Intel is Tonya Harding

This is why AMD won't catch up to Intel again.Winners don't whine and come up with nonsense like this,or count on the courts to keep them alive.They put everything into becoming better than the competition.
 
This is getting just out of hand, AMD releases nothing but crap because they can't catch up to Intel and now wage a PR campaign because of the FUCKING EU raping Intel and now everyone is kicking them as hard as they can. I use to like AMD, because they had quality chips for good prices, but were royally screwed by the Core 2 Duo series and now can only engage in a name calling contest. Here is a tip, make a better chip, seems to have worked for Intel. This really eating away at the last little respect I had for AMD (than again, buying ATi could of killed that).

Not saying AMD doesn't have its place right now, the bargain shelf is about right.
 
I'd have to disagree. I think AMD is Tonya and Intel is Nancy. All I see AMD doing is trying to whack the knees of Intel.
 
This is what the laws of unintended consequences get you. So now that the EU has doled out it's punishment and Intel will obviously appeal, how do you AMD'ers like your little guy now? AMD will see itself as a perpetual victim and in doing so has more or less castrated itself as less than second best. Do you think the EU decision would have somehow magically made AMD a better company with a better product? If you do, I want to hear from you how you could excuse this latest round of PR nonsense as an indicator that AMD will come out stronger because Intel got punished.
 
Methadras said:
Do you think the EU decision would have somehow magically made AMD a better company with a better product?
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The EU decision was about fining a company for breaking the law. This is criminal law.

Reports have indicated that Intel is now open to civil litigation by companies that feel they have been harmed. This is civil law.
 
RangerXML said:
Maybe so, but when the Athlon and later AMD processors were bitch-slapping Intels P III and P IVprocessors all over the place, Intel resorted to the business equivilent of breaking kneecaps. Quite a difference between the two.
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jimmyb said:
The EU decision was about fining a company for breaking the law. This is criminal law.

Reports have indicated that Intel is now open to civil litigation by companies that feel they have been harmed. This is civil law.
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Mr. Non-sequitor I'd like you to meet Ms. Sour Grapes. Have a nice date.
 
You know, I'd kind of have to agree with AMD on this one. Intel really screwed AMD over by buying several chip manufacturing plants that really limited AMD's ability to mass produce certain chips (I believe it was factories that produced 32nm chips). AMD was pretty much forced to stick with 45nm chips for some time, while Intel was pumping out the new, smaller, faster chips. And going back, it's at this point that AMD really started falling behind.
 
Methadras said:
Mr. Non-sequitor I'd like you to meet Ms. Sour Grapes. Have a nice date.
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I'm sorry, I presumed it would be evident how that related to your comment. I'm sorry that it wasn't more clear.

When you asked how the EU criminal charges would benefit AMD it demonstrated that you've missed the point of criminal law, which is to deter and correct criminal behaviour. Asking how it will benefits AMD ignores the fact that the primary benefit of criminal law is to, in general, deter criminal behaviour.

Civil litigation is where AMD might be able to recoup any damages.

Again, I apologize for being unclear.
 
RAF_OldBuzzard said:
Maybe so, but when the Athlon and later AMD processors were bitch-slapping Intels P III and P IVprocessors all over the place, Intel resorted to the business equivilent of breaking kneecaps. Quite a difference between the two.
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Agreed. The Athlon was a superior product for a long time, not withstanding 3GHz and up P4 parts trading blows with at the time Athlon XP parts. Then the Athlon 64 stole the show until Core 2 hit the streets. Despite AMD having a much faster part for years, what did you see on almost all OEM boxes in the stores? That's right, "intel inside."

People didn't get a choice because of Intel lowballing the competition (AMD) in sneaky rebate and exclusivity agreements to shut out AMD. This is wrong no matter how you slice it. Intel should be punished for that.
 
You guys do understand how a company works right?
"This is AMD's attitude now, they are going to suck haha!"

