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the caption under the video was my favorite part:
"Intruder Threatens Student With Bat, Student Punches Him"
"Intruder Threatens Student With Bat, Student Punches Him"
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It's sad to see every post wanking over how great it would be to shoot someone and reeling off how many (unnecessary) guns you own.
Why are geek forums so awash with ITGs??
Seriously, he would have left my house in a body bag.
All the dude would have got from me would have been 3 to 4 rounds of 40 cal.
I've got a donk
You don't shoot to wound.
You shoot to kill.
Deadly force is to be used only when authorized. So, if you shoot someone, your goal should be to kill them.
If you shoot someone, and your aim was not to kill them, you should not have shot them.
I think this point doesn't get emphasized enough. I apologize if I am preaching to the choir.
Nobody is "wanking" over how great it would be to shoot someone.
They are "wanking" over how great it is to BE ABLE TO DEFEND YOURSELF IN YOUR OWN HOME IF YOU NEED TO.
I live in America. We have a Constitution with an amendment that says we are allowed to own a firearm to defend ourselves against douchebags with ill-intent.
Also, I live in Texas (one of the states in America that is still free) so I can defend my property with deadly force (as we SHOULD be able to).
If you don't like it, fine.
thats the one thing that i don't get about law in this country... like you guys bring up, an intruder gets a .45 welcoming committee upon entering my house. however killing them is too easy, seriously, this isn't like sadistic or anything, i think non fatal shots teach a much greater lesson for intent to hard. If they spend their life limp from the neck down, or never walk again because their knees are missing. Thats more of a lesson learned than the body bag.
yet if that happens then you are arrested...what a great justice system.
that being said, good for this dude, though the intruder deserved a few more hits from the bat methinks.
But yes, Manaknight, if your goal is to kill them, and you fail - they can sue you (our legal system seems to be broken).
That's one of the reasons I practice my shooting skills
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Nobody is "wanking" over how great it would be to shoot someone.
They are "wanking" over how great it is to BE ABLE TO DEFEND YOURSELF IN YOUR OWN HOME IF YOU NEED TO.
I live in America. We have a Constitution with an amendment that says we are allowed to own a firearm to defend ourselves against douchebags with ill-intent.
Also, I live in Texas (one of the states in America that is still free) so I can defend my property with deadly force (as we SHOULD be able to).
If you don't like it, fine.
its people like you thats the problem with this country. people who think its ok to use deadly force to defend PROPERTY. Give me a break. Your life is not in danger is someone in standing in your neighbors yard or stealing you TV. i think people like you have a mental defect.
No. As far as the law in concerned you shoot to STOP the threat. You tell the police you shot to kill and you might find yourself in jail. Inside the home in a Castle Law state it may vary a bit, but you need to look at the precise text of the law. In Texas, you shoot to stop the threat. You aim for center mass and if they die they die. You never tell a lawyer or the police you shot to kill. Sadly the law often makes a distinction between self-defense and execution even when it applies to some douche bag who broke into your house.
My life is not in danger if someone is stealing my TV?
If someone enters MY home, against MY will, refuses to leave, and starts stealing my shit, I'm going to shoot them.
Next time you're getting robbed, and you are in your home, let me know how it goes.
Maybe you'll get shot and your wife will get raped. Then, you can be part of "the problem with this country."
You're an idiot. Go back to your starbucks and type on your Mac.
I'm going to have to side with LawGiver on this one. You are looking for excuses to kill people. You're hiding behind law books committing murder. That's what makes you deranged. You don't shoot a burglar to kill. Shoot to stop him, fine, but don't shoot solely for the purpose of seeing him dead.
You don't shoot to wound.
You shoot to kill.
Deadly force is to be used only when authorized. So, if you shoot someone, your goal should be to kill them.
If you shoot someone, and your aim was not to kill them, you should not have shot them.
I think this point doesn't get emphasized enough. I apologize if I am preaching to the choir.
TOOL1075's Sig said:Everything I say on this forum is a lie. Except that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that.
Yes. Yes you did.
Oh hey lets throw this in for irony.
its people like you thats the problem with this country. people who think its ok to use deadly force to defend PROPERTY. Give me a break. Your life is not in danger is someone in standing in your neighbors yard or stealing you TV. i think people like you have a mental defect.
My life is not in danger if someone is stealing my TV?
If someone enters MY home, against MY will, refuses to leave, and starts stealing my shit, I'm going to shoot them.
Next time you're getting robbed, and you are in your home, let me know how it goes.
Maybe you'll get shot and your wife will get raped. Then, you can be part of "the problem with this country."
