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According to DigiTimes, NVIDIA has delayed Fermi again. While NVIDIA refused to comment on this story, this info certainly jives with what we told you over a month ago.

Nvidia originally scheduled to launch Fermi in November 2009, but was delayed until CES in January 2010 due to defects, according to market rumors. However, the company recently notified graphics card makers that the official launch will now be in March 2010, the sources noted.
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It seems prices of cards won't come down anytime soon. Same goes for RAM... They cut supplies so much that now that everyone is back in the market to buy, there isn't any available. And the Chinese are now buying computers in numbers. Can you imagine a flood of 1,000,000,000 Chinese buyers looking for desktops?

Micron had a 24% (YoY) surge in revenues!!!
 
This is what happens when most of your internal resources (engineers) are busy doing development on a x86 cpu. This x86 cpu also explains Nvidia being so hostile toward Intel. Graphics chip makers should make graphics chips. Failure to do so only makes Nvidia's GPU business weaker and less competitive.
 
niconx said:
This is what happens when most of your internal resources (engineers) are busy doing development on a x86 cpu. This x86 cpu also explains Nvidia being so hostile toward Intel. Graphics chip makers should make graphics chips. Failure to do so only makes Nvidia's GPU business weaker and less competitive.
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Is there like, any proof of that? At all? Although it's a reasonable assumption, there's really been no confirmation that NVIDIA is working on anything x86. Their focuses are Tegra (for phones and consoles, where most revenue is) and programmable GPU stuff for the professional market.
 
Charlie had originally discussed a while back that nvidia's 40mm? card had yielded %2 gain and they ended up scrapping the whole thing. This ended up being slightly accurate so I'm not particularly surprised and I just don't see nvidia having anything to bring to the table even going into the 2nd quarter.
 
Makes sense - hard to launch a new product line within a few months' time with no mass produced silicon behind it. I'll echo the "wouldn't be surprised to see it pushed back further" sentiment. Right now I'll believe it when I see it...until then, Jen-Hsun Huang (thank you google) can keep holding up all the 'supposed' cards he wants to.
 
Will they focus on getting units out for the high performance computing field first, or is Fermi just the collective name now?

I like it how it says that everything but the GTX 2XX cards are meant to compete against AMD cards, it's getting easier to find 5850s than those.
 
Dang! This is a lose for the consumer. Looks like I'll have to wait until my B-Day to upgrade.
 
Glad I already got a 5870, $379 almost looks like a steal with current pricing over $400 and perhaps going to rise with increasing ram prices, and without competition from Nv til late Q1 early Q2.
 
No reason to celebrate Nvidia's woes. Two strong, healthy GPU companies competing and beating the helloutta each other is so much better for consumers.
 
Self-correction:
Mr. Wolf said:
No reason to celebrate Nvidia's woes (unless you own lots of AMD stock). Two strong, healthy GPU companies competing and beating the helloutta each other is so much better for consumers.
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zero2dash said:
Makes sense - hard to launch a new product line within a few months' time with no mass produced silicon behind it. I'll echo the "wouldn't be surprised to see it pushed back further" sentiment. Right now I'll believe it when I see it...until then, Jen-Hsun Huang (thank you google) can keep holding up all the 'supposed' cards he wants to.
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Well, he has G300 cards. Just too bad they're made of wood, and completely non-functional.
 
I got to say that this is nothing new. Were all expecting Nvidia to have a launch at some date and in some form but it would have been better if they didn't some of their press releases so negative and focus more on what and when they will be able to supply the market.

Needless to say is that ATI looks better each day now.
 
This is great news for AMD. I think in the long term it's also going to be better for consumers if the market is split 50/50 instead of 30/60 like it has traditionally been. AMD has almost never had a large share of the market, even when they have the superior product. This is their chance to make a move and be a much more serious competitor in the market.

This could end the TWIMTBP crap that NVIDIA's been pulling. No game should be optimized for either red or green team, and having the market share split 50/50 would be a huge incentive to not make games optimized for a certain team. This would keep them even and create even better competition in the long run, which is a giant win for consumers.

But, until NVIDIA releases FERMI, we're in for a rough time. If you don't feel like paying 400 for a 5870, I'd suggest just buying another card (whatever team you're playing for) and going SLI or crossfire. 4870s can be had for ~140USD and they give you roughly the same performance as a 5870 when the 4870s are in crossfire. When NVIDIA gets their stuff together, you should be able to snag a 5x70 or a Fermi for a much better price in the fall or summer.