Right... because a giant corporation is an entity with feelings.
The engineers making the chips don't know or care what the marketing people, legal people, etc... are doing. They design chips. They try to make the best ones they can. That is all they do... The compartmentalized company IS trying to do everything it can to get ahead. This is just the legal and PR departments doing everything in their power to help.
 
ku1185 said:
You know, I'd kind of have to agree with AMD on this one. Intel really screwed AMD over by buying several chip manufacturing plants that really limited AMD's ability to mass produce certain chips (I believe it was factories that produced 32nm chips). AMD was pretty much forced to stick with 45nm chips for some time, while Intel was pumping out the new, smaller, faster chips. And going back, it's at this point that AMD really started falling behind.
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your kidding right? So because intel has money, they SHOULDNT by more plants to make better chips, they should sit back and stay on the same level as AMD? WTF, sorry but get a clue, it is not Intels fault AMD cant afford more plants and more R&D money to make better chips, maybe AMD shouldnt of bought ATI and instead used that money to make a better CPU vs going massivly into debt.:rolleyes:
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
Agreed. The Athlon was a superior product for a long time, not withstanding 3GHz and up P4 parts trading blows with at the time Athlon XP parts. Then the Athlon 64 stole the show until Core 2 hit the streets. Despite AMD having a much faster part for years, what did you see on almost all OEM boxes in the stores? That's right, "intel inside."

People didn't get a choice because of Intel lowballing the competition (AMD) in sneaky rebate and exclusivity agreements to shut out AMD. This is wrong no matter how you slice it. Intel should be punished for that.
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I dont recall seeing alot of AMD advertisments either advertising their products, i can recall seeing on tv and print plenty of Intel advertisments, but no AMD.......

Sure Intel had some questionable tactics, but AMD didnt help it's self either playing off of, and seems still, playing the "victim" role.

To me it is AMDs own fault for not properly advertising their product to sell their own buisness to tbe public to become better known as an alternative.
 
Jesus christ man. If your idea of business is using everything in your power to fuck your competition even when they have the superior products, then I am happy that you're just some random goof on a forum and not running a business.
 
So let me get this straight...

1) Intel force vendors like Toshiba, HP, Dell, etc to buy mainly Intel chips up to 95%
2) Intel reaps all the money with their inferior CPUs (Intel PIII and PIV)
3) Years later people are cool about it?

Seriously guys... just because time passes by doesn't mean your off the hook. If Intel committed a crime then they need to face justice.

But like I say in another thread. Intel could care less about forking over a billion or two over to the EU. They establish a strong image to the average consumer.

I mean how many people do you guys know that will buy a laptop/desktop just because it is an Intel. Hell how often do you guys see people with new laptops/desktops with low end CPUs (e21xx or T2xxx) that pay twice than its worth.

Its a win-win situation for Intel.
 
Anyone notice the smilie face on the side of the page to the left? They were being humorous... I found it funny. Wasn't Tonya winning before the assault?
 
More like Intel is a Tonya with schizophrenia.

Seriously. On one hand you've got Intel's Moblin Project, which they actually gave up control to... and then shoved out a kick-rump update just weeks later. You've also got Keith Packard working on the Open-Licensed graphics drivers, and multiple employees working on the Gallium project. Intel's doing a lot of good things in the Open-Source world. If that's their left hand...

Their right hand is holding a monkey wrench and smashing everything else in sight. When the anti-trust complaints were brought up, many in the tech support world responded with something to the effect of : it took this long? Intel's illegal actions haven't really gone unnoticed... and from the evidence submitted to the Japanese, Korean, and European legal systems alone, Intel's still pressuring Vendors to not touch stuff like AMD or Via chips. Can one imagine how well Transmeta could have done if Vendors shipping Transmeta hardware were allowed to advertise and compare Transmeta systems battery life and functionality against Centrino base hardware? More than one laptop vendor that I'm aware of had strict instructions from Intel that limited the number of Transmeta chip laptops they could build, and in one case purchases from Intel required that Vendor to not advertise the Transmeta chips in the same flyers or advertisements as the Centrino chips.

Intel's a bully. No other way to say it.

Now, the hope is, share-holders of Intel will look at the EU punishment, and force those responsible to step down. Yes, that means goodbye CEO Paul S. Otellini. On other hand, that could give people like Daniel Snyder and Keith Packard a chance to run the company. Which would be a good thing indead.
 
None of you people know what you are talking about!!! AMD found out that Intel is going to start making porn movies!
 
Well... Since Nancy got 2nd place and Tonya got 4th, I can't see that comparison... AMD are getting smacked in this generation of processors.. Now ATI vs Nvidia that might work.

Here is a more recent photograph of Tonya and Nancy tho.
Nancy is still HOT even after 3 kids..
Tonya is not so and even without kids.

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Why is it so hard for the Intel Fan boy to accept that Intel has been illegally monopolizing the market? Is it such a stretch? Are they just upset that they perceive AMD is rubbing it in their faces? If you have been wronged for years is it not naturally to gloat when you finally have a victory. The make better CPUs argument doesn't fly, when AMD lowered their price point to match price/performance ratios, they still couldn't get them into boxes because they had been locked out of the market. Face it, competition is good. Better products from AMD forced Intel to give us the Core 2 products. If AMD were to fold, we would see R&D slow down from Intel and that is a fact. AMD is not good for Intel but good for you and me.
 
