Just got a Samsung XL30 - 30" LED

pawstar said:
Does the monitor produce any noise now that it doesn't have a fluorescent backlight? Also, does this one have any fans like older & smaller led back-lit monitors?
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If you put your ear to the back of the monitor, you will hear noise, but noise is not a problem when using the monitor.

I don't see or hear a fan, but there may be one somewhere. If there is one, it's very quiet.

The monitor runs remarkably cool - very little heat is generated.

It really is very nice other than the color instability at minimum brightness.

One other thing to note is that this monitor has no frills. Just one input, no OSD, and only brightness and graphics mode buttons. Build quality is about the same as the 305T - nothing fancy. It's one of those products where it's clear that there's a lot of scope for price reduction in the future.

It has a scaler - I tried scaling 1920x1200 to 2560x1600, and it works fine, but the quality of the scaling is not as good as on my 3008WFP.
 
visualguy said:
It has a scaler - I tried scaling 1920x1200
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Did you really input a 1920x1200 signal? Because setting the desktop resolution to 1920x1200 means your video card still outputs 2560x1600 and the monitor doesn't scale.

Do you have the dumb-looking hood attached? ;)
 
zzz said:
Did you really input a 1920x1200 signal? Because setting the desktop resolution to 1920x1200 means your video card still outputs 2560x1600 and the monitor doesn't scale.

Do you have the dumb-looking hood attached? ;)
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My video driver is set to let the monitor do the scaling, so, yes, I'm sure it was 1920x1200 scaled to 2560x1600 by the monitor.

I never attached the hood, and don't plan to...
 
that's one of my concern on this guy. I always thought that since Samsung gives you the hood, you must have it for contrast reason. But the atmosphere of my room would look so ugly w/ that hood
 
Happy Hopping said:
that's one of my concern on this guy. I always thought that since Samsung gives you the hood, you must have it for contrast reason. But the atmosphere of my room would look so ugly w/ that hood
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It probably does helps reduce glare (hence contrast) and improve image uniformity, but if you have a "properly" well lit computer room/office, I doubt it would offer any real advantage.
 
What makes this better than the LCD3090WQXI?
This new NEC has the identical stats but half the price. Thinking about getting one.
 
McCartney said:
What makes this better than the LCD3090WQXI?
This new NEC has the identical stats but half the price. Thinking about getting one.
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I think the NEC is better overall, yes it has a slightly lower gamut and less even backlight but it's IPS something PVA will never match in areas where it counts (viewing angle, black/grey detail, constast/colour stability, overdrive afterglow, input lag, RTC errors)
 
Im' probably going to pick up a LCD3090WQXI in a couple weeks along with my skulltrail and 9775s.

May sell my 275T and then use that money to buy a 20 inch for my parents (They're taking the downstairs apple Cinema since the business needs a new LCD) and then toss another 600 into my skulltrail fund that's to be later this month or early next mo.
 
SpeedyVV said:
Man, I hope that dude was mean to you before, because that is kind of rude dude.
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In what way? I did say nothing personal, just talking about a big company not a ma and pa store.

Sorry didnt mean to jack this thread.
 
visualguy said:
My video driver is set to let the monitor do the scaling, so, yes, I'm sure it was 1920x1200 scaled to 2560x1600 by the monitor.
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Well...I have an nvidia graphics card and 3007WFP-HC, which definitely has no scaler. In the control panel, under "Change flat panel scaling", if I set it to "Use my display's built-in scaling" and proceed to set my resolution to 1920x1200, it still fits to the screen and functions fine. Of course, without a scaler, the monitor shouldn't be able to do anything with a 1920x1200 signal, so the control panel option must be lying. Your trial is also in question.
 
Nice to see a 30" LED based monitor, but the price has a long way to go before they can sell more.
 
Dapperdan said:
In what way? I did say nothing personal, just talking about a big company not a ma and pa store.

Sorry didnt mean to jack this thread.
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Dapperdan, no biggie I guess, but I used to be in sales for a very big company, and sometimes people felt it was ok to "bash" the company I was working for during a sales call.

