BenQ new VW2420/EW2420 VA panel with LED backlight.

Sorry for being harsh, but this is complete crap, yea the monitor is great for the price but no MVA/PVA monitor can have outstanding contrast due to the very well known issues.

So in short, even 500:1 contrast on IPS screen will look alot better then overrated 1000:1 on PVA/MVA panel aka black crush/shadow detail issues all over, which are impossible to avoid proven many times by now. Your review looks good overall but i'm totally confused how can someone have decent knowledge about monitors, and yet saying something so wrong..It's ridiculous.

He has a thing for measured contrast ratio. So even if the viewing angles and gamma shift were so bad that only a small circle in the center of the screen could actually achieve such high contrast he would still claim it's a superior monitor to any IPS ever produced. These Benq screens, albeit good value, are a pretty good example there is much more to a great monitor than just high measured contrast ratio.
 
He has a thing for measured contrast ratio. So even if the viewing angles and gamma shift were so bad that only a small circle in the center of the screen could actually achieve such high contrast he would still claim it's a superior monitor to any IPS ever produced. These Benq screens, albeit good value, are a pretty good example there is much more to a great monitor than just high measured contrast ratio.

Absolute true, i mostly using my 2490 for movies and some light PS work. When i watch movies on any other screen expect my monitor i'm so pissed buy the fact i can't see shit during the dark scenes its really frustrating! :mad: its like audio only :D


A friend of mine has 30" Sammy 305T (S -PVA) and he invited me to watch Aliens in 1080p to show off!? come on man! it was awflul lol! i won't even talk about the total darkness in the nightime scenes and the ultra oversaturation. It was really impossible to see anything! now yes, you could say your fanboy! or biased etc, but thats the true and nothing can change it.


Later out of curiosity even i knew the result, i went back home and played Aliens, and man there it is! all shadow detail was there! no black crush,gama, or contrast shift! just beautilful perfectly stable image! yea i know, its a high end model but still even an Dell 2209WA would destroy almost any S-PVA monitor.
 
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Absolute true, i mostly using my 2490 for movies and some light PS work. When i watch movies on any other screen expect my monitor i'm so pissed buy the fact i can't see shit during the dark scenes its really frustrating! :mad: its like audio only :D


A friend of mine has 30" Sammy 305T (S -PVA) and he invited me to watch Aliens in 1080p man to show off!? it was awflul lol! i won't even talk about the total darkness in the nightime scenes and the ultra oversaturation. It was really impossible to see anything! now yes, you could say your fanboy! or biased etc, but thats the true and nothing can change it.


Later out of curiosity even i knew the result, i went back home and played Aliens, and man there it is! all shadow detail was there! no black crush,gama, or contrast shift! just beautilful perfectly stable image! yea i know, its a high end model but still even an Dell 2209WA would destroy almost any S-PVA monitor.

Behold the wonders of an A-TW polarizer.
 
Nah man, its not just that, even i must say its awesome to have A-TW polarizer. Its more about panel type at least when we talk about shadow detail/black crush. That being said i'm pretty sure shadow detail is good on ur 2475 as well :)
 
Contrast/black levels are not just measured values. They determine how good the image quality of a panel will be. No Color Comp-less screen is going to have totally uniform contrast across the screen. Talking about poor shadow detail/black crush on 2+ year old S-PVA panels is just silly. Obviously IPS still remains king in terms of viewing angles, but modern day VA (excluding the BenQ due to the poor QC, I'm talking Eizo's new C-PVA/S-PVA panels, the Dell 2408 Rev 02 and Samsung F2380MX) will offer far superior image quality to the medicore contrast offerings of the Dell U2410 or poor QC the Dell U2311H and it's variants offer. Go check out PRAD.DE's recent reviews.

Comparing an un-calibrated Wide-Gamut LCD to a panel with outstanding factory presets equiped with an A-TW polarizer+Color Comp and complaing about the shadow detail is just well...............do I even need to elaborate? What do you expect?:D

Can a calibrated 500:1 IPS look better then a 1000:1 modern S/C-PVA (excluding the oringal Samsung F2380)? No, unless the IPS panel is equiped with Color Comp+A-TW Polarizer and one is looking at full screen colors to look for the inhomogenity. Obvisouly the IPS panel will have a clear viewing angle advantage if it has the A-TW polarizer, if not modern S/C-PVA wins due to the lack of IPS glow and poor contrast (assuming both are calibrated to the same standards).

