Dell U2410

[vjcsmoke]

Mouse and keyboard, still using cheapo mouse and keyboard from my old P4 Northwood system

Splurged all the cash on the U2410 first, since I have a backlog of 1080p videos to watch I decided to get the monitor first instead.

I found it hard to play the game without using max mouse sensitivity though, since you can't shoot on the move, and your character behaves like a FPS sniper standing up while aiming (takes forever to turn, can't even hold a pistol without swaying, etc.)

If you hit the X or C button that makes you do a quick 180. I've been playing RE5 a lot lately myself. The quick turn button is nice. I forget for sure if it's X or C but it's one of them. I found that I kinda instinctively reach down with my finger and push it when I need to spin around.

PS Can someone comment on the reported 'graininess' of the U2410 display or better yet put up a picture to show what it looks like? I think that might bother me. I didn't notice it in HardOCP's Eyefinity review with their 3xU2410 but then again the video quality wasn't exactly high enough to tell either.

 

[Jodiuh]

So without reading it all, is this U2410 better than my 3 years old S-IPS 2007WFP?

For games and movies, without a doubt. For txt and web, not so much. Viewing angles are weaker, whites seem to dark unless brightness cranked, and there's a red hologram tint when looking through my glasses. That said, my 2007WFP has now been relegated to secondary monitor duties.

I had a much more enjoyable time with a gamepad on my Batman adventures and a firingsquad article indicates I'd be better off with a controller as well. It's just not enough of a shooter to work well with the mou/key. That and this 24" monitor really allows me to ease back into my 12yr old leather recliner and get a near console relaxed experience. Yet another advantage moving from my 2007WFP.

If by graininess you're referring to the AG matte coating on the screen, i'd say it's no worse than the 2007WFP, perhaps less noticeable.

 

[yimingwuzere]

I heard that the HP LP2475W has the best black levels of any LCD

Can't find it in any retail store over here (I'm from Malaysia btw), and HP's Malaysian website lists it at ~3400MYR. I paid 1650MYR (approx. 486 usd) for the U2410. Makes no sense paying more than double for a slightly better monitor that uses the same panel, imho.

yeah HP's site is certainly outdated but considering the lack of availability of it I went with the dell.

 

[Askanison2]

Can't find it in any retail store over here (I'm from Malaysia btw), and HP's Malaysian website lists it at ~3400MYR. I paid 1650MYR (approx. 486 usd) for the U2410. Makes no sense paying more than double for a slightly better monitor that uses the same panel, imho.

USD free falling now, may not be a very good comparison in price. U2410 was selling at RM1599 unless you op. for the 5 years warranty.

 

[yimingwuzere]

Mine's the 5 year warranty, bought it from a reseller.

 

[Morrisvald]

question: about U2410

Ok If I get i right , you all are talking about dithering in sRGB mode.
In standard mode there is no dithering and the response -time is much better, right?

- How does it look when playing games in "game mode" ? game mode= wide gamut?
I you for an example play World of Warcraft how would the colors look like in game mode?

could anyone post any images while gaming in wide gamut "game mode"

 

[yimingwuzere]

game mode has washed out reds and greens. only used it for like 5 seconds, so can't really comment much on it.

 

[Jodiuh]

"game mode"

I commented on this not more than 2 days ago.

 

[overclocky]

Hello!

I'm new on this forum, but I followed this thread from the beginning. But just as I was about to buy this U2410, I saw how many of you have not been statisfied with it. So, my question is, should I get (cheaper for about 80€ in my country) the LP2475w or this U2410? And the alternative is 2408WFP, but it's more expensive than both of those.
I will primarily use monitor for programming, web browsing, playing games and watching movies. Is that wide gamut as annoying as they say? (for the reference, I currently own Samsung 971P - a great monitor, but rather small).

 

[Kuro]

The question I've asked Dell is, is it too much to ask of Dell that I don't get a new U2410 that doesn't have tint issues, or dead, or lit pixels? Because I've given Dell not one, not two, not three, but FOUR chances, and so far the answer is yes - this is too much to ask of Dell and their U2410.

The icing on the cake is, if I want to fix the clear black level/dither issues Adobe/SRGB mode has, I must inflict this stressful panel lottery process on myself again. I was reporting the sRGB/Adobe mode issue several weeks ago elsewhere btw, but I should have probably have posted about that on the Dell forum..