Remember the "big company" put food on my table and fed my kids.

Well, I took it personally and should not. Neither during my sales days, nor in this thread ;)


Cheers
 
I just received another XL30. This one doesn't have the color instability at low brightness that my first one has. The color is stable at all brightness levels. On the other hand, the image on this unit is not as nice as on the first one. There are two problems with it:

1) The left side of the screen is somewhat brighter than the right side. This is not something that you would expect to see in a monitor at this price point, not to mention one that is targeted at color-critical applications. However, with these types of problems, it's always hard to say if the monitor left the factory this way, or if it's a result of rough handling during shipping. At any rate, it looks like LED technology doesn't provide a guarantee against uneven brightness... If the LEDs end up being slightly closer to the LCD on one side than the other, you'll get uneven brightness. Similarly, I guess temperature variations across the LED strips can cause this problem. I can't wait for OLED which should eliminate these problems since there's no backlight!

2) Something is not quite right with the color quality. For example, whites don't look quite as good as on my first unit. I goofed around with the calibrator a little bit, but couldn't get colors to look as good as on my first unit. One annoyance is that the Samsung calibration software doesn't run on 64-bit Vista, so I could only create ICC profiles with software that I downloaded from the manufacturer of the calibrator, but I couldn't program the monitor itself since that requires the Samsung software.

Other issues:

1) On both monitors I noticed some interference (lines of dots) on occasion. It looks like some noise in the DVI signal path. I didn't have this problem with other 30" monitors on the same computer (such as my 3008WFP and Apple). Sometimes it's persistent, and goes away when the monitor is power cycled. I also had a couple of occasions where the image was all messed up just after turning on the monitor and the computer. It seems like something is buggy with the electronics. It's too early to say how serious all this is - it happened very rarely so far, but something must be not quite right.

2) See my previous posting about the color instability at low brightness on my first unit.

3) Minor issue, but indicative of a lack of attention to detail: the shiny ring around the base of the monitor is not protected with plastic wrap like the shiny areas in the 3008WFP. The only thing that protects it from getting scratched by the foam during shipping is the white cover that is placed on the entire monitor. This is not sufficient for something with a glossy clear finish, not to mention that the cover tends to tear in areas like this during shipping. This means that there are fine scratches on the base where it came into contact with the foam. It's not a big deal, and it's not obvious unless you look carefully for it; just something I would have expected them to do better. Even Dell does it better.

Other observations:

1) The brightness level about a third into the brightness range is 120cd/m2. I didn't measure the minimum and maximum.

2) The monitor has a fan, but it stays off unless the temperature increases beyond a certain level. LEDs are easily destroyed by high temperature.
 
Visualguy, could you please give us an update on your XL30? I am curious if you still are using it after ~2 months and your opinions/notes/rants on it and if you would choose something else (NEC? HP?) over it if you were to buy a new 30"-er today.
 
pawstar said:
Visualguy, could you please give us an update on your XL30? I am curious if you still are using it after ~2 months and your opinions/notes/rants on it and if you would choose something else (NEC? HP?) over it if you were to buy a new 30"-er today.
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The XL30 has great potential assuming you don't mind the PVA gamma shift issue (which doesn't bother me - I prefer PVA to IPS.) The LED backlight provides better colors than any CCFL that I've seen (even when calibrating to sRGB, not to mention wide gamut). Color and brightness uniformity are potentially better than any CCFL-based panel. It's practically impossible to get CCFL to be uniform across the screen at multiple brightness levels, but it's doable with LED.

The panel is great too - I love how text on white background looks - especially when compared to IPS panels.

So, if the panel is wonderful and the LED backlight is great, what's not to like? Well, unfortunately, there are some issues which I discussed before. I bought four of the first batch of these monitors. Perhaps some of the issues have been addressed in later batches, but the ones I got had various issues. Here's a summary:

1) Occasional video noise that looks like a DVI signal integrity problem. Reducing the pixel clock of the timing mode from the standard (for 2560x1600) 268MHz to 222MHz (55Hz refresh instead of 60Hz) seems to get around the problem. All four monitors suffered from this.

