I hope the AG Coating looks similar to the ASUS PQ246Q I have just returned because of dead pixel issue.I hope it isn't as bad as the U2711H that monitor was terrible to my eyes.Got one, too. It's not perfect, but I'm pretty satisfied.
Also, the AG coating could be a tad milder to my liking, but I've seen worse
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Dell U2412M
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BlackBishop
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Could somebody post some photos of 2412M showing difference how much bleed can dissapear after several days of use?
Here is mine (came today)
Canon G5, 1 sec exposure
Brightness set to zero
http://imageshack.us/f/51/br0o.jpg/
Brightness set to 70
http://imageshack.us/f/696/br70.jpg/
Is it possible lower left and upper right will reduce at least 50% over time?
Here is mine (came today)
Canon G5, 1 sec exposure
Brightness set to zero
http://imageshack.us/f/51/br0o.jpg/
Brightness set to 70
http://imageshack.us/f/696/br70.jpg/
Is it possible lower left and upper right will reduce at least 50% over time?
No, it's not even close. The U2711 was far worse in my opinion. I had one too.
How does the screen look in real life set to a sensible brightness like 35 - 50?
Closer to the 0 brightness shot or the 70 brightness shot? If anything, the left side looks more like bleed than the top right.
Do you mean it's worse more grainy looking than the Asus
The U2711, and pretty much any 27" based on that panel are the worst I've ever seen in terms of "pixel magnification" noise. It shows a larger amount of red/green/blue sub-pixel magnification than any other screen I've seen. People ascribe this as being a Dell characteristic: It is not. It is LG and their polarizer sheet source.
There seem to be two issues with LG's latest anti-glare: 1) The whites show an inconsistent brightness and texture in luma (brightness) across a block of color, and 2) A "chroma" noise of magnified sub-pixels where whites get an almost rainbow effect on the red/green/blue sub-pixels.
The ZR24W, U2412M, and Asus PA246Q have some of the first, but not so much of the second. The U2711 has a lot of the first, and a lot of the second.
So the U2711 is worse than the other three by a fair bit to my eyes. Keep in mind I did have the U2711 and U2412M side-by-side at one point, and the U2412M looked a lot better in regards to anti-glare than the U2711.
In comparison to the Asus, I'd say the U2412M is at least as good or better. I did not see them side-by-side, as I saw the Asus at a store, but the U2412M seems to be better by a little bit.
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How does u2412 and hp zr24w comapre to dell`s e228wfp in term of coating?
This looks like IPS glow rather than backlight bleed. Does the brightness change if you change your viewing angle?
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another reviews that complains about IPS grainy/dirt images:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1317112577&rss
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1317112577&rss
BlackBishop
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nope - it does not change with different angles and it is the same from 30 cm and 3 meters
first day passed - no change yet...
My first panel had backlight bleed and it didn't get any better over a week until I sent it back.
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BTW - are you receiving brand new monitors or refurbished? Does refurb have some kind of stick indicating it was repaired / returned?
How many times you can ask for replacement before Dell say it wont give you another one?
How many times you can ask for replacement before Dell say it wont give you another one?
Hi,
I just ordered mine from Dell Canada. I had a nice chat with a sales rep and asked for an additional discount. I thought the worst that could happen is that they refuse. Lo and behold, I got an additional $30 discount so before taxes it came to $319. I couldn't pass up! So if you're thinking of ordering one, don't just order it online; chat or get on the phone with a sales rep and maybe you'll be able to knock down the price a little more.
Now, if only I knew somebody with a spyder3 or some other tool to calibrate it, that would be awesome. Anybody friendly enough in Ottawa that could loan me his spyder3, perhaps ?
Cheers
Gabe
I just ordered mine from Dell Canada. I had a nice chat with a sales rep and asked for an additional discount. I thought the worst that could happen is that they refuse. Lo and behold, I got an additional $30 discount so before taxes it came to $319. I couldn't pass up! So if you're thinking of ordering one, don't just order it online; chat or get on the phone with a sales rep and maybe you'll be able to knock down the price a little more.
Now, if only I knew somebody with a spyder3 or some other tool to calibrate it, that would be awesome. Anybody friendly enough in Ottawa that could loan me his spyder3, perhaps
?Cheers
Gabe
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Just curious if anyone has made the jump from a 2405FPW to one of these. Right now, I am pretty happy with the colors on my 2405 compared to my friends TN panel monitors, but I am starting to get some pretty horid image persistance, with my menu bars burned into the top of my screen until I turn the monitor off for some amount of time. Also, are black levels any improved over the 2405? That was the one thing that really bugged me making the jump from my old Sony CRT to the Dell LCD. The blacks weren't, well, black. Now I have gotten used to it but having darker blues again would be great.
