Leaked Best Buy Memo Offers Windows 7 Details

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A leaked Best Buy memo offers up all kinds of little details about when the new OS will be available, when customers can start buying Vista machines and get a free upgrade and so on. Best Buy also seems to have a bit of a “this isn’t Vista” marketing approach going on:

"Microsoft is launching Windows 7 in mid-October 2009. This new operating system isn't just a "Vista that works" program - it's a new operating system with improved productivity, functionality and creativity that uses less computer resources."
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damn it im wrong. best buy claims win7 is a brand new os.. it must be true.

oh well, idiots started the rumor that vista was crap. microsoft was forced to change the name, and now mass marketing will make fiction come true. win-win... i think...
 
This new operating system isn't just a "Vista that works" program
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:rolleyes:

Vista does work. It works well, in fact.

People that still believe Vista is still broken probably have never used it, and are indeed sadly mistaken.
 
They're just feeding the FUD trolls. This mentality implies "yes, we acknowledge Vista being a bad operating system. Throw it away and get this instead".

I don't see Microsoft liking that very much if they market Windows 7 this way.

They should just ignore Vista entirely and sell Windows 7 on it's own merits. Don't be a Mac-vs-PC copycat.
 
everyone says it uses less resources
then everyone says it doesnt improve gaming performance, its 99.9% equal to vista

so wheres the extra resources going to?
 
maverick... on one machine:
vista is broke... even after reinstall always has issues.
win7 fixed it (both x64) on intel quad 4, raid

then winxp machine...
vista works but i hate vista
win7 does not work and bsods

back to winxp lol dual core amd

both good machines. both work well with xp. as great win7 may be, it will cause alot of bsods during installs once non-nerds start upgrading... which wont happen so hopefully they just buy a new pc so i dont have to fix it.
 
MavericK96 said:
:rolleyes:

Vista does work. It works well, in fact.

People that still believe Vista is still broken probably have never used it, and are indeed sadly mistaken.
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QFT

So many truths in that statement. If I could shake your hand I would.
 
alkaline said:
QFT

So many truths in that statement. If I could shake your hand I would.
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+1 - I've never had any problems with Vista 32bit or 64bit. When MS released Vista, everyone complained that their old hardware was incompatible. Well, guess what, that old hardware is still going to be incompatible with Windows 7, but by now the majority of the old hardware has broken or been replaced. So, we are getting a polished release of Vista. W7 is the consumer combination of server 2008 and vista. The "updates" to W7 could have been applied to Vista with a major SP update, like XP's SP2 if there wasn't so much demand for something "other" than Vista.
 
jroe52 said:
everyone says it uses less resources
then everyone says it doesnt improve gaming performance, its 99.9% equal to vista

so wheres the extra resources going to?
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The same place that they do with Vista. The game.

I don't think the extra resource utilization in Vista was causing any gaming issues. The OS is going to put the resources to use where they are needed. Unless your problem was that your cpu was running at 100% usage 100% of the time, and your ram was maxed out 100% of the time, then the OS itself dropping its usage at all times a little isn't going to effect your game experience very much.

If I tell you to carry 100 50lb rocks 1/4 mile by hand and give you a time limit of something like 1 hour. would an extra 30 seconds help you a great deal in getting the job done?
 
xrealm20 said:
+1 - I've never had any problems with Vista 32bit or 64bit. When MS released Vista, everyone complained that their old hardware was incompatible. Well, guess what, that old hardware is still going to be incompatible with Windows 7, but by now the majority of the old hardware has broken or been replaced. So, we are getting a polished release of Vista. W7 is the consumer combination of server 2008 and vista. The "updates" to W7 could have been applied to Vista with a major SP update, like XP's SP2 if there wasn't so much demand for something "other" than Vista.
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What are you talking about? Windows Vista and 2008 server are the same platform. They are already "combined" if you want to call it that. That is why the same serivce pack works on both.

I also don't think they could have easily made the change from Vista to Windows 7 as a service pack as there is a lot of backend changes along with front end changes. There is far more than what a service pack would be. It isn't just a new interface slapped onto Vista.
 
Exavior said:
I also don't think they could have easily made the change from Vista to Windows 7 as a service pack as there is a lot of backend changes along with front end changes. There is far more than what a service pack would be. It isn't just a new interface slapped onto Vista.
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but it kinda is. its about the same difference that sp2 was for xp. granted, that was much more then a service pack was supposed to be, but it can easily be done. and for us that did suffer through the promised 'great launch' of vista, it does seem like win7 is what we should have got with a vista service pack.
 