I share the same experience similar to yours. My first U2410 has no dead pixel but there was a pink tint on the lower right and greenish tint towards the left. I calibrated it using i1 Display 2 and the green tint problem was still there. The problem was mild, but hack, I thought I asked Dell replace it.

The 2nd one came, and the screen is much more uniform to the point that I can accept it, but sure enough, there is a red stuck pixel (green and blue pixel won't turn on).

The 2nd unit is also a returned unit resealed with some white tapes with red letters. It is obvious that the first person returned it because he saw a dead pixel.

I'm not sure what to do. Should I ask for a refund and try my luck and order another U2410? Or should I spend more and look for a Eizo LCD, one that I can inspect before I pay?

PS - I love the Apple 24" LED Cinema Display. It is the most uniform and crisp display I've seen, even viewed off-axis. I'd have bought it if it has at least a DVI input

 

[Kuro]

Is that wide gamut as annoying as they say? (for the reference, I currently own Samsung 971P - a great monitor, but rather small).

You should set the U2410 in sRGB mode in order to get correct color displayed in Windows - even Win 7 does not manage the Desktop / wallpaper color. Win 7 should have used the monitor profile and adjust the color when a wide gamut display is used.

If you put the U2410 in Standard mode, the color will look over saturated and dark. Since 99% of photo contents on the web are sRGB based, MS didn't even bother to get Win 7 color managed (not IE8, not Desktop, not wallpaper).

If you use Mac, then you can enjoy the wide color gamut offered, as everything there is color managed.

 

[jeong]

If I were you, I'd ask for a 2nd replacement and if they refuse, then I'd just get my money back. Here in Canada my U2410 cost me $850+ and luckily I didn't have any problem out of the box. Still loving it and this is exactly how I'd expect a high-end LCD panel to behave, nothing less. A dead/stuck/bright pixel in a sub 600-dollar 24" display is utterly unacceptable regardless of any technical flaws the product may undergo during manufacture imo. If I'm not content w/ a product, then it's either my way or the high way, period.

 

[webbyboy]

I'm getting my 3th replacement monitor, so total i've been through 4 monitors, all of them doesn't have any pixel problem but obvious tinting problems.

 

[PatK]

I share the same experience similar to yours. My first U2410 has no dead pixel but there was a pink tint on the lower right and greenish tint towards the left. I calibrated it using i1 Display 2 and the green tint problem was still there. The problem was mild, but hack, I thought I asked Dell replace it.

The 2nd one came, and the screen is much more uniform to the point that I can accept it, but sure enough, there is a red stuck pixel (green and blue pixel won't turn on).

The 2nd unit is also a returned unit resealed with some white tapes with red letters. It is obvious that the first person returned it because he saw a dead pixel.

I'm not sure what to do. Should I ask for a refund and try my luck and order another U2410? Or should I spend more and look for a Eizo LCD, one that I can inspect before I pay?

PS - I love the Apple 24" LED Cinema Display. It is the most uniform and crisp display I've seen, even viewed off-axis. I'd have bought it if it has at least a DVI input

The Apple displays aren't immune to uniformity tinting issues either apparently, as there are posts on their forum complaining about it.

Calibrating doesn't fix the tint issue because the problem is that one half of the screen is in disagreement with the other half. You'd need a way to adjust each individually, and the U2410 does not provide this. The new Eizo 24" LCD comes with the ability to calibrate different zones independently of one another so they more closely match. This basically makes things like tint uniformity a non issue on these screens, because they can adjust for it. It would be great if Dell could add something like that, now that they have a LUT in the U2410. Although it would mean that some screens, which come with worse uniformity, would have to have lower contrast than others in order to accommodate the differences. But it'd be a lot better than the current situation with pink in the bottom left and greens or blues in the top right etc.

I am now on screen 5, and that also has a half-dead pixel (it's not quite as bright as the rest). Fortunately it's right off in the corner, so I've decided to live with it. But that means out of 5 screens 3 had dead/lit pixels, and 2 had tint uniformity issues, one mild, one severe.

 

[PatK]

Ok, people were asking for comparisons between U2410 sRGB and Game mode, so here's a few quick screenshots of each side by side.

It's difficult to capture the difference, but the main difference (when viewed in person) is the reds on sRGB mode tend to actually look orange when compared to full gamut modes like game mode, which have very vivid reds.

