LG E2770V - 27 inch with IPS-panel ?

Oled said:
@Walker. What are you doing in this thread? You obviously are not intrested in the display so post somewhere else. It is strange that you always end up posting in threads which you have no intrest in what so ever.
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I'm interested in what's going on in the non-TN LCD market. Why do you care if I post here or not? The "deep blacks" can easily be explained by either a better TN panel than the Samsung TN one next to it or LED dynamic contrast, nothing strange about it. The viewing angle photos on the other hand look nothing like either IPS or VA. But hey, if you think believing in something will make it true, go ahead, I don't have a problem with that ;)
 
For any owners of this screen....can u try and access the factory menu in the OSD and see if it tells us anything about the panel part being used?

Hold menu button while powering on, then press menu as normal to enter the menu a normal and ere should be a new section? Hopefully works on this screen :)
 
Walker said:
I'm interested in what's going on in the non-TN LCD market. Why do you care if I post here or not? The "deep blacks" can easily be explained by either a better TN panel than the Samsung TN one next to it or LED dynamic contrast, nothing strange about it. The viewing angle photos on the other hand look nothing like either IPS or VA. But hey, if you think believing in something will make it true, go ahead, I don't have a problem with that ;)
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He is true in a way though, if you come here to let us know that the panel used by this monitor is pretty crappy then why repeat it? It makes it come off as if you are working for samsung ^^
 
SXTC said:
He is true in a way though, if you come here to let us know that the panel used by this monitor is pretty crappy then why repeat it? It makes it come off as if you are working for samsung ^^
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Where did I say the panel was crappy? :confused: All I'm saying is that it looks like a TN and nothing like IPS or VA. Like I said, I don't really care personally either way as I'm not interested in buying it, but many people do seem to be. So why mislead them into thinking it is IPS when it very likely isn't or at best there may be panel lottery going on?
 
SXTC said:
Are you saying that you won't buy one because the panel looks cheap (looks that way if I read what you said)...
Isn't it a good thing? Because everything that doesn't look cheap is usualy too expensive for some reason, and therefor not necessarily worth more of your money (that would be like spending more money on brands when they aren't necessarily better). I would advice everyone here to wait for a descent review because right now we could keep this debate going and no one would realy have a confirmation wether they are right or wrong.
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Haha, what I mean when I say it looks cheap is "it looks bad." I hope that's enough clarification.

SXTC said:
It is also a fact that the female gender has always been discriminated as if they do not excist or like they are less worthy then a man. To me they are equal so even if science or the dictionary sais so, to me it is still Anchorlady.
I realise that it was obviously just an example that you pulled out to compare TN with IPS, but even still I find it the same type of judging that I do not agree with, looks can deceive, wait till it is properly tested and upon the result you can still point out wether you like it or not. No point doing it pre-maturily. But ofcourse it is your opinion and I respect that, but don't you agree it would be wise to just wait a little longer? Just saying ...
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First of all, lol. You really don't understand sarcasm, do you? :p Anchorman is a comedy, and the quote is funny because it's ridiculous. The guy saying it implies that because the word is "anchorman", a lady can't do the job, which is obviously ludicrous. It is, indeed, a scientific fact that it is "anchorman", but it doesn't mean a lady can't do the job. My analogy is that just because it says it's an IPS in the specs doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Second of all, I never buy a monitor until I have sufficient data about it to justify the purchase, because I hate spending money, and I'm a horrible cheapskate. I already said I'm not going to buy it because it looks like a bad monitor for me. I don't care if it's TN or IPS, it just doesn't meet my requirements. This is the point where you call me "rich or stupid" ;)
 
Hurp durp speculation.

So we still don't know the panel model or have a word from LG?


Alright. I'll let you all get back to arguing about nonsense.
 
garbagemule said:
I don't care if it's TN or IPS, it just doesn't meet my requirements. This is the point where you call me "rich or stupid" ;)
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I would wait to decide this until there's more than one review, and maybe more than shitty pictures.


