Polar Shifts Causing Global Superstorms

Even though this article is rather crappy and written rather sensationally, it astounds me how many people even in these forums are completely ready to write off any sound science that disagrees with their own preconceptions of how the world works.

Magnet shift DO happen people. Climate change does (and is) happening. You don't have to be liberal to believe in SCIENCE.

There is no believe or not believe science. Only accptance and denial, and in the case of a polar shift, neither is likely to change the outcome.
 
IMO most who do not believe in climate change do so for their own selfish reasons. For these people to acknowledge that we are alterning our environment would require them to do something or make a change. It is far easier to do nothing and pretend it doesn't exist. I just hope these people learn to swim.

ditto
 
That said, it's like 65-70 degrees here in San Francisco, at 7am... me likey! Just hope it doesn't cause a great migration of frozen people this state is already too crowded as it is.

As long as Boxer and the other Dem's are running it I don't think you've much to worry about. With the rate of businesses and residents leaving the state you'll have lots of empty space.
 
stocking up on ammo and food for end times!

Perhaps I should set up an "End of the World Survival Store", I'm sure there are enough crazy people out there that you could turn over a nice profit selling what amounts to nothing more than conventional camping equipment. :p

Here in Utah, we haven't really seen any crazy storms, we had a small Blizzard, but nothing too bad. Of course, it has been pretty damn cold here, I had to go start my car in the morning a few days ago, and it was something around -10F. Today, however, it's 45F and sunny. Gotta love Utah weather. :rolleyes:
 
Yet in England the weather is still boring as ever :(

Dont worry, once a big storm washes florida away, no more gulf stream, and you will freeze your ass off.
 
IMO most who do not believe in climate change do so for their own selfish reasons. For these people to acknowledge that we are alterning our environment would require them to do something or make a change. It is far easier to do nothing and pretend it doesn't exist. I just hope these people learn to swim.
When the high profile climate evangelicals (Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, etc.) stop flying private jets, driving fleets of SUVs, allow wind turbines to be built in view of their posh vacation homes and adopt all the regulations and sacrifices they demand of the uneducated masses... that's when I'll believe in man-caused climate change.
 
Climate change does (and is) happening.

you won't find a single person who will deny this. the climate has constantly changed since it existed. what people will deny - because there is no evidence - is that modern humanity is significantly affecting the change.
 
That article made a bunch of great claims and didn't have any great evidence behind any of them. It barely cited any sources, and when I followed a few of those "sources", they were complete crap.

Sorry but the author is a nutjob. In science, extraordinary claims REQUIRE extraordinary evidence, its not optional. I can't believe anything I just wasted my time to read.

Yeah, It's a bit of a scare job. You wouldn't see any article putting together some random points like that from a professional source. Concluding magnetic polar shift is coming any day from that is a stretch.

Does it occur? Sure, like the "article" says. Will it happen eventually? Sure. When will that be? No one really knows...
 
I wish they'd use the word "superstorm" more often in that article... it's just not used enough.

/sarcasm
 
I believe in climate change, just not global warming.

I always refer them to the previous ice ages.... I mean really the earth had to have warmed up and cooled down without humans before..
 
Global warming huirrrrrr.....

I am still waiting for a definite causational link in between human activity and global warming.
 
The more of these things I read, and the more climate changes I see around the world, the more I'm starting to believe in the possible reality of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow"... or biblical revelations predictions.

Lets see... we have the earth quacks in Hatti, the floods in Australia, the turmoil in the middle east (aka "the holy land") and super powers (US/ASIA) coming to tensions. End of days? we are there. I should invest in some Facebook and/or YouTube stock. Those are the reporters of the future.
 
When the high profile climate evangelicals (Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, etc.) stop flying private jets, driving fleets of SUVs, allow wind turbines to be built in view of their posh vacation homes and adopt all the regulations and sacrifices they demand of the uneducated masses... that's when I'll believe in man-caused climate change.

