
Apple has proven without a doubt that simplicity sells. Even someone like me that's got more complex toys than most doesn't want everything in their lives to be a science project. No curation isn't perfect but it is an excellent way to weed out trouble without having to stay up to date with every app.
Multitasking itself is not the problem. As you've already said, it's a rogue app that is the problem - a problem you seem to think is solved through curation. Therefore, you should be able to do multitasking + curation without any trouble. And if you curate your apps on Android, that certainly seems to be true.
Really? Apple has proven that? Android is outselling iPhone, or have you forgotten? And you certainly don't have to debug an Android phone either. You can if you want to, but you don't have to. If you did it wouldn't be the dominate market share. Android isn't just for geeks and nerds.
All I am saying is that the more a device uses compute resources the more power it uses. Multi-tasking makes it much easier for processes to use those resources. But sure one single threaded app could do more damage. And no curation doesn't solve the problem of more processes using more power, how could it? Again there's tradeoffs, iOs and Windows Phone simply have more constraints about the the numbers and nature of background processes and yes it helps. I only mention tablets because I have a buddy with the first Thunderbolt and the LTE radio simply destroys the battery on that thing, I just find it amazing that an x86 pure tablet with a USB 4G modem can stream video over 4G twice as long as a phone. Of course the battery is much larger but then once it again it goes to the point of just how precious battery life is on phones with all the power they can suck up.
The iPhone is the single best selling phone device by far and is iconic because of its simplicity and is indeed the model of both Android and Windows Phone devices in terms of what the basic nature of smart phone is. My point about Android phones is that everyone that I know well with one always seems to have weird shit happen. Been their and done what with Windows Mobile though it wasn't constant or anything. I've simply not experienced any real quirkiness with the Windows Phones that I and the wife have. Not it's not perfect and there have been apps that didn't work properly but the base phone stuff, just solid as a rock.
Nokia would beg to differ with you (they got 39% of the world wide market)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones
they have 7 out of the 10 all time best selling handsets
Let me rephrase, the iPhone is the best selling smart phone brand.
again, Nokia would disagree with you......
What is your openion on latest Nokia Maps used with WP7 compared to Google Maps? With N900 and N9 it still uses 5 yr old maps. So if I want to use those OVI maps in GPS Navigation. Its hard to find new places.
again, Samsung would disagree with you......
Galaxy S II, 44 million sold
Apple iPhone 4, 28 million sold
(2011 figures)
Nokia is 3rd in global smartphones.
again, Samsung would disagree with you......
Galaxy S II, 44 million sold
Apple iPhone 4, 28 million sold
(2011 figures)
These sorts of polls should be prefaced with "out of those people who have actually used all OSs for an extended period...".
Android OS seems really scattered to me. Sure it's a geek's dream OS (like Linux) and for those who love to tweak and fix things all the time. Hundreds of phones with a hundred different versions = disaster to me. And it seems like once an Android phone has been out for 6 months, it's up to the community to maintain updates and such; the manufacturer abandons it. Just my 2 cents.
And it had it's growing pains too. Hell, it still has it's problems now. It's going to get even more hairy when companies decide to take Android's code and develop a OS fork.
That's the Windows model for the PC and worked out just fine there. A robust OS that runs on everything from a toaster to an x86 machine.
Then pretty much nobody would vote because nobody would be eligible.
Amazon did this for the Kindle fire. As a result, a lot of things do not function the way people would expect...
I used windows phone 7 for 6 months and android for years. I have used meego when i had my hd2 and sold iphones @ att
OK, so maybe one person. Although if you've been using a WP7 phone for the last 6 months then you aren't really able to judge Android anymore as your experiences will be out of date
I would get the Windows phone if you don't care much about apps. I had my Windows phone for about a month and I like it, it's nice and quick, but I miss Google Navigation from my Android phone. Windows have one, but it wasn't as good in my opinion.
For what it's worth the Kindle Fire isn't a fork, it's Gingerbread + a skin.
OK, so maybe one person. Although if you've been using a WP7 phone for the last 6 months then you aren't really able to judge Android anymore as your experiences will be out of date
There are a number of pretty good navigation apps for Windows Phone, like Tech Auto.
I don't see that on the marketplace. Can you tell me where to get it?
Updated my Lumia 800 last night.....it's even better now
Is the battery bug resolved with it? How does it feel when you are unable to do skype video calling due to lack of Front Facing Camera?
7.) no citrix app ?? wtf, this is suppose to be a business phone?
I currently stuck with a windows phone HTC Arrive 7.5. every day I miss my androids. The windows user interface is nice. It looks slick and appears snappy, but testing it against my android phone -- android always finished first launching apps, searching for things and so on -- but on windows it looked more elegant.
1.) biggest gripe of windows phone - extremely limited application and no 3rd party support for customizations.
2.) no USB or mobile hotspot tethering
3.) default search is bing -- worthless
4.) this might be more of a gripe with htc arrive then windows OS, but no matter what im doing i frequently bump the search button, it closes what im working on and brings up bing. makes me rage.
5.) no menu button, makes it really hard to make setting changes in varios applications even when there is a settings menu on the touch screen its options are extremely limited
6.) requires MS Zune to do major updates
7.) no citrix app ?? wtf, this is suppose to be a business phone?
That's a problem specific to the HTC Arrive. Windows Phone 7 can do both those things on phones that have the hardware to support them.2.) no USB or mobile hotspot tethering