2) Color instability. One of the monitors suffered from this in particular, but all of them have a tendency to change the hue occasionally. It's like there's some adaptive circuit that controls the LEDs or the LCD and it makes some subtle hue changes once in a while.

3) Color and brightness uniformity. Absolutely fabulous on one of the units, but not so great on the others. The brightness non-uniformity is not such a big issue, but the color non-uniformity is a problem. There's a reddish tint on parts of the screen. It's worse on some units than others. The technology clearly has great potential as evidenced by one of the units which exceeds anything that you can dream of with CCFL technology, but I guess the LED control or maybe the LCD driving circuitry or something else can be pretty finicky and hard to get right, so the other three units are not quite as good. A couple really bothered me because the transition between brightness levels or different tints happened in the middle of the screen, so if you looked at a white window in the middle of the screen and read a sentence, half the sentence would have a reddish tint and half would have a greenish tint, and this type of inconsistency is quite noticeable to the eye even when the color difference is subtle.

4) The sRGB preset is somewhat buggy - if you turn on the monitor with the mode set to sRGB, the brightness is 10cd/m2 higher than it should be. If you press the "mode" button a few times to switch modes away and then back the sRGB, the brightness goes back to what it should be.

5) Bad pixels. One unit had a speck of dirt under the glass, but no bad pixels. The other three units all had at least one bad subpixel. One unit had three.

6) The calibration software doesn't run on 64-bit Windows.

I also have the Eizo CG301W which uses the same panel, but with a CCFL backlight instead of LED. My best XL30 is significantly better than the CG301W in terms of color quality and brightness uniformity, but the CG301W is bug-free at least...

Bottom line: Great technology potential, but there are a few things that Samsung needs to fix... Still, even with all the warts, it's the best 30" monitor you can get (even better than the Eizo CG301W), but you need to pray for a good unit, and you need to put up with some issues such as changing the video timing (unless they fixed that already).
 
Thanks for the update, visualguy!

I've been putting off getting a new monitor for way too long - there just doesn't seem to be a "perfect" 30"-er out there. I was thinking of getting the NEC 3090 but so far there are a few too many show stopping issues with that one: relatively poor text quality, long warm up period, excessive heat and way too bright. So far I've narrowed the choises down to this one and the the older HP 30" monitor. The only wildcard ATM is whether Apple will finally update their CinemaDisplays during WWDC this year (LED IPS please?).

I like many things I hear about this monitor, but knowing there are plenty of bugs in it is more than a little disconcerning, especially at the stratospheric price point. Any news on future price breaks any time soon? At a lower price point, it would be less of a gamble than it currently is. Another good question is whether the monitor is firmware upgradable. If so, that would certainly reduce some of the negative aspects of it.

I am quite surprised that the calibration software doesn't work on x64 machines given the target audience of the monitor (higher end machines easily have 4GB+ ram). Would a reasonable workaround be to run the software in a VMware session to calibrate the intenal LUT and then transfer over the ICC profile or does the calibration software need to run in the background to get optimal colors? I suppose we can expect an upgrade in the future.... But thats more of a minor issue compared to the others.

I'm curious, how bad is the gamma shift on the XL30 compared to other PVA monitors, like say the 305T? Does it also suffer from the typical PVA black crush issue when viewing perpendicular to the screen?

Also, are they using a 10-bit panel internally in the monitor? Can't find the exact specs, they keep mentioning a 10-bit LUT, but then how do they output the colors - true shades or dithering?

Cheers!
 
pawstar,

If Apple introduces a 30" LED IPS monitor anytime soon, it will use the same LG panel that's in the NEC 3090 and the Dell 3008WFP, so the issues with text quality and the grainy look will be the same. The LED backlight will only solve the warm up, heat, and excessive brightness issues.

I doubt that the price of the XL30 will drop in the near future. There's no competition with an LED backlight. The Eizo CG301W is even more expensive, and it uses CCFL.

