i5 3570k (been a while)

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deepinya

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Its been a very long time since Ive needed to upgrade anything. Im currently running an i5-3570k @ stock clocks paired with a P8Z77V and gtx 580 lightning.

I forget which ram I currently have but its samsung 2x4gb without any heat spreaders.

Looking to get 16gb (maybe 32gb?) and was wondering if 4x4 or 2x8 is the way to go? Also any recommendations on (speed/timings) ram would be great. Clearance with cpu fan may be an issue with tall ram.
 
$135 for 32GB at newegg and they look to be low profile HERE

I don't think that ram speed matters too much with IVY Bridge Chips so 1600 vs 2133 or higher is negligible.
 
Four sticks of four is fine, you probably won't need 32gb until the next console generation.

Your cpu is still fine, although you can get a free 25 percent performance boost for free if you overclock.

The gpu you should upgrade to a GTX 970.
 
rhansen5_99 said:
$135 for 32GB at newegg and they look to be low profile HERE

I don't think that ram speed matters too much with IVY Bridge Chips so 1600 vs 2133 or higher is negligible.
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Ill be using it mainly for gaming so would 16gb be enough? Id love to use 2x8gb now that I look in my case. If I had a bad stick, it would require removing the heatsink to get to one bank. g.skill and crucial would be my top choice as far as manufacturer.


defaultluser said:
Four sticks of four is fine, you probably won't need 32gb until the next console generation.

Your cpu is still fine, although you can get a free 25 percent performance boost for free if you overclock.

The gpu you should upgrade to a GTX 970.
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I have an MSI gtx 980 on the way thanks to the hot deals section. OC is in the plans if needed. The mobo makes it super easy.
 
Sounds like you're set :D

I can understand just replacing the ram with 2x8. It's much easier to install, and also leaves you the option for 4x8 in the future.
 
Keep in mind that we are in that ackward mfg state of ddr3 so if it is any thing like ddr2 or ddr1 then as Ddr4 production ramps up ddr3 will get more expensive. But for gaming and pretty much everything else then 16gb is good. The only game I have seen as of yet to really use more than 8gb is arkham knight but that is crappy memory leaks.
 
deepinya said:
Ill be using it mainly for gaming so would 16gb be enough? Id love to use 2x8gb now that I look in my case. If I had a bad stick, it would require removing the heatsink to get to one bank. g.skill and crucial would be my top choice as far as manufacturer.
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16gb is plenty for gaming.
 
So stick to ddr3 1600? I always though more bandwidth for frames in game was better than tighter timing?

I see 2133, 2400 and 2800 ddr3.

Also the voltage comes into play. I think 1.65v was the max this mobo can take?

Thanks again guys, hoping to buy something in the next day or so but damn there are no deals on ram Im interested in lol.
 
Stick to 1.5v or less, this has been the recommendation for longest processor life since Sandy Bridge.

2133 should be fast enough for anything, but if faster speeds are not much more expensive, why not?
 
8g ram is still enough for most games star wars battlefront is the only one i have seen to suggest 16g is needed so far but 16g is becoming the new standard

is your ram samsung oem 2x4g 1600 11-11-11 1.35v ? if so they are slow at stock speeds but oc like a bat outa hell mine do 2400 9-11-11 no problem

oc the cpu to ~4.3ghz you will need something better than stock cooling on it
1.65v is nothing to fear if your happy to oc many people have been running it for years without problem

faster ram not helping performance is a myth it can help game performance a lot once you become cpu limited
the reason so many reviews show no difference is that they are usually gpu bottlenecked

some tests i just ran ht vs ram
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293604-HT-vs-Ram-in-Game-Benchmark

a bunch of reviews showing how ram speed effects cpu performance
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37837493&postcount=14

gpu is the main thing you need to upgrade for games extra ram isnt going to do you any good when you only have 1.5g vram and faster ram\cpu oc wont help with such a slow old gpu
gtx970 3.5g\r9 390 8g is where you should be looking maybe fury\980ti if you had the budget
 
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Unless you're video editing (on that cpu?) then you don't need more than 16GB, mixing and matching is fine, ram will run at the lowest stick's speed
 
defaultluser said:
Stick to 1.5v or less, this has been the recommendation for longest processor life since Sandy Bridge.