So when a few people stop acting like assholes you'll start believing in science? Hmmmmmm
 
I've never like the title "Global Warming". It would be better described as "Climate Influence" or something. Its not just the can of aerisal spray, and auto's emissions... It's the destruction of tropical rain forests, elimination of wetlands, building levy systems to control natural river floods, eliminating earth's natural absorption of the water by blocking the flood planes or replacing grass lands with pavement (roads, parking lots, buildings) and storm sewer run off systems. Most citys are all roads, buildings, and parking lots with huge storm drain systems to remove rain water quickly and directly to the rivers systems (also causing worse floods down stream of that city). All that pavement also leads to a "radiate heat effect" during dry times too. Walk barefoot on grass and then onto pavement and you'll notice a difference anytime of year. This extra thermal-radiant warming adds to the so called "global warming". There is sooooo many more dynamics to mans influence on the climate that most people don't consider. ... Mother Nature's natural coarse of events has always happens over long lengths of time. Man's influence to her delicate cycle is more drastic then known. We will evolve with it, but it should be expected to see some drastic changes to life as we know it.
 
Yes, its a cycle but we are due for polar shift. Happens about 24,000 years. If we didn't have craziness our planet would be the moon (dead). Everything always balances out (ying/yang) sort a speak. Its end of the world paranoia. Where I live seems to be normal weather.
 
It's still the fault of SUV's. They're so big and metallic that they're affecting the magnetic......ah I can't do it with a straight face. I'd make a terrible liberal.

I am a liberal but I also think that "global warming" is a crock of shit. Call it "climate change" and I'm cool with that because, duh, we're changing the climate. However, in my 31 years, I can't remember a winter this fucking cold, so this definitely isn't any sort of warming.

What we're seeing here, though, with the shift of the Earth's magnetic poles is the Earth is getting ready to flip the... uh... polarity :)D) of the poles, as it has done several times before.
 
"Another federal agency, NOAA, issued a report caused a flurry of panic when they predicted that mammoth superstorms in the future could wipe out most of California. The NOAA scientists said it's a plausible scenario and would be driven by an "atmospheric river" moving water at the same rate as 50 Mississippi rivers flowing into the Gulf of Mexico."
I hope you can swim.

I got a boat, plus this will be great to remove most of these people, and for those who bitch about all the illegals, wash them back down to Mexico :D
 
blasphemy !! according to Sarah Palin this is the second coming of baby Jesus :(

even that sounds more believable than the global warming hoax and the communist "tax invisible gas to save mother earth" solution proposed to fix it
 
Over here in Massachusetts, we are having one of our worst winters ever! We already beat the record we set in snow amounts for a whole winter. That was about a decade old record. We also beat our 15 year record about a month ago. We are freezing our tails off! :eek:
 
When the high profile climate evangelicals (Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, etc.) stop flying private jets, driving fleets of SUVs, allow wind turbines to be built in view of their posh vacation homes and adopt all the regulations and sacrifices they demand of the uneducated masses... that's when I'll believe in man-caused climate change.

While i see the point your trying to make(because it used to be my viewpoint as well), you listed politicians...politicians are not scientists. Politicians have their own personal agenda as you implied, however that doesnt change the fact that most scientists are correct and man made climate change is 100% reality.
 
It's still the fault of SUV's. They're so big and metallic that they're affecting the magnetic......ah I can't do it with a straight face. I'd make a terrible liberal.

I think you are on the right track for Al Gore's next "WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE, AND ITS ALL YOUR FAULT" book/movie deal.

