I just got my Dell 2410. I believe these are the same monitor. I really couldn't tell them apart without the bezel. The Dell, however, has no dead pixels and will be staying here.
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ASUS PA246Q: 24-inch, 1920x1200, IPS
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I just got my Dell 2410. I believe these are the same monitor. I really couldn't tell them apart without the bezel. The Dell, however, has no dead pixels and will be staying here.
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All the opinions here are subjective, that is one persons POV. I prefer to purchase my monitors based on my own likes and dislikes. Some people don't mind the red stripe on the Asus' bezel other get highly offended because it affects their aesthetic tastes. Others criticize the unit, without even seeing it, based on some experts opinion. So purchase the unit, from a store which has a good return policy, view it yourself, live with it and then decide. After all it is your money.
LOL, I am really having trouble making up my mind even after seeing 2 different models in person! I haven't gone to the dell Kiosk recently, but I think I will try that. Does anyone know where you can see HP ips monitors?
Oh gosh Im guessing your own desk is a good place after you buy it. No one in the entire city of Atlanta, a metro of 6 million people and over 400,000 places of business has NONE. NONE TO LOOK AT sigh ... dont hold your breath if you are in small town America or Canada.
I've also been looking at LCDs when I walk in stores, like businesses that sell other stuff or offer other services, just to see if they are using high end IPS LCDs and then ask them if I can look at the monitor.
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If specs from that Chinese page are correct, -a version appears to have W-LED backlighting.
Besides this, so far nobody mentioned new LCD monitors that ASUS announced at CeBIT this year: http://gagadget.com/desktops/2011-03-03-cebit_2011_novaya_lineika_monitorov_asus_dlya_doma_i_raboty
The most interesting will be ASUS PA238Q, which will probably be a direct competitor to DELL U2311H.
Curious that they chose a stupid thick bottom bezel for the PA246Q, but not for the PA238Q.
I thought ML239H looks interesting for thin design, led, and ips. But when will we see this????? Not easily available yet. But because of it's appearance and price (saw it for $238-$252 at some lesser known internet sites), maybe we will see this in a regular store.
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Not only that, control buttons are on the right side of monitor (like on DELL monitors), but since ASUS will have LED backlighting, it's performance will probably be more like NEC EA232WMi in direct comparison.
ML series of monitors with IPS/MVA panels will probably be available really soon, since they have already been added to the ASUS' website, but no mention about PA238Q yet.
i know, that is so frustrating. chicago here and same BS.
My video card only has dual dvi-d. The ML229H and ML239H only have hdmi and vga. I don't have any experience connecting through an adapter. It comes with an hdmi to dvi cable. Anyone know whether this is a good way to connect it to an evga 285 card?
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I know this thread is about the PA246Q but the MVA panel by Asus is kind of sexy, well not the stand. Buts skinny and low on power usage, and I wonder if the MVA panel is good?
Are there any official reviews on this screen yet because Im digging the 250 dollar price. But on the low side it has no display port connectivity which is a slight let down but not by much. Now on the ultra low side its a potential nice color rich VA panel but stuck at a cancerous 1080p resolution and that blows. (Not for everyone of course, some folks dig it
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Are there any official reviews on this screen yet because Im digging the 250 dollar price. But on the low side it has no display port connectivity which is a slight let down but not by much. Now on the ultra low side its a potential nice color rich VA panel but stuck at a cancerous 1080p resolution and that blows. (Not for everyone of course, some folks dig it
)Just received my Asus at my door today from Amazon. 483 +3.99 next day air shipping. I have Amazon Prime.
Anyways I got the LCD and installed it. Checked for dead pixels, blasted, found one dead pixel and I was scanning with a magnifying glass literally. Its so tiny that there is no human way to see it without zooming in on it and its dead black so it just blends in with everything.
I am NOT going to return this LCD for a pixel I cant even notice and do mean cant notice.
The colors are fantastic so far. I calibrated it with my own 2 eyes as I do not have a spectrophotometer selected yet (i'm still studying the tech anyways and how it works).