;)
 
If you slag off a monitor just because you dont like a photograph from an extreme angle there must be something wrong with you considering the competition for 27 inch monitors.
 
well i called LG wednesday and talked to someone in the display dept. they were not able to tell me what type of panel it is as the data sheet says IPS and the details page says TBD. they said they would make some calls and find out and get back to me. yesterday ( a day later) they called me back and confirmed that the E2770V-BF has a IPS panel and not a TN panel. maybe its a low cost IPS or EIPS that i dont know but they said it was IPS. i have been looking for a good monitor for over a year to replace my 10 year old Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 22" CRT monitor. (yes i said CRT).:rolleyes:. i play lots of games and i hope the lcd technology is getting to the point where they are better than my old crappy CRT. i have bought the rest of the family LCD's over the years. and all of them have been crap. they were all around or under $400. i have yet to see a LCD in a computer store that even comes close to my old crt in terms of speed/blur and ghosting. maybe i have sensitive eyes. but when playin games with fast motion all the lcd's i have seen are crap. im sure you can spend $2000. and get a good one for gaming. but my budget is around $400-$500 and iam just waiting for something to come out that you can play games on in that price range that is in the same performance ball park as my 10 year old CRT. Anyone who has this new monitor can you tell me if its good for gaming. no lag and no motion blur? thanks Guys:D
 
Good news. Thanks thead. :eek:

For those that have it how is the screen uniformity when looking at a black screen?

thead I've got it, but have not had much time to check that out yet. For some reason and I guess it's the TRUmotion stuff my 2D stuff has gotten a bit faster which I thought was cool.
 
gman said:
Good news. Thanks thead. :eek:

For those that have it how is the screen uniformity when looking at a black screen?

thead I've got it, but have not had much time to check that out yet. For some reason and I guess it's the TRUmotion stuff my 2D stuff has gotten a bit faster which I thought was cool.
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Since you have it, you know, you could end these guys' argument once and for all by looking to see if there's an inverted viewing angle from the bottom. Simply because of the way IPS works, it's impossible for it to have a color inversion on one side like that.

Color Inversion: TN
No Color Inversion: IPS

Of course, that doesn't rule out the possibility of a panel lottery. :)
 
Walker said:
Where did I say the panel was crappy? :confused: All I'm saying is that it looks like a TN and nothing like IPS or VA. Like I said, I don't really care personally either way as I'm not interested in buying it, but many people do seem to be. So why mislead them into thinking it is IPS when it very likely isn't or at best there may be panel lottery going on?
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How is saying it's TN, not saying that the quality is bad?
Because everyone knows TN is the most responsive, but the worst for graphics ;)
And I'm certain you knew that too

As for everyone else, must I keep repeating myself that this LG is e-IPS (enhanced IPS) wich is basicly a low grade IPS and the reason why the viewing angles are less accurate.
No point fighting over wether it is TN or IPS since there's more proof to state that it is indeed IPS, only a lesser version wich is still better then TN.
 
Yes! Let's have some more posts from people who have experienced it first-hand. Besides the colour inversion from viewing angles, I'm very interested to see more pictures of red/green/blue solids vs. an orange solid, because Ocnewb's pictures (shitty camera or not) denote TN.

So if it is indeed IPS, have we really come to the point where IPS can no longer be expected to be better than TN? :(
 
SXTC said:
How is saying it's TN, not saying that the quality is bad?
Because everyone knows TN is the most responsive, but the worst for graphics ;)
And I'm certain you knew that too

As for everyone else, must I keep repeating myself that this LG is e-IPS (enhanced IPS) wich is basicly a low grade IPS and the reason why the viewing angles are less accurate.
No point fighting over wether it is TN or IPS since there's more proof to state that it is indeed IPS, only a lesser version wich is still better then TN.
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Well that's subjective. I don't like TN panels but many people don't mind them and I never said it was a bad quality TN. The monitor in pictures is definitely a TN so either there is a panel lottery going on or there are indeed two different models named similarily and the guy in that thread got the TN one. Lesser/cheaper versions of IPS have been on the market for some time now, none of them show color inversion at angles that only TN panels do.

gman said:
Good news. Thanks thead. :eek:

For those that have it how is the screen uniformity when looking at a black screen?

thead I've got it, but have not had much time to check that out yet. For some reason and I guess it's the TRUmotion stuff my 2D stuff has gotten a bit faster which I thought was cool.
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Could you display this http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php#angleGrey in your browser in full screen and take a few photos? One from the front, one slightly from above and one from below.
 
thead said:
well i called LG wednesday and talked to someone in the display dept. they were not able to tell me what type of panel it is as the data sheet says IPS and the details page says TBD. they said they would make some calls and find out and get back to me. yesterday ( a day later) they called me back and confirmed that the E2770V-BF has a IPS panel and not a TN panel. maybe its a low cost IPS or EIPS that i dont know but they said it was IPS. i have been looking for a good monitor for over a year to replace my 10 year old Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 22" CRT monitor. (yes i said CRT).:rolleyes:. i play lots of games and i hope the lcd technology is getting to the point where they are better than my old crappy CRT. i have bought the rest of the family LCD's over the years. and all of them have been crap. they were all around or under $400. i have yet to see a LCD in a computer store that even comes close to my old crt in terms of speed/blur and ghosting. maybe i have sensitive eyes. but when playin games with fast motion all the lcd's i have seen are crap. im sure you can spend $2000. and get a good one for gaming. but my budget is around $400-$500 and iam just waiting for something to come out that you can play games on in that price range that is in the same performance ball park as my 10 year old CRT. Anyone who has this new monitor can you tell me if its good for gaming. no lag and no motion blur? thanks Guys:D
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Good. Everything is as it should be then.

considering to buy this monitor. Just want some more info on input lag and response.
 
found a small review on another forum, it's not much but they show some examples of viewing angles and color calibration.
It seems most people are suprised that it's quite good (people that own it allready).
http://www.overclock.net/monitors-displays/995181-lg-e2770v-bf-review-thread-pics.html

From what I've read it's very worth the buy. Although I'm still a little unsure to get a 1920x1080p monitor over a 2560×1440p monitor since in the past (CRT) I always noticed that using a higher res made textures look better. But then again, maybe the text will be less readable with this higher resolution or maybe they are more expensive or less responsive so maybe I should be satisfied with the current LG monitor.
 
What the fuck has happened to this forum?

It is like visit a kindergarten. If you want to fight please go away!
 
avec said:
What the fuck has happened to this forum?

It is like visit a kindergarten. If you want to fight please go away!
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I agree, people should keep in mind that most of us have good intentions here and we don't go reading all the replies since we simply do not have the time (working atm so I have to do it in between).
I posted this link in the hopes of getting people updated so why get mad if someone allready posted it and why the insults...
We are here to teach or to learn (but to fight?....) so please try not to get irritated because you are going to see a lot of people ask the same questions.
That is how it goes on forums (it's normal because you cannot expect people to scroll the entire board archive to find posts about the same thing..).. If you cannot deal with that and you feel you have to insult, it would be better if you took some time off to vent or leave the forum out of respect for those that do not wish to be part of this indescent behavior (this is starting to become a "trow sticks and stones at the oposition" habbit :/ ).

garbagemule said:
Yes! Let's have some more posts from people who have experienced it first-hand. Besides the colour inversion from viewing angles, I'm very interested to see more pictures of red/green/blue solids vs. an orange solid, because Ocnewb's pictures (shitty camera or not) denote TN.

So if it is indeed IPS, have we really come to the point where IPS can no longer be expected to be better than TN? :(
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When looking at the shared experience of a review that was posted on the link above, it is clearly noticeable on the pictures that this LG's inferior IPS is still superior to TN.
I must say I'm suprised aswell judging from the high rated monitors allready in my possession (TN unfortunately), You cannot compare this one with a TN since the colors look a lot better on this e-IPS.
 