The BenQ I purchased is one of the few exceptions where contrast is just a measured number due to the poor screen uniformity which ruined the black level and shadow detail in dark scenes. My current TN panels (Acer G245H/LG W2442PA) both have better screen uniformity, color accuracy and response times. Even with less than 33% the contrast of the BenQ, any sort of "dark," image will look better, as it would on any panel with good uniformity. Bright/Normal images will still look much better on the BenQ though (I tried to demonstrate this with the Constantine and L4D subway pictures in my review).

After reading this thread and the Overclockers UK thread I would no longer recommend the BenQ, just like I won't recommend the Dell U2311H (unless one has to have an IPS panel and is choosing between the U2311H and it's inferior variants). Panel types aside, people constantly getting screens with very poor quality control, especially when they come at a premium (cough Dell U2311H/U2410) is unacceptable. I think this is something every one can agree on. It's a sad world when it's safter to buy a TN panel over these A-MVA/IPS panels.
 
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Nah man, its not just that, even i must say its awesome to have A-TW polarizer. Its more about panel type at least when we talk about shadow detail/black crush. That being said i'm pretty sure shadow detail is good on ur 2475 as well :)

I realize this. I know the differences between TN, *VA, and IPS. It doesn't matter how good said polarizer is if the underlying panel is shit, akin to putting lipstick on a pig. It may have lipstick, but it's still swine. ;)

My LP2475w has a similar H-IPS panel to your NEC 2490WUXi, with the big differentiator being your NEC has a more sophisticated LUT and the A-TW polarizer, IIRC. Both our monitors have about the same input lag, 25-35ms.

And yes, shadow detail is good to great, but unfortunately the IPS glow washes some of it out in certain scenes. Still it's far better than any craptacular monitor I see on the local B&M shelves.
 
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Contrast/black levels are not just measured values. They determine how good the image quality of a panel will be. No Color Comp-less screen is going to have totally uniform contrast across the screen. Talking about poor shadow detail/black crush on 2+ year old S-PVA panels is just silly. Obviously IPS still remains king in terms of viewing angles, but modern day VA (excluding the BenQ due to the poor QC, I'm talking Eizo's new C-PVA/S-PVA panels, the Dell 2408 Rev 02 and Samsung F2380MX) will offer far superior image quality to the medicore contrast offerings of the Dell U2410 or poor QC the Dell U2311H and it's variants offer. Go check out PRAD.DE's recent reviews.

Comparing an un-calibrated Wide-Gamut LCD to a panel with outstanding factory presets equiped with an A-TW polarizer+Color Comp and complaing about the shadow detail is just well...............do I even need to elaborate? What do you expect?:D

Can a calibrated 500:1 IPS look better then a 1000:1 modern S/C-PVA (excluding the oringal Samsung F2380)? No, unless the IPS panel is equiped with Color Comp+A-TW Polarizer and one is looking at full screen colors to look for the inhomogenity. Obvisouly the IPS panel will have a clear viewing angle advantage if it has the A-TW polarizer, if not modern S/C-PVA wins due to the lack of IPS glow and poor contrast (assuming both are calibrated to the same standards).

The BenQ I purchased is one of the few exceptions where contrast is just a measured number due to the poor screen uniformity which ruined the black level and shadow detail in dark scenes. My current TN panels (Acer G245H/LG W2442PA) both have better screen uniformity, color accuracy and response times. Even with less than 33% the contrast of the BenQ, any sort of "dark," image will look better, as it would on any panel with good uniformity. Bright/Normal images will still look much better on the BenQ though (I tried to demonstrate this with the Constantine and L4D subway pictures in my review).