You see the metals (all metals, anything with metal identified somehow on the periodic table, whether that is alkali, alkaline, lanthanides, actinides elements, transition elements, poor metals, or metalloids) that we extracted from the ground to make all our industries, cars, and computers served the important purpose of stabilizing the Earths Electromagnetic field. When we began mining metals in ancient times (copper, then 'precious' metals, then iron, and etc.) we contributed slightly to destabilizing the earths magnetic field, and what this caused was a slight wobble in the field from year to year. After the world began industrializing the level of mining for minerals increased exponentially, along with the variety of metals that were mined. As we have been depleting the earth of all the Electromagnetic stabilizing metals located in the earth's crust, we saw that the earths magnetic pole began moving at a 90 degree angle outside of its typical wobble pattern. The direction of this unusual shift in magnetic field is also important as it is clearly moving toward Asia (Russia). As we all know the level of mining in the America's is significantly higher than anywhere else in the world due to evil capitalism and all its demands for more metals so we can make SUV's and Airplanes, and other things (which by the way emit carbon dioxide which is killing us through Global Warming --err I mean Climate Change too). So you see the poll has been destabalized from all the mining over here which lowered the total pull of magnetic field over in the Americas, so the Magnetic Field is simply drifting away to Asia where there is more metal still in the ground proportional to the USA's (I mean Americas) metal in the ground. Consequently it is obvious to anyone that has a brain that the magnetic field moving has to do with us being so greedy that we destabilized the magnetic pole through our mining actions. Clearly Asia has a better human population as can be shown by them having more pull on the electromagnetic field and less capitalism (which would have kept things stable if we all had less of that).

Basically to boil it all down, our evil capitalism has not only given the earth a fever (or is that a cold?), but has also given it vertigo. Damn capitalists.

--I should probably copywrite the above, so when Gore does come out with this book / movie, I can sue his sorry ass and take all the book / movie royalties.
 
While i see the point your trying to make(because it used to be my viewpoint as well), you listed politicians...politicians are not scientists. Politicians have their own personal agenda as you implied, however that doesnt change the fact that most scientists are correct and man made climate change is 100% reality.
Wrong. The Copenhagen fiasco exposed scientists as motivated by funding and peer pressure. Scientists are as flawed as any other human being. Virtually all scientists agree that climate change is real. To claim that they agree the cause is 100% due to man is foolish and stupid.
 
OH THANK GOD

The world is saved again by the intrepid gang of [H] scientists! Returning to their basement lair and arming themselves with sodas and chips, they have managed to, yet again, save the earth from climate change. They did this by collectively informing the population of their delicate research into the matter. Most of the researchers were using thought-experiments due to lack of funding, but if it was good enough for Einstein it's good enough for anyone, right? They can look forward to bright futures as extremist news pundits with no real knowledge about whatever topic they are covering.
 
Wrong. The Copenhagen fiasco exposed scientists as motivated by funding and peer pressure. Scientists are as flawed as any other human being. Virtually all scientists agree that climate change is real. To claim that they agree the cause is 100% due to man is foolish and stupid.

Ugh. Aside from the fact that you twisted what i said, any non-scientist who doesnt believe climate change is real is foolish and stupid. I didnt say the cause was 100% man-made, i said man made climate change is 100% reality. We are indeed changing the climate. The fact that you dont believe it because politicians do believe it really allows your ignorance to shine.

Scientists as flawed as every other human being? Give me a break.
 
While i see the point your trying to make(because it used to be my viewpoint as well), you listed politicians...politicians are not scientists. Politicians have their own personal agenda as you implied, however that doesnt change the fact that most scientists are correct and man made climate change is 100% reality.

its easy to be correct when you keep changing the name of the "crisis" to fit around the data that keeps proving their previous agenda wrong. whats it called this week again? climate disruption or something? lets see it was... global warming, then climate change (because change is scary... except when its "change we can believe in", then ultra global climate extremo or something? i cant even keep track anymore. they should just call the weather an irrational homophobic bigot and get it over with.
 
Ahhh I see the coalition of far right-wing [H]ard readers are in full effect.

I know not everyone on this site is a right-wing nutcase, but it sure feels like it sometimes.
 
Whachu talkin' bout Willis... you guys even had one of the "end of world" topics... Volcano Ash, that wasn't even 2 years ago :p

Some ash from a Volcano, that's hardly 'super storm', it's just general natural occurrence that was an inconvenience to those who wanted or "needed" to fly.
 
