What is nVidia's short term plan?

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AMD already has their latest flagship card (HD5800) out but what suprises me most is how fast they will be coming out with their mainstream parts as well, the HD 5700 series.

The rumoured spec of the HD5770 is quite similiar to the HD4890 and if it has anywhere near the performance of the HD 4890 with a lower price, lower power consumption and DX11, I think that nVidia could be in trouble. With GT300 or Fermi or what ever it is called still no where to be seen, I think that their mainstream parts would also be late as well.

I think that nVidia will have no other choice but to lower the price of their current offerings. Even when the GT200 were still competing with the HD 4800, I think that the HD 4800 cards are stil cheaper to produce compared to the GT200 cards. Now that the HD4800 cards will be smaller in form of the HD5700, I think that AMD will have the upper hand if nVidia choose to go to a price war. Do nVidia have any GT200 refresh planned to be released anytime soon?
 
They're not looking good given they just had the rug pulled out from underneath them by Intel.

I'd say keeping their chipset force employed is their main goal atm.
 
There have been no rumours of a GT200 refresh that I'm aware of. I would think that if NVIDIA had an "ace in the hole", they would have revealed it by now. I don't think NVIDIA and AIBs have much wiggle room on GTX 2xx pricing at the moment, so I wouldn't expect much action on that front in the next couple months either.

NVIDIA's apparently made a big investment in Fermi, and given the nature of the architecture, it should be able to be scaled down to lower price points without tremendous expense. If I were to guess, I'd guess that Fermi could be competitive in the mid-range against the HD 57xx series, but the catch is that there's going to be a significant wait for that to begin happening.
 
I really hope that waiting for an offer from Intel would not be part of their plans since that would be really bad for AMD, I mean really, really bad.
 
There have been no rumours of a GT200 refresh that I'm aware of. I would think that if NVIDIA had an "ace in the hole", they would have revealed it by now. I don't think NVIDIA and AIBs have much wiggle room on GTX 2xx pricing at the moment, so I wouldn't expect much action on that front in the next couple months either.

NVIDIA's apparently made a big investment in Fermi, and given the nature of the architecture, it should be able to be scaled down to lower price points without tremendous expense. If I were to guess, I'd guess that Fermi could be competitive in the mid-range against the HD 57xx series, but the catch is that there's going to be a significant wait for that to begin happening.

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i dont think nvidia's problem is the enthusiast segment, they can get into it as soon as highend fermi is available.. but mid-range and low-end wait is the problem.
 
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i dont think nvidia's problem is the enthusiast segment, they can get into it as soon as highend fermi is available.. but mid-range and low-end wait is the problem.

I don't get it, why did nVidia not have any GT200 mainstream part? Did they really plan the G92 to be their mainstream parts for the GT200 series?
 
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Nvidia's short term plan was to hold up a GTX 285 at a press conference and say that it was the new GTX 300.
 
It seemed to start out as an actual question, then school got out and the kiddies showed up.
 
I don't get it, why did nVidia not have any GT200 mainstream part? Did they really plan the G92 to be their mainstream parts for the GT200 series?


if i were to guess, i would say nvidia underestimated HD58xx from ati. same like last year with 48xx cards. they probably didnt expect 58xx to be a lot better than gtx285. if 285 was pretty much same as 58xx or just 10-20% slower, then they could just slide 285 to mainstream when fermi takes up the top spot. that could buy them some time to bring out fermi based mainstream cards.. hoping that it will take that long before dx-11 becomes popular
 
Fast forward 3 months and G300.

"Whats ATIs short term plan?"


it depends.. what price? if G300 is same price as 5870 then probably ati is toast... if its expensive then i dont think they would have any issue because they will have 5870x2
 
it depends.. what price? if G300 is same price as 5870 then probably ati is toast... if its expensive then i dont think they would have any issue because they will have 5870x2

nvidia is also planning 2 chips on one card too i bet.
 
Fast forward 3 months and G300.

"Whats ATIs short term plan?"

You mean for their mainstream parts? They have enough parts available for every price segment. Or did you mean for their high end parts? I think that they can slap together two HD5870s in form of HD5870 X2 to compete with a single Fermi without any problem. nVidia could get the performance crown with a dual Fermi card but that's it, the mainstream market is where the money are. Do you think that people care that much about the GTX 295?
 
Fast forward 3 months and G300.

"Whats ATIs short term plan?"
I think the difference is that NVIDIA seems to be genuinely behind schedule. I don't know if they should be considered "panicked," but they certainly seem disorganized. Tech battles naturally go back and forth, but with three months to prepare (and with the 5800's and 5700's tap dancing all over NVIDIA's last-gen), they should be ready for whatever NVIDIA has to offer. I think they are poised for a successful year.
 
I don't know about their short term plan, but if was me, I'd be taking the dissecting the 5870/5850 right now to see what makes her tick and where I can improve performance/iq/features/innovate in my own forthcoming hardware/software.
 
I don't know about their short term plan, but if was me, I'd be taking the dissecting the 5870/5850 to see what makes her tick and where I can improve performance/iq/features/innovate in my own forthcoming hardware/software.
Nvidia Very worried, 3 Weeks

*Already on it*
 
It appears ATI will take over all of the holiday sales this year since Fermi probably won't be out in time...And I can see a huge price drop by ATI when Fermi does hit the market (probably Q1 2010) like ATI usually does...could we see the 5890 around that time frame as well?

I find it hard to believe Nvidia doesn't have something up there sleeve,how could they not see this coming?
 
Nvidia would have to be dumb to waste resources on gt200 refresh, unless they have them happening already than yea its good, but to do it now is as bad as it gets, work hard on getting the gt300 out the door and forget about the gt200, and that exactly seems to be what nvidia is doing right now.
 