After reading this thread and the Overclockers UK thread I would no longer recommend the BenQ, just like I won't recommend the Dell U2311H (unless one has to have an IPS panel and is choosing between the U2311H and it's inferior variants). Panel types aside, people constantly getting screens with very poor quality control, especially when they come at a premium (cough Dell U2311H/U2410) is unacceptable. I think this is something every one can agree on. It's a sad world when it's safter to buy a TN panel over these A-MVA/IPS panels.

You really think that calibration will magically fix the issues i noted?! nope it will not.

P.S. Here is another different issue even on EIZO's. Yea calibration can help lil bit agree but it will not make an PVA screen IPS.

Eizo you say?

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031371458&postcount=58

more,

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And more?

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Samsung F2380?

blackcrush.jpg



And moarrr

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7118/52608036.jpg


Bottom line, nope high end EIZO or new S-PVA screen won't help neither Samsung the technology is flawed.
 
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After using my new BL2400PT for a day, the irregular ripple yellowish LED effect at the bottom of the screen is still clearly annoying. So I've asked BenQ for a warranty return and sent them the following photos to illustrate the defect:

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Here is BenQ answer (I've translated from french):

"Hello,

We have received your photos.

The light you are seing at the bottom of your screen corresponds to the LED backlight and is not characterized as a defect. All monitors of this model (i.e. all BL2400PT) have this type of backlighting.

Not being characterized as a fabrication defect, the warranty does not apply.

Regards,

BenQ Switzerland
benq.ch
"

So yes indeed, Benq has confirmed that the LED ripple effect is a standard feature on this screen.
 
psyside, do NOT use undocumented photos to prove a point which is flawed.

The Samsung F2380MX was reported by ToastyX last year as having a messed up gamma curve (regardless of adjustment) that had major black crush. This is an exception not a rule.

1) VA matrices have off-angle washout and horizontal gamma shift, NOT dark detail compression/black crush. I have used a number that even without adjustment do not have a problem showing dark details straight on, it's just that those details become MORE visible from a horizontally more extreme viewing angle.

2) Many VA panels from Samsung had high input lag due to over aggressive overdrive algorithms often induced by poor dark-to-dark pixel response transition.

3) Many VA matrices do not have MLL (minimum luminance level) or black level that rises off-angle until really unusable angles are reached.

See my below post comparing (side-by-side) my A-TW polarized and SVII calibrated NEC 26" with my Dell 27" S-PVA screen.

Notice I HAVE included exposure information in this post comparing the two:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1033153808#post1033153808
 
After using my new BL2400PT for a day, the irregular ripple yellowish LED effect at the bottom of the screen is still clearly annoying. So I've asked BenQ for a warranty return and sent them the following photos to illustrate the defect:




Here is BenQ answer (I've translated from french):

"Hello,

We have received your photos.

The light you are seing at the bottom of your screen corresponds to the LED backlight and is not characterized as a defect. All monitors of this model (i.e. all BL2400PT) have this type of backlighting.

Not being characterized as a fabrication defect, the warranty does not apply.

Regards,

BenQ Switzerland
benq.ch
"

So yes indeed, Benq has confirmed that the LED ripple effect is a standard feature on this screen.

That's very sad.

BenQ U.S. just sent me another EW2420 and VW2420H. I've opened up the VW2420H and the LEDs are very hard to see and the backlight is very uniform.

I will post pictures to see if I can help you in your quest that you can provide to BenQ SW/ch.

One thing of note: The VW2420H is an October 2010 built monitor while my purchased EW2420 is September 2010. I'm not sure it correlates to what looks to be better assembly quality contributing to lower visual defects.
 
So yes indeed, Benq has confirmed that the LED ripple effect is a standard feature on this screen.
That's somewhat BS, as there are people who've don't have it at all. Or even some that have it on one side, not all the way along. I think BenQ are just trying to reduce the amount of returns.
 
That's very sad.

BenQ U.S. just sent me another EW2420 and VW2420H. I've opened up the VW2420H and the LEDs are very hard to see and the backlight is very uniform.

I will post pictures to see if I can help you in your quest that you can provide to BenQ SW/ch.

One thing of note: The VW2420H is an October 2010 built monitor while my purchased EW2420 is September 2010. I'm not sure it correlates to what looks to be better assembly quality contributing to lower visual defects.