So would this be a worthy upgrade? Or would it be more of a sidegrade, or even a downgrade?
So would this be a worthy upgrade? Or would it be more of a sidegrade, or even a downgrade?
That's a good price, how much GST or taxes go onto the price ? Over here they are listed at $A399 but got it for $340 by using coupons but a few weeks ago Dell had a 3 day sale and it was listed at $279 I have been holding off but no more sales.Hi,
I just ordered mine from Dell Canada. I had a nice chat with a sales rep and asked for an additional discount. I thought the worst that could happen is that they refuse. Lo and behold, I got an additional $30 discount so before taxes it came to $319. I couldn't pass up! So if you're thinking of ordering one, don't just order it online; chat or get on the phone with a sales rep and maybe you'll be able to knock down the price a little more.
Now, if only I knew somebody with a spyder3 or some other tool to calibrate it, that would be awesome. Anybody friendly enough in Ottawa that could loan me his spyder3, perhaps
Cheers
Gabe
Mine is due sometime today if I'm home at the time the courier arrives so I'm anxiously waiting.
As far as Calibrating your monitor goes, until I got my Huey Pro I use to use Calibrize and that comes very close to what I get from the Huey pro after calibrating and it's free
http://www.calibrize.com/
P.S Just a knock on the door, MY MONITOR HAS ARRIVED
Thanks for the link to Calibrize! With taxes and the "environmental fee" the total was $372.
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The prices I quoted are the full price including a 10% GST, makes me happy for a change that we Aussies aren't paying through the nose for some things.
Well I set the U2411H up and WOW what a nice screen, no dead or stuck pixels or black light bleed what ever that looks like, just a nice clear picture and the colour is pretty accurate.
I did a quick calibration using the Huey Pro in Standard Mode and there wasn't a great deal of difference but still better with the Huey Pro settings, the whites look better lost a slight yellowish tinge and the screen looks a tad darker.
Have you checked this site out http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm if you read down the page they have posted some profiles that you can load also settings you can change in Custom Settings. After having had the U2711H and the Asus PA246Q I know these settings I have now are pretty spot on so I'm not changing anything.
This Monitor really impresses me and at half the price of the other screens I think it's a real bargain. Just noticed the build date is August 2011 which is good to know it isn't old stock.
Thanks to hp9000 I tried out asking for a better price I'll let the picture talk for me
Awesome! That's why I come to these forums, people are always ready to help and share tips.
The prices I quoted are the full price including a 10% GST, makes me happy for a change that we Aussies aren't paying through the nose for some things.
Well I set the U2411H up and WOW what a nice screen, no dead or stuck pixels or black light bleed what ever that looks like, just a nice clear picture and the colour is pretty accurate.
I did a quick calibration using the Huey Pro in Standard Mode and there wasn't a great deal of difference but still better with the Huey Pro settings, the whites look better lost a slight yellowish tinge and the screen looks a tad darker.
Have you checked this site out http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm if you read down the page they have posted some profiles that you can load also settings you can change in Custom Settings. After having had the U2711H and the Asus PA246Q I know these settings I have now are pretty spot on so I'm not changing anything.
This Monitor really impresses me and at half the price of the other screens I think it's a real bargain. Just noticed the build date is August 2011 which is good to know it isn't old stock.
The Asus PA246Q was another monitor that I considered but it was too much money for me. So I tried the PA238Q, but I found it too small, maybe the pixel size, I don't know. Anyway, how do you think the U2412M compares to the PA246Q? I'm not interested in the obvious technical differences like wide gamut, 8 bit, etc. that have been discussed at length but a purely subjective everyday experience such as picture quality, color, even the buttons on the panel and the connectors at the back.
Thanks!
I think the two are pretty close even down to the Screen Coating but I think I would choose the Dell U2412 the picture looks sharper and the colour doesn't look so washed out looking as it did on the Asus in sRGB emulation mode.
I took a gamble and returned my Asus PA246Q and ordered the Dell but a little voice inside my head kept saying " a $340 monitor can't be as good as a $600 one" well I'm pleasantly surprised, it is and better.
I got caught up in reading too many reviews and the technical differences like wide gamut versus standard, 8bit v 6 bit ect. but after having had the $899 U2711 and the $600 Asus PA246Q I know this little monitor is as good as or better than any of these so called semi-pro monitors. My opinion you can't go wrong.
I took a gamble and returned my Asus PA246Q and ordered the Dell but a little voice inside my head kept saying " a $340 monitor can't be as good as a $600 one" well I'm pleasantly surprised, it is and better.