Of course they have to market it this way. The average consmer makes up a much larger segment of purchasers than they did in the days of Windows 95. Once the average consumer thinks something, it is incredibly difficult to change that perception.
 
They purposefully added extra nag bull crap to Vista. Did they expect that to be popular with users? If so, they need some new focus groups.
 
Classic, they are trying to distance themselves as far from Vista as they can, I guess this is what Mojave was all about.
 
MavericK96 said:
:rolleyes:

Vista does work. It works well, in fact.

People that still believe Vista is still broken probably have never used it, and are indeed sadly mistaken.
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The problem with Vista is that it made a bad first impression. It showed up & wiped it's arse on the curtains. Sure, it's since had some behavioural therapy - but there are a lot of people who're struggling to forgive (let alone forget).
 
MavericK96 said:
:rolleyes:

Vista does work. It works well, in fact.

People that still believe Vista is still broken probably have never used it, and are indeed sadly mistaken.
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this.

it doesnt work too well on those underpowered machines that released with it (my work laptop is bitch slapped daily and mocked by Vista for being so limp wristed, despite the nifty vista ready or whatever sticker...though it does work, just reeaalll slow.
 
I better get this in before this thread turns retarded... it's already starting to.

Did anyone notice the part about "$49 for Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade"? That seems like an awesome deal if I'm reading it right, no? The Vista Home Premium Upgrade is currently $123 on Newegg.
 
I never liked the vista name in the first place. We always have these cans of beans called Vista. Always reminds me of those beans lol.
 
jellyhead said:
The problem with Vista is that it made a bad first impression. It showed up & wiped it's arse on the curtains. Sure, it's since had some behavioural therapy - but there are a lot of people who're struggling to forgive (let alone forget).
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Yeah, but it's not like it's a person. It's not going to suddenly "go back to its old ways" or anything. It's a piece of software. Once they fixed the specific problems, the problems are fixed.

People really just need to get over being butthurt by a piece of software being buggy upon release. Lots and lots of software is like this. The only time you should complain is if it remains broken for an extended time.
 
jellyhead said:
The problem with Vista is that it made a bad first impression. It showed up & wiped it's arse on the curtains. Sure, it's since had some behavioural therapy - but there are a lot of people who're struggling to forgive (let alone forget).
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my recollection... and i was running vista since rtm... was nvidia is crap, not vista.
 
Exavior said:
What are you talking about? Windows Vista and 2008 server are the same platform. They are already "combined" if you want to call it that. That is why the same serivce pack works on both.

I also don't think they could have easily made the change from Vista to Windows 7 as a service pack as there is a lot of backend changes along with front end changes. There is far more than what a service pack would be. It isn't just a new interface slapped onto Vista.
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What I am talking about is the different levels of UAC that are in server 2008, one of the major changes that makes 7 "so much better" than Vista is the less annoying UAC. You are correct in saying that the x64 service pack works on both. However, Microsoft is calling Server 2008/Windows 7 the second time they've build a server/client os together, just like 2000 server/professional. There are a lot of back-end changes, but they are already present in Server '08.
 
gtg465x said:
I better get this in before this thread turns retarded... it's already starting to.

Did anyone notice the part about "$49 for Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade"? That seems like an awesome deal if I'm reading it right, no? The Vista Home Premium Upgrade is currently $123 on Newegg.
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Yep, that would be an awesome price for an upgrade. The only 49$ version of Vista was the additional two licenses you could purchase after buying Ultimate - great deal.
 
spacetrader said:
my recollection... and i was running vista since rtm... was nvidia is crap, not vista.
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But Microsoft redesigned the driver model in Vista to prevent BSOD. I guess it didn't help much, but it does allow for the video DRM to work perfectly.
 