Well, thanks. Mine was manufactured in August. It looks like it may be a unit that had been returned already by someone else, since the box didn't have the original tape.
 
total disapointment with my U2711 i just called dell and there picking it up and giving me all my $ back on my acct......what a let down "LAG"....the most beautiful pix and dripping bright colors ive waited for for years.....and the thing is way to slow for me, i will stick with 24" super fast response times, unless 27" will have super fast times.....im hoping this new benQ will do the trick....thanks dell for my money back and picking up my 2711 from my front door :cool:

if you guys or some of you are dying for the u2711 dont hold your breath, if you like speed or snap fast response this is NOT FOR YOU....wait for the good stuff like this benQ
 

Reading comprehension is obviously not something you should put on your resume.

Using 2+ year old LCD's to prove a point. Are you serious? Read my response again.

I also said excluding the original F2380, the black crush was a flaw caused by bad presets, not the panel tech itself. The revisions did not have this problem.

Discussing this further is a waste, clearly you don't understand the topic at hand.



I didn't have the LED ripple effect on my unit, just bad backlight bleed if that helps.
 
Here are my settings:

Picture Mode: Standard
Brightness: 26 (I may adjust this depending on ambient light)
Contrast: 49
Sharpness 3
Gamma: 2.2
Color: User Mode
Red: 94
Green: 92
Blue: 89
AMA: OFF (for now)
Dynamic Contrast: OFF
Eye Protect: OFF
Eco Sensor: OFF

My settings may not be the best nor adapted to your screen, because each screen and each person is different.
Also, color temperature and saturation is very difficult to set by eye, and I don't have calibration gear.

For those interested, after having used the monitor for a while, I've changed my settings and I believe they are now the best I can get without calibration. In particular, the greys are more neutral. New settings.

Picture Mode: Standard
Brightness: 30 (I sometimes adjust this depending on ambient light)
Contrast: 50
Sharpness 3
Gamma: 2.2
Color: User Mode
Red: 96
Green: 91
Blue: 95

AMA: ON
Dynamic Contrast: OFF
Eye Protect: OFF
Eco Sensor: OFF

This seems to be adapted for the BL2400PT, but probably not the EW and VW models which have different factory presets.

Also, after using the screen for a week, I actually like it, except for the small LED ripples at the bottom. I'm actually selling it to someone who is not as picky as me and I'll wait and see if Benq fixes this issue. If yes, I might get the same model.
 
I must agree with this guy about my EW2420:
If you do get a good unit the EW2420 is a real gem; if not you should be ready to exercise your consumer rights to return for a replacement or a refund.
For me is a real gem. For now. :)

Just a FYI, in our forums I have a guy with BL2400PT. First has a few dead pixels after a week or so. He changed it and second has 2 dead pixels after two days.
Another guy with VW2420H has same dead pixels after a week or so but replacement is fine for now.

So it's a big problem with QC at BenQ. You can be in Heaven or you can be in Hell. For now I'm in Heaven. :)
 
I would say this spills over into the VW2420H as well as BL2400Px units too.

So far, after viewing three <x>W2420 units, I've seen some large differences in panel characteristics

1) Purchased EW2420 - Decent backlight uniformity, no dead/stuck pixels or sub-pixels, visible LED "reflections" or ripple in the bottom of the panel.

2) BenQ sent VW2420H - Excellent backlight uniformity, one dead red sub pixel, very hard-to-see LED ripple "reflection".

3) BenQ sent EW2420 - Average to sub-par backlight uniformity, one stuck pixel, visible LED ripple "reflections".

Both EW2420s are September 2010 built-units, the VW is built in October.

If the VW didn't have the dead red sub-pixel, it would be as close to perfect as one could ask for.

So right now I'm somewhere between heaven and hell. On the other hand, I did notify the BenQ marketing lady about the issue, and she has messaged her internal team to examine the issue with AUO engineering team. I hope this can get resolved.

Alternately, I haven't seen any appearance of dead/stuck pixels on my original unit, which seems the same as it was when purchased.




I must agree with this guy about my EW2420:

For me is a real gem. For now. :)

Just a FYI, in our forums I have a guy with BL2400PT. First has a few dead pixels after a week or so. He changed it and second has 2 dead pixels after two days.
Another guy with VW2420H has same dead pixels after a week or so but replacement is fine for now.

