Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results

OOOOHHH They can bitch about who keeps tabs on them and uses their info/statistics, but when they store all of OUR information and use it to their advantage it's okay.
 
So you're saying bing is now as good as google, and I could potentially save two keystrokes every time I want to search?

Where is the bad here?

Good artists copy. Great artists steal.
 
How is that cheating lol. As unethical as Google is I'm surprised they have the nerve to complain about other companies practices.
 
i tried using bing and its complete garbage. also comparing gmail to hotmail is another thing to behold. i always get useless mail from MS whereas i've only gotten 1 email from google team.
i hope google continues to crush ms at everything they are competing markets in.
 
I don't give a fuck. If it makes google work harder to provide search results that are really relevant then good. Google lately has been the equivalent of instant oatmeal. Topping the charts are google's own retarded links, then facebook then shopping then actual sites.

Do no evil my ass......l
 
chimera996 said:
i tried using bing and its complete garbage. also comparing gmail to hotmail is another thing to behold. i always get useless mail from MS whereas i've only gotten 1 email from google team.
i hope google continues to crush ms at everything they are competing markets in.
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What were you searching for? I hear Bing is crap from tons of people, none of which ever provide examples.
 
I always feel mean when I load up the interwebs on a new OS and go and change default search from bing to google. Then translator and maps to google too... But still competition is a good thing and bing is the closest competitor. The name still irritates me...
 
TheGer said:
How is that cheating lol. As unethical as Google is I'm surprised they have the nerve to complain about other companies practices.
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It's normal behavior, for both corporations and many people as well. "All is fair in love, business, and war, until it gets done to me, then ima gonna cry like a bitch, and maybe sue ya."
 
ecuador said:
Actually from the article it seems that MS is looking at which google results people click, and tries to promote those.
It seems perfectly logical and acceptable to me...
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This.

And if the general public knew all of the diverse and far-reaching data points Google uses to better assess the context of an intended search (Google search, Google search bar, GMail, Calendar, Docs, Picasa, Chrome, Groups, Desktop Search, Earth, Maps, Health, News, Books, Panoramio, Knol, Reader and 56 other Google offerings), they'd likely blow off the fact that MSFT is using their Bing bar in as an input for search context.
 
I need a clarification, is the Bing toolbar watching what you search for on Google and telling MS so they can pull down Google's results...

Or is typing something into Bing that it can't find anything on cause it to eventually go crawl Google for the result?
 
So, as I commented elsewhere, I think the author is showing significant bias and there's little evidence to support his veiled accusations of plagiary and incompetence.

Most likely, Bing is acquiring clickthrough data from textbox input and pairing it with link click followthrough. That is, Bing watches what people type and what links they click after typing it. Did Google ever try other mechanisms to munge results, such as using an internal search page (i.e. one where it uses some proprietary engine to search, say, a forum) and see if Bing started reporting those results? If so, it would indicate that coming from Google had nothing to do with the mechanism of acquisition, and that it was strictly parsing URL or textbox entries combined with link clickthrough. Implying that Bing's response of "we use a lot of vectors" is the same as saying "we steal stuff from Google, so what" is trolltastic at best, and blatantly misleading at worst.
 
Microsoft's Harry Shum had a few things to say about Google's allegations that they caught Bing "cheating."

To be clear, we learn from all of our customers. What we saw in today’s story was a spy-novelesque stunt to generate extreme outliers in tail query ranking. It was a creative tactic by a competitor, and we’ll take it as a back-handed compliment. But it doesn’t accurately portray how we use opt-in customer data as one of many inputs to help improve our user experience.
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Is it the fine ale from Wychwood brewery in me, or did they not explain how they're covered in the honey of Google's honeypot trap, and just try to BS it off by saying a Bing user did all that instead?
 
What in the fuk is bing and why do I give a fuk about bing when I have Google.

GFD...
 
Zarathustra[H];1036788401 said:
Even DOS was a ripoff of Seattle Computer Products Q-DOS...