Unless you've got good reason to (print matching etc) the best mode for the U2410 is definitely custom colour mode - if you're doing the adjustments by eye - or standard mode - if you're going to calibrate it. The dithering bug currently present in Adobe/sRGB mode is actually pretty noticeable on darker images and makes everything dark take on a grainy appearance, as well as hide everything below an RGB value of 6 on the Lagom black level test. The applies to all U2410's, at least until a firmware may fix the problem. In Custom/Standard mode you can see right down to square one and up to 254. Just turn down the red and magenta saturation in custom mode if you want a fix for wide gamut issues.. It will provide visually superior results to these other modes currently, unless you have a big need to have accurate print colours etc.

More red differences..

Again, sRGB mode left, game mode right. In this image you can see, if you look at the column to the left of the red armour, that game mode boosts things so it's easier to see in shadows. So you won't be missing any shadow details in this mode. The wide gamut may be annoying in some games, but I've found I actually prefer its look under some games too..

The XP Log off screen shows it's not just greens and reds which can have big differences..

 

[Kuro]

The Apple displays aren't immune to uniformity tinting issues either apparently, as there are posts on their forum complaining about it.

Calibrating doesn't fix the tint issue because the problem is that one half of the screen is in disagreement with the other half. You'd need a way to adjust each individually, and the U2410 does not provide this. The new Eizo 24" LCD comes with the ability to calibrate different zones independently of one another so they more closely match. This basically makes things like tint uniformity a non issue on these screens, because they can adjust for it. It would be great if Dell could add something like that, now that they have a LUT in the U2410. Although it would mean that some screens, which come with worse uniformity, would have to have lower contrast than others in order to accommodate the differences. But it'd be a lot better than the current situation with pink in the bottom left and greens or blues in the top right etc.

I am now on screen 5, and that also has a half-dead pixel (it's not quite as bright as the rest). Fortunately it's right off in the corner, so I've decided to live with it. But that means out of 5 screens 3 had dead/lit pixels, and 2 had tint uniformity issues, one mild, one severe.

No, Apple LED Cinema display does not have tinting issue. They have a color shifting issue that was related to the OS X. It has since been fixed with Snow Leopard.

Did you have a refund and reorder or just exchange for your screen 5?

It looks like your screen 5 is my screen 2, in which I'm trying to decide whether I'm going to live with a half dead pixel.

If not, I'm going to have a refund on my Dell, and get the Eizo SX2463W locally so that I can inspect the panel before I pay.

 

[Kuro]

Ok, people were asking for comparisons between U2410 sRGB and Game mode, so here's a few quick screenshots of each side by side.

It's difficult to capture the difference, but the main difference (when viewed in person) is the reds on sRGB mode tend to actually look orange when compared to full gamut modes like game mode, which have very vivid reds.

Unless you've got good reason to (print matching etc) the best mode for the U2410 is definitely custom colour mode - if you're doing the adjustments by eye - or standard mode - if you're going to calibrate it. The dithering bug currently present in Adobe/sRGB mode is actually pretty noticeable on darker images and makes everything dark take on a grainy appearance, as well as hide everything below an RGB value of 6 on the Lagom black level test. The applies to all U2410's, at least until a firmware may fix the problem. In Custom/Standard mode you can see right down to square one and up to 254. Just turn down the red and magenta saturation in custom mode if you want a fix for wide gamut issues.. It will provide visually superior results to these other modes currently, unless you have a big need to have accurate print colours etc.

To me, it is important to get accurate color, not artifical colors that may perhaps please my eyes.

Windows and all the games written there are based on sRGB space. Naturally, one should use the U2410 in sRGB - unless you're using Photoshop with Adobe RGB, then you may want to use the monitor in Standard or Adobe RGB mode for more accurate color reproduction.

The dithering problem is due the color space mapping from a narrower color space to a wide gamut color space. In dark areas where the pixels are close in color space in sRGB becomes much further apart in a wide gamut color space. This cause the two values to have colors that are much wider apart, hence you see the banding effect. I don't think this is a firmware issue at all.