I am not going to post a review of the LCD until I have used it at least one week solid.
As for now its on a DVI cable with is like cancer for this display. I cant wait to get my MiniDP to DP cable in from Mono-price either tomorrow or the next day.
Once I get it on DP and run it for a few days I will post all my very amateur level thoughts for anyone that is interested.
Anyways I got the LCD and installed it. Checked for dead pixels, blasted, found one dead pixel and I was scanning with a magnifying glass literally. Its so tiny that there is no human way to see it without zooming in on it and its dead black so it just blends in with everything.
I am NOT going to return this LCD for a pixel I cant even notice and do mean cant notice.
The colors are fantastic so far. I calibrated it with my own 2 eyes as I do not have a spectrophotometer selected yet (i'm still studying the tech anyways and how it works).
I am not going to post a review of the LCD until I have used it at least one week solid.
As for now its on a DVI cable with is like cancer for this display. I cant wait to get my MiniDP to DP cable in from Mono-price either tomorrow or the next day.
Once I get it on DP and run it for a few days I will post all my very amateur level thoughts for anyone that is interested.
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tangoseal, sorry about the dead pixel. FWIW, I can't tell the difference between my DVI and DP connected displays, and I've got three of these side by side.
How you liking them so far? Eyefinity?
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Pretty well. My personal stance is that the AG coating is better than the U2410's (I have 3 of those as well) and I think the color is a smidge better (no testing just my opinion). I've been using Eyefinity on 3 24" 16:10 monitors for a long time, and I think is the sweet spot to be honest. I've had the chance to do it on 30's and frankly it's almost too much for me on a regular sized desk, of course more distance might change that. Plus you need one hell of a rig to push 7680x1600.
I mainly use the monitor for Word and PDF reading/editing, so sharpness, and ease to eyes are top priorities to me. I once ordered a HP LP2475W, but had to return it due to its strong AG coating which made the text so sparkle that it hurt my eyes physically.
I use the monitor vertically, and much prefer the 16:10 (or even better 4:3) dimension, which is getting much harder to find.
To Willow and other PA246Q owners -- based on your experience, how good is the PA246Q for reading text? Especially compared to your current LG? Also how is your experience with the HP zr24w?
I do not care about TN or IPS or anything, as long as the text is sharp when looking straightly. My current monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 2494 and I really like the sharpness of text on it. But it is 16:9 and can not switch to vertical, that's why I am replacing it. Any recommendation is welcome!
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I use the monitor vertically, and much prefer the 16:10 (or even better 4:3) dimension, which is getting much harder to find.
To Willow and other PA246Q owners -- based on your experience, how good is the PA246Q for reading text? Especially compared to your current LG? Also how is your experience with the HP zr24w?
I do not care about TN or IPS or anything, as long as the text is sharp when looking straightly. My current monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 2494 and I really like the sharpness of text on it. But it is 16:9 and can not switch to vertical, that's why I am replacing it. Any recommendation is welcome!
Calm
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I mainly use the monitor for Word and PDF reading/editing, so sharpness, and ease to eyes are top priorities to me. I once ordered a HP LP2475W, but had to return it due to its strong AG coating which made the text so sparkle that it hurt my eyes physically.
I use the monitor vertically, and much prefer the 16:10 (or even better 4:3) dimension, which is getting much harder to find.
To Willow and other PA246Q owners -- based on your experience, how good is the PA246Q for reading text? Especially compared to your current LG? Also how is your experience with the HP zr24w?
I do not care about TN or IPS or anything, as long as the text is sharp when looking straightly. My current monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 2494 and I really like the sharpness of text on it. But it is 16:9 and can not switch to vertical, that's why I am replacing it. Any recommendation is welcome!