I haven't seen any indication that the firmware can be upgraded on the XL30, and I would be surprised if this was the case. This monitor has very primitive controls - there's no OSD and no adjustments other than brightness. It's the same as the 305T in that regard, just with the addition of hardware calibration. Also, I believe that at least some of the issues that I mentioned are not firmware issues.

The calibration software didn't even work on 32-bit Vista until a very recent update. I'm not holding my breath for 64-bit support. I don't see how VMware would help - I doubt you can get the colorimeter and the DDC over DVI to work, for example.

In terms of gamma shift and black crush, the XL30 is identical to the 305T, and so is the Eizo CG301W, by the way.

Not sure about the bit depth of the panel itself, but it passes the tests on www.lagom.nl with flying colors...
 
Nozu said:
HINT:
Integrated Color should bring a new version from their calibration software ColorEyes Display any time soon. It's said to have full DDC support for Samsung XL -series, even in Vista x64!

http://www.integrated-color.com/
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Dang it! Yet another reason to feel buyers remorse over the NEC. (Lack of good working calibration software was one of the reasons I didn't get the XL - definitely not as critical as the signal integrity issue brought up, but still)

PS. Any word on a free upgrade for existing customers? Their v1.28 on PC was somewhat buggy on x64. The main app or LUTLoader would just crash for no apparent reason.
 
I considered myself buying a NEC, but after I found out that NEC's can be calibrated only with their own software and none other and their calibration software can be bought separately in the us, but not in the europe. As a european I'd have to buy the spectraview version which includes the software, but if I'd recall correctly not the calibrator. And this version costs 1000 euros more than the non spectraview version, and they've no difference other than included software and calibrator. So it's 1000 euros more for a software that costs 200 dollars in the us. Not to mension that the monitor itselft costs twice the price compared to the us. As a european I can only say one thing to NEC: Thanks a lot, screw you!

I tested the 1.28 of CED and indeed it crashed at every restart. I just yesterday asked from them that if the oncoming 1.60 version would be free to existing customers, but I haven't received an answer yet. I also asked about the ETA. I can post the answer here once I get it.
 
Hello all:
am new to the forum and am looking for a replacement monitor- I will be going to CES hopefully to see some of the 30 inch beasts in action . - worked for too many years as an technical supervisor for one of the big networks , now I teach a local art college and privately as well
I use a lot of DVD Videos on art for students and also do a great deal of cad work. SOME photo work. Basically 80 to 90 percent of my work is srgb
the problem is I'd like to get a 30 incher, and it seems that if the 305t is not in production, I'm left with only the Gateway - blackouts, poor technical support, and all- as the only choice, or the 3007 which being paranoid , I'd also like to avoid-
AND I'd prefer to get one with a built in LUT anyway , if possible
SO
I remember Visual Guy mentioning that there were VERY few 30 inch wide gamut devices with simulated SRGB wherein one can Calibrate this mode. I remember the Eizo 3031 and this monitor we are all discussing, the xl 30, were among those listed.
But much to my chagrin, in Prad review of the 3031 they noted that the calibrated srgb mode wasn't any more accurate that noncalibrated one.
Also I have read on this forum, sadly I might add - as it began on a very positive note and went downhill from there, that the SIPS NEC 3090 which doesn't have an adjustable srgb mode, also did not fare so well in srgb mode as far as color accuracy was concerned..
How fares the xl 30 in srgb mode as compared to a standard srgb monitor ?
if it supports an accurate srgb representation on calibration it would certainly make the short list.
Also I wonder if Samsung has gotten to the bug list Visual Guy pointed out ( good work here on the part of visual guy) with newer production runs - the weaker color , srgb bugs, software issues screen problems vis purity etc.
If everything comes up negative here, it looks like an NEC 24 will be in my future even though I have been hoping for something larger.
None the less the xl 30 does seem to be a monitor to see , hope there will be one at CES.
 