So it's a big problem with QC at BenQ. You can be in Heaven or you can be in Hell. For now I'm in Heaven. :)
 
Well I've had my EW2420 for a week and I'm pretty impressed with it. Coming from a BenQ G2400W TN Panel the colors are far more vibrant and the inky blacks are worlds apart.

I notice a very, very slight amount of ghosting in comparison to my G2400W but that was a very fast panel and the increase in picture quality is well worth this small trade-off as it's hardly noticeable.

Unfortunately I also have a ripple effect but it's very small, running along maybe an eighth of the bottom of the screen from the middle to the right and extending maybe a quarter of an inch up. It's only really visible on lighter color backgrounds and I only notice it if I consciously make an effort to. In fact I didn't even realize the issue was there until I read this thread and started looking for it.

All in all, for the money I'm very pleased with the quality of this screen. It may not be perfect but I can live with it's flaws. I feel like LCD screens have always been about compromise and I think this one strikes a very impressive balance, provided of course you get one that's been well put together.
 
Contrast/black levels are not just measured values. They determine how good the image quality of a panel will be. No Color Comp-less screen is going to have totally uniform contrast across the screen. Talking about poor shadow detail/black crush on 2+ year old S-PVA panels is just silly. Obviously IPS still remains king in terms of viewing angles, but modern day VA (excluding the BenQ due to the poor QC, I'm talking Eizo's new C-PVA/S-PVA panels, the Dell 2408 Rev 02 and Samsung F2380MX) will offer far superior image quality to the medicore contrast offerings of the Dell U2410 or poor QC the Dell U2311H and it's variants offer. Go check out PRAD.DE's recent reviews.

Comparing an un-calibrated Wide-Gamut LCD to a panel with outstanding factory presets equiped with an A-TW polarizer+Color Comp and complaing about the shadow detail is just well...............do I even need to elaborate? What do you expect?:D

Can a calibrated 500:1 IPS look better then a 1000:1 modern S/C-PVA (excluding the oringal Samsung F2380)? No, unless the IPS panel is equiped with Color Comp+A-TW Polarizer and one is looking at full screen colors to look for the inhomogenity. Obvisouly the IPS panel will have a clear viewing angle advantage if it has the A-TW polarizer, if not modern S/C-PVA wins due to the lack of IPS glow and poor contrast (assuming both are calibrated to the same standards).

The BenQ I purchased is one of the few exceptions where contrast is just a measured number due to the poor screen uniformity which ruined the black level and shadow detail in dark scenes. My current TN panels (Acer G245H/LG W2442PA) both have better screen uniformity, color accuracy and response times. Even with less than 33% the contrast of the BenQ, any sort of "dark," image will look better, as it would on any panel with good uniformity. Bright/Normal images will still look much better on the BenQ though (I tried to demonstrate this with the Constantine and L4D subway pictures in my review).

After reading this thread and the Overclockers UK thread I would no longer recommend the BenQ, just like I won't recommend the Dell U2311H (unless one has to have an IPS panel and is choosing between the U2311H and it's inferior variants). Panel types aside, people constantly getting screens with very poor quality control, especially when they come at a premium (cough Dell U2311H/U2410) is unacceptable. I think this is something every one can agree on. It's a sad world when it's safter to buy a TN panel over these A-MVA/IPS panels.

Hi-five man. Best post I've read on this forum in a long time. I agree with everything you've said. I've actually bought and returned both the NEC and Dell 23 IPS displays for multiple reasons. If Asus made a 120hz version of the VE278HQ I would buy it in heartbeat.

http://www.digitalversus.com/asus-ve278q-p357_10137_150.html
"At over 980:1, the VE278Q's contrast ratio is above the average value for monitors, 850:1."
 