Calm
I would say text is acceptable, but not the monitor's strongest suit (which is color accuracy and viewing angles). The AG coat is still a bit higher than desirable, which hurts it, although from what I read its not as bad as its sister u2410. The contrast ratio is not great either and gives everything, including text, a slight washed out effect. You can minimize the washed out effect by turning down gamma at the expense of loss of some detail. I have or have owned both NEC 2490 models and a S-PVA Samsung and all beat this model on text/sharpness rather easily.
I have had this panel for about 4 -5 days now.
Pros:
-Extremely Bright - Hey that is what brightness setting is for right?
-OMG Colorfully rich out of the box - But def needs a little tweaking.
-Crispy text - well there are better but hey perfection for most H members would be a synaptic link to their PC.*************** Edit below!
-I notice no input lag and yes that is on FPS. Okay im not 18 years old with razor like senses anymore. Might not be for you younglings.
-AG coating works. See cons.
-Ghosting, cant find any. No im not using some DSLR while wearing a labcoat.
-Black levels are acceptable for most anything. See cons.
-Side bezels are personnaly acceptable for use in wide screen eyefinity - testing with other older LCDs.
Neutral:
-Energy usage- It seems average power consumption is about 75-95watts on my UPS. That was tested using my laptop and HDMI as to prevent any other device drawing power from the UPS.
Cons:
-AG coating is a little thicker or grainy that it should be. Definitely aimed at fluorescent filled corporate cube farms. Not as bad as my friends 2410 I compared it too the other day.
-Black levels - not great for Bluray stuff. Games are acceptable, however shadows tend too wash out a little when in intense dark areas i.e. deadspace2. Still more than acceptable for most people I would assume.
-Bottom Bezel - Absolutely retarded thick if you wanted to go portrait. Of course I dont want to go portrait with a 16:10 LCD. They are wide enough already but tall enough to work in wide screen. 16:9 sucks in wide screen to me so I would have to go portrait if that were the case. Asus should shoot themselves in the sack for making it so thick.
-Price might be a little higher than acceptable for most people. But with a plethora of inputs and true 10bit per pixel performance, display port, USB ports, and card reader it definitely can compete with Dell U2410.
-And lastly no auto-rotation when placing the display in Portrait. That kind of sucks. But all the pros easily outweigh this as a major con.
So I like it thus far. Im not a professional reviewer. I just gave some of my thoughts as anyone in my shoes would, a consumer.
***Edit***: A member asked about text performance. I tested my display on both my nVidia and AMD GPUs. The text is a little crisper on the AMD GPU than the nVidia. Dont ask me why. I just notice that when doing my little amateur comparison. So I guess your experience might differ a little based on your GPU. Just guessing with no scientific evidence to back that claim.
Pros:
-Extremely Bright - Hey that is what brightness setting is for right?
-OMG Colorfully rich out of the box - But def needs a little tweaking.
-Crispy text - well there are better but hey perfection for most H members would be a synaptic link to their PC.*************** Edit below!
-I notice no input lag and yes that is on FPS. Okay im not 18 years old with razor like senses anymore. Might not be for you younglings.
-AG coating works. See cons.
-Ghosting, cant find any. No im not using some DSLR while wearing a labcoat.
-Black levels are acceptable for most anything. See cons.
-Side bezels are personnaly acceptable for use in wide screen eyefinity - testing with other older LCDs.
Neutral:
-Energy usage- It seems average power consumption is about 75-95watts on my UPS. That was tested using my laptop and HDMI as to prevent any other device drawing power from the UPS.
Cons:
-AG coating is a little thicker or grainy that it should be. Definitely aimed at fluorescent filled corporate cube farms. Not as bad as my friends 2410 I compared it too the other day.
-Black levels - not great for Bluray stuff. Games are acceptable, however shadows tend too wash out a little when in intense dark areas i.e. deadspace2. Still more than acceptable for most people I would assume.
-Bottom Bezel - Absolutely retarded thick if you wanted to go portrait. Of course I dont want to go portrait with a 16:10 LCD. They are wide enough already but tall enough to work in wide screen. 16:9 sucks in wide screen to me so I would have to go portrait if that were the case. Asus should shoot themselves in the sack for making it so thick.
