Being of German descent and having several German relatives killed in Nazi Germany I am not trying to make a joke of this. It is more honoring the few that stood up and scolding those who didn't mind Hitler's reign. Just a historical example. As I stated it was a historical example of the mood of people towards some suppressive policies andnowhere near the atrocity or scale.
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Crysis Warhead Already Suffering Spore's Fate
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Being of German descent and having several German relatives killed in Nazi Germany I am not trying to make a joke of this. It is more honoring the few that stood up and scolding those who didn't mind Hitler's reign. Just a historical example. As I stated it was a historical example of the mood of people towards some suppressive policies andnowhere near the atrocity or scale.
I'm lost.. what are we arguing about?
lol, WE aren't arguing. The thread is about the bad type of DRM that is in Spore/mass effect/ bio shock/ and now Crysis Warhead.
Gotcha! (I was like WTF! I agree... all confused n stuff)
lol, I should have just kept posting more and more agreement, we could have gone for days.
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Now allow me to repost an anecdotal observation of my own from another thread:
Wy in the world would you even need to install it 4 times anyways?
For what it's worth, Ive been gaming on the PC for over 16 years now, and I can only think of one... perhaps two games out of over 100 that Ive installed more than 3 times.
I firmly believe some of you are being sensational just for the sake of sensationalism itself.
Your point is well made, and I agree with it 100%. However, it would be very easy to see DRM adapted to more than just games, or it could become more restricting in the future once it is readily adopted/accepted by the industry.
Are people paranoid? Yes. Justified? Yes.
Soo..just finished the 1st level of CW and wanted to drop a quick note before I get back to it..
Install was normal.There are 2 disks in the case.1 is Crysis Warhead,the other is Crysis Wars.I didnt install the BS EA download manager and other language packs.Will pop in the 2nd DVD later to see what it is as it doesnt really state anything on the DVD.
Before the game started the 1st time,I did see the securom window for a second or 2 and the game started...Havent seen it since and Ive exited and restarted at least twice..
Rig in my sig defaulted to all "Gamer" settings and am getting ~45-50fps so far..Game feels silky smooth..A little slow but starting to pick up firefight wise..Graphics are at least on par with Crysis at"Very High" from what I remember.Will try the"Enthusiast"settings later..
If you liked Crysis,youll probably like Warhead..Thats all for now..
Install was normal.There are 2 disks in the case.1 is Crysis Warhead,the other is Crysis Wars.I didnt install the BS EA download manager and other language packs.Will pop in the 2nd DVD later to see what it is as it doesnt really state anything on the DVD.
Before the game started the 1st time,I did see the securom window for a second or 2 and the game started...Havent seen it since and Ive exited and restarted at least twice..
Rig in my sig defaulted to all "Gamer" settings and am getting ~45-50fps so far..Game feels silky smooth..A little slow but starting to pick up firefight wise..Graphics are at least on par with Crysis at"Very High" from what I remember.Will try the"Enthusiast"settings later..
If you liked Crysis,youll probably like Warhead..Thats all for now..
Being someone who has saved my games since the 70s I can't purchase a game that is essentially a rental. I have reloaded many of my games multiple times and the thought of owning a coaster is outrageous IMHO.
EA I will buy both Spore and Warhead once you remove the BS install limit. TY
EA I will buy both Spore and Warhead once you remove the BS install limit. TY
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It's ok. He claims you're an idiot but then again normal people don't freak out about a completely logical comparison. My guess is he's just trolling. I'm gonna go ahead and make my OWN comparison: The way he reacted to your post was like the reaction from a jesus freak who was just told there was no god. Boom. The fact that he said people alive during that time post on here is kind of laughable. Any 75+ year olds on here?
Screw him
I would like to see all of those who think install limit is not such a bad idea when EA decides not to spend any more money on servers that keep track of this DRM crap and you end up with game you can't install/play anymore. And if you don't let them hear your opinion on how they're trying to screw you over it's going to be pretty much every game distributed by EA. I never supported piracy, but it seems to me they want people to do it, don't they ? I bet after Spore and Warhead they'll have all the excuses they need. Good job EA.