Ever since Microsofts strategy has been to watch others, learn, and then copy it and incorporate it into their products. Kind of sleazy really...
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Umm, Billy bought the rights to Seattle Computer Product's Q-DOS... that's not sleazy. That's business. Fair business. There are many other examples of MS being sleazy but this is not one of them.

I highly doubt that if Billy didn't purchase Q-DOS that Seattle Computer Products could have done what Billy did to sell the OS to IBM.
 
or possibly some other means to send data to Bing on what people search for on Google and the Google search results they click. Those results from Google are then more likely to show up on Bing./QUOTE]

So the Google guys did a search on a never before seen work, clicked a link to a well trafficked web site, and are allowed their software to report back to Microsoft; then they're surprised that a small percentage of their clicked links show up in Microsoft's results? Doesn't this show forward-thinking on behalf of Microsoft, linking a string of random characters with a site the user decided to visit? And what about the other potential factors that could have been reported to Microsoft - how long did they stay on the destination site, did they click any other links within that site, did they click out of the site after, or did they just close the browser, indicating to Microsoft that they may have successfully found the info they were looking for?

I think it's completely possible that Microsoft picked up the results without any wrongdoing, legal or otherwise. Could they have simply copied the results? Sure! But it would be damn near impossible to get MS to admit the actual method of getting these results, even if done 'correctly' by Google's definition.

But of course, people have their preconceived notions of both companies and spurt out their allegiance without looking at the details. Only 3 posts appear to have seen this important yet overlooked fact.
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ecuador said:
Actually from the article it seems that MS is looking at which google results people click, and tries to promote those.
It seems perfectly logical and acceptable to me...
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Not sure this is an issue...I'm sure Google gets a lot of its analytics from not only what trends they see on Google, for all we know google is doing the same thing MS is doing to them!
 
Google should be happy that Microsoft is making a solid attempt to compete, a few more years of Google taking over the world and they're sure to be nailed for having a monopoly and get there legs chopped out from under them.
 
Sounds like a very good idea to me, kind of amazed Google doesnt do it.
 
Shorehn said:
Click on the "More" tab on the left on your search results and then choose Discussions. It searches only through forums, Yahoo Answers, newsgroups, et cetera.

I use it so often I couldn't imagine doing without it.
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Oh, I should look at that stuff more. Thanks!

Stiletto said:
So you're saying bing is now as good as google, and I could potentially save two keystrokes every time I want to search?

Where is the bad here?

Good artists copy. Great artists steal.
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Mark Zuckberg, greatest mastermind of stealing ideas.
 
its about damn time they did this, Bing results a month ago were garbage compared to Google's own. i noticed in the last few weeks that the Bing results started mirroring Google's on my mobile....this is the onyl way MS was going to make Bing usable...
 
Gloves said:
Oh look there's a fanboy raging like a typical apple fanboy.
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???? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Who even said a single thing about Apple, let alone anything fanboyish? Everything I said is basically common knowledge for anyone who has used both searches....
 
TwistedAegis said:
Other than the fact that the level of tracking MS and Google are able to do of users is incredibly creepy,.
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You didn't think they checked results? Shit, I'm pretty sure they even have a huge screen at their building that shows live search results. No joke.

That's why google is so good, they have people make the search results what people mostly click... genius and easy to do. Once you get popular by word of mouth, sell ads.

All you have to do is make and PROVE (*cough* TV commercials) that your NEW SPIFFY search is better than googles' and you can easily become a billionaire really fast if you're smart enough and do it right....
 
Dylan80 said:
???? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Who even said a single thing about Apple, let alone anything fanboyish? Everything I said is basically common knowledge for anyone who has used both searches....
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more like a common opinion, not exactly full of indisputable facts.


it doesnt sound like MS is doing anything shady here. it seems pretty smart to keep tabs on where users are going, whether they are using google, bing, yahoo, whatever. MS and Google are in it for the advertising dollars, so of course both are going to be heavily invested in tracking usage patterns on thier own and competitor services.