So I recently bought the VW2420 myself. The reason why I didn't opt for the EW2420 was simply because I liked the design of the VW2420 more than the EW2420. I was mainly attracted to the slim factor. Anyway, since the VW2420 shares the same panel as the EW2420 and BL2400PT I wanted to do a review on here about the VW2420 and share my insights. I'm going to take some shots and do a comparison with initial impression with the VW2420 with a Samsung T240 and hopefully eventually upload more pictures and insights as time goes on as I've been extremely busy lately with work and haven't had a chance to do a real test. But just to give others other a first impression:

1st of all we'll do a comparison of out of box. I apologize for the quality of the pictures as I was not able to do a thorough job of taking them. But this short review will once again point out the basics: the viewing angles and quality differences of the VW2420 which uses a PVA panel with comparison to a LCD monitor using a TN panel.

benqvssam1.jpg


In this first image you can see the difference between the BenQ (left) and the Samsung (right), isn't big, however the following images will more variety. So just to be clear this was the first screen both monitors were compared to each other the second I powered on the BenQ.


http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2357/benqsamgame1.jpg

This next picture is the both of them side by side and you can see the image quality of the BenQ on the left is much better than the Samsung, now this is out of box without configuration I will later show "game mode" on the BenQ

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4524/benqsamgame3.jpg

Now this is the BenQ in "game mode" so you can see slight differences of better picture quality from standard mode.

Now you will see the individual pictures of "normal mode" as the first and "game mode" as the second on the BenQ.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9426/benqstdmode.jpg

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8272/benqgameclose.jpg

Next I will show the viewing angles of both monitors:

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4673/benqsamgame2.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/633/sambenqgame2z.jpg

So you may see through all the pictures that the BenQ has better colors in direct comparison with the TN panel monitors, this is due to it's true 3000:1 contrast ratio and wider viewing angles. So far I have not noticed any blurring effects, or input lag when playing games or anything like that.

Here is a youtube short review done by someone online on the BL2400PT's call of duty gameplay response, you can see that there is no lag or ghosting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5h6W78TkQQ

Here is a short Black levels video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDYysxFh7Pw&NR=1

Will post more findings as I use the monitor longer and see if I experience any of the related issues that some are facing.
 
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TFTCentral have put up their review on the EW2420 for those who are still interested: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_ew2420.htm

Czech site, ExtraHardware also reviewed both the VW2420H and the BL2400PT: http://translate.google.com/transla...s.cz/test-2x-lcd-benq-va-led-vw2420h-bl2400pt (untranslated here).
Awful viewing angles are evident in both reviews. They are definitely worse than cPVA. Even 1st gen AMVA panels performed much better here - just compare TFTCentral reviews of 24WMGX3 and EW2420.
Looks like it is about as fast as original F2380.
I was seriously considering EW2420 but after initial impressions I balked and in the end chose FS2331. I have been using it for a week now, looks like an excellent choice so far. I will write something for FS2331 thread later.
 
Awful viewing angles are evident in both reviews. They are definitely worse than cPVA. Even 1st gen AMVA panels performed much better here - just compare TFTCentral reviews of 24WMGX3 and EW2420.
Looks like it is about as fast as original F2380.
I was seriously considering EW2420 but after initial impressions I balked and in the end chose FS2331. I have been using it for a week now, looks like an excellent choice so far. I will write something for FS2331 thread later.
Yeah viewing angles aren't the best, you can see it more clearly in this video, particularly on the red block test. However, it's probably still better than TN alternatives and I'd imagine the majority of people aren't going to viewing their monitors at such extreme angles anyway.

The FS2331 does seem very good on paper, though I doubt many will be able to afford it unfortunately. I don't even think it's being sold by any regular retailer here in the UK.
 
Yeah viewing angles aren't the best, you can see it more clearly in this video, particularly on the red block test. However, it's probably still better than TN alternatives and I'd imagine the majority of people aren't going to viewing their monitors at such extreme angles anyway.

It isn't about extreme angles. It takes a lot more to show it in a picture, but that doesn't mean you need extreme angles to notice problems. The real problem is it creates an unstable image that shifts every time you move your head. I had a couple of PVA monitors that were less shifty than this one that I found unusable, because every head movement caused all kinds of image shifting.

Now some people will tolerate this better than others, but in no way does this require extreme angles to be a problem. I would take a TN panel before a shifty VA panel like this. YMMV.
 
