To all you L4D2 boycotters...

Ha ha ha, my sentiments exactly regarding this whole L4D2 'boycotting' issue.

Dan_D said:
Yeah I'm not boycotting the game. I'm not buying it because the first game was a big let down for me. After two days I just wasn't interested anymore. The gameplay is too repetitive, there aren't enough weapons, etc.
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100% agreed. I'd rather play de_dust and I haven't done that for awhile either.
 
Why do the anti-boycotters go out of their way to attack the boycotters? Is it such an insult to think that someone disagrees with them? The boycotters were pissed that Valve failed to deliver what was stated in interviews and have effectively killed the original game with L4D2's release. Everyone says that if you're so unhappy with something to vote with your wallet. That's what these guys are doing and they're being slandered for it. They aren't telling anyone not to buy L4D2. The anti-boycotters are just a bunch of hypocritical children whining about someone not liking their shiny new toy.

Everyone seems to think that they have failed to do anything, but I disagree. I think Valve realized they stepped on their wee-wee with this release and will support L4D2 in the same way as TF2 is to woo their critics back.

As to my plans, I'll pick it up when it goes on sale. The same rehashed gameplay with new maps and skins added to ragequitters aren't worth the full price in my book.
 
wfalcon said:
Why do the anti-boycotters go out of their way to attack the boycotters? Is it such an insult to think that someone disagrees with them? The boycotters were pissed that Valve failed to deliver what was stated in interviews and have effectively killed the original game with L4D2's release. Everyone says that if you're so unhappy with something to vote with your wallet. That's what these guys are doing and they're being slandered for it. They aren't telling anyone not to buy L4D2. The anti-boycotters are just a bunch of hypocritical children whining about someone not liking their shiny new toy.

Everyone seems to think that they have failed to do anything, but I disagree. I think Valve realized they stepped on their wee-wee with this release and will support L4D2 in the same way as TF2 is to woo their critics back.

As to my plans, I'll pick it up when it goes on sale. The same rehashed gameplay with new maps and skins added to ragequitters aren't worth the full price in my book.
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:rolleyes:
 
I agree that L4D got repetitive after a while. Why can't they add some type of progression to the whole thing. Like TF2, oooooonly better and more rewarding than that. Something to keep me coming back after I've run the same campaign over and over and over.
 
seriously, this is thread is entirely troll...

some people's brain just not function too well in order to understand the concept of L4D2 boycott...

cant help it....its not like we can do anything to fix their brain :(
 
infect0 said:
Just a bit of a correction but in terms of additional content there was only one true update before the announcement and nobody cares about survival.
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Disagree. We put over 80 hours into survival alone.
 
shansoft said:
seriously, this is thread is entirely troll...

some people's brain just not function too well in order to understand the concept of L4D2 boycott...

cant help it....its not like we can do anything to fix their brain :(
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I for one understand and agree with arguments for boycotting it to an extent, but then again, I weigh those negatives less than those boycotting. Hence, I'm buying the game on day one. (also, I have to wait another 2 weeks to play MW2 :().
 
A lot of the 'boycotters' are going to buy the game. I'd bet a lot of them have already pre-ordered it. That, in my opinion, is going to be the funniest thing of all... and will prove beyond any doubt that the boycott has been entirely useless.
 
Are you one of those people that think debate and discussion are entirely useless if neither side changes their opinion, too?
 
Would Crash Course have been released if it wasn't for us boycotters? I'm inclined to think no.
 
Guitarrasdeamor said:
:rolleyes:
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:rolleyes::rolleyes:

spindoctor said:
A lot of the 'boycotters' are going to buy the game. I'd bet a lot of them have already pre-ordered it. That, in my opinion, is going to be the funniest thing of all... and will prove beyond any doubt that the boycott has been entirely useless.
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If not, a lot of 'anti-boycotters' are going to be eating some crow and denying they ever made those claims. Of course, given that the Steam group is open to all, including the trolls, I guarantee you'll see folks that joined the group playing it.
 