I got caught up in reading too many reviews and the technical differences like wide gamut versus standard, 8bit v 6 bit ect. but after having had the $899 U2711 and the $600 Asus PA246Q I know this little monitor is as good as or better than any of these so called semi-pro monitors. My opinion you can't go wrong.
I have been trying different settings with my U2412 I have settled on TFT Central's Standard setting and their profile, looks pretty good to me and close to my Huey Pros calibration,I have brightness set at 35.
Has anyone compared TFT Centrals settings to their own calibration settings?
Has anyone compared TFT Centrals settings to their own calibration settings?
After two exchanges my third panel is free of defects. All three of my panels had pretty severe IPS glow, so I guess this is just inevitable with this monitor.
I have a U2410 at work, and overall I think the U2410 is much better than the U2412M. The U2410 seems to have much less IPS glow.
I have a U2410 at work, and overall I think the U2410 is much better than the U2412M. The U2410 seems to have much less IPS glow.
Hello!
After a long process of sorting the wheat from the chafe and learning about what would be useful for me, I settled on this Dell u2412m as my first personal desktop LCD. I've had it for 3 weeks and am happy to say that unit I received has no problems- dead/stuck pixels or back light bleed, and the coating is only a minor annoyance when looking at very bright images, and then I don't always take notice of it. As I've been using a CRT until now I'm still getting used to it though (IPS glow)... but I'm satisfied using it for many types of games, looking at images and video, and reading.
Question: I've seen various recommendations for cleaning the screen: Dell suggests a lint free cloth moistened with only water, HP mentions isopropyl alcohol, and I've seen water mixed with a bit of vinegar suggested too. I smoke and want to be sure that the coating will stand up to any of these, since plain water might not do the job. If I understand correctly, soap is not recommended only because of the residue? Is the rubbing alcohol ideal?
After a long process of sorting the wheat from the chafe and learning about what would be useful for me, I settled on this Dell u2412m as my first personal desktop LCD. I've had it for 3 weeks and am happy to say that unit I received has no problems- dead/stuck pixels or back light bleed, and the coating is only a minor annoyance when looking at very bright images, and then I don't always take notice of it. As I've been using a CRT until now I'm still getting used to it though (IPS glow)... but I'm satisfied using it for many types of games, looking at images and video, and reading.
Question: I've seen various recommendations for cleaning the screen: Dell suggests a lint free cloth moistened with only water, HP mentions isopropyl alcohol, and I've seen water mixed with a bit of vinegar suggested too. I smoke and want to be sure that the coating will stand up to any of these, since plain water might not do the job. If I understand correctly, soap is not recommended only because of the residue? Is the rubbing alcohol ideal?
I use a product called "Clean DR." made by Digital Innovations.
It is alcohol and ammonia free, and contains only de-ionized water and polymers. I spray and wipe with a clean microfiber cloth.
I would avoid any products with ammonia and NEVER use Windex.
It is alcohol and ammonia free, and contains only de-ionized water and polymers. I spray and wipe with a clean microfiber cloth.
I would avoid any products with ammonia and NEVER use Windex.
My U2412 arrived yesterday and I haven't experienced any problems with it, I'm trying to find the best setting for the brightness and contrast. TFT Central have suggested lowering the brightness to 35 but I have mine set on 50 apparently this will lower the IPS Glow.
I have used TFT's Centrals Calibration settings and they look quiet good very similar to what I can achieve using my Huey pro Calibrator.
I'm posting you the link to the review TFT Cental did on the U2412 if you read down the page to Calibration results you will find a link to some profiles they have put up and the Standard profile works well on my monitor. It might save you having to buy a calibrator.
I would be interested in what you thought by lowering the brightness down say to about 35-50.
Thanks for the caution. Still not sure about isopropyl alcohol though... that is what HP recommends and I have read that many branded cleaning solutions contain primarily water and alcohol. I think I may need more than just water, knowing that I can't press hard on this screen.
I find that I am very sensitive to brightness and am currently using a setting of just 15 (!) and contrast of 80. I do like low ambient light when computing.
I've tried the settings suggested by both 10e and TFTCentral and have settled on R98 G89 B92, contrast 80, sharpness 50, for now. Either my eyes are especially perceptive to green or these panels differ as I found there to be a bit too much green in skin tones with the exact recommendations. Also I'm used to the warmer color temp of my old CRT. I do not own a calibrator and am quite the newb re adjusting monitors
How about this one? I've been using it on most of my monitors without any problem, I like it that it has a gel-like consistency so it doesn't run.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10902&cs_id=1090201&p_id=5176&seq=1&format=2
It's the same stuff that Monster sells for $80 or so at any big name electronics store.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10902&cs_id=1090201&p_id=5176&seq=1&format=2
It's the same stuff that Monster sells for $80 or so at any big name electronics store.
