Q6600 vs i7 920

Encoding and Photoshop will be faster, but generally speaking they don't really need to be.

What games are you playing? Unless we're talking massive RTS, it probably won't make a substantial difference there either.
 
Atech said:
Bollocks.
WiC, Sup Com, Quake Wars and FarCry all like my i7 better than my old Q6600.

1 out of 2 isn't that bad.

2 wrong out of 3 is bad:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU3OCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2333775,00.asp

Stop giving bad advice.
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His question was is it worth upgrading, not will there be a massive difference if I upgrade. At the end of the day, no, there will not be. Unless of course he does alot of video encoding, then by all means upgrade. x264 scales very well.

Stop misinterpreting the question.
 
What speed is your Q6600? If you are faster than 3.2GHz then I would say that it is not worth it. Sure the i7 would be faster but I don't think that it is worth the price of a new mobo, RAM and CPU. If your Q6600 is not faster than 3.2GHz, what the hell are you doing in [H]ardforum? I could get my Q6600 G0 to 3.2GHz with less than stock voltage (1.325V).

Some people would think that it is worth it to spend a big amout of money to gain a little bit more speed, that's why you will see that some people will have a PhysX card or a Killer NIC or both in their rig...
 
alg7_munif said:
Some people would think that it is worth it to spend a big amout of money to gain a little bit more speed, that's why you will see that some people will have a PhysX card or a Killer NIC or both in their rig...
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Bahaha, I didn't want to point that out because Atech already hates me. :p
 
Atech said:
Don't flatter yourself...you gave bad advice, I showed that...keep the fallacies to yourselfs. :rolleyes:
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I didn't give any advice. I gave my opinion on the subjective question of "Is it worth upgrading?". If you are going to use the word "fallacy" (which you seem to do in every thread you participate in), learn what it means.
 
criccio said:
I didn't give any advice. I gave my opinion on the subjective question of "Is it worth upgrading?". If you are going to use the word "fallacy" (which you seem to do in every thread you participate in), learn what it means.
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You gave bad (read: WRONG) advice.

i7 > Core2Quad in Photoshop...every site has shown this.

The fallacies first came into play AFTER your bad post.
You couldn't rebuttal, so you resorted to fallacies...pure smoke&mirrors to hide your piss-poor advice in conflict with reality :rolleyes:
 
Atech said:
You gave bad (read: WRONG) advice.
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:rolleyes:

The question was, once again, "Is it worth upgrading?" Not, "Is the i7 920 faster then the Q6600"

Did you not catch that?

I gave an "opinion" based on the difference an upgrade would make with his situation and the cost of all the parts required.

IMO, which is what the question was asking, I simple answered No. That is NOT a fallacy, it is an opinion. Learn the difference. IMO, the gains that he would see are not worth upgrading because of the cost involved.

The only "fallacy" here is your inability to understand the OP's question. That and your need to swing your e-peen around about how much faster your i7 is.
 
criccio said:
:rolleyes:

The question was, once again, "Is it worth upgrading?" Not, "Is the i7 920 faster then the Q6600"

Did you not catch that?

I gave an "opinion" based on the difference an upgrade would make with his situation and the cost of all the parts required.

IMO, which is what the question was asking, I simple answered No. That is NOT a fallacy, it is an opinion. Learn the difference. IMO, the gains that he would see are not worth upgrading because of the cost involved.

The only "fallacy" here is your inability to understand the OP's question. That and your need to swing your e-peen around about how much faster your i7 is.
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20% time is a lot saved (and I am being generous here)...maybe your time isn't worth anything...mine is.
 
Another thing to consider. The x58 allows you to SLI and Crossfire on the same platform, and shows great increases when using multiple cards over 775 boards.
 
Atech said:
20% time is a lot saved (and I am being generous here)...maybe your time isn't worth anything...mine is.
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According to dictionary.com, fallacy means:

1. A false notion.
2. A statement or an argument based on a false or invalid inference.
3. Incorrectness of reasoning or belief; erroneousness.
4. The quality of being deceptive.

I think criccio was just pointing out that it's not really worth it to spend over $300 to upgrade from a Q6600 to i7 platform if your only benefit is a 20% increase in time saved. (And according to your post above, that's being generous). In short, if a task takes 20 minutes to complete in photoshop on a Q6600, then it would only take the i7 about 16 minutes to complete in a best case scenario.

Now unless the OP is running photoshop 24/7, it might not be in his best interest to shell out over $300 to save a few minutes on photoshop. You stated earlier that criccio's advice was 'pure smoke&mirrors...', but I don't see any of that. What exactly does he reference or base his opinion on, that you would call out as 'smoke&mirrors'?

His statement to the OP that it may not be worth upgrading based on what the OP would be using the CPU for, is reasoned and I do not think he was trying to be deceptive. I would agree with criccio's opinion in this case. I see that you have an i7 in your sig, so perhaps you may be trying to justify your own purchase of this cpu?
 
Nearsite said:
According to dictionary.com, fallacy means:

1. A false notion.
2. A statement or an argument based on a false or invalid inference.
3. Incorrectness of reasoning or belief; erroneousness.
4. The quality of being deceptive.