Yeah, this winter is going to be a bad time for consumers thanks to both teams, but in the end the market share ATI gains will even out the playing field and it will create much better competition.
 
Mr. Wolf said:
No reason to celebrate Nvidia's woes. Two strong, healthy GPU companies competing and beating the helloutta each other is so much better for consumers.
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I guess Nvidia should have thought about that before this fiasco.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
I guess Nvidia should have thought about that before this fiasco.
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I didn't know nVidia had anything to do with the fab issues at TSMC. :rolleyes:
Maybe I'm missing some news tidbit here but AFAIK they're having low yield problems which is pushing everything back; that's not nV's fault.
 
They have said all along Q1 and guess what that's still within that time frame.
Way to reword stuff to make NV look bad, the cards will come, the games will still be their, and kids will cry no matter what its how the cycle of life works on the inter-web.
 
Guess I'll be waiting even longer before I buy another card. I want an ATI card, just waiting for a big price drop.
 
MADOGRE said:
They have said all along Q1 and guess what that's still within that time frame.
Way to reword stuff to make NV look bad, the cards will come, the games will still be their, and kids will cry no matter what its how the cycle of life works on the inter-web.
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I think it was Nvidia who said November 2009, then said by the end of the year,

as far as i know, people have been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt by saying January/February.

Q1 or not, March isn't good. we could even go so far as to say 2010.. (March 2010 is still 2010). But no matter what large timeframe they gave, bottom line is March is not what they've been trying for and not what they have been alluding too.

the only thing that has happened is Nvidia is finally being honest to their AIB's and their consumers.

At this point though, i wouldn't be suprised to see more of Nvidia AIBs go both camps like MSI,XFX and Asus. Will we be seeing an eVGA or BFG ATI 58xx in the near future?
 
This is nothing to do with the TSMC problem....It is simply that Nvidia's Fermi is not ready.....granted if it were ready then the problems at TSMC would be even worse for them because of their large chip size but that is not the problem at the moment.

Some have speculated that the problems at TSMC have been arranged by Nvidia in order to hobble ATi's production while Nvidia play catch up....but that is only speculation based on the unusual nature of the problems at TSMC which should have been spotted and rectified in hours not the months it actually took and of course taking into account Nvidia's track record of fair play :\
 
And what is even worse to accept, Charlie was right too .
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Having looked at his recent record, I'm not so sure why you hold him in so much contempt. As much as he hates NVidia, it seems he's right (more or less) more often than not.

This is nothing to do with the TSMC problem....It is simply that Nvidia's Fermi is not ready.....granted if it were ready then the problems at TSMC would be even worse for them because of their large chip size but that is not the problem at the moment.
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I bet it'd be ready a hell of a lot quicker if TSMC weren't screwing up the 40nm process yield.
 
Well this news is bad for those who depend on the highest end Nvidia cards for Folding.
 
^^ Yeah, no sh*t. I wish they'd get off their asses and get the new tech out. Or, alternately, that Stanford would get new clients out (esp ATI GPU in this case).
 
Mr. Pedantic said:
Having looked at his recent record, I'm not so sure why you hold him in so much contempt. As much as he hates NVidia, it seems he's right (more or less) more often than not.
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I wasn't aware of who charlie was until I noticed people posting and condemning his Nvidia musings so I still don't really get it because he's been spot in all of his conspiracy posts in the last 6 months. I imagine the shoe will drop eventually and he'll be completely wrong on something but it being semi-accurate I take it for what it's worth nothing more nothing less.

I came really close to buying an HD4890 as that's been the smoking deal of 2009, but I'm still a bit of an Nvidia Fanboy. It's not that I heart Nvidia so much as I've found many AMD card reviews incidentally noting variations in image quality and driver issues. I'm just not sold. I don't mind AMD getting the upperhand though. Getting a dirt cheap GTX275 out of Nvidia's boat sinking doesn't bother me one bit.
 
zero2dash said:
I didn't know nVidia had anything to do with the fab issues at TSMC. :rolleyes:
Maybe I'm missing some news tidbit here but AFAIK they're having low yield problems which is pushing everything back; that's not nV's fault.
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If Nvidia had a product to launch, it would be on the market. They don't.