So if Nvidia doesn't release Fermi until 1Q or 2Q of 2010 you might as well wait Q3 for ATI's 68xx series cards..

Or a 5800 X2 or a possible 5890 when Fermi is released. We'll have to wait for the Fermi numbers to see what the bang for your buck is.
 
I suppose their only option is to focus solely on getting Fermi out as soon as possible and pray to Jesus that everything goes right. What else can they do?

Once the 5770 and 5750 hit, then practically all of Nvidia's lineup will be obsolete. They will have no choice except to either drastically lower prices or surrender the market to ATI for the time being.

The next few months are going to be very interesting. . .
 
GTX260 - $110-$125
GTX275 - $150-$170
GTX285 - $220-$230
GTX295 - $300-$340

If it's false that nvidia is Pulling out of the high/mid end market, then to even be considered for purchase next to there newly appointed 5xxx competition they MUST price their cards as I displayed, if not then there are going to be a lot of shelves and warehouses stacked with GTX cards...I mean think about it, the 5750 is going to be $109 and is as fast as the GTX260....what kind of idiot in their right mind would pay $165 (the lowest price for a GTX260 on newegg ATM) when you can get the same performance for less money PLUS DX11? Even the most die hard fanbois will see that move as purely idiotic and insulting to their own intelligence. BUT if it's only a $10 differnce for the GTX260, then if your a fanboi, or just want to use physx in your games, you can justify spending $10 over the 5750. Seeing as building a GTX260 isn't cheap, it's doubtfull nVidia will want to take the bath and loose a ton of money selling $170 cards for $120, which lends some credence to charlies article at Semi-Accurate. However, nVidia isn't stupid, and they want to keep mindshare in the public, so they will hopefully collapse the prices on the GTX and just take the bath so as not to lose mindshare. I mean, look at the PS3, Sony has been in a distant 3rd place this entire console generation and that's because they were arrogant and decided to sell the PS3 at $600. However, if they decided to just take the insurmountable hit and sell the PS3 for $300 at launch, they would have destroyed any headstart the 360 had and whatever effect the Wii had with the Zombie-Public. But not wanting to lose money had Sony overprice the console and lose the market leadership that they worked so hard to build with the PS1 and PS2. nVidia is kinda in the same situation. Like it or not, they are the #1 graphic card supplier, BUT that can change overnight, with nVidia stubbornly sticking to either overpriced videocards or pulling out of the market entirely. I know nVidia is smart, unlike sony, and will simple collapse the prices on the GTX series, just to keep people from moving over to ATI. Heck I'm in that situation, I have a system with 2 8800GT's in SLI, but the cards are dying and need to get replaced. I REALLY want to stick with nVidia for this system, but if the GTX260's don't drop to the $100-$110 level, I have no problem getting a Radeon 5750, and I think a lot of people are in that kinda situation...Well maybe not with TWO dying 8800GT's, but they are looking to upgrade, and they'd like to stick with nVidia, but it would be downright foolish to spend an extra $60 for a hotter card that devours more energy and has less features, just to stick with a brand.
 
Nvidia is re-releasing the same gt200 variants with directx10.1 support that OEM's have been getting for a while. All they're doing is bump up the clocks some here and there and give it a shiny new name. That is all you will see from Nvidia this year.
 
I don't get it, why did nVidia not have any GT200 mainstream part? Did they really plan the G92 to be their mainstream parts for the GT200 series?

some people have said that did have products that failed due to tech problems. if that is the case ouch. I still haven't seen a good explanation of why they can't just do a die shrink of hte GT200
 
Pure speculation here but it could just be that they don't have the manufacturing capacity (and/or don't think it's profitable/worthwhile) to make both shrinks of the GT200 and also have enough left over to mass produce their GT300 parts.

It's not that dissimilar to Intel, who skipped the 2 core parts this time around at 45nm and then they're skipping the 4 core parts for the 32nm shrink (Westmere) because their 32nm capacity is tied up in future products, like Sandy Bridge.

As for their plan, they might cut prices a little to try to pull even a bit and not bleed too much market share while they wait for their new products to come down the pipe line. I mean, it's not that long ago that the 8800 series dominated versus the 2900 series. Then, AMD came back with better stuff later on. It's been a back and forth battle over the years and will hopefully continue on.
 
Pure speculation here but it could just be that they don't have the manufacturing capacity (and/or don't think it's profitable/worthwhile) to make both shrinks of the GT200 and also have enough left over to mass produce their GT300 parts.

Nope, they already released gt200 variant shrinks to OEM's. It's just that they've kept really quiet about it.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...dias-first-DirectX-101-card-reviewed/Reviews/

http://publish.it168.com/2009/0807/20090807051201.shtml
 
Short term is starting to get some news about about Tegra. Very few people actually know about it compared to what it will do in 2010. Enough about Zune HD! I want to hear about MIDs and Smartbooks!

Also they need to get ION out on more mobos and maybe even consider it for AMD cores. VIA is a priority.
 
Fast forward 3 months and G300.

"Whats ATIs short term plan?"

Fast forward or not, Nvidia G300 will have to compete with Ati 68xx class in 2010. Thats short term plan. G300 release date? Q1 2010, Q2 2010?
 
Fast forward or not, Nvidia G300 will have to compete with Ati 68xx class in 2010. Thats short term plan.

*Sigh* no they won't. That "rumor" has already been debunked.

If anything in 6 months, ATI will have a refresh of the HD 5800s.
 
Radeon HD 3870 Nov 19, 2007
Radeon HD 4870 Jun 25, 2008
Radeon HD 5870 Sep 23, 2009

Radeon HD 6870 xxx, 2010

So, no go with 6870 in 2010?
 
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