TBH it seems the only thing these screens have going for them is the high contrast ratio and price. Relatively poor uniformity, poor colors out of the box without calibration, worse viewing angles and more gamma shift compared to cPVA let alone IPS, poor responsiveness, above average input lag and it would seem a not so good QC either.

It isn't about extreme angles. It takes a lot more to show it in a picture, but that doesn't mean you need extreme angles to notice problems. The real problem is it creates an unstable image that shifts every time you move your head. I had a couple of PVA monitors that were less shifty than this one that I found unusable, because every head movement caused all kinds of image shifting.

Now some people will tolerate this better than others, but in no way does this require extreme angles to be a problem. I would take a TN panel before a shifty VA panel like this. YMMV.

I wouldn't go as far as to say I would rather use a TN but yeah, the color shift of my PVA can be very bothersome and these MVA panels are even worse. Certain colors just don't look "right" on *VA monitors when viewed head on with all the strange fake 3d effects going on. But yeah, the majority of people don't even notice the built-in uniformity issues of TN panels, I would imagine even less people are going to bothered by this.
 
that's exactly what I found, this monitor had fantastic blacks, yet the colours were out of kilter on skintones and could not be corrected, my sample had a definite green tinge that I couldn't remove,
I sent my EW2420 back and will be probably be replacing it with a TN panel

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Hi guys,

I'm a long time reader of this thread and gratefully sucked in every piece of information about the new BenQs. Even though the thread resulted in me not buying one of these BenQs.

But I ended up buying a Samsung 2333T with PVA Panel (according to Samsung's homepage with an incredible 4.000:1 static contrast ratio!) which is sold darn cheap (in Germany for less than 150 Euro including tax and shipping – for comparison: the LED-VA BenQs cost about 240 Euro around here).

So, now I'm happy to give some information back to you guys – here is my review of this monitor (sorry for the heavily garbled google translation):

http://translate.google.de/translat...luxx.de/community/15803327-post1.html&prev=_t

As a teaser, here are two pictures (cell phone photos - take 'em with a grain of salt) showing the shadow details and the overall picture impression in dark movies compared to a Dell 2209WA (- the Dell's aspect ratio looks messed up, because the PC is set to 1920x1080).





In a nutshell: The 2333T is far from perfect - but good enough for me (I use it mostly for office and as a TV/movie playback screen). Movies look particular awesome on this screen. But it is not a good screen for gamers. And even though it seems not to have a LED backlight, just a CCFL, it has a pretty low power consumption; I have measured 23,7 Watt @ 120 cd/2.
 
WOW, Best Buy sells the 2333T for 140$
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...lack/1405405.p?id=1218255997343&skuId=1405405

At 100$ less then the BenQ that thing is a steal! Motion is better on the BenQ, however C-PVA seems to almost always have under 10ms of input lag vs 20ms on the BenQ, plus the C-PVA panels seem to have much better QC.

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This picture says it all: This is why contrast is important. Except I can't repost the link.

Grummel can you provide the static contrast by any chance? BasICColor and HCFR are both free programs which you could use to post some measurements.
 
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Unfortunately I do not have the measurement equipment. The 120 cd/m2 I referred too were measured by a different user "Stipi" from the hardwareluxx thread.
 
just wondering about this BenQ VW2420H looks very very nice for my 2nd computer system monitor,what comes close for matching this one i like LED VA
thanks
 
Samsung 2333T uses a C-PVA panel=better screen uniformity, viewing angles and color presets and they're only 180$ @ Best Buy vs 250$ for the BenQ. Motion is not as good as the BenQ, however the Samusng C-PVA panels always have under 10ms of input lag vs 20ms on the BenQ.
 
Samsung 2333T uses a C-PVA panel=better screen uniformity, viewing angles and color presets and they're only 180$ @ Best Buy vs 250$ for the BenQ. Motion is not as good as the BenQ, however the Samusng C-PVA panels always have under 10ms of input lag vs 20ms on the BenQ.

i like 24" im learning what i can from you guys, should i go: ips led 24" 5ms or less can you suggest any other models
 
Seems that those models are not sold in the USA. Anyone have any luck finding them?
 
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