richard13 said:
Hello all:
am new to the forum and am looking for a replacement monitor- I will be going to CES hopefully to see some of the 30 inch beasts in action . - worked for too many years as an technical supervisor for one of the big networks , now I teach a local art college and privately as well
I use a lot of DVD Videos on art for students and also do a great deal of cad work. SOME photo work. Basically 80 to 90 percent of my work is srgb
the problem is I'd like to get a 30 incher, and it seems that if the 305t is not in production, I'm left with only the Gateway - blackouts, poor technical support, and all- as the only choice, or the 3007 which being paranoid , I'd also like to avoid-
AND I'd prefer to get one with a built in LUT anyway , if possible
SO
I remember Visual Guy mentioning that there were VERY few 30 inch wide gamut devices with simulated SRGB wherein one can Calibrate this mode. I remember the Eizo 3031 and this monitor we are all discussing, the xl 30, were among those listed.
But much to my chagrin, in Prad review of the 3031 they noted that the calibrated srgb mode wasn't any more accurate that noncalibrated one.
Also I have read on this forum, sadly I might add - as it began on a very positive note and went downhill from there, that the SIPS NEC 3090 which doesn't have an adjustable srgb mode, also did not fare so well in srgb mode as far as color accuracy was concerned..
How fares the xl 30 in srgb mode as compared to a standard srgb monitor ?
if it supports an accurate srgb representation on calibration it would certainly make the short list.
Also I wonder if Samsung has gotten to the bug list Visual Guy pointed out ( good work here on the part of visual guy) with newer production runs - the weaker color , srgb bugs, software issues screen problems vis purity etc.
If everything comes up negative here, it looks like an NEC 24 will be in my future even though I have been hoping for something larger.
None the less the xl 30 does seem to be a monitor to see , hope there will be one at CES.
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in Prad review of the 3031 they noted that the calibrated srgb mode wasn't any more accurate that noncalibrated one.
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You are confused. They never calibrated sRGB mode.
Visualguy will confuse you even more.

How fares the xl 30 in srgb mode as compared to a standard srgb monitor ?
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No objective info on that is available.
Same for other so-called "with calibratable sRGB mode".
Visualguy was asked several times to provide anything meanigful to confurm what he thinks out. Any bit of a hint of measurement of anything.
Noway! Only ... instead (an appropriate word would be not polite).
Prad says in the review of 3031: "Users who wish to work exclusively in sRGB would be better advised to select a monitor without an extended colour space."

XL30 is unacceptably primitive monitor, especially considering it's astronomical price.
It's not fully LUT calibratable even for it's native color space (mode) due to hardware/software limitations.

Gateway XHD3000 is way better for the work you listed than XL30.

Of course, the NEC 2490WUXi-SV is the best product you can buy for money so far. Unfortunately, it's enlarged copy does not exist.
 
richard13,

I don't know if Samsung fixed the XL30 bugs. The most serious was the signal integrity problem which caused flashing lines to appear on the screen. Their January 2008 batch suffered from this problem. Unless you can verify that the bug is fixed in the unit you buy, I can't recommend buying the monitor. Even if the bug is fixed, I would recommend spending the extra money for the Eizo CG301W if possible.

The XL30 supports LUT calibration of both the native and sRGB color spaces, and the deltaE results are very good based on my study.

The Eizo monitor that I talked about was the CG301W, not the SX3031W. The SX cannot be calibrated - the monitor doesn't have a programmable LUT. There is a native mode and an sRGB mode, but you're stuck with the way they were calibrated at the factory. The CG can be calibrated (both native and sRGB) using the excellent Color Navigator software from Eizo. The deltaE results are spectacular. It's a great monitor if you need fine control over color. The problem is that it's a very expensive monitor.
 
I just bought a XL30, I think it is the recently produced model. S/N ED30H1LQ400022H and Version SP01.

I suspect they have not made any changes to the monitor since it was first manufactured. I did get the newer X-Rite calibrator.

I have seen what you describe as flashing lines. I have never seen them in the default (Custom) mode. I am only using the monitor in Custom mode due to the fact that I have Vista 64 and I cannot get the calibration software to work on my Vista 64 machine.

