Opera Says Microsoft EU Browser Offer "Not Enough"

So Opera is free now, it was paid before.

Again, as I pointed out IE is a windows only program. That doesn't mean you are paying for it by having to buy windows. Look at any free windows only program out there on the web. Does Microsoft pay them considering you have to buy windows to use it?

Google Earth is windows only i believe is it now? Does that mean you pay for it considering you had to buy windows? Do you think that Microsoft gives Google a certain percentage of the money made on every windows licenses?

in fact it is also available for OSX

http://earth.google.co.uk/intl/en_uk/download-earth.html


 
So Opera is free now, it was paid before.
There has always been the free version.

Again, as I pointed out IE is a windows only program. That doesn't mean you are paying for it by having to buy windows.
So what you're saying is some ppl just popped into MS hq and said "we wanna write a web browser for ya, for free"? Dont think so, MS pay ppl to write IE, money comes from license fees.

Look at any free windows only program out there on the web. Does Microsoft pay them considering you have to buy windows to use it?
Google Earth is windows only i believe is it now? Does that mean you pay for it considering you had to buy windows? Do you think that Microsoft gives Google a certain percentage of the money made on every windows licenses?
No. I dont think so. What is the point you're trying to make here?
 
Why does the European Fucking Union think they can go strutting around policing fairness and big government ideas?
 
Depending on how install, Firefox is not installed by default. + its free for real
What difference does it have if it's free?
Microsoft provided Internet Explorer on the Mac until Tiger, free of charge. So IE is still free. They just chose not to write it for platforms other than Windows now.

Apple is considered a niche product.
So niche products are exempt from these rules that the EU is laying down?
That's my point. EU has it's head so far up their asses they don't see it.

Why not going after Microsoft for only shipping MS applications? Oh..wait..
I sure as hell hope that's sarcasm because all you did was HELP my point...

Because there is real competition. Same with the stereos.
Doesn't matter. How come when I take it into a Honda dealership they put Honda spark plugs in? That's monopolistic right there... They should put Toyota plugs in!

Same rationale.

There's "Real Competition" with Firefox too.

Of all the browsers, IE is the only one you pay for. You need a windows license to use it, or so it is for most ppl.
You didn't used to... Like I said, up to a couple releases ago, it was available on the Mac as well.
 
I'm going to write a new calculator program, take it to the EU in protest, and cash in on some of these windfalls.
 
Hopefully the EU will realize that MS is making efforts far beyond what is reasonable and leave them alone this time around. Imagine if Ford sold a car without wheels; people would go ape shit. That is basically what MS is offering to do with Win7.

If the EU starts up litigation against MS for this crap they will be taking a couple more steps towards killing one of their (and America's) golden-egg-laying gooses (i.e. large tax revenue producing business).
 
What difference does it have if it's free?
Microsoft provided Internet Explorer on the Mac until Tiger, free of charge. So IE is still free. They just chose not to write it for platforms other than Windows now.
For most ppl its still not free.
So niche products are exempt from these rules that the EU is laying down?
That's my point.
Yes this was brought up in the US too.
I sure as hell hope that's sarcasm because all you did was HELP my point...
Sarcasm, yes. Your point, no.
Doesn't matter. How come when I take it into a Honda dealership they put Honda spark plugs in? That's monopolistic right there... They should put Toyota plugs in!

Same rationale.

There's "Real Competition" with Firefox too.

You didn't used to... Like I said, up to a couple releases ago, it was available on the Mac as well.

If Honda was the only car manufacturer in the world that could be monopolistic, but theyre not. And are you seriously comparing a webbrowser to a sparkplug?!?

A couple of releases ago was IE6. I bet alot of Mac users loved it.
 
For most ppl its still not free.

Yes this was brought up in the US too.
Sarcasm, yes. Your point, no.

If Honda was the only car manufacturer in the world that could be monopolistic, but theyre not. And are you seriously comparing a webbrowser to a sparkplug?!?

A couple of releases ago was IE6. I bet alot of Mac users loved it.

Dude, since when is MS the ONLY OS/Browser/Office Suite producer in the world? His point was spot on; your response was way off.
 
Dude, since when is MS the ONLY OS/Browser/Office Suite producer in the world? His point was spot on; your response was way off.

Since they bought up the competition. And no most responses in this whole discussion are from ppl who dont know what theyre talking about.
 
Looks like the EU continues to look to American companies to fund their out of control social spending. At this point every cast or ace bandage in the EU should have a big Microsoft logo on it.
 
Exactly, another good example.

No excuses at all. This "Microsoft Monopoly" nonsense is getting old.

Why not go after Linux distro creators for only supplying Firefox?
Why not go after Apple for only bundling Safari?
Why not go after Google for only hosting Google applications?
Why not go after Honda for only using Honda spark plugs?

You mean like cases against Intel, Toyota, Apple, Continental/United, DiamlerChrysler, Texas Instruments, Rambus, Coca-Cola, Fiat, ....?

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/antitrust/cases/index.html

Get your head out of your fanboy ass, and you'll see that they don't just pick on your precious Microsoft.
 