At first I was bitter about L4D2, but then I gave it some honest thought and said, "well, let's face it... I'm gonna cough up the dough eventually."
 
stevedave said:
I have read the main reasons to boycott L4D2 and it all makes me laugh. I couldn't disagree more with the boycotters and their meaningless complaints and grips will fall only on each others ears and result in nothing but lost time and effort. But I guess with nothing else to do with life and time there is no opportunity cost associated with the boycott.
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I totally agree
 
pigwalk said:
Would Crash Course have been released if it wasn't for us boycotters? I'm inclined to think no.
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Crash Course is awful in VS too. Invisible walls, roofs you can't jump on everywhere, who fucking makes these things?
 
wfalcon said:
Why do the anti-boycotters go out of their way to attack the boycotters? Is it such an insult to think that someone disagrees with them? The boycotters were pissed that Valve failed to deliver what was stated in interviews and have effectively killed the original game with L4D2's release. Everyone says that if you're so unhappy with something to vote with your wallet. That's what these guys are doing and they're being slandered for it. They aren't telling anyone not to buy L4D2. The anti-boycotters are just a bunch of hypocritical children whining about someone not liking their shiny new toy.
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This is very interesting to me, I think it's down to people not understanding what the boycott is about, the group manifesto explains exactly how many of us feel and we still hear people waffling arguments which contradict the manifesto such as this comic.

If you're going to run your mouth about boycotters you might at least take 60 seconds to read why they're boycotting something.
 
It's called anecdotal evidence guys, just because YOU don't like the updates released and YOU are tired of the game, it doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.
 
LOL. The comic was amusing. I laughed at the one panel where the L4D2 box says "Now with 2 scoops of black people."
 
OldPueblo said:
It's called anecdotal evidence guys, just because YOU don't like the updates released and YOU are tired of the game, it doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.
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Couple hundred thousand people sure felt the same. Maybe it's not enough to matter? Maybe it was enough to do something, who knows.
 
I agree with the comics statements. Valve is just releasing a better product..... maybe the same, but with the tweaks, new items and stuffies and this makes them no different from companies like EA who do the same junk every year and that doesnt stop madden from being the #1 seller every year.

I know the reason behind the boycott is "mis-placed promises". But that doesnt stop you from voting for congress members who do the same. Promise one thing, and than deliver something else without thought to the former promises.

Promises are like pie-crust.

I do not blame valve for there actions. I was fine when they announced L4D2 a couple months after the release of L4D, which I bought day one. I already did my pre-order on L4D2 and im going to enjoy playing it for a week or so straight and never do it again.

On another note, who boycott'd Windows 7?

Didnt Microsoft do the same thing with Vista, they made the product, freaked out with all the bugs and basically stopped there own support on it to make a better version of vista (7) that didnt suck so much.

I love my Windows 7, lol.

----------- There are to many examples of companies doing the same things and no one every blames or boycott's these companies.

I may not like the total ideals of crtl+alt+del's post, but its true.

+2 scoops of black people ----- HAH!
 
I think people are too spoiled with "updates" and downloadable content. Not that long ago, you bought a game, you played it, and that was it. If you liked it and wanted something new you had to hope that they made a 2nd one and that it was as good as the first. Now people cry over lack of "support". If I liked a game, I wouldn't care if they come out with a new version every other month. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy every one of them. Heck, TF2 is a great game and I love to play it every chance I get. They're still rolling out new updates and making the game different, but I've still been wanting a Team Fortress 3.
 
FrEaKy said:
I agree with the comics statements. Valve is just releasing a better product..... maybe the same, but with the tweaks, new items and stuffies and this makes them no different from companies like EA who do the same junk every year and that doesnt stop madden from being the #1 seller every year.
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So it's somehow right to do when everyone else does it too? There's a reason I don't buy most games from EA, as well as games which launch that charge $10 for map packs or basically any other DLC which are inevitably terrible dollar/enjoyment hour investments.

FrEaKy said:
I know the reason behind the boycott is "mis-placed promises". But that doesnt stop you from voting for congress members who do the same. Promise one thing, and than deliver something else without thought to the former promises.
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Broken promises diminish the amount of goodwill users have towards whoever made the companies. Sure it works great to break a promise one time to increase profit, but as soon as users catch on they won't fall for the same a second time. This only applies if people actually care though, and I don't think people care enough about Valve sinking to the level of the rest of the industry because people are already accustomed to be treated that way.
 
Am I mistaken in the observation that none of the boycotters (or, excuse me -- people who "aren't boycotters but still won't be buying L4D2 because they expected L4D to have an 18+ hour single player campaign) address the money issue? The point that if you're into videogames and you ever -- ever complain about their price, you have the wrong hobby.

"Couple hundred thousand" boycotters? Pics or it didn't happen.

Edit: Punctuation fail.
 