I have only seen the flashing lines after changing modes, if I reboot my machine and the machine boots into any mode I have never seen the flashing lines.

While the flashing lines look identical to signal problems. The fact that I have only seen them when not in Custom mode suggests that they may be caused by a firmware issue related to the monitor using the LUT.

I have had a couple of the Apple 30 monitors and coincidentally they would also show a similar problem on rare occasions. Maybe once a month or two I would boot up the machine and some of the pixels would be stuck or some would flash, I would turn the monitor off and on and this would always fix the problem.
 
I almost forgot to post the reply I got from Integrated Color. Sorry about that.
The new version of Coloreyes Display (v1.60 I think) will be free to existing customers. There should be more information about the software in their website at the end of the week.

This new version should be the first calibration software that works with Vista x64 and communicates directly with monitors by DCC!

I'm not sure will the Samsung XL series be supported in the first release, but they have promised an update for it in the near future if it ain't so! So we have hope too!
 
pawstar said:
If anyone is interested, a "comprehensive" review of the XL30 (and XL24) was posted today on Xbitlabs: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sm-xl24-xl30.html (unfortunately, it talked too much about color gamut and too little about the monitor itself)
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It has been just translated from Russian.
As I said before (basing on this test) XL30 is full of issues.
It cannot be fully calibrated at all (no gamma curves).
For sRGB - the reviewer recommends look elsewhere.
 
albovin said:
.......... As I said before (basing on this test) XL30 is full of issues. ..........
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Which 30"monitor isn't ?
albovin said:
.......... It cannot be fully calibrated at all (no gamma curves). ..........
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Compared to your favourite brand's SpectraView II software, you've got a point there. But you and I are in Europe, and officially/legally we cannot buy SpectraView II in Europe. But we all know that SpectraView Profiler software (NEC Europe) does the same combination of in-monitor and in-graphics card (gamma curves) calibration for the MultiSync range, which Natural Color Expert (Samsung) employs for the XL-range. Should we say that NEC Europe set a bad example, which Samsung adopted ? Ofcourse not. Let's call it a shortcoming.
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For sRGB - the reviewer recommends look elsewhere.
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No he's not :
Fourth, you must know that most images are oriented at sRGB monitors and get distorted on non-sRGB monitors without color correction. Therefore it is necessary to use applications that support color management and to install a correct ICC profile of the monitor in the system. This problem is solved perfectly with the XL series, though. The included calibrator allows to create such a profile whenever you want it. Besides, the monitor supports hardware emulation of three color gamuts, two of which are standard and one is custom.

Generally speaking, the choice between Samsung’s SyncMaster XL20/XL24/XL30 and professional models with fluorescent backlight (produced by NEC or EIZO, for example) should be based on your personal requirements. If you need highest color accuracy within the ordinary sRGB color gamut, the XL series won’t be the best option. But if you are ready to compromise somewhat in order to be able to work within the AdobeRGB or even larger gamut, you should certainly consider the SyncMaster XL series.

Some people also think about purchasing an XL series monitor for home nonprofessional use as their price is quite affordable. In this case the XL series won’t disappoint you. It delivers vivid, lush colors, a good response time (quite enough for playing games), and hardware emulation of the standard color gamuts, which is very handy for home use because not all applications can work normally with non-sRGB monitors as yet.
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I am suffering so much from grainess and sparkle on my 3007! Thats why I only paid $849 for it and I am trying to get use to it before return it.
 
chong67 said:
I am suffering so much from grainess and sparkle on my 3007! Thats why I only paid $849 for it and I am trying to get use to it before return it.
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Aren't there any refurbished Samsung 305T or 305T+ ?
They do not have the same chemical AG-treatment as the *IPS panels.
If you're not firmly in either the *IPS or *PVA gang, they could be an option. I believe that the 305T non-plus has no HDCP on the DVI-port and the plus does, if that's important to you.
 