I'm going to have to side with LawGiver on this one. You are looking for excuses to kill people. You're hiding behind law books committing murder. That's what makes you deranged. You don't shoot a burglar to kill. Shoot to stop him, fine, but don't shoot solely for the purpose of seeing him dead.
I'm going to have to side with LawGiver on this one. You are looking for excuses to kill people. You're hiding behind law books committing murder. That's what makes you deranged. You don't shoot a burglar to kill. Shoot to stop him, fine, but don't shoot solely for the purpose of seeing him dead.
Also,
Do you honestly think shooting someone ONCE always "stops" them?
Depending on the psychological/physiological state of the adversary, drugs in their system, etc,
THEY MAY KEEP ON GOING.
When you shoot to stop, you are immobilizing your enemy. Immobilization from gunshot wounds and death go hand-in-hand.
Yes, there is a possibility that they might survive. HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE COUNTING ON THAT POSSIBILITY, BAD MOVE!!! YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE USED DEADLY FORCE!!!
If you don't understand this, then please - don't own a gun for self defense. We don't need more irresponsible gun owners than there already are.
its people like you thats the problem with this country. people who think its ok to use deadly force to defend PROPERTY. Give me a break. Your life is not in danger if someone in standing in your neighbors yard or stealing your TV. i think people like you have a mental defect.
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its people like you thats the problem with this country. people who think its ok to use deadly force to defend PROPERTY. Give me a break. Your life is not in danger if someone in standing in your neighbors yard or stealing your TV. i think people like you have a mental defect.
Texas self defense law, FYI:
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm
Deadly Force in Defense of Person
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another if he would be justified in using force under Section 9.31 of the statute when and to the degree he reasonable believes that deadly force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force, if a reasonable person in the same situation would have not retreated. The use of deadly force is also justified to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, rape or robbery."
Deadly Force to Protect Property
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"
I have to disagree. This is just backwards to me. How are people defending their property "the problem." The problem is the burglars\robbers, not the victims.
Remove the burglar\robber from the equation and you have no problem. Remove the gun from the equation and you have an empowered robber.
Next time you're getting robbed, and you are in your home, let me know how it goes.
Maybe you'll get shot and your wife will get raped. Then, you can be part of "the problem with this country."
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its people like you thats the problem with this country. people who think its ok to use deadly force to defend PROPERTY. Give me a break. Your life is not in danger if someone in standing in your neighbors yard or stealing your TV. i think people like you have a mental defect.
This isn't going to get through to people because this thread is just a Texas circle-jerk, but anyway...
Just because your parents could afford to get you into a good college and you used your daddy's contacts to land a cushy well-paid job, doesn't mean you're entitled to shit like 60" HDTVs and $5000 stereos. Get over yourselves, robbers don't deserve to die. The wife-rape card is just scaremongering NRA propaganda bullshit.
It IS ok to use deadly force to defend property. It's in the Texas state constitution. See my last post.
I wonder how many of you guys would REALLY attack a burglar. It's too easy to beat your chest and say bring it on, and when it actually happens, you'll be under your bed sucking your thumbs.
I liked the Hydro-shocks in my .357Mag They made nice little shrooms!
Now I'm a fan of Golden Sabers. In .45 cal that is.
So many parts of that are so sad and true. #1...yeah..people getting shot is hardly like the movies. 1 round rarely stops anyone, unless it is to a vital area, and then often times, they keep fighting even though they are dead. They just don't know it yet. #2..getting sued by the guy who breaks in....sad but possible.
As I live in Texas, I would have kept shooting him after reloading. You can never be too sure that someone's not going to survive 10 gunshot wounds and sue you.
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its people like you thats the problem with this country. people who think its ok to use deadly force to defend PROPERTY. Give me a break. Your life is not in danger if someone in standing in your neighbors yard or stealing your TV. i think people like you have a mental defect.
This isn't going to get through to people because this thread is just a Texas circle-jerk, but anyway...
Just because your parents could afford to get you into a good college and you used your daddy's contacts to land a cushy well-paid job, doesn't mean you're entitled to shit like 60" HDTVs and $5000 stereos. Get over yourselves, robbers don't deserve to die. The wife-rape card is just scaremongering NRA propaganda bullshit.
This isn't going to get through to people because this thread is just a Texas circle-jerk, but anyway...
Just because your parents could afford to get you into a good college and you used your daddy's contacts to land a cushy well-paid job, doesn't mean you're entitled to shit like 60" HDTVs and $5000 stereos. Get over yourselves, robbers don't deserve to die. The wife-rape card is just scaremongering NRA propaganda bullshit.