I have tried them in the past, and gotten decent results, but that was before I purchased my colorimeter(s) and calibration software.
Theoretically color temperature difference should be lower between panels on LED than CCFL, so they should be ok to use IMHO.
Good to hear. Is it possible the glow is just a slightly different color? My LCD2490WUXi2-BK has a blue glow when viewed from one side and a silvery glow from another. Maybe the U2410/PA246Q 24" panel is like this too?
Glad to hear you got a "good one" though (finally).
I just use distilled water and a microfibre cloth, and if there is an oily mark, then an LCD cleaner ammonia-free/alcohol free.
Alcohol shouldn't cause problems, but repeated use could theoretically have a slight solvent effect and leave streaks on the outside anti-glare polarizer with extended use. I know in the past if I've used isopropanol (99% alcohol) on plastic painted surfaces, the painted words/logos/letters have come off with a little extra rubbing, thus the solvent effect.
What will this U2412 version have better than M?
Use water and microfiber cloth for cleaning; get distilled water at the grocery if your tap water is hard, which can leave deposits. Water should do the job most of the time. Eventually you may get finger oil buildup or stains from sneezing or smoking that water won't get off. In that case use isopropyl alcohol diluted with distilled water (commonly found at the grocery store as rubbing alcohol), then go back to water cleaning.
BlackBishop
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Did anybody already managed to open this monitor or know how to remove front bezel?
I guess I found the source of bleed / clouding. It looks it is caused by a bit of curvature of case or too much (or uneven) pressure applied to LCD panel. If I apply slight bending force on the case bleed disappears and looks as I wish. But if I release it it returns to original state.
I guess I found the source of bleed / clouding. It looks it is caused by a bit of curvature of case or too much (or uneven) pressure applied to LCD panel. If I apply slight bending force on the case bleed disappears and looks as I wish. But if I release it it returns to original state.
This is for 10e and all the contributors on this thread. Thank you for providing information that convinced me to make the big jump to this IPS/LED monitor. I just got my U2412M and am thrilled with it. Even better than I expected! Don't get me wrong, I lack the monitor expertise that many people on this thread have so take my personal opinion with a big grain of salt. For perspective, I upgraded to the U2412M from a 7 year-old Dell E173FP (TN/CCFL) monitor with similar 3H AG coating.
My initial impressions:
1) Set-up was fast and easy (used the DVI-to-DVI cable). The monitor has a very clean and modern look.
2) I reviewed calibrations by TFT Central, Flat Panels HD, PC Monitors, 10e, and holzmann. I kind of took the middle ground by using Flat Panels HD's RGB settings (97,92,94) and TFT Central's Brightness/Contrast settings (35,75). I may fine-tune those settings in the future but as an initial setting, it looks good to me (again, I'm no expert on monitors, colors or graphics).
3) Great picture and colors, great OSD, mild IPS glow (I lowered brightness to 35 so I no longer notice it), no backlight bleed (tested solid black wallpaper), no dead pixels (did the pixel test contained elsewhere on this thread), no response time problem (fast-scrolled a long web page), and no ghosting that I can detect (watched a DVD).
Thrilled with this monitor. Its manufacture date is August 2011 and it's marked Rev. A02. The enclosed Dell Drivers and Documentation CD is labeled Rev. A01 July 2011.
I have one question though: I couldn't find the U2412M User Manual (or any other documentation) on the included CD or Dell website. The monitor was very easy to set up and configure but does anyone know where I can find the U2412M user manual and other documentation?
My initial impressions:
1) Set-up was fast and easy (used the DVI-to-DVI cable). The monitor has a very clean and modern look.
2) I reviewed calibrations by TFT Central, Flat Panels HD, PC Monitors, 10e, and holzmann. I kind of took the middle ground by using Flat Panels HD's RGB settings (97,92,94) and TFT Central's Brightness/Contrast settings (35,75). I may fine-tune those settings in the future but as an initial setting, it looks good to me (again, I'm no expert on monitors, colors or graphics).
3) Great picture and colors, great OSD, mild IPS glow (I lowered brightness to 35 so I no longer notice it), no backlight bleed (tested solid black wallpaper), no dead pixels (did the pixel test contained elsewhere on this thread), no response time problem (fast-scrolled a long web page), and no ghosting that I can detect (watched a DVD).
Thrilled with this monitor. Its manufacture date is August 2011 and it's marked Rev. A02. The enclosed Dell Drivers and Documentation CD is labeled Rev. A01 July 2011.
I have one question though: I couldn't find the U2412M User Manual (or any other documentation) on the included CD or Dell website. The monitor was very easy to set up and configure but does anyone know where I can find the U2412M user manual and other documentation?