I think criccio was just pointing out that it's not really worth it to spend over $300 to upgrade from a Q6600 to i7 platform if your only benefit is a 20% increase in time saved. (And according to your post above, that's being generous). In short, if a task takes 20 minutes to complete in photoshop on a Q6600, then it would only take the i7 about 16 minutes to complete in a best case scenario.

Now unless the OP is running photoshop 24/7, it might not be in his best interest to shell out over $300 to save a few minutes on photoshop. You stated earlier that criccio's advice was 'pure smoke&mirrors...', but I don't see any of that. What exactly does he reference or base his opinion on, that you would call out as 'smoke&mirrors'?

His statement to the OP that it may not be worth upgrading based on what the OP would be using the CPU for, is reasoned and I do not think he was trying to be deceptive. I would agree with criccio's opinion in this case. I see that you have an i7 in your sig, so perhaps you may be trying to justify your own purchase of this cpu?
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Try an document that statement I have bolded for you...(can't anybody here read anymore?)...if you can, I will reply to your post
 
I am sorry guys I did not want to start this flame war. My Q6600 was running @ 3.0.

And I am planning to have i7 run @ 3.0. :)
 
anabioz said:
I am sorry guys I did not want to start this flame war. My Q6600 was running @ 3.0.

And I am planning to have i7 run @ 3.0. :)
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Do you think that it is worth it to buy a new mobo, RAM and CPU to gain just a little bit more performance clock for clock? You can get to near the performance of a 3.0GHz i7 for free if you could overclock your Q6600 higher than it is now. Give it all you have and if you manage to kill it while trying then you will have an excuse to buy the i7. :D

Btw the flame war was not started by you. ;)
 
in my opinion q6600 is good enough since not much out there uses quad core yet. so going with proven q6600 and the plethora of already tested mobos to go with it and not to mention cheaper, i suggest going with the c2d.
 
Eh, I already sold my GA-X48-DQ6 and the 8GB Of mushkins redlines. I bought an X58 gigabyte for 100USD shipped :)

And ram is pretty cheap now. I can get OCZ 1600 8-8-8-24 6GB for $80.
 
I'm strongly considering upgrading because no matter what I did, I could never get my 6600 past 3.0 and maintain complete stability. I think I just got a bum draw on the chip lottery, but that's the way it goes.
 
poor darkpaw, I got mine upto 3.8. i had a G0 stepping and 1.2326VID

:)

cherry picked baby :)
 
Atech said:
Try an document that statement I have bolded for you...(can't anybody here read anymore?)...if you can, I will reply to your post
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you seem like a real dick. you like fish sticks? i bet you do...
 
Atech likes to start arguments in almost every thread he participates in. Its almost laughable at this point.

Anyway, OP, it comes down to if you are willing to shell out for a new mobo, cpu and RAM.
 
Sorry i did not try to insult anybody. I was just completing the joke. Thank you guys for your replies. Let's not insult each other. I EQUALLY Thank every one of you who gave me advices.
 
Unless you can come up with a better reason to upgrade right now, I would say hold off on the i7's until they do their next die shrink. Nobody seems to know if the newer i7's will be compatible with the current chipsets... no use heading into another dead-end. I would suspect they would be compatible with a BIOS update, but still... at that time, Im sure there will be a round of motherboard refreshing as well... and you will likely be able to get either older boards for cheap, or a new one. As it is, i7 sales are in the crapper... 1% and showing no sign of gain, so Im sure prices will be dropping even further in the next two quarters. I would say i7 920's for $150 and mobos for same. Just think, the first gen boards like the Rampage 2 Extreme (with all of its bugs) and the Gigabyte UD Extreme will be a year old soon... Im sure Asus and Gigabyte are going to be whipping out new versions of old crap in the near future because its due.
 
alg7_munif said:
... Some people would think that it is worth it to spend a big amout of money to gain a little bit more speed, that's why you will see that some people will have a PhysX card or a Killer NIC or both in their rig...
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Sorry, OT, but this made me LOL so hard, I had to post. :eek: :D
 
criccio said:
Atech likes to start arguments in almost every thread he participates in. Its almost laughable at this point.

Anyway, OP, it comes down to if you are willing to shell out for a new mobo, cpu and RAM.
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Just don't argue with him in a thread that he started because he paid for the GenMay subscription and I know that he will close his thread if he is losing the argument. ;)

To the OP, $100 for a new mobo, $80 for RAM, and maybe another $100 for the CPU if you manage to sell the Q6600 at a high price, I still think that it is not worth it.
 
ofcourse it be better maybe even for all of them. however you are looking at a new cpu, motherboard and ram. all at premium prices. worth the money i think not. OC your Q6600 costs nothing and will give you a nice boost. on auto settings im running 3.4ghz although i cant go much higher lol.

Just oc it and wait for the prices to go down. or the next gen. a q6600 is more then capable atm on games im getitng about 20% cpu usage. and thats cod for dow2 ect..
 
"Worth" is relative to you and you alone. Only you know if the cost is worth it to you. If you want it and can afford it then one might argue it is worth it..
 
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