In other words, "HEY EVERYBODY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN ANALOGY IS!"
i purchased bioshock through stream and didn't have any problems.. people have to stop bitching and just suck it up.. .ur missing a very great game
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I have bought a game called cod4 when it first came out and i have installed that a total of 5 times so far, twice on my laptop due to reformating and changing hdd and the rest on my main desktop due to similar reasons.
i format my pc at least twice a year on both my laptop and desktop. i play games on both machines, on my laptop when im away or when my wife is using my desktop.
im actualy due for a reformat on my laptop actualy as i wanna clean out the junk thats in there. So their we go, another cod4 install
now if i bough crysis, that game would be worth the same has a door stopper come april/may next year as by that time i would of most likely ran out of fucking installs. what complete BULLSHIT.
Completely my thoughts exactly...
A large majority of us here on [H] are system builders and love to push our PCs to their limits. That equals an insane amount of new MBs, PROCs, HDDs, and OS's...etc.
Now, I have read that the copy protection will prevent us from copying and installing a certain X number of times on different PCs. They also said that if you re-install it on the same computer you have an unlimited number of installs and do not have to worry. However for us modders, system builders and overclockers it is going to spell bad news. I do not understand how people say that they are not going to install it more than once. Many people here have shown plenty of reasons for multiple installs. One big one is the fact that for nostalgic purposes they might pop in a game that they happened to love a while back. With all the restrictions today, say if someone wanted to play Crysis: Warhead a year or two from now and they have built a few new systems in the meantime or just have upgrading some important parts, they will be out of luck...
I don't know we [H] PC gamers seem to be in a bad time...
Yes, I am missing several great games. But I'm not going to sell my self out over a video game. I won't say I don't have a price, because I do. But that price is a hell of a lot more than a video game.
That begs the question though: Will the DRM even still exist for people to "pop it in for nostalgia purposes" years down the line? EA has announced that if authentication servers for a game go down they'll release a patch that that nulls the authentication DRM. The link to that statement is floating around here somewhere.
I don't disagree with you guys on the whole DRM thing, I just figure I can still protest their DRM through word of mouth and emails or whatever while still supporting the Game Studio that happens to have EA as a publisher.
We can badmouth EA all we want, that seems the IN thing to do nowandays but what about the game studios under EA? Has anyone fired off emails to them protesting the DRM that EA slapped on their games? Has anyone asked the Game Devs under EA if they themselves support the DRM EA is using?
They have zero legal obligation to release such a tool. So your still RENTING a game they MIGHT give to you at a later date. And they very well may release the game to you later, the first couple of times. But then that costs money to develop such a tool, and then it costs bandwidth to host such a tool, and some accountant says why the hell are we spending money on a 5 year old game, and they cut the activation servers and don't give you a tool.
There are SCORES of storys about DRM music sites going down and your only given about a week to a month of warning to burn your stuff or your SOL.
I don't badmouth EA. Badmouthing EA isn't going to get anyone anywhere. Badmouthing THIS KIND of DRM will get us somewhere.
EA is a company, it listens to the money. When they start loosing a significant amount of sales to the DRM, they will stop. If you continue to purchase the games, then nothing will change.
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i can understand not being able to play the game twice ie have a mate play on my laptop and me on my desktop in cod4 online even though i use to LOVE this feature back in teh days of ut 2k3 where i would just buy one copy and me and my bro could play together online using teh same cd key, But to not be able to install it on more then 3 machines is stupid.
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edit: if all pc games go down this route. pc gaming will die in no time. i for one will turn my back on pc gaming and stick to console gaming. no DRM bullshit and no limits as to how many times i can install it/play it
PC games (multiplatform at least) are already so dumbed down to low console levels anyway it doesn't matter anymore... the smelly consoles always win.
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so why bother with pc gaming then?
There are always exceptions to the norm... and I'll stick with it to the end.
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Same here
To me it seems like the minority now, the deviant crowd lol. A lot of people scoff when you try to explain to them why you like PC gaming, it's fun haha.FallenMystic
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yet... my guess is that it's not really there yet because they haven't figured out a way, (short of putting a 'time bomb' in the code... In theory all they really need to do is be able to link the machine ID to the game ID and block it out from being played on another machine ID... Or perhaps I've said to much
So has anyone actually fired an Email off to a Development team asking if they themselves are okay with the DRM that EA has resorted to implementing?
Maybe we can get some support from the inside in helping quash this. If a game dev isn't comfortable with EA pissing off customers like this wouldn't it be awesome if we could get them to speak up with us?
Also yes, I will continue to purchase games despite whatever DRM they have if they're good.
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There are still many good companies: Stardock, Valve, Blizzard, THQ etc..
There are some games that will only be on PC: Total War series, Silent Hunter 4, flight sims, etc...
