Solid Support For Apple In iPhone Encryption Fight

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You know that poll yesterday that said there was more support for the DoJ than for Apple? A new poll out today has almost the exact same numbers, except this time they favor Apple. :confused:


Nearly half of Americans support Apple Inc's decision to oppose a federal court order demanding that it unlock a smartphone used by San Bernardino shooter Rizwan Farook, according to a national online Reuters/Ipsos poll. Forty-six percent of respondents said they agreed with Apple's position, 35 percent said they disagreed and 20 percent said they did not know, according to poll results released on Wednesday.
 
The problem, which just will not go away, is that people don't grasp that Apple is not being requested to unlock the iPhone. The polls just keep asking the same old misstated and inaccurate questions over and over again which is sad but that's how things go when there's TMFI and people don't care at all about something even when - unbeknownst to them as well - the ramifications of this one particular case could prove to be detrimental in a massive way to overall privacy for everyone in the future.

I really despise ignorance, I can't forgive it at all in today's world what with nearly anything at your fingertips, literally.
 
Polls are only good if the sample is representative of the population as a whole.

The reason these "polls" aren't aligning is likely where they were and who they asked. They didn't diversify enough.
 
Tim Cook said:
But this case is not about one phone. This case is about the future. What is at stake here is... Can the government compel Apple to write software that we believe would make hundreds of millions of customers vulnerable around the world, including the US. And also trample civil liberties that are at the basic foundation of what this country is made on.
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Way to go Apple! Keep that fight going!
 
These are the signs of the beginning of an authoritarian government. What is the next item on the list of civil liberties that they want to take away from us all in the name of "fighting terrorism"?

The right to carry firearms? Oh wait, that's already under attack.
The right to congregate?
The right to freedom of speech?
Or even the right to vote?

It all starts small and then you realize that your very freedoms are being taken away. Soon, if things don't start going a different direction we won't be living in the "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave", we will be instead living in the "Land of the Enslaved".
 
not an apple fan by any means -- but what's the point of security if uncle sam is holding all the keys? Or trying to run a successful company when the US Government shows up and says "give us access to this or that" screw your rights. Just like every other promise the US government has made... it will end up broken or circumvented. I'm rather happy to see Apple standing their ground and operating in "big picture" mode.

Terrorism is such a fucked up word these days -- much like the race card it's overplayed and overused. Hell, the crackpot in Kalamazoo (the uber shooter) was being described as a terrorist... kids with waterpistols? Terrorists! Fucking ignorant people.

There are people in this world just batshit crazy, they are gullible and easily used for nefarious purposes. No amount of help, or rehab is going to fix some of these gems... at the end of the day, they are just fucking crazy, not terrorists.
 
Americans are too easily swayed by headlines and forget to read the article, much less understand the underlying issue.

A headline like "<big company> refuses to assist FBI in criminal case" creates an emotional response in the reader. Most Americans read the headline and that's as deep as they go before forming an opinion. The media and government understands this all too well.
 
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I wish people were as passionate about the 4th Amendment as they were the rest of the Constitution...

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Based on the Constitution, the FBI has the right to search this terrorist's phone. I know the word "terrorist" has been overused (thanks GW) and the Patriot Act has made everyone numb to it, but this is an entirely different situation than allowing the government to intercept and read whatever phone calls or emails they choose. First off, this is the phone of a a confirmed terrorist, who killed innocent Americans. The FBI has more than probable cause. Following the 4th Amendment, the FBI requested a warrant, the warrant was granted and Apple is breaking the law by failing to comply with this search for information.

However, Apple should not be required to give the FBI access to a modified OS that would allow the FBI to brute force future phones without a warrant. They should provide the information on the iPhone and that is all.
 
sleepeeg3 said:
I wish people were as passionate about the 4th Amendment as they were the rest of the Constitution...

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Based on the Constitution, the FBI has the right to search this terrorist's phone. I know the word "terrorist" has been overused (thanks GW) and the Patriot Act has made everyone numb to it, but this is an entirely different situation than allowing the government to intercept and read whatever phone calls or emails they choose. First off, this is the phone of a a confirmed terrorist, who killed innocent Americans. The FBI has more than probable cause. Following the 4th Amendment, the FBI requested a warrant, the warrant was granted and Apple is breaking the law by failing to comply with this search for information.

However, Apple should not be required to give the FBI access to a modified OS that would allow the FBI to brute force future phones without a warrant. They should provide the information on the iPhone and that is all.
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Turning over evidence and creating a hacking tools are two different things. The former is consistent with the constitution the latter is a form of conscription (I could use stronger language) that will cause someone to damage their livelihood (you could argue the magnitude of this, but the phone security is a selling point). The constitution may allow government to confiscate the video from a camera that covers your front yard that happens to have your neighbor's house in view. Do you think a court order should be able to compel you to turn a video camera on your neighbor's house intentionally?
 
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