AMD To strike back?

wow, why is hardforums filled with a bunch of middle-school prepubescent teenagers, high strung and filled to the brim with e-testosterone. Seems like every thread created on hardforums result in a flame-fest.
 
Sorry but overclocking is not something a typical consumer would do. I doubt to see 10% of those buying those new duos overclocking. And without overclocking they are so much slower than the X2s. Overclocking garuantees nothing. Buying from a big company like intel only helps politicians fuck up america. I will continue to buy from a company that builds the stuff in europe the land of the free instead of shitty america.

Thats kind of funny, I thought this was a forum for enthusiasts. I know not all overclock, but Intel is crushing AMD in the enthusiast market. The biggest way to tell is look at the selection of Intel compared to AMD mobos.

Second thing, in the Joe six-pack world, AMD has an even worst reputation among consumers. And again who bases their processor purchases on world politics. Europe, land of the free, lol.
 
Sorry but overclocking is not something a typical consumer would do. I doubt to see 10% of those buying those new duos overclocking. And without overclocking they are so much slower than the X2s. Overclocking garuantees nothing. Buying from a big company like intel only helps politicians fuck up america. I will continue to buy from a company that builds the stuff in europe the land of the free instead of shitty america.

About 50% of the European countries were until 15-18 years ago not very free, including the extraordinarily un-free former East Germany where AMD Dresden Fab is located. Which kind of weakens the political point you're trying to make.

X2 is an excellent and still competitive processor series that tops out somewhere between C2D E6550 and E6750, but selling them for even lower prices will hurt AMD much more than Intel.
 
About 50% of the European countries were until 15-18 years ago not very free, including the extraordinarily un-free former East Germany where AMD Dresden Fab is located. Which kind of weakens the political point you're trying to make.

X2 is an excellent and still competitive processor series that tops out somewhere between C2D E6550 and E6750, but selling them for even lower prices will hurt AMD much more than Intel.

50 years ago have no impact on something that happens today. Ever heard of a straw man logic. Stay on topic.
 
No,its Europe the land of the over taxed and diluted.

The United States is heavily taxed you just don't know it yet. Inflation is the best tax our politicians can use as they don't have to take money directly from you. If we look at inflationary numbers before the idea of substitution was implemented then our country doesn't look nearly as hot. We'd be running roughly 5-7% inflation a year if CPI was measured using pre-Clinton era techniques. The government had the bright idea to change the way inflation was measured to reduce the increase in benefits going to people collecting social security. A nice and convenient way of reducing costs. It also has the ancillary benefit of inflating GDP numbers.

Has your income increased 5-7% a year in the past couple of years? Mine hasn't. The average American's hasn't.

Despite this fact, Americans feel relatively comfortable because the figure heads on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, etc all spout the core CPI and tell us how wages are increasing faster than that. Not only is the core CPI the new model that keeps the inflation rate low by reducing the quality of life of consumers, it doesn't include the price of food and energy. Due to widespread droughts worldwide this year, the cost of wheat is incredibly high. And we all know what gas prices are like. Yet those factors never make it into the core CPI. The CPI is also calculated using the cost of rent, not a mortgage. Can you imagine what the CPI would've been like over the past few years if it included PITI instead of rent? It's a scam meant to keep us satisfied with fabricated numbers.

Of course, one cause of inflation is government deficit spending. Their spending means your money is worth less. Think of it as an indirect tax to cover their costs. You didn't think deficit spending could continue forever, did you?

Now the Fed, in all its wisdom, has lowered interest rates to try and avoid recession. Of course, lowering the interest rates will also weaken the currency (as if it could get any weaker) and increase the cost of imported goods (pretty much everything at the large retailers like Wal-Mart). It also makes our exported goods more affordable which should boost the earnings of American exporters, but how many Americans actually work in an exporting industry anymore? Sure, we export some big ticket items and items that require a skilled workforce, but the vast majority of Americans work in the service sector or in non-tradeable goods. Most of us will get hurt. It really helped, or is perceived to help, investors in s**t subprime mortgages and major banks. Nice of the Fed to look out for us average folk.

The whole Spiel above was merely to point out that while Europeans suffer a greater direct tax from their government, we are all diluted in that regard.
 
The United States is heavily taxed you just don't know it yet. Inflation is the best tax our politicians can use as they don't have to take money directly from you. If we look at inflationary numbers before the idea of substitution was implemented then our country doesn't look nearly as hot. We'd be running roughly 5-7% inflation a year if CPI was measured using pre-Clinton era techniques. The government had the bright idea to change the way inflation was measured to reduce the increase in benefits going to people collecting social security. A nice and convenient way of reducing costs. It also has the ancillary benefit of inflating GDP numbers.

Has your income increased 5-7% a year in the past couple of years? Mine hasn't. The average American's hasn't.