Many of those flawed games can be fixed with mods. e.g. Everything that was censored out of Fallout 3 will be modded back into the game.
For all the DRM whiners.....
Key Points:
# This system allows you to authenticate your game on five computers with the purchase of one disc you can install your copy on each machine as many times as you want. If you go over five machines, EA Customer Service is on hand to supply any additional authorizations that are warranted.
# This DRM solution is safe. EA and Crytek would never allow anything that included spyware, viruses or malware to be installed on anyones computers.
# We know there is concern about what will happen if the authentication servers turn off or questions about what will happen in five years if you want to play the game again (and we hope you do). If that were to ever happen, Crytek and EA would deploy a patch that would remove the authentication requirement completely.
What more could you want..Now..Go buy the game!!!!
Key Points:
# This system allows you to authenticate your game on five computers with the purchase of one disc you can install your copy on each machine as many times as you want. If you go over five machines, EA Customer Service is on hand to supply any additional authorizations that are warranted.
# This DRM solution is safe. EA and Crytek would never allow anything that included spyware, viruses or malware to be installed on anyones computers.
# We know there is concern about what will happen if the authentication servers turn off or questions about what will happen in five years if you want to play the game again (and we hope you do). If that were to ever happen, Crytek and EA would deploy a patch that would remove the authentication requirement completely.
What more could you want..Now..Go buy the game!!!!
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No. Why do I need to sit on hold with customer service and let some idiot decide if my frequent reformats "warrant" more installs when some ass that stole the game can reinstall it as often as he wants with no hassles FOR FREE.
Consumer rights are under attack everywhere in this country. It's been slowly pushed on us but you can find it in banking practices, contract services (cell phones, broadband, tv, etc), and now entertainment. How long before movies only have 20 views until they destroy themselves?
Stop allowing everyone to charge you more for less. I'm putting my money where my mouth is...EA won't see a dime from me until they stop treating me like a criminal.
Consumer rights are under attack everywhere in this country. It's been slowly pushed on us but you can find it in banking practices, contract services (cell phones, broadband, tv, etc), and now entertainment. How long before movies only have 20 views until they destroy themselves?
Stop allowing everyone to charge you more for less. I'm putting my money where my mouth is...EA won't see a dime from me until they stop treating me like a criminal.
So basically what you're saying is - go ahead and trust these companies who treat you like a thief, whatever they say it's going to happen, no worries...
Do you really believe one word that's coming of of their mouths (EA/Crytek) anymore?
- I don't, and i'm not going to give them my money thank you very much, there are plenty of other games out there.
1) There is no guarentee they will continue to provide that support.
2) It is not proven to be safe. Infact it is proven to install something on your machine that you can not, without downloading tools specially designed for it, remove it from your machine. Infact it inserts registery entries that you can not delete or modify from regedit.
3) There is no guarentee this will happen. If/When the developer goes belly up, your disk is now worthless. If/when they decide they dont' want to bother making a patch because
that costs money, your hosed.
I'd like to buy something that doesn't put something that as described above is better described as a virus on my computer.What more could you want..Now..Go buy the game!!!!
I can't buy the game, I can only rent it.
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I love it when people see the world as it is...thank you
The people that created this country we call The United States are the people that stood up when it seemed our rights were being infringed upon by the government, etc...It might not be happening as it has in past history, but I would most certainly call this infringement upon our consumer rights!
It sounds like they are just trying to dress up what they are saying with pretty pink bows. And it seems like it is working with those who say "Oh it's okay! Stop whining...look at the pretty bows!"
Horrible
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I love it when people see the world as it is...thank you
As do I, to the nth-degree, and it's good so see so many of those very people posting in this thread, finally. So many other discussions about this issue turn into a disaster. I'm glad to see so much intelligent adult discussion here.
The people that created this country we call The United States are the people that stood up when it seemed our rights were being infringed upon by the government, etc...It might not be happening as it has in past history, but I would most certainly call this infringement upon our consumer rights!
It sounds like they are just trying to dress up what they are saying with pretty pink bows. And it seems like it is working with those who say "Oh it's okay! Stop whining...look at the pretty bows!"
Horrible
Exactly, but luckily there are many who are not falling for it, and it's not working, hence EA's "retraction" regarding raising the install limit etc. etc. ...simply trying to save face.
But, there are still too many people blinded by the false sugar coating that many different companies who offer products and services use to try to cover the blatant stepping-on of consumer's rights.
