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Okay, so which parts of this video aren't a marketing stunt? I am pretty sure that DirectX 11 can give me yellow lighting, too...
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Biggest thing keeping devs on DX11 is that Windows 10 adoption keeps slowing down month over month, and it'll take 6+ years to catch up to Windows 7 at the current rate.
Biggest thing keeping devs on DX11 is that Windows 10 adoption keeps slowing down month over month, and it'll take 6+ years to catch up to Windows 7 at the current rate. And so devs have no incentive to design around DX12 to the exclusion of the massive Windows 7 base.
Thus it's DX11 or Vulkan for the foreseeable future, since Vulkan doesn't discriminate Windows versions, and does everything D3D12 does.
I really hope this scenario comes to fruition. I would love to see DX/Microsoft's strangle hold on the industry wither away. It can only be a good thing if games become more accessible to other platforms and as you said, Vulkan doesn't discriminate.
Biggest thing keeping devs on DX11 is that Windows 10 adoption keeps slowing down month over month, and it'll take 6+ years to catch up to Windows 7 at the current rate.
You're glossing over the fact that Windows 7 numbers are going to continue going down as Windows 10 numbers increase. It's not about "Catching up" to current Windows 7 numbers. There is also a distinction between office systems and systems that anyone will ever actually play games on. If you look at Steam numbers and similar, 10 is almost already overtaking 7. You still have businesses just now finally getting their systems off of XP, and usually going to 7 in those cases. That might keep numbers for 7 inflated but it also has nothing to do with gaming or which systems developers are going to target.
DPI is a known Microsoft hater, I cannot take what he posts very seriously at all.)
I give him far more credibility than known Microsoft shills.
What are you talking about? Making your graphics engine use DX12 does not, in any way, exclude Windows 7devs have no incentive to design around DX12 to the exclusion of the massive Windows 7 base.
Um, I think you posted in the wrong thread. The scenario posted here was of DX12 taking off, not Vulkan. Oh well, I have no issue with DX 12 taking off since Direct X is the best supported games API anyways.
Ah, nevermind, the ignore function works so much better now. I did not even see the post you were responding too, thankfully. (DPI is a known Microsoft hater, I cannot take what he posts very seriously at all.) Yep, I am sure now that I will be accused of being Microsoft lover except for one thing, you never see me bashing the other options, wonder why that would be?
Windows 10 x64 will be the #1 OS according to the Steam survey this month. Windows 7 combined x64/x86 combined will remain #1 for a few more months than Windows 10 combined x64/x86 combined but only because of x86 systems, not exactly the target for AAA games these days on PCs.
Keep hanging on to that steam survey for dear life
Microsoft has created its own feedback loop for DX. MS ensured that DX was taught in academia early on. Because DX is pushed in academia, the industry knows its pool of candidates will mostly have DX experience, so they ask for DX knowledge. Academia then continues to push DX first because the industry is hiring primarily those with DX experience. Circular logic in a more corporeal form. DX12 will be the standard soon enough because that fundamental feedback loop hasn't changed.
You have good points. But you yourself say that you don't use Windows 10. I get some people don't like Windows 10 and don't what to use it. That's fine. I do and maybe I should use exactly what you're telling to use. I'd be happy to if you could tell me how continue use all of the software and hardware I currently use. I'm perfectly open minded. I don't mind spending time to do something better. But I don't see a lot of point in losing tons of capability for a political point.
Vulkan for Linux! Anyone?
I don't care what you use, I just don't like the shilling as if Win10 is a necessity when it most certainly is not.
If one has no need or desire to use the latest hardware and software or doesn't have specific needs then most any OS will do. If one wants to use the latest and greatest in PC hardware and software then Windows 10 is the best option right now.
If one has no need or desire to use the latest hardware and software or doesn't have specific needs then most any OS will do. If one wants to use the latest and greatest in PC hardware and software then Windows 10 is the best option right now.
^ Just LOL to the previous two comments in a thread about DX 12, the latest and great in PC tech. Add to that limited support for Skylake and none officially for next gen x86 hardware, along with the latest in 2 in 1s, things like Windows Hello, a growing number of Windows 10 only software in the Windows Store. No one said you have to like Windows 10, but calling someone a liar that's simply pointing out you're not going to get the latest and greatest in PC tech with prior versions of Windows is silly.
Why is the "age" of an OS a factor in anything? I use the one that is better.Exactly. Windows 7 is simply getting old, it's not the target for what's coming next. Perhaps Vulkan is that target but unless developers are trying to target also Android phones for AAA console/PC gaming titles I don't think Vulkan matters that much.
So Windows store is supposed to be a good thing for AAA gamers? No mods, no vsync off, no full screen, no SLI?^ Just LOL to the previous two comments in a thread about DX 12, the latest and great in PC tech. Add to that limited support for Skylake and none officially for next gen x86 hardware, along with the latest in 2 in 1s, things like Windows Hello, a growing number of Windows 10 only software in the Windows Store. No one said you have to like Windows 10, but calling someone a liar that's simply pointing out you're not going to get the latest and greatest in PC tech with prior versions of Windows is silly.
Why is the "age" of an OS a factor in anything? I use the one that is better.
So Windows store is supposed to be a good thing for AAA gamers? No mods, no vsync off, no full screen, no SLI?
And don't for a minute believe the "we're working on it" crap. Microsoft is known for ambiguous statements. The proper order of things is get it working then release it to the public. MS nowadays does the exact opposite. Release it to the public then get it working, or not.
You mean to say that microsoft didn't think that AAA gamers want these things? Don't be ridiculous. The issue didn't just come up. It was always there, and ms knew very well that is was there, but didn't give two fucks about it, until people started rallying in mass.Except there is evidence that it is already being worked on and this stuff you are saying is no longer completely accurate. So, tell me, what benefit would they have by not fixing the issues that come up?
Why is the "age" of an OS a factor in anything? I use the one that is better.
So Windows store is supposed to be a good thing for AAA gamers? No mods, no vsync off, no full screen, no SLI?
And don't for a minute believe the "we're working on it" crap. Microsoft is known for ambiguous statements. The proper order of things is get it working then release it to the public. MS nowadays does the exact opposite. Release it to the public then get it working, or not.