InToGraphics said:
No he's not :
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Generally speaking, the choice between Samsung’s SyncMaster XL20/XL24/XL30 and professional models with fluorescent backlight (produced by NEC or EIZO, for example) should be based on your personal requirements. If you need highest color accuracy within the ordinary sRGB color gamut, the XL series won’t be the best option.
Note: It's known in Russia that this reviewer pays much attention to Samsungs - to be politically correct.
So if he has to admit that something is wrong with Samsung, you can surely muliplay that by 3.
 
chong67 said:
I am suffering so much from grainess and sparkle on my 3007! Thats why I only paid $849 for it and I am trying to get use to it before return it.
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Matte coat effect is visible only when you work with text on bright background.
Set dpi to 140%, not less. Text size in IE - max.
Play with MS interface colors. Sand + greenish tones are better.
 
albovin said:
Generally speaking, the choice between Samsung’s SyncMaster XL20/XL24/XL30 and professional models with fluorescent backlight (produced by NEC or EIZO, for example) should be based on your personal requirements. If you need highest color accuracy within the ordinary sRGB color gamut, the XL series won’t be the best option.
Note: It's known in Russia that this reviewer pays much attention to Samsungs - to be politically correct.
So if he has to admit that something is wrong with Samsung, you can surely muliplay that by 3.
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albovin, don't bend the thruth, right after that sentence comes this one : But if you are ready to compromise somewhat in order to be able to work within the AdobeRGB or even larger gamut, you should certainly consider the SyncMaster XL series.
This could also been said about the NEC LCD3090WQXi, because currently every 30 inch monitor is about making compromises.
And what is this :
If you need highest color accuracy within the ordinary sRGB color gamut
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If this is really what someone requires, they should currently stay away from any 30 inch monitor, and any wide-gamut monitor, except the lovely HP DreamColor LP2480zx (with true gamut switching) ofcourse. Which might be even better than the sofar best 24 inch sRGB monitor : NEC LCD2490WUXi.
Or they should buy 2 monitors, one with Wide gamut, and one with sRGB gamut.

Don't take it personal man.
If I could, I would buy you a couple of drinks so we could chill out. But I'm afraid that you would even compare your drink with one of the NEC monitors and tell me that the panel of the monitor is better than the glass of your drink.:p

:D:pBTW, the crappiest football/soccer team playing in the highest pro football/soccer division here in The Netherlands goes by the name : NEC.:p:D

Don't get me wrong, I respect your knowledge.

Robert
 
InToGraphics said:
out. But I'm afraid that you would even compare your drink with one of the NEC monitors and tell me that the panel of the monitor is better than the glass of your drink.:p
Robert
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No.
My "favorite" brand is Sony.
No monitors under Sony specification are available any more.
I gave NEC a chance buying their 2490 last year with my previous experience and understandimg in mind. I had posted the first review of this monitor well before it gained public attention. Later it turned out to be that this product is the the industry best product store shelves ever seen. And it remains so.
Samsung is a good monitor for kitchen.
And it remains so even with $$$ price tag. So far.
This XL family (with promotional "reviews") just make chicken laugh. Their comparison with quality products sounds offensive for an informed reader. So does the price.
I was in the market for 30" upgrade for my 2490 for a while.
Your remark that all 30" have issues seems from a demagogue arsenal for this context. Of course, we all are not ideal! But I tested the NEC 3090WQXi you are trying to stick me at. Yes, it has an issue. It's issue (other than panel unifirmity on a particular unit) is that it does not match 2490. That's it. That's the product to compare. The rest of 30" family are not even remotely close - Including XL30: "This river barge with a nuclear power engine is sold at a price of two ocean liners. What is the main purpose of this strange product? The main purpose is to test and promote the manufacturer marketing policy. And you are invited to pay for that."
Thank you for the drink.
 
Yes Sony. I agree on that one. It still is a loss for the market.