Reminds me of Winn Dixie's "Getting better all the time" can't you just hear the music of MS singing "Operating system that worrrrks"
 
panhead said:
But Microsoft redesigned the driver model in Vista to prevent BSOD. I guess it didn't help much, but it does allow for the video DRM to work perfectly.
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The only time I ever got BSODS in Vista was when I was performing mad overclocking experiments with my processor or graphics card.
 
gtg465x said:
The only time I ever got BSODS in Vista was when I was performing mad overclocking experiments with my processor or graphics card.
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Well, I guess you know what you are doing and the rest of the world doesn't. Microsoft has stated the Nvidia's drivers cause most of the BSOD for Fista.
 
spacetrader said:
but it kinda is. its about the same difference that sp2 was for xp. granted, that was much more then a service pack was supposed to be, but it can easily be done. and for us that did suffer through the promised 'great launch' of vista, it does seem like win7 is what we should have got with a vista service pack.
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Thing is, the HAD to do so much shit with SP2 simply to make XP work. XP was pure shit before SP2. Vista doesn't need that kind of update. You can argue whether or not you think they should have, but Microsoft is a business. They're not a charity. I will always say that Win7 is to Vista what 98 was to 95. Only Win7 works a hell of a lot better than 98.
 
panhead said:
Well, I guess you know what you are doing and the rest of the world doesn't. Microsoft has stated the Nvidia's drivers cause most of the BSOD for Fista.
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Fista huh? Sorry, couldn't pass it up.

This is true. There were other issues causing BSODs, but NV was at the top of them. Not so shocking really. I mean it took how long for NV to make good Win7 driver? They had some growing pains with XP too, didn't they?
 
Don't judge until you work at a computer store and have customers come in EVERY DAY and say "Oh ... can I PUHHHLEEEEZE have XP? I don't want Vista. Uncle Fester says it sux!"

Customers are still scared of the VistaMonster and that's what they're trying to combat. Trust me, it will take far less time to just say, "Don't worry, this is not Vista, it's a brand new Windows 7 - you're safe!" than to take them by the hand and explain that Vista does work just fine and here's why ...

You can only keep a non-tech savvy customer's attention for so long. Best Buy will do whatever it takes to sell, like any business that wants to be profitable would. And the less time and confusion for the customer, the better. (not all customers want this. I frequently spend 1.5 hrs on a single sale just "enlightening" the customers that will give me the time of day, but it's hard to dedicate that much time and effort to each customer when you're crazy buzy.)
 
gtg465x said:
I better get this in before this thread turns retarded... it's already starting to.

Did anyone notice the part about "$49 for Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade"? That seems like an awesome deal if I'm reading it right, no? The Vista Home Premium Upgrade is currently $123 on Newegg.
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Yeah, and the Pro version was $99. That's pretty damned awesome! I wonder what the catch is...........
 
SirKronan said:
Don't judge until you work at a computer store and have customers come in EVERY DAY and say "Oh ... can I PUHHHLEEEEZE have XP? I don't want Vista. Uncle Fester says it sux!"
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This is right on the money my friend. Like many here I help friends and family with tech and I can't count how many times non-tech people told me that someone (usually someone no where in the league of of the skills of most people here) that they didn't want Vista caused it sucked.

Hell, I but Vista on a old HP P4 2GHz circa 2002 desktop with 768MB RAM, 40 GB HD and for an older retired couple that just needed a basic internet system and a year latter they've only had one issue with some old sound driver stuff that just was old an not well supported in Vista. Did a little tweaking and got that straightened out and that was it. Solid for a year.

But as you point out, too much negative press and word of mouth. No choice but to get some separation from Vista.

Windows 7 is going to rock! Faster, more streamlined than Vista in many cases and this time the PR is going to be positive. That's going to more for getting the next gen of desktop apps for Windows that will begin to finally leave XP behind.
 
So BB is claiming Win7 is a "new" OS and not an iteration of Vista? Guess it wouldn't be the first they have blatantly lied to their customers. Lawsuit in 3...2...1...

alkaline said:
QFT

So many truths in that statement. If I could shake your hand I would.
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Careful, you may get a clown buzzer. Sarcasm meter may be broke. :eek:
 
MavericK96 said:
:rolleyes:

Vista does work. It works well, in fact.

People that still believe Vista is still broken probably have never used it, and are indeed sadly mistaken.
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I suffered with Vista for a year and a half. I still think it is crap even with SP1. Dont use it anymore so I will never find out if SP2 helps any.
I have also used the beta for Win7 for over 6 months. Yes it is pretty much Vista but it works so much smoother and is less of a resource hog.
 
jroe52 said:
everyone says it uses less resources
then everyone says it doesnt improve gaming performance, its 99.9% equal to vista

so wheres the extra resources going to?
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Not doing meaningful things with your computer (i.e. supercache) :rolleyes:
 
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