 

[niknakk]

i got mineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! oh yeah oh yeah..!

i hand-adjusted the colors to my choice, aided with the lagom.com calibration tests...everything is just jaw-dropping gorgeous in my opinion.

im no color professional or scientist, but i compared it with my current Dell 2005wfp and holy crap. the colors POP on this U2410!! i recently bought a dell 2408wfp just in August, i hated it, it had color shift problems, though the colors were alright..sent it back cause i just couldnt get used to the "pva-tech".. but this u2410 i got now...best $500bucks i've spent in the past 4 years

the unit i have gotten is flawless, there is absolutely zero-tinting, color shifting, graininess, dead/stuck pixels..!! omgomgomg.

i'll be doing a in-depth personal-review (i guess it will appeal more to us 'average consumer' with shallow-average knowledge of color/monitor technology), along with full pletora of pictures, with comparisons to my dell 2005 monitor. i'll link u guys once i have it done!

as of this point in time, this screen is an absolute beauty. period. im sorry to those that have tinting issues or stuck pixels.. but if u get a perfect unit like mine, you'll be as excited as i am

this is an absolute keeper for me!

edit: oh.. im starting to notice the backlight, it definitely is brighter than the one i have on my 2005 model, perhaps the 2005's bulb is just coming to its time. i notice the brightness 'glows' when the screen's completely black, like its not a full straight flat black, but also do keep in mind, this is just another characteristic of all IPS screens.

also, anyone that has a 'picture' request, like tell me what kind of picture you'd like me to take of this monitor (view angle up/down? dark room? daylight? preset mode? etc.)

 

[terrannova]

Well guys I received my THIRD monitor today and once again a friggen dead pixel. I've decided to return the u2410 and try to order again perhaps in 3-6 months once they iron out all these panels. This sucks that I have to return such amazing monitors because of a single dead pixel.

 

[Jodiuh]

Lol! I would never ever look for a stuck or dead pixel on any of my monitors.

 

[jeong]

The 1st 2 things I inspect for as soon as I receive a LCD is 1. dead/bright/stuck pixel 2. backlight bleeding. Once these 2 are cleared, then I go on and scrutinize other things such as the uneven base stand, pink/red tint, input lag, graininess effect etc which all have been commonly complained about U2410. Out of 5 LCD screens I've owned, I had 1 panel that had 1 dead pixel right in the centre of the screen. It was hella annoying...I mean out of all the places it could have been, right in the centre of the screen, doh...But LG accepted my RMA request and sent me a replacement and became a LG fanboy ever since. If you've gone through their RMA service before, you know you don't pay a penny for the whole process! I think I read somewhere the panel of U2410 is LG made, so basically I never used any other brands other than LG and I think I'm gonna keep at that.

After using this display for nearly 2 weeks, the only display I would ever consider upgrading to is U3010 if there ever will be one. All other displays look kinda blurry after getting used to U2410. Dell has earned a customer for life w/ this purchase!!

 

[PatK]

No, Apple LED Cinema display does not have tinting issue. They have a color shifting issue that was related to the OS X. It has since been fixed with Snow Leopard.

Yes, they CAN have it too, as threads like this on Apple's support forums prove..
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1879966&tstart=1

Did you have a refund and reorder or just exchange for your screen 5?

I went both the exchange and refund route. The only reason I went the refund route was I wasn't confident in the quality of what Dell was exchanging, but one of the screens I bought new had tint issues too.

 

[PatK]

The dithering problem is due the color space mapping from a narrower color space to a wide gamut color space. In dark areas where the pixels are close in color space in sRGB becomes much further apart in a wide gamut color space. This cause the two values to have colors that are much wider apart, hence you see the banding effect. I don't think this is a firmware issue at all.

It's not dither, in the classic sense of the word. Use a test like Lagom black and move the squares around - The pattern is static. This isn't traditional dither, but it is likely related to some sort of incorrect behavior with the LUT. Anyway, Dell say there will be a firmware fix, so time will tell how well they can fix it.

 

[webbyboy]

It's not dither, in the classic sense of the word. Use a test like Lagom black and move the squares around - The pattern is static. This isn't traditional dither, but it is likely related to some sort of incorrect behavior with the LUT. Anyway, Dell say there will be a firmware fix, so time will tell how well they can fix it.

MKay, will you be changing your panel again after they fix the sRGB/Adobe black problems?

 

[overclocky]

Well, by the looks of this, I will most probably wait for a later revision, with fixed firmware. I hope that they can get it fix as soon as possible.