You can't compare a 2490 to a 3090 (nor to a 2690). You are comparing sRGB to wide gamut aRGB.
If you stop doing that, there's still (only?) the issue of non-uniformity with the 3090. It's one of the dealbreakers for me. I multi-boot my box. The installation for graphics and photo editing always has a mid-grey for the desktop background. It's the perfect colour to see if anything is wrong with your colours and if any changes to your color workflow take place, and it's also easy on the eyes (to me). (I do not have my windows/palettes at full screen on the second monitor so I see large parts of the desktop). Sadly mid-grey is also the colour to expose the 3090's uniformity issues. You may say "on a particular unit" but it's still an issue. That's even worse actually. It's like getting your monitor from a casino. You are actually gambling. "Maybe this time, this one."
What I'm saying is that you don't want more or different problems when you buy something new.
In that case you might as well stick with what you've got as a compromise.
Unless it's broken.:p
BTW, I'm not changing the background colour of my desktop. That's why I chose that color in the first place, to expose problems.

About your demagogue remark :
A demagogue is in need of support/followers. And for that purpose alone s/he will "play" the public with prejudice, false claims, even hate (of any sort).
Doesn't sound like me, because I'm not a fanboy of any particular brand or panel. So I'm not looking for support/followers. I'm looking for what's best for me, and that might not be the best for someone else. That's why you have different brands and panels.

About Samsung is a good monitor for the kitchen :
When you sit in front of a 30 inch S-PVA screen, smack in the middle, how the ph.ck are you going to see gamma shift. (Even with a dual 30 inch setup it's a none issue). You are sitting in front of a monitor wall. You will only see it when you are going to sit to the left or right of the monitor and look at it from that angle and keep moving your head. Or when you sit in the middle and lean over extremely to the left or right and then keep moving your head. Now you may find yourself doing that alot if you use your 30 inch monitor in a small kitchen. If that's the case it's better to buy a monitor with an S-IPS panel, like the NEC LCD30390WQXi, it has no gamma shift. So you see, after all the Samsung is not good for the kitchen but the NEC is. If you don't mind the pink color cast. Oops, pardon me.
Do you buy a 30 inch monitor to sit on the left or right side of it and keep moving your head to see the gamma shift, or maybe to lean over left or right and look at your monitor from there and then keep moving your head again to see the gamma shift ?
I'm certainly not. And I do not mind if the panel is *PVA or *IPS. I do mind if it's *TN.
In fact I liked the LaCie 324 (S-PVA) so much that I almost bought 2. Hardly any gamma shift. Only when looking for it. The only thing that stopped me from buying was that moving from 2 x 1600x1200 to 2 x 1920x1200 is not very tempting. The LCD2690WUXi is probably still better though. But that's just subjective, I have no proof.

You are probably the only one who's not aware that S-PVA panels are slowly taking over the professional monitor market.
There has to be a reason. Those companies are not going to jeopardise their good name, and therefore business, by moving almost exclusively to *PVA.

Also:
LG and Philips make the *IPS panels, but they do not produce the best monitors.
Samsung makes the *PVA panels, but they do not produce the best monitors.
BTW, you do have a way with words. Demagogue, kitchen, chicken, river barge.:)
Keep them coming.
And keep checking this link for the professional review you asked for of the : HP DreamColor LP2480xz followup. Another NEC competitor you seem to loath.:p
 
You are probably the only one who's not aware that S-PVA panels are slowly taking over the professional monitor market.
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Seems we are talking about different things.
You need something specific for your work.
The trend in so-called professional monitor market concerns me the least.
I am talking about universal machines. There are criteria for that.
If the DreamColor displays same effects that 2475 displays next to 2490, it goes back to store regardless 30, 60 or 100 bits - and there may not be competition.
I cannot go back to talk about PVA colorshift - it's visible from any point. This is the correct image that has to be seen from either side. People prefer watching straight on. That's why they prefer better technology.
It has been said 100 times. There is nothing to add.
 
It's OK. That's the problem with universal/generic, you have to please too many needs and requirements. The technology is not ready yet.
Peace man.

Oh, and I put in a request at Samsung to decorate your walls with S-PVA panels.:p
 
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