2133 should be fast enough for anything, but if faster speeds are not much more expensive, why not?
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Tough to find 1.5v 2133 ram these days.

dasa said:
8g ram is still enough for most games star wars battlefront is the only one i have seen to suggest 16g is needed so far but 16g is becoming the new standard

is your ram samsung oem 2x4g 1600 11-11-11 1.35v ? if so they are slow at stock speeds but oc like a bat outa hell mine do 2400 9-11-11 no problem

oc the cpu to ~4.3ghz you will need something better than stock cooling on it
1.65v is nothing to fear if your happy to oc many people have been running it for years without problem

faster ram not helping performance is a myth it can help game performance a lot once you become cpu limited
the reason so many reviews show no difference is that they are usually gpu bottlenecked

some tests i just ran ht vs ram
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293604-HT-vs-Ram-in-Game-Benchmark

a bunch of reviews showing how ram speed effects cpu performance
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37837493&postcount=14

gpu is the main thing you need to upgrade for games extra ram isnt going to do you any good when you only have 1.5g vram and faster ram\cpu oc wont help with such a slow old gpu
gtx970 3.5g\r9 390 8g is where you should be looking maybe fury\980ti if you had the budget
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lol how did you know the exact ram I was using? It is indeed 11-11-11 1.35v! Ill be using the ocz vendetta cooler which I love cause its so quiet.

I have a gtx 980 on the way (Wednesday) and I plan on buying battlefront....its like you are in my head!



*The*Dark*Lord* said:
Unless you're video editing (on that cpu?) then you don't need more than 16GB, mixing and matching is fine, ram will run at the lowest stick's speed
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A buddy was telling me to just get 32gb cause ddr3 may become scarce (stupid expensive) once ddr4 ramps up.
 
deepinya said:
Tough to find 1.5v 2133 ram these days.




lol how did you know the exact ram I was using? It is indeed 11-11-11 1.35v! Ill be using the ocz vendetta cooler which I love cause its so quiet.

I have a gtx 980 on the way (Wednesday) and I plan on buying battlefront....its like you are in my head!





A buddy was telling me to just get 32gb cause ddr3 may become scarce (stupid expensive) once ddr4 ramps up.
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You'll likely want to build a new machine long before you need 32gb of RAM.
 
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I went with 32GB (4x8GB) because i like the ram drive concept.

16GB of it for the drive, 16GB for the system - works great. No SSD wear from the temp files, the ram drive gets reset after every reboot so no need to clear out temp folders - it's nice.

That being said, 1600mhz rated stuff is usually only a little bit cheaper than 2133mhz rated stuff so you might as well go with the 2133mhz sticks, OP.
 
outers said:
You'll likely want to build a new machine long before you need 32gb of RAM.
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Im gonna try to stick with 16gb for now.

defaultluser said:
See, now I know for a fact that you're just being fucking lazy! All I did was search google for "1.5v 2133", and found several hits with decent priced:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=003ARDC116PNT71ED23K

Stop acting like a poor lost puppy, you obviously know better than this!
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did you read the fact that I need low profile ram? Or the fact that I mentioned what brands Id like to stick with? If you are going to flame me, at least read what Im looking for. Its been like 2-3 years since Ive even posted so I dont know how much has changed or even what prices are considered good.


atp1916 said:
I went with 32GB (4x8GB) because i like the ram drive concept.

16GB of it for the drive, 16GB for the system - works great. No SSD wear from the temp files, the ram drive gets reset after every reboot so no need to clear out temp folders - it's nice.

That being said, 1600mhz rated stuff is usually only a little bit cheaper than 2133mhz rated stuff so you might as well go with the 2133mhz sticks, OP.
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My rig runs 24/7 and I rarely reboot it.

Thanks to dasa- If I can find more of the Samsung ram I have it seems to clock @ 2133 with relative ease and low voltage. He got 2400 with 9-11-11 which is pretty nuts based on the current 2400 offerings. (I dont know what voltage it took)
 
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with 2600k it did
2133 10-10-10 1.42v
2133 9-10-10 1.55v
2133 8-10-10 1.85v

3770k im having some trouble with cpu doesn't like to post with 1.49v+ it often gives boot code 55
but 2400 10-11-11 did seem fairly stable at 1.6v after a few resets till it finally posts
2200 10-11-11 1.485v also seems