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I think it's a UH-ISP myself. Does anyone know if the viewing angle would be different on the lower viewing angle? I mean for it to be a 178/168 then how do we know it's an actual eIPS. Anyway, I"m out of town until Sunday. I may try and take some pix when I get back.
 
gman said:
I think it's a UH-ISP myself. Does anyone know if the viewing angle would be different on the lower viewing angle? I mean for it to be a 178/168 then how do we know it's an actual eIPS. Anyway, I"m out of town until Sunday. I may try and take some pix when I get back.
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Well what does it look like when you view it from below? What does the lagom viewing angle test look like? There are pics at the bottom of the page that show exactly what a TN looks like. It can't be that hard to differentiate TN from any type of IPS.
 
Could you get over it. We allready know that you think it is a TN.


According to specs it is IPS so get over it.
 
SXTC said:
When looking at the shared experience of a review that was posted on the link above, it is clearly noticeable on the pictures that this LG's inferior IPS is still superior to TN.
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No, it shows all the characteristics of a typical TN, which I already explained.
 
It doesnt at all but. Please get lost cause you ruin the topic.

It is IPS according to LG and users are really impressed by the image quality.
 
Forget the specs for a moment. If you're looking for an IPS panel, then why would you consider something that clearly performs like a TN panel just because the specs say it's IPS? That doesn't make any sense.
 
... because some people are still stuck in the era when specs told the entire story (not exactly sure if that era ever happened, but what the hell). The same people will probably eat a dog poo if they're served it at a restaurant that claims it's a juicy steak, because "it says on the menu..."

What does it matter if it's IPS or TN if the monitor is showing characteristics of a crappy TN? You can argue all you want that it's IPS, but it's still seemingly worse quality than the average IPS, so why would you get it if you want a monitor with characteristics of a good-quality IPS?

Is it just a matter of "I said it was IPS, and it was, so admit defeat and let me bask in the glory of correctness"? In that case, bask all you want, and enjoy your IPS-monitor with characteristics of a TN-panel, and tell me the bad viewing angles are just an optical illusion, and they "don't really bother you".
 
Toasty. It is actually funny to read your comments. I believe in users who actually have seen how it performs. And they say it is much better than a TN panel.
 
garbagemule said:
So if it is indeed IPS, have we really come to the point where IPS can no longer be expected to be better than TN? :(
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No. Only NCX believes that, because he can't abide the thought that there are monitors better than the two or three TNs he is obsessed with.

The only advantage TN has over IPS is enough speed to do 120Hz.
 
ToastyX said:
No, it shows all the characteristics of a typical TN, which I already explained.
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I have owned many TN's but this one is diffirent. Definately something better then the standard TN, even if it still has it's limitations.

garbagemule said:
... because some people are still stuck in the era when specs told the entire story (not exactly sure if that era ever happened, but what the hell). The same people will probably eat a dog poo if they're served it at a restaurant that claims it's a juicy steak, because "it says on the menu..."

What does it matter if it's IPS or TN if the monitor is showing characteristics of a crappy TN? You can argue all you want that it's IPS, but it's still seemingly worse quality than the average IPS, so why would you get it if you want a monitor with characteristics of a good-quality IPS?

Is it just a matter of "I said it was IPS, and it was, so admit defeat and let me bask in the glory of correctness"? In that case, bask all you want, and enjoy your IPS-monitor with characteristics of a TN-panel, and tell me the bad viewing angles are just an optical illusion, and they "don't really bother you".
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Whatever it is, I'm not realy bothered as long as it performs better then all the other TN panels in my house. For this amount of money (LG E2770V-BF) I certainly won't complain if the colors look good enough and the response time acceptable :)
 
So people are still saying it has "all the characteristics of a TN" based solely on one guy's bad pictures that he says are wrong?


Wow, this forum gets pretty bad sometimes.
 
garbagemule said:
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Is it just a matter of "I said it was IPS, and it was, so admit defeat and let me bask in the glory of correctness"? In that case, bask all you want, and enjoy your IPS-monitor with characteristics of a TN-panel, and tell me the bad viewing angles are just an optical illusion, and they "don't really bother you".
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viewing angles don't. I sit in front of my monitor.
What bothers me is vertical gamma shift, and I still don't know if this monitor has it (I can't rely on Ocnewb's pics)
 
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