 

[polonyc2]

Once these 2 are cleared, then I go on and scrutinize other things such as the uneven base stand, pink/red tint, input lag, graininess effect etc ..

so you're saying that the U2410 does not have any of those things??

seems like many people are saying the opposite

 

[Morrisvald]

What would be the better chose right now? DELL 2209WA or DELL U2410? If you would compare these two screens picture quality , is there a huge difference?

 

[Snowdog]

What would be the better chose right now? DELL 2209WA or DELL U2410? If you would compare these two screens picture quality , is there a huge difference?

If you don't need the size, go with the 2209wa.

It is MUCH less expensive.
It is native sRGB so you don't have to worry about dithering in a sRGB emulation mode.
It can run with no lag (with normal color) at up to a real 76Hz refresh making it a better gaming screen.

Other than that they are both LG IPS screens and have the same uniformity/tint/of angle glow issues.

 

[jeong]

so you're saying that the U2410 does not have any of those things??

seems like many people are saying the opposite

True, I've read numerous complaints about those. But I don't notice any of that. Granted, I'm not a picky or sensitive guy, so my opinion is strictly a 3rd person point of view, which probably will not substitute for your own unless viewed in person. But because there have been many complaints about this monitor doesn't necessarily imply all the people who own it will equally complain about the very same issues. And I'm pretty sure there are number of positive reviews as well noting little/none of the raised issues.

For example, take the uneven base stand. After reading about this, I was annoyed, but I had already made my order then. So I was skeptical to be honest. Once I got it, just to make sure I measured the distance from my desk table to the tip of the edge of the panel at each end w/ a ruler. Not a terribly accurate way to measure I'm sure but still better than just eyeballing. The numbers I got were pretty much identical and the difference of these 2 (< 1mm) was well-within the margin of error. The grainy screen is another thing. Some described it as seeing images through a dirty glass or something similar to that effect. Honestly? I don't know what they're talking about. Everything seems as clear as they can be. The only difference b/w U2410 and my other monitors is colours are so much more vibrant and crispier. Also in regards to the input lag: I'm a pretty hardcore Crysis Wars player. Scar + laser + assault scope being my favourite combo as it would be for any semi-skilled or above players, I've been playing as much as I can in my spare time and input lag? Never noticed it. Likewise, backlight bleeding? Absolute zero. pink/red or any other tint? None. Uneven colour uniformity issue? Again, none, at least for my U2410 that is. The reason why I like this monitor so much is b/c my other screens: 2 TNs, 2 VA panels failed in some areas. For example, my beloved LG L246WP-BN P-MVA panel. It had a very minor backlight bleeding along the upper right edges. You can almost never notice it unless stared w/ room light off at night. Not 100% perfect, but well within my level of tolerance. Another thing was uniformity issue. My LG 246 fails in this test especially viewed under dark gray backgrounds. Sometimes whenever I visit forums w/ dark gray at the back like SLI zone, I could see the stain embedded inside the monitor.

Conclusion: monitor experience is subject to your very personal preference/taste/purpose of use/acceptance level. Hence no amount of 3rd person opinions will do enough justice unless tried by oneself. My review is unlikely to entirely coincide w/ everyone else's but I'm glad I'm content w/ it so far. I think they have 30-day money back guarantee on U2410, so why not give it a whirl?

 

[Sublym3]

So is the Dell U2410 a good monitor?

I can get a pretty good discount on them.

Are there any better 24" 1920x1200 monitors out there?

 

[PatK]

will you be changing your panel again after they fix the sRGB/Adobe black problems?

No. I'm happy to live in standard/custom mode and just use sRGB/Adobe to check things sometimes. As I've said, I think the main reason the average end user would want to use sRGB mode is to avoid the problems with wide gamut displays using applications which aren't color managed. To me you can actually achieve a better compromise by simply turning down the saturation in custom mode. With some tweaking you can end up making it look almost exactly like Adobe mode, but without the wide gamut issues. If you need accurate colours then you can also calibrate standard mode, which is what I'll probably do..