Dont worry, once a big storm washes florida away, no more gulf stream, and you will freeze your ass off.

I think you'll find we'll freeze our arses off ;) :p But yes, at least it'll be more interesting than grey clouds and drizzle.
 
Ahhh I see the coalition of far right-wing [H]ard readers are in full effect.

I know not everyone on this site is a right-wing nutcase, but it sure feels like it sometimes.

So that makes you and everyone else a far left wing coalition? Just because people question something that isn't proven and is being manipulated by politicians doesn't make people right wing.

I love the double standard of liberal left wingers. Hey you don't believe what we believe your a right wing nut job. Blaming climate change on man is asinine and idiotic especially when the geological record shows climate changes occurring throughout history. I guess mankind was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs as well...oh wait. We weren't around then. Maybe we were responsible for the yellowstone eruption...oh wait we weren't around once again.

Are we contributing to climate change? More than likely. But what is the solution? Should we stop all technological change and return to an agrarian solution? That requires manipulation of the environment so that is out of the question. The Romans and Greeks both pondered the same questions we are in regards to the balance between progress and conservation.

I'd love to hear some practical solutions to change this.
 
So that makes you and everyone else a far left wing coalition? Just because people question something that isn't proven and is being manipulated by politicians doesn't make people right wing.

I love the double standard of liberal left wingers. Hey you don't believe what we believe your a right wing nut job. Blaming climate change on man is asinine and idiotic especially when the geological record shows climate changes occurring throughout history. I guess mankind was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs as well...oh wait. We weren't around then. Maybe we were responsible for the yellowstone eruption...oh wait we weren't around once again.

Are we contributing to climate change? More than likely. But what is the solution? Should we stop all technological change and return to an agrarian solution? That requires manipulation of the environment so that is out of the question. The Romans and Greeks both pondered the same questions we are in regards to the balance between progress and conservation.

I'd love to hear some practical solutions to change this.


Practical is a matter of perspective.

We could reduce carbon emissions by 90% in the next 15-20 years without giving up technological innovation.

Where the perspective on practicality comes in, is on the cost aspect.

It would be EXPENSIVE, no doubt. That being said, solar and wind can easily replace coal, oil and even nuclear power, but it would not be a cheap proposition.

That being said, large infrastructure investments like this would also be a HUGE job boom, throw in electric high speed rail and quick charge infrastructure for EV's and you can make a big difference while providing MILLIONS UP MILLIONS OF JOBS.

I say we get out of the war-mongering business and get into the sustainable energy one.

Oh and btw, man made climate change is not a debate anymore, it is a consensus. The top geologists, climatologists and atmospheric chemists are all in agreement on this.

In fact, we have not seen such wide-reaching consensus on any scientific issue, save for evolution.
 
If you actually read the Economist article linked in the scare article, one of the interviewed sources said soon as in the next several hundred years... but they don't really know. Soon and a geological scale are quite different from what we might think about. In other words, not my problem.
 
Practical is a matter of perspective.

Of course it is.

We could reduce carbon emissions by 90% in the next 15-20 years without giving up technological innovation.

Where the perspective on practicality comes in, is on the cost aspect.

It would be EXPENSIVE, no doubt. That being said, solar and wind can easily replace coal, oil and even nuclear power, but it would not be a cheap proposition.

Developed countries, those with sustainable resources, can; however, those countries that aren't developed can't afford the technolgy to do so. So once again, just like in economics, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

That being said, large infrastructure investments like this would also be a HUGE job boom, throw in electric high speed rail and quick charge infrastructure for EV's and you can make a big difference while providing MILLIONS UP MILLIONS OF JOBS.

I say we get out of the war-mongering business and get into the sustainable energy one.

Oh and btw, man made climate change is not a debate anymore, it is a consensus. The top geologists, climatologists and atmospheric chemists are all in agreement on this.

In fact, we have not seen such wide-reaching consensus on any scientific issue, save for evolution.