Since they bought up the competition. And no most responses in this whole discussion are from ppl who dont know what theyre talking about.
:rolleyes:
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry for you.
A few things.
Competition is still strong. Firefox, Opera, Maxthon, Safari... Yea, they are obviously buying them up :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure Apple has the iLife suite. And guess what? Apple users STILL use Microsoft Office along side it, because it can't rival the capability.
OpenOffice? Great for basics, but again: nothing can touch Microsoft Office for the features it contains. This is simple consumerism: You won't have competition if your competition sucks.

You mean like cases against Intel, Toyota, Apple, Continental/United, DiamlerChrysler, Texas Instruments, Rambus, Coca-Cola, Fiat, ....?

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/antitrust/cases/index.html

Get your head out of your fanboy ass, and you'll see that they don't just pick on your precious Microsoft.
:rolleyes:

Again, they fine Microsoft out the ass. They've hit record fines on Microsoft on more than one occasion. These cases are CHUMP CHANGE compared to it.
 
There has always been the free version.


So what you're saying is some ppl just popped into MS hq and said "we wanna write a web browser for ya, for free"? Dont think so, MS pay ppl to write IE, money comes from license fees.


No. I dont think so. What is the point you're trying to make here?

What? IE *is* free. It's just not multiplatform. You can pay people to make free programs. Aren't the FF guys getting payed to make FF?
 

And Intel deserved that one. Just like MS deserved some of their fines in the past.

MS however does NOT deserve this bullshit surrounding IE8 especially when they already said they'll f'n have it removed by default.

Don't like IE8 in Windows 7? Then use it to download the browser of your choice and then remove IE8. It's simple. Opera is just a whiny bunch of pansies (Firefox is better and so is IE8 with IE7Pro installed) and the EU needs to find money elsewhere.
 
What a bunch of whiners. MS can't ship an OS with or without a browser. If Opera want "fairness" let them develop their own OS to do what they want.
 
fucking whiners

They would bitch and moan if Opera was the only browser installed on Windows 7, and the only one that would function -_-

Firefox for life!
 
fucking whiners

They would bitch and moan if Opera was the only browser installed on Windows 7, and the only one that would function -_-

Firefox for life!

I was under the impression that those were the requirements for them to stop bitching.
 
Whats even more ironic is that I bet Mac gets to ship its Snow Kitty o/s over there with its craptastic quicktime and safari browser pre-installed. But, may god forbid if MS does the same as they are evil and will take over the world if allowed to bundle their own software together.

While I dislike a lot of the corporate practices that MS does, I can't help but understand why they do it now.
 
I think EU's been a little too harsh, maybe they don't have commons sense. One possibility could be to include installers for all major browser, if they've given permission, and then when installing you could choose your preference.
But IMO it would be just enough if you could uninstall IE, and really use things without depending on it.
 
i installed opera then i uninstalled it.

i then used ie and installed firefox. i did this for mom to. everyone's mom that i know. so whats the big deal again?

we farcking saved their asses in ww2, at least they can do is use our shitty virus prone browser.
 
Thanks to dutch uberb*tch Nellie Kroes, us European Windows users are totally screwed! Honestly I think it's a very good move on behalf of Microsoft. They're really flipping the bird and I really hope lawsuits will follow to put an end to this nonsense! I mean, we're probably going to have to PAY for a browser now (well not really for the browser per se, but for the media that carries it). If that's the case, I will simply import my copy of W7U from outside the EU. Or in case that's not possible, and buying a browser is the only alternative, then I sure as hell know which browser company will never get a cent from me. I don't care if they score a million in the acid3 test!
 
Thanks to dutch uberb*tch Nellie Kroes, us European Windows users are totally screwed! Honestly I think it's a very good move on behalf of Microsoft. They're really flipping the bird and I really hope lawsuits will follow to put an end to this nonsense! I mean, we're probably going to have to PAY for a browser now (well not really for the browser per se, but for the media that carries it). If that's the case, I will simply import my copy of W7U from outside the EU. Or in case that's not possible, and buying a browser is the only alternative, then I sure as hell know which browser company will never get a cent from me. I don't care if they score a million in the acid3 test!

MS is still giving the OEM's getting this IEless version a copy of IE. Now, the OEM's decide whether to install it or FF, or whatever browser. MS is essentially passing any blame they might have received over bundling IE with Win 7 to the OEM's.

Most OEM PC's will still likely ship with IE installed. It will simply be more difficult to legitimately sue or fine MS over it due to this move. Since the EU regulators and courts are loathe to go after EU based corporations, the EU OEMs will polly be safe, and dickhead's whining will fall on deaf ears.

Of course, it will also be no difficult matter for EU citizens to buy the US version of Win 7, just as it was no problem getting a hold of the US version of Vista with WMP.
 
A couple of releases ago was IE6. I bet alot of Mac users loved it.

Off-topic, but actually the last mac version was IE5. There was a period of time where netscape was dead and safari wasn't yet born. Our choices were IE5 and...um, iCab, and Chimera (beta). We didn't exactly love it, but we sure as hell clung to it for dear life until Chimera was stable enough for heavy use. :p
 
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