Also, another thing I noticed is that sRGB mode can cause a loss in contrast, giving everything a "washed out" appearance. Part of this may be related to the current bug meaning black levels don't appear as they should. But, if I recall correctly, this contrast loss was worse on some screens than others. I'd rather not have such visual compromise just to reach a particular colour space. It amuses me how people talk about sRGB mode, but fail to notice all these compromises to visual quality that it's currently doing, and then attempt to argue you're not better off in another mode. I guess, for some people, obeying a particular colour space is more important than their own eyes abilities to see fine detail in blacks, whites, and colours. With careful adjustments the colour differences are generally minimal to the extreme anyway..

I won't exchange the panel, if I can help it, because the risk of screens with either dead pixels or tint issues (or both) seems higher than getting one without either issue currently. The nice thing about this current one, with a half dead pixel, is if you view it from enough of an angle the half-dead pixel actually becomes almost invisible, so it's easy to ignore. I doubt I'll be that lucky if I attempt to exchange it! So there'd have to be a longer list of improvements for me to want to take the risk..

 

[PatK]

For example, take the uneven base stand. After reading about this, I was annoyed, but I had already made my order then.

The base stand is a non issue. It's a simple screw driver fix, required because someone in the factory didn't line things up properly.

The grainy screen is another thing. Some described it as seeing images through a dirty glass or something similar to that effect. Honestly? I don't know what they're talking about.

Go quite close to the screen (less than 12") and view an entirely white background for what looks like dirt on the screen. Having said that, the issue doesn't bother me as you generally can't notice it unless you're looking for it.

input lag? Never noticed it.

The U2410 has a through mode for gaming anyway. Input lag isn't so much something you'll really notice unless it starts going above 2 frames. It's more the fact that suddenly people online are kicking your ass. People tend to notice this more than the delay Some Quake type games are extremely sensitive to delay, and - if you're playing at a high enough level - you WILL notice a difference in your results if you're playing with 20ms higher latency than others.

Likewise, backlight bleeding? Absolute zero.

The U2410 is one of the best screens I've seen in this regard. I'm sure there's some exceptions to this rule, but it's a minimal worry.

pink/red or any other tint? None. Uneven colour uniformity issue? Again, none, at least for my U2410 that is.

Some people are a lot less sensitive to these changes than others. Consider how many people find the colour shifting on TN panels absolutely acceptable. Although that's a separate issue entirely, the point is some people are a lot less visually picky than others. Likewise the 3/5 screens I had didn't have tint issues. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and in some cases it is actually severe enough that I'd say Dell shouldn't be allowing those screens past their quality control.

Conclusion: monitor experience is subject to your very personal preference/taste/purpose of use/acceptance level. Hence no amount of 3rd person opinions will do enough justice unless tried by oneself.

That's really very true, and your points are good ones. The one caveat I'd attach to that is to keep in mind that some U2410's are simply a lot better than others when it comes to consistency and flaws. I've had some of these screens side by side, and the difference is VERY apparent. If someone tends to be the type that wouldn't notice these sorts of things I'd advise them to save a lot of money and get a TN panel instead, unless they really need the viewing angles.

 

[niknakk]

i got mineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! oh yeah oh yeah..!

i hand-adjusted the colors to my choice, aided with the lagom.com calibration tests...everything is just jaw-dropping gorgeous in my opinion.

im no color professional or scientist, but i compared it with my current Dell 2005wfp and holy crap. the colors POP on this U2410!! i recently bought a dell 2408wfp just in August, i hated it, it had color shift problems, though the colors were alright..sent it back cause i just couldnt get used to the "pva-tech".. but this u2410 i got now...best $500bucks i've spent in the past 4 years

the unit i have gotten is flawless, there is absolutely zero-tinting, color shifting, graininess, dead/stuck pixels..!! omgomgomg.

i'll be doing a in-depth personal-review (i guess it will appeal more to us 'average consumer' with shallow-average knowledge of color/monitor technology), along with full pletora of pictures, with comparisons to my dell 2005 monitor. i'll link u guys once i have it done!

as of this point in time, this screen is an absolute beauty. period. im sorry to those that have tinting issues or stuck pixels.. but if u get a perfect unit like mine, you'll be as excited as i am

this is an absolute keeper for me!

edit: oh.. im starting to notice the backlight, it definitely is brighter than the one i have on my 2005 model, perhaps the 2005's bulb is just coming to its time. i notice the brightness 'glows' when the screen's completely black, like its not a full straight flat black, but also do keep in mind, this is just another characteristic of all IPS screens.

also, anyone that has a 'picture' request, like tell me what kind of picture you'd like me to take of this monitor (view angle up/down? dark room? daylight? preset mode? etc.)

im starting to believe all the issues coming from these people bout the U2410, is from the UK continent? im in the US, mine shipped off from Tennessee, USA. I've since bought the Dell 2408wfp and U2410 from the US, both having left the factory in Tennessee...both arrived at my place flawless, perfect, and zero of the commonly-read complaints for either models of the screen.