Belgain Roffles said:
Broken promises diminish the amount of goodwill users have towards whoever made the companies. Sure it works great to break a promise one time to increase profit, but as soon as users catch on they won't fall for the same a second time. This only applies if people actually care though, and I don't think people care enough about Valve sinking to the level of the rest of the industry because people are already accustomed to be treated that way.
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But you have to think that your opinion is based off how you want to be treated by a gaming company.

Me and many others want new games every year sequel or not so in this since they are treating many of their customer based how they want to be treated. Also a game as lax as L4D isn't something you should be playing for more than a year anyways.

Image EA not releaseing madden in 2011 we'd have crazy sports fans slitting wrist and shit.
 
pigwalk said:
Aren't most if not all Valve MP games played for years and years past release??
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Though CS and TF2 are MP like Left 4 Dead but their similarities end there.

also its not like valve has a massive library of games that people have played for years and years all I can think of are just 2.
 
stevedave said:
But you have to think that your opinion is based off how you want to be treated by a gaming company.

Me and many others want new games every year sequel or not so in this since they are treating many of their customer based how they want to be treated. Also a game as lax as L4D isn't something you should be playing for more than a year anyways.

Image EA not releaseing madden in 2011 we'd have crazy sports fans slitting wrist and shit.
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Personally, I'd like to see them NOT make a Madden game for a year or 2. Maybe they could come up with something different. I'm a big sports fan, but Madden is the same year after year. Graphics don't really change that much and they come up with some catch-phrase for some "new" feature (Total Control this-or-that) and that's it. How about something totally groundbreaking? A lot of people have widescreen TV's now and you still can't make the game show the formation past the tight end or the offensive linemen? Give me a screen that shows me everything for goodness sake.
 
FrEaKy said:
I agree with the comics statements. Valve is just releasing a better product..... maybe the same
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EXACTLY the same bar some melée weapons and a half-arsed new boss infected which they took from a fan's idea without credit. Why is it inexcusable when companies like EA do this, but when Valve - the apparent paradigm of game design - do it it's perfectly excusable and the bitching's unwarranted?

The people bleating "mnngnghg boycotters dumb" etc. are basically just mongoloids with double standards because they spring a semi over Valve games, despite none of them being any better in concept or development than most other game companies.

IN SUMMARY: once again everyone's thick and I'm right once again. Why are people even bothering to post after me?
 
So, out of the 40,000 odd 'boycotters' in the official steam group, does anyone want to estimate how many will eventually be playing L4D2 after it releases? 10,000? 25,000? more? or less even?
 
Does L4D2 have barricades? There's something exciting about building up a barricade and holding off hordes of zombies as they try to break through.

Zombies in L4D are all fast spider monkey mother fuckers. Seems that death has brought them the gift of youthful flexibility and "mad jumps."
 
I was mad at first about the release but then again no one is ever forcing anyone from buying anything.

We are actually lucky in this day and age to have the internet, to be able to read reviews and to see how a game is before it is actually released. Back in the day you had to physically go to the store and check out the box art to select a game, not knowing how good it really is.

Sure thet 45-50 bucks for the sequel so I will probably wait until its half price. The first L4D did bring me hours and hours of entertainment before I got really bored with it.
 
I have a right to boycott and a right to talk about it and advocate it.

That being said, I think a lot of people are just pissed they obsoleted a game in half a year's time with the L4D2 announcement. And although they say boycott, its not an organized one by far. Its simply a lot of people voting with their pocketbook and not being shy about announcing it.
 
SPARTAN VI said:
Does L4D2 have barricades? There's something exciting about building up a barricade and holding off hordes of zombies as they try to break through.

Zombies in L4D are all fast spider monkey mother fuckers. Seems that death has brought them the gift of youthful flexibility and "mad jumps."
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LOL, I thought that too about the zombies. But I guess it wouldn't be very fun or difficult if all the zombies moved at a snail's pace. It'd be funny if you could do like in Shaun of the Dead and move really slow and act like a zombie yourself to try to make it to a safe room.
 
jpm100 said:
I have a right to boycott and a right to talk about it and advocate it.

That being said, I think a lot of people are just pissed they obsoleted a game in half a year's time with the L4D2 announcement. And although they say boycott, its not an organized one by far. Its simply a lot of people voting with their pocketbook and not being shy about announcing it.
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They didn't really make it obsolete with an announcement. People still have the ability to play it. If they don't want to they won't, but nobody is making them stop. If people stop playing L4D1 because a sequel is in the pipeline, I'd say stop bitching about it and get back online into the fray.
 
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