Oh and btw, you're wrong. The majority of scientists are still posing hypothesis and working on old hypothesis and the consensus is still up in the air. I doubt you'll find even a minority of scientists say that man kind is 100% responsible for climate change.
 
Oh and btw, you're wrong. The majority of scientists are still posing hypothesis and working on old hypothesis and the consensus is still up in the air. I doubt you'll find even a minority of scientists say that man kind is 100% responsible for climate change.

You love to twist words don't you?

I did not say that "Man is 100% responsible" for climate change

I said that there is OVERWHELMING consensus that man made sources have a had a very significant impact on climate change.

And no I am not, might I ask what your occupation / expertise is on this issue?

I am a grad student in environmental sociology, and I promise you, among the top experts in the relative scientific fields there is OVERWHELMING consensus on this.
 
Practical is a matter of perspective.

We could reduce carbon emissions by 90% in the next 15-20 years without giving up technological innovation.

Where the perspective on practicality comes in, is on the cost aspect.

It would be EXPENSIVE, no doubt. That being said, solar and wind can easily replace coal, oil and even nuclear power, but it would not be a cheap proposition.

That being said, large infrastructure investments like this would also be a HUGE job boom, throw in electric high speed rail and quick charge infrastructure for EV's and you can make a big difference while providing MILLIONS UP MILLIONS OF JOBS.

I say we get out of the war-mongering business and get into the sustainable energy one.

Oh and btw, man made climate change is not a debate anymore, it is a consensus. The top geologists, climatologists and atmospheric chemists are all in agreement on this.

In fact, we have not seen such wide-reaching consensus on any scientific issue, save for evolution.

Sorry, but I am not that selfless, call me a normal human being, but I refuse to "go back to nature" and recycle my modern devices so China and Brazil can continue to expand their infrastructre at record rates. do you even have a clue how many thousand acres of solar panels it would take to power someplace like Pheonix? or how many thousand wind turbines? now look at some place like NY city, with fewer days of available sun.

Build more Nuke plants. we haven't build a new one in a generation. replacing all our coal fired power plants with nuke plants would reduce our carbon footprint a huge amount.

I grew up on a small farm, and I daresay I know a bit more about what goes into "living close to nature" than most people on this forum do. Take my word for it, it sucks. I left the Farm as fast as the Army could take me and never looked back.

you want a more realistic solution? Manhatten project useable fusion power. then we can all use Hydrogen powered vehicles and mine the oceans for heavy isotopes of Hydrogen for the next million years or so.

given that it's looking like 20 years more research at current rates before that is even possible, maybe someone should kick our Gov. in the ass and stop spending money on boondoggles like Corn based Ethanol production and other biofuels.

Perhaps programs like Coal and shale oil based Synfuels will keep us going for a while, but damn, I shudder to think what thinks will look like in 20 years if something isn't done soon.
 
I'm a snowboarder. More snow on the mountains is always welcome. If we had better drivers in the country, I'd be for more snow everywhere.
 
How sad.. look up the writer of the article people. He writes POETRY and ANALYZES NOVELS and now feels the need to write about polar shifting. A topic he knows NOTHING about. His only non-poetry entry, after flipping through 4 pages of his drivel, was something trying to say republicans aren't racist but democrats are. So very sad we're paying attention to this crap.

That said, all of the freaky bad weather can be explained by global warming if you bothered to do the research. However, even as a believer in global warming, I have to admit it could just be freak weather. That said, there's been a nasty streak of it for a few years now.
 
Ok this is getting old. Its a weather phenomena that happens. When I was 5 it snowed 6 feet of snow here within 3 days. Things happen the reason we hear about them more and more is because of the advancement in technology allows us to cover more of these huge disasters or weather events. Weather happens but that global warming shit was completely false. I have not read that article yet but I am extremely skeptical considering my state was suppose to have a really heavy winter and its been everything but. Sure we had big snow events but I've seen an el nino year be better than this la Nina. Farmers almanac said the north east was going to have a heavy winter. I don't think anything is going down hill at all.
 
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