I was worried that i'd end up with a dud monitor, "judging" from how many people are complaining bout theirs...

but seriously, you simply, wont, know. until.

you.

get.

one.

then..keep or return is up to u, the entire return process is free. the delivery man brings the screen up to ur door, and if u want to send it back, u leave it at ur door pretty much as well for the delivery man.


if the monitor really was such a "horrible purchase" , CNET and TFTCentral and other highly-rated monitor websites would not have given this U2410 such a great review/high score.


its my 2nd day here owning the u2410, i've hooked up my computer, laptop, and ps3 to it, and holyshit...its jaw-dropping.

(and i come from a dell 2005wfp model, not some crappy samsung TN shit.)

 

[jeong]

The base stand is a non issue. It's a simple screw driver fix, required because someone in the factory didn't line things up properly.

Go quite close to the screen (less than 12") and view an entirely white background for what looks like dirt on the screen. Having said that, the issue doesn't bother me as you generally can't notice it unless you're looking for it.

The U2410 has a through mode for gaming anyway. Input lag isn't so much something you'll really notice unless it starts going above 2 frames. It's more the fact that suddenly people online are kicking your ass. People tend to notice this more than the delay Some Quake type games are extremely sensitive to delay, and - if you're playing at a high enough level - you WILL notice a difference in your results if you're playing with 20ms higher latency than others.

The U2410 is one of the best screens I've seen in this regard. I'm sure there's some exceptions to this rule, but it's a minimal worry.

Some people are a lot less sensitive to these changes than others. Consider how many people find the colour shifting on TN panels absolutely acceptable. Although that's a separate issue entirely, the point is some people are a lot less visually picky than others. Likewise the 3/5 screens I had didn't have tint issues. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and in some cases it is actually severe enough that I'd say Dell shouldn't be allowing those screens past their quality control.

That's really very true, and your points are good ones. The one caveat I'd attach to that is to keep in mind that some U2410's are simply a lot better than others when it comes to consistency and flaws. I've had some of these screens side by side, and the difference is VERY apparent. If someone tends to be the type that wouldn't notice these sorts of things I'd advise them to save a lot of money and get a TN panel instead, unless they really need the viewing angles.

Thx for the analysis. As stated before, I'm a relatively mild guy when it comes to picking out nitty gritty details, so for the most part U2410 works just fine. You mentioned opening up a white background and looking at the clarity of the whiteness. But even after that, I can't really complain about the whiteness of the screen. I don't see any graininess. I have my LG 246 right next to U2410 side-by-side and as I type this, the whites on both screens are consistent throughout except the white on U2410 looks better.

As for the input lag, I don't think I suffer from any "input lag consequences" as ever since I received my U2410, my skills in CW(Crysis Wars) have not even slightly diminished. As a matter of fact, thanks to daily practices I have been gradually improving my skills to the point where I found there's a limit to how much you can improve in public pools. Nowadays I only play in private servers and occasionally go public to blow some steam off my head w/ insanely high K/D ratios (Scar + laser + circle jumps ftw). Of course, as serious as I am about the level of skills I have acquired over the years, I put on gaming mode when I play competitive FPS matches. Red & green saturation in gaming mode isn't as bad as what others may claim, so I found it to be a good compromise at the end of the day. Other than so, sRGB mode serves me well in RPG/MMORPG/cooperative FPS games.

Even though I'm insensitive to most issues raised in this thread, I wouldn't advise against this monitor to similar prospective buyers due to its very rich colours and crispy texts, which are far superior to the TN or even VA counterparts I have owned (and they're not, by any means, bad or even mediocre monitors) and I think everyone will appreciate good colours. Whether one will end up w/ a good batch or not may be the luck of the draw, but at the end of the day I think the risk is certainly worth it especially w/ that 30-day money back guarantee return policy they have.