-Price might be a little higher than acceptable for most people. But with a plethora of inputs and true 10bit per pixel performance, display port, USB ports, and card reader it definitely can compete with Dell U2410.
-And lastly no auto-rotation when placing the display in Portrait. That kind of sucks. But all the pros easily outweigh this as a major con.
So I like it thus far. Im not a professional reviewer. I just gave some of my thoughts as anyone in my shoes would, a consumer.
***Edit***: A member asked about text performance. I tested my display on both my nVidia and AMD GPUs. The text is a little crisper on the AMD GPU than the nVidia. Dont ask me why. I just notice that when doing my little amateur comparison. So I guess your experience might differ a little based on your GPU. Just guessing with no scientific evidence to back that claim.
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Thanks!
Next im going to buy a ZR24W tomorrow or whatever from Amazon and compare the two displays. Which ever I like I will send the other back and order 2 more of the one I like for a tri-eyefinity setup. One H member just PM'd that he likes the ZR24W better than the Asus for his own particular reasons. He owns both.
Any of you out there that own a ZR24W and this display can you please share a comparison? I am just not quite sure the Asus is worth the extra price given some of the negatives it has i.e. thick bottom bezel, slightly heavy AG coat, and no auto rotate when shifting to portrait mode.
Thanks in advance.
i am waiting for feedback on this
PRAD.de Review is up (Subscription based). Input lag=16.7ms, contrast is still medicore at around 700:1, but due to the lighter AG coating the Asus is the best choice compared to the ZR24W/U2410.
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Does the review mention AG, or are you just spreading a rumour which you have no good evidence of?
I'm just going by what the people with both U2410's and PA246q's in here have said. Haven't read the whole review yet, but I'll see if I can find anything.
Unless google translated it wrong PRAD says the Dell and Asus use the same panel, not sure about the AG coating yet.
I didn't find anything about it in their review, usually they don't but mention it, but I did ask on the forums.
Unless google translated it wrong PRAD says the Dell and Asus use the same panel, not sure about the AG coating yet.
I didn't find anything about it in their review, usually they don't but mention it, but I did ask on the forums.
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Yes, this is what I am concerned about. As AG seems to be important for some people, I would ask people who have noticed a difference in AG to be very well advised if they decide to report about it.
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average or highest?
I remember asking a question about the ZR24W vs this ... and all I got was 40-60ms avg input lag etc... then I went and bought this anyways with faith that it might be a 2410 beater.
I didnt notice any input lag at all, and look, its only 16ms lol ...
Guess I feel I made a good choice. Anyways the PA246Q is only $60 more than ZR on Amazon, so you get wide gamut, and less color banding, better color reproduction possibly, for not much more.
Maybe the price will come down more on these Asus panels. If I could just get my chopsaw out and cut this bottom bezel off lol... but I really never cared for portrait mode on a 16:10. 16:9 sure.
The foreign site measured 40ms+, but they weren't using the SMT tool like PRAD does which gives much more accurate results.
I didn't get a response on the PRAD forums from the reviewer himself, but from Red Sea Jogger who has not seen the U2410 but has seen the Fujitsu 27" IPS panel
I didn't get a response on the PRAD forums from the reviewer himself, but from Red Sea Jogger who has not seen the U2410 but has seen the Fujitsu 27" IPS panel
Red Sea Jogger said:
SourceFlat Panels HD said:
According to PRAD's review, input lag is not just 16.7ms, on top of that you have to add at least half of the total panel response time which they measured to be 8.6ms, so the actual input lag is 16.7+4.3=21ms. Also, I didn't completely read their new methodology for measuring input lag, but I'm guessing that these new numbers can't really be compared to the numbers obtained in the past (and by other review sites) by using the traditional CRT+LCD combo method.
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The new method uses an oscilloscope with photo sensors for response time and input lag measurement. Regarding the input lag the "control signal" is used as basis point.
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