Despite this fact, Americans feel relatively comfortable because the figure heads on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, etc all spout the core CPI and tell us how wages are increasing faster than that. Not only is the core CPI the new model that keeps the inflation rate low by reducing the quality of life of consumers, it doesn't include the price of food and energy. Due to widespread droughts worldwide this year, the cost of wheat is incredibly high. And we all know what gas prices are like. Yet those factors never make it into the core CPI. The CPI is also calculated using the cost of rent, not a mortgage. Can you imagine what the CPI would've been like over the past few years if it included PITI instead of rent? It's a scam meant to keep us satisfied with fabricated numbers.

Of course, one cause of inflation is government deficit spending. Their spending means your money is worth less. Think of it as an indirect tax to cover their costs. You didn't think deficit spending could continue forever, did you?

Now the Fed, in all its wisdom, has lowered interest rates to try and avoid recession. Of course, lowering the interest rates will also weaken the currency (as if it could get any weaker) and increase the cost of imported goods (pretty much everything at the large retailers like Wal-Mart). It also makes our exported goods more affordable which should boost the earnings of American exporters, but how many Americans actually work in an exporting industry anymore? Sure, we export some big ticket items and items that require a skilled workforce, but the vast majority of Americans work in the service sector or in non-tradeable goods. Most of us will get hurt. It really helped, or is perceived to help, investors in s**t subprime mortgages and major banks. Nice of the Fed to look out for us average folk.

The whole Spiel above was merely to point out that while Europeans suffer a greater direct tax from their government, we are all diluted in that regard.



I'll take the 'heavy taxes' (far lower then here) and higher wages down south over what I am currently subject to here any day,its the politics I dont like at all.For the record I am
a fiscal conservative,that is very much against deficit spending.Its one reason I voted for Harper,and will again.
 
I have a [H]ard time believing these forums are moderated. I don't think there are many technology forums which would allow such blatant trolling. Too bad there are so many rotten apples spoiling an otherwise great place.
 
Well I'm hoping AMD does strike back. But it doesn't appear that will happen this year. At least for enthusiasts. AMD's new chip does seem to be the better on a clock for clock basis. But it seems AMD is having trouble getting the clock speeds up high enough to be a threat to the faster Intel chips.

ATI on the other hand might be striking back quicker. Who cares about 6 way GPUs. But the 2950 does look impressive.
 
Well I'm hoping AMD does strike back. But it doesn't appear that will happen this year. At least for enthusiasts. AMD's new chip does seem to be the better on a clock for clock basis. But it seems AMD is having trouble getting the clock speeds up high enough to be a threat to the faster Intel chips.

ATI on the other hand might be striking back quicker. Who cares about 6 way GPUs. But the 2950 does look impressive.

Why does it look impressive ? Because it scores higher in 3D Mark ?
R600 by itself is already the 3D Mark record holder. But does it perform better than 8800s in games ? No, it does not. It is WHY we visit [H]. Because synthetic benchmarks are an indication yes, but are FAR from real world performance. Unless ATI does something to R600 AA logic and the severaly crippled ROPs and TMUs, these cards will not be much better, than the HD 2900 XT.
 
Sorry but overclocking is not something a typical consumer would do. I doubt to see 10% of those buying those new duos overclocking. And without overclocking they are so much slower than the X2s. Overclocking garuantees nothing. Buying from a big company like intel only helps politicians fuck up america. I will continue to buy from a company that builds the stuff in europe the land of the free instead of shitty america.

Youre funny.
 
Sorry but overclocking is not something a typical consumer would do. I doubt to see 10% of those buying those new duos overclocking.

True, but not representative of the numbers of people on this board that overclock.

Electronicmaji said:
And without overclocking they are so much slower than the X2s.

False.

Electronicmaji said:
Overclocking garuantees nothing. Buying from a big company like intel only helps politicians fuck up america. I will continue to buy from a company that builds the stuff in europe the land of the free instead of shitty america.

Intel has a fab in Ireland.

Link

They've invested over 5 billion in the site and employ 5,000 people on the site directly and indirectly.

Dresden

AMD quotes 3000 people directly employed. It would seem to me that Intel and AMD have a roughly equal presence in Europe.
 
Thats kind of funny, I thought this was a forum for enthusiasts. I know not all overclock, but Intel is crushing AMD in the enthusiast market. The biggest way to tell is look at the selection of Intel compared to AMD mobos.

Second thing, in the Joe six-pack world, AMD has an even worst reputation among consumers. And again who bases their processor purchases on world politics. Europe, land of the free, lol.