 

[polonyc2]

so which looks best?...standard mode calibrated?...or sRGB mode?...I hear gaming mode reduces the input lag BUT you are stuck with the wide gamut colors...so there's a compromise there

 

[Jodiuh]

I found Batman unplayable in gaming mode due to so much red tint. Entire caves that weee yellow green have now turned red. I don't understand why we can't just have access to all the color options in every preset. It would be a whole lot easier if the presets saved our color, brightness, contrast changes. :-(

I had a Samsung from 5 yrs ago that could at least keep track of bright/contr through several presets.

 

[Kuro]

It's not dither, in the classic sense of the word. Use a test like Lagom black and move the squares around - The pattern is static. This isn't traditional dither, but it is likely related to some sort of incorrect behavior with the LUT. Anyway, Dell say there will be a firmware fix, so time will tell how well they can fix it.

I went to the Lagom site and found the black dither problem you're talking about. It is not very obvious unless the patch is blow up very large on the screen and also when the room is very dark.

It is hard to say if this can be cured entirely via firmware. And even if Dell fixed this via firmware, it is unknown whether the U2410 firmware is user ugradeable. So far, I've not had a monitor that allows user firmware update.

If I use Standard mode with my i1 calibrated profile, then the black squares look very good, but under Photoshop CS4 only (fully color managed). If not using a proper monitor profile, then the black squares have various red tint on them and incorrect brightness level.

I must say, the Dell U2410 is a lot of value. I just found that Eizo SX2462W (also IPS panel) is more than 3 times the price I paid for my Dell (US$475).

 

[Kuro]

No. I'm happy to live in standard/custom mode and just use sRGB/Adobe to check things sometimes. As I've said, I think the main reason the average end user would want to use sRGB mode is to avoid the problems with wide gamut displays using applications which aren't color managed. To me you can actually achieve a better compromise by simply turning down the saturation in custom mode. With some tweaking you can end up making it look almost exactly like Adobe mode, but without the wide gamut issues. If you need accurate colours then you can also calibrate standard mode, which is what I'll probably do..

What RGBCMY values do you have for Custom mode? I tried reducing R=43 and G=35 (as the wider gamut triangle in Standard mode have deeper red and green compared to sRGB) and did a calibration with i1 Display 2. It just can't get the gamma to 2.2 (only achieved 2.4) and color temperture reached 6200K instead of 6500K. Contrast ratio was approx 750:1. If you read the test report over at tftcentral.co.uk, they have the same problem achieving accurate color calibration in Custom mode. The most accurate color is achieved using Standard / sRGB modes.

Also, it seems that the U2410 repsonses well in reducing the color gamut of red by reducing the R channel in the RGBCMY control. But reducing the G channel does not seem to reduce the green portion of the gamut much. In the case above, even with G=35, the green gamut is still nearly as wide as in the Standard mode.

The problem is that Windows (incluing Win 7) does not color manage the Desktop. Colors in Explorer and Desktop background have incorrect color displayed. This is the primary reason why someone would want to use sRGB over Standard mode.

IMO, between the black dithering issue with sRGB, and incorrect color/color temp/gamma of Custom mode, sRGB has the smaller compromise of the two.

Also, another thing I noticed is that sRGB mode can cause a loss in contrast, giving everything a "washed out" appearance.improvements for me to

My i1 Display 2 calibration using sRGB mode shows a contrast ratio of 630:1. It is respectable and I do not see any washed out issue at all.

 

[Kuro]

I found Batman unplayable in gaming mode due to so much red tint. Entire caves that weee yellow green have now turned red. I don't understand why we can't just have access to all the color options in every preset. It would be a whole lot easier if the presets saved our color, brightness, contrast changes. :-(
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Put the U2410 in sRGB mode and let us know if you see accurate color or not.

 

[Kuro]

im starting to believe all the issues coming from these people bout the U2410, is from the UK continent? im in the US, mine shipped off from Tennessee, USA. I've since bought the Dell 2408wfp and U2410 from the US, both having left the factory in Tennessee...both arrived at my place flawless, perfect, and zero of the commonly-read complaints for either models of the screen.

So is your U2410 made in USA?

I got mine in HK, and it is made in China.

My previous LCDs were Eizo (IPS and VA panels) and also a Dell 19" with Samsung VA panel.

My 1st U2410 has pink/green tint, the 2nd one is more uniform, but has a dead pixel