Anyone remember what happened with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Even though HD had superior technology and a more mature product and was first to market, they lost because of Sony's cut-throat practices. Same with AMD for a long time AMD had vastly superior chips than Intel, and while AMD did ok during this time, they never got the penetration they should have in a fair market....because Intel was pressuring vendors and manipulating the market imo.

In a fair market capitalist system the superior technology and price point is supposed to win... when it does not this is usually a good indication that direct or indirect manipulation is happening somewhere.
 
JUSTJOEL73 said:
Are they just upset that they perceive AMD is rubbing it in their faces? If you have been wronged for years is it not naturally to gloat when you finally have a victory.
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Not for a huge, multinational corporation, it's not. It makes you look like just as much of a douchebag, if not more so, as the other guys.

VPs of corporations shouldn't act like 5-year-olds.
 
MavericK96 said:
Pull up the specs on both and show me exactly how HD-DVD was the "superior" technology.
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I've got to agree. HD-DVD was never a superior technology. I would have liked to have seen it win only because it was cheaper to upgrade along that path than along the BR path.

The real problem HD-DVD had is that it didn't do enough to leverage it's position. BR pushers were much more proactive at attracting large studios and early adopters (thanks to the PS3 in large part). If the HD camp had pushed a little harder or given rebates to Microsoft to put an HD-DVD in the 360 they may have had a much more successful campaign in beating BR.
 
No doubt corks are popping at the AMD headquarters after the EU ruling and AMD are doing their best to bring extra attention to it…

Methadras said:
Do you think the EU decision would have somehow magically made AMD a better company with a better product? If you do, I want to hear from you how you could excuse this latest round of PR nonsense as an indicator that AMD will come out stronger because Intel got punished.
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@Methadras I think the EU ruling is a little too late, obviously AMD’s PR is a little stupid but the bottom line is intel HAS obviously been acting illegally and it had to stop.
Think about it… AMD is in deep trouble now, AMD has no high end products to gain them some extra capitol… they are posting large losses every quarter…

Over the past decade (until core2), AMD has competed very well against their rival intel in technology … and with a much smaller R&D budget, and usually a full step/generation behind in their manufacturing process… First to 1Ghz, first to 64bit, invotations like onboard memory controller, NX bit…

Athlon 64 gave them a multi-year lead on intel… and now there here… they had a multi year lead on Intel and yet they failed to capture the market, failed to reap the benefits that their premium priced cpu’s may have brought them had they achieved greater market share… and while AMD where in the lead, did you see many OEM boxes with AMD chips in them…. No

I’m not saying whether or not going out and buying ATi was a mistake, down the track it may prove to be a real asset to them, who knows…

But Intel HAVE been found guilty of illegal market practices, and this MAY have directly led to AMD’s failure to really capture the OEM market during the period in which they did have the superior product.

If AMD had gained the market share… and the sales that they should have during that period, the landscape could be different today… a larger AMD with a bigger R&D budget…

Who knows…

I can’t say AMD haven’t made their share of mistakes… Phenom 1 Launch was a PR Disaster, I’m sure it left a really sour taste in any fanboys mouth…
 
I am gonna side with AMD :p

Because even though I use Intel, I know if AMD wasn't there Intel wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of me in ways I never want to know.

Why do you even think Intel was pushed to make the Duo chips? You can thank AMD for that.....
 
CopyCat said:
I am gonna side with AMD :p

Because even though I use Intel, I know if AMD wasn't there Intel wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of me in ways I never want to know.

Why do you even think Intel was pushed to make the Duo chips? You can thank AMD for that.....
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QFT. There is no R&D without competition.
 
If AMD wasn't there, I wouldn't need to update so often... I'd go 2-3 years with the same.. everything... cause I could...
 
CopyCat said:
I am gonna side with AMD :p

Because even though I use Intel, I know if AMD wasn't there Intel wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of me in ways I never want to know.

Why do you even think Intel was pushed to make the Duo chips? You can thank AMD for that.....
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Hardly anyone here is saying that they want AMD dead. That doesn't mean they should make inappropriate comments about this situation. It would speak volumes for their integrity if they would, frankly, just shut the hell up instead of whining and trying to rub it in Intel's face.
 
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