As far as bing itself, Ive been using it off and on for a while now and its worked well for me. I prefer thier image and video search over google. I also really like what they are doing with maps. Its similar to google, but ive found a few instances where bing maps have more detail, or they gave more accurate text directions (such as side of the street, which google does now as well), and the streetview-style shots inside buildings is a cool feature (something google has recently decided to do as well). Shopping is about the same, both are lacking though. The actual search part is back and forth. Ive found myself getting better google results for some stuff, and then better bing results for other stuff. Im not sure why that happens, but it does, so it keeps me using both.
 
Google is still mad a Bing and they want you to know it. Obviously this is a bit funny coming from a company that gathers information on damn near every aspect of your life so that it can target you directly based on your online behavior. ;)

We created about 100 “synthetic queries”—queries that you would never expect a user to type, such as [hiybbprqag]. As a one-time experiment, for each synthetic query we inserted as Google’s top result a unique (real) webpage which had nothing to do with the query.
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Steve said:
Google is still mad a Bing and they want you to know it. Obviously this is a bit funny coming from a company that gathers information on damn near every aspect of your life so that it can target you directly based on your online behavior. ;)
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Regardless if Bing copied a few random search terms, I still would use them over Google. The results are far more accurate and it's features outweigh those of Google.
 
Are we really suppose to feel bad for Google? It's not like they are the underdog in the search market.

What was Google doing looking at Bing search results? That sounds like looking over someones shoulder to see what they wrote down. :rolleyes:
 
im still trying to wrap my head around what they actually did (MS I mean).

the more i think about it, it seems like what Google is saying that it was as if MS had a person doing google searches and then adding the results to their system in order to better target people that use their search. so instead of people doing it, MS has software doing it.

on the face of it, it seems lame that they have do that in order to improve their own service, but the more i think about it, the more i think it doesnt sound different from any competitor looking at what others are doing in order to improve their own stuff. Again, its about advertising.

my next question would be, is Google above doing something similar? My first thought would be that they dont need to since they control the majority of internet searches, but i wouldnt be suprised if they go after user data in other ways in order to improve their service.
 
trooper11 said:
im still trying to wrap my head around what they actually did (MS I mean).
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I expect it is no more than their toolbar and suggested sites just sending them URL's people visit. If you go to Google and search for "hfjkslhfjkshaui8os" it shows in the URL, so that gets sent to MS, then if you click on the fake link, then that gets sent to MS too. It doesn't take much to then put together that if someone was at a website with "hfjkslhfjkshaui8os" in the url then immediately ended up on the next page that you should send other people that way.

I'm sure this works on all sites with links, go to amazon and search for a product, then get everyone to click on one of the unrelated links at the bottom every time and they'll get sent off and an association made as well.

I mean is it really that surprising that if you are at a url with sexy-tractor in it and then everyone ends up clicking through to john deere that it might show up in search results?
 
Damn I should have bought some google stock.....Walmart and google will some day rule the world together.
 
If MS is spying on people actually using Google's website, that should be grounds for a lawsuit IMHO.

Spying on google is one thing, that is expected. Spying on people while using google is another thing altogether. That is invading your privacy on a scale that should make people cringe. I see a class action out of this one....and it's going to get messy.
 
fatrat said:
If MS is spying on people actually using Google's website, that should be grounds for a lawsuit IMHO.

Spying on google is one thing, that is expected. Spying on people while using google is another thing altogether. That is invading your privacy on a scale that should make people cringe. I see a class action out of this one....and it's going to get messy.
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You obviously didn't bother reading the linked article(s). It's not spying on "google" or any other specific website, especially when the user has given permission of his/her usage data to be sent to MS on ALL browser activity.

Let me summarize it for you: Bing is using the bing toolbar to keep track of what clicks and text are entered on a user's browser. One of the articles even displays the statement in the User's Agreement that everybody has to agree to when installing the Bing Toolbar which states that usage data will be gathered.

It's not spying if the user has GIVEN PERMISSION for the data to be gathered.

But no doubt, lawsuits will spring up, but the chance they'll get any settlement is slim.
 
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