Such as this guy... again...
For all the DRM whiners.....
Key Points:
# This system allows you to authenticate your game on five computers with the purchase of one disc you can install your copy on each machine as many times as you want. If you go over five machines, EA Customer Service is on hand to supply any additional authorizations that are warranted.
# This DRM solution is safe. EA and Crytek would never allow anything that included spyware, viruses or malware to be installed on anyones computers.
# We know there is concern about what will happen if the authentication servers turn off or questions about what will happen in five years if you want to play the game again (and we hope you do). If that were to ever happen, Crytek and EA would deploy a patch that would remove the authentication requirement completely.
What more could you want..Now..Go buy the game!!!!
...who is not getting the point, and/or falling for that very thing.
What more could we want? How about everything that's been covered here as our rights as intelligent, adult consumers? How about actually owning what you purchase, as opposed to being put in a position of "renting" a game you purchase?
Do you really feel like you've been "given something" just because EA raised the install limits, when there should be no limits in the first place? Or just because they've stated that, supposedly, they will "resolve" the issue should anything happen with the company etc., so people can authenticate and use what they've already paid to own?
Think about what you're saying.
Again, someone echoing the very issues/points I've brought up...
...exactly.
Should a company go under, and/or just generally decide that it's not worth their time, money or effort to provide the customer with a solution to the problem they've created, you can say goodbye to the game you've purchased, period.
Or, should the decide to slap something together to try to solve the problem they've created, there's always a chance that it might not work correctly, if at all, but that's it... they'll offer it once, and "we're out, folks".
Always a pleasure to see that kind of dedication to an issue, though hopefully you don't end up missing out on something you might enjoy due to EA's (and others') actions... which is the very problem with this situation.
Your comment about movies made me chuckle, but without much mirth, because you could be right and some day that might be the case. It's true that things are getting so ludicrous with all of this, that you'd half-expect your DVD player to explode after watching "300" or "Slient Hill" for the tenth time.
All else you've said is true as well, that the manipulation, and stepping on of consumer rights is everywhere you look, and only getting worse.
The bottom line is: there's no point in EA, or any other company, creating inappropriate issues for consumers in the first place, and only make themselves appear worse by then making statements that they will "resolve" the problem should it be necessary, as if they're actually giving something to the public. How does it make you look good to "offer to resolve a problem" that you should not have created in the first place?
Eh... hopefully this lunacy will eventually be put to a complete stop in the near future, through the continual outcry of consumers, though unfortunately, there will be always something to take it's place in some way at some point. Hopefully, however, we'll see some relief from all this stupidity and stepping-on of consumer rights enough in the near future.
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what got my attention is this
warranted? meaning they may deny your authorization to enable more installations?
warranted? meaning they may deny your authorization to enable more installations?
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And whos to say there future games wont have drm/install limit?
"Their".
Because only scumbag and greedy corporations like EA do it.
Valve has Steam. Stardock doesn't use copy protection so no DRM from them, "in Blizzard we trust".
lol, 5 years ago these exact arguments were raised about steam.
you'd be hard pressed to find a positive post about steam...now it seems tons of people love it except for some old-school stragglers who haven't gotten the message that it's the best thing since sliced bread :\
Anyway, wtf is with the argument that EA, CryTek, Valve, Id, Epic, et al. won't still be around in ten years?
In a decade it's more likely that you won't be able to find a dvd player to install your precious games than one of those companies disappearing. I have a hard time believing people are installing ten year old games off their 51/4" or 31/2" floppies, but whatever, if you guys say so :O
you'd be hard pressed to find a positive post about steam...now it seems tons of people love it except for some old-school stragglers who haven't gotten the message that it's the best thing since sliced bread :\
Anyway, wtf is with the argument that EA, CryTek, Valve, Id, Epic, et al. won't still be around in ten years?
In a decade it's more likely that you won't be able to find a dvd player to install your precious games than one of those companies disappearing. I have a hard time believing people are installing ten year old games off their 51/4" or 31/2" floppies, but whatever, if you guys say so :O
No one said they would disappear, people said their activation servers might shut down.
And FYI, ten year old games come in CD, not floppies. Oh, ever heard of ISO images? Yeah.
WTF are you going on about? Smart enough to discuss ISOs? As if creating an ISO image from a game disc is difficult? As opposed to creating an image of the hard drive.
Sure buddy, whatever you say. Go play with your DRM-infested crapfest, uh, I mean games, now please
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