There is no such thing as " enthusiast market", but there is "cheapy wants the most market".
From the stand point of business. Spouting loads of "very overclockable" cpus is a very stupid idea.
First of all, OEM and regular customer don't give a damn about overclockability.
Second, if all those cheapies(or enthusiast) can get their little cpus run at 3G or more, who would buy the " enthusiast products" for $999?

intels getting its ass little bit too desperate.
It is crushing nothing but their sales of "high end produdct",
 
There is no such thing as " enthusiast market", but there is "cheapy wants the most market".
From the stand point of business. Spouting loads of "very overclockable" cpus is a very stupid idea.
First of all, OEM and regular customer don't give a damn about overclockability.
Second, if all those cheapies(or enthusiast) can get their little cpus run at 3G or more, who would buy the " enthusiast products" for $999?

intels getting its ass little bit too desperate.
It is crushing nothing but their sales of "high end produdct",

You might be right that they might be killing their sales for the extreme chips, but who really buys those besides the foolish. But at the same time they are killing AMD at their own game.

Oh and I thought OEM = cheapies, cause I dont remember dell or HP using really any name brand support equipment in their pc's.
 
I love how anyone who can write up a response on a computer forum automatically knows more than the marketing team at a multi-billion corporation.
 
I love how anyone who can write up a response on a computer forum automatically knows more than the marketing team at a multi-billion corporation.

Who's discussing marketing strategy? BTW, this thread is so far off-topic, its becoming really funny to read it.
 
What does that mean?

Its like...computer langauge like all that ROFL acronym bullshit...it means "fucking duh", kinda like in a sarcastic way in that i agree with your sarcasm...kinda hard to explain actually. I guess its kinda like a funny way to say "no shit" ya know? I know, its pretty dumb.
 

SPECint and SPECfp measures single thread performance. For a server environment, throughput (SPECint_rate and SPECfp_rate) is much more meaningful.

From Xbit Labs:
quad_core_perf_spec_09-2007-2.png


Also, from what I understand, the Intel tests ran with a auto-parallelization flag turned on, which IMHO is kind of cheating, but it's arguable. See SPEC's FAQ:

http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/Docs/readme1st.html#Q15
There are several different ways to measure computer performance. One way is to measure how fast the computer completes a single task; this is a speed measure. Another way is to measure how many tasks a computer can accomplish in a certain amount of time; this is called a throughput, capacity or rate measure.

* The SPEC speed metrics (e.g., SPECint2006) are used for comparing the ability of a computer to complete single tasks.
* The SPEC rate metrics (e.g., SPECint_rate2006) measure the throughput or rate of a machine carrying out a number of tasks.
...
Note: a speed run which uses a parallelizing compiler to distribute one copy of a benchmark over multiple CPUs is still a speed run, and uses the speed metrics. You can identify such runs by the field "Auto Parallel".

I'd like to see what scores they get with GCC compiler, which I see used much more often than ICC.
 
SPECint and SPECfp measures single thread performance. For a server environment, throughput (SPECint_rate and SPECfp_rate) is much more meaningful.

Yeah, but will there be an increase in single thread performance per clock for the desktop versions (phenom)?
 
what are they changing from barcelona that would have much effect on performance-per-clock? anyone know?
 
what are they changing from barcelona that would have much effect on performance-per-clock? anyone know?

Pretty much the only real effect on single threaded performance will be 1066 DDR2 support. The inclusion of HT 3 shouldn't provide any real increase in single threaded performance.
 
AM2+ are few at the moment but what are the plans for the next socket. I mean this is still similar to their old platform and usually AMD changes the platform over completely to something new so anyone heard any plans? Kinda hate to see AM2+ then just a year later or less them switching to something else all together.
 
When I look at the title of this thread I can't help to use Star Wars references.....

Processor Wars: A New Hope (AMD64)

Intel Strikes Back (C2D)

Return of the AMD (Phenom we hope)



And may the Force be with you....always
 
The same analogy was brought up by one of the PC magazines when Intel "struck back" because AMD beat them to 1 GHz.
 
Put the pipe down. :D Catch up ? They are so far ahead its scary.


AMD is playing a dangerous game with this price war,its one they cannot win,and only lose at.

*picks bowl up and hits it* :p

*cough*

Agreed. Intel is the 500lb gorilla of the CPU market, and they can afford to take a hit in the checkbook, whereas AMD can't since they're financially strained enough as it is, and will be very fortunate to get out of the red. I hope that they stick around though, as Shanghai and Bulldozer look smashing on paper and do look like they will give Chipzilla a real headache in the next two years.
 
*picks bowl up and hits it* :p

*cough*

Agreed. Intel is the 500lb gorilla of the CPU market, and they can afford to take a hit in the checkbook, whereas AMD can't since they're financially strained enough as it is, and will be very fortunate to get out of the red. I hope that they stick around though, as Shanghai and Bulldozer look smashing on paper and do look like they will give Chipzilla a real headache in the next two years.
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;)
 
*picks bowl up and hits it* :p

*cough*

Agreed. Intel is the 500lb gorilla of the CPU market, and they can afford to take a hit in the checkbook, whereas AMD can't since they're financially strained enough as it is, and will be very fortunate to get out of the red. I hope that they stick around though, as Shanghai and Bulldozer look smashing on paper and do look like they will give Chipzilla a real headache in the next two years.

LOL !! :D

Seriouslly though,Bulldozer does especially ! :)
 
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