There are still some bumps in the road with regards to the TSMC 40nm process, but yields are pretty good on the AMD 5xxx series right now. The yield problems Nvidia might be having are most likely due to issues with the engineering. AMD has had their cards out since September, if little ol' red can do it and big bad green can't, I would have to assume it is safe to say Nvidia fucked up.
 
Mr. Pedantic said:
Having looked at his recent record, I'm not so sure why you hold him in so much contempt. As much as he hates NVidia, it seems he's right (more or less) more often than not.
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That's only because as of late NV's been having terrible problems. Charlie was saying exactly the same things about NV a few years ago when the 8800 was eating the 2600's lunch. He slams NV constantly regardless of what is actually going on. He's like ATI PR except more vitriolic and less objective.
 
I picked up an ATI 5870 during the initial launch while they were still $379. The cards are worth $400, folks need to stop wishing and bitching about the $400 price (but I agree that it sucks that the price went up in the first place). However, you do get great performance and features for the money.

I don't know what's going on over there in the green camp but they need to straighten that shit out and get a competitive product out on the shelves. Anything to help bring the prices back down. Newegg is approaching Maximum Rapage®™ territory with pricing north of $450 for slightly overclocked models and $429 for standard clocked cards.
 
Nvidia delays Fermi to June 2010 (headline we will be reading in 2 months).This thing is going to be like the GTX280. It's going to cost $600 and nobody is going to buy it except for those people who have more money than they know what to do with.
 
While I firmly believe that Fermi will be to this generation what the Geforce FX 5800 Ultra was to it's generation (big promises, terribly late, hot running and slower than ATI competition). It is still needed and the sooner the better. ATI is overpricing there cards right now (when people think $280 for a Radeon 5850 is a deal...I feel sad..I paid $260 at launch), and competition will only help. While I doubt Fermi will be replacing my 5850 any time soon, I do hope nVidia is smart and it's cheaper varients (ie $109-$150) would perform around GTX275 level, as THAT would be a steal.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
e yield problems Nvidia might be having are most likely due to issues with the engineering. AMD has had their cards out since September, if little ol' red can do it and big bad green can't, I would have to assume it is safe to say Nvidia fucked up.
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Agreed...nVidia went to a knife fight with a rocket launcher, and this time it backfired on them. (or killed them via splash damage if you must :D)

As a Folder & Team 33 member - any nV delays puts a :( on my face.
I'd like to see the new GPU3 client come out ASAP and give ATi's cards respectable PPD #s, but that's still pretty much up in the air.
 
tesfaye said:
I picked up an ATI 5870 during the initial launch while they were still $379. The cards are worth $400, folks need to stop wishing and bitching about the $400 price (but I agree that it sucks that the price went up in the first place). However, you do get great performance and features for the money.
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Most people don't realize that one of the reasons, if not the main/only one, is that the cost of materials went UP and therefore you as the buyer get to absorb the price increase. And yeah, people honestly need to *stop* B&M'ing over the price. The MSRP is no longer the original Amazon-had-it-for-this-price-on-pre-order price. People need to stop quoting those older prices as the MSRP.

I bet AMD is dancing in the streets over this announcement and rubbing it in hard. More sales of 58xx series cards with no honest competition for even longer = happy AMD stockholders LOL.
 
I have 3 gtx 280's and 9800 gt for physX. Hey I can wait. ALlows me more time to save. I am not ready to go back to ATI. So its one of few times ATI/AMD has come first. Nvidia had lead for so long. Its good for competition keeps prices from being inflated. Yes, Nvidia missed the boat big time. I am sure they will get cash from tegra chips. Its just matter of time maybe last quarter of 2010 Nvidia will level the field. Keep in mind its finally a new chipset. I am hoping 4th quarter at latest.
 
Night_Hawk-19 said:
I have 3 gtx 280's and 9800 gt for physX. Hey I can wait. ALlows me more time to save. I am not ready to go back to ATI. So its one of few times ATI/AMD has come first. Nvidia had lead for so long. Its good for competition keeps prices from being inflated. Yes, Nvidia missed the boat big time. I am sure they will get cash from tegra chips. Its just matter of time maybe last quarter of 2010 Nvidia will level the field. Keep in mind its finally a new chipset. I am hoping 4th quarter at latest.
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I wouldn't count on it. By end of 2010 AMD which is 100% likely to already be developing its next gen will most likely be out, while nVidia who has to wait till march 6 months after to release current gen in terms of video cards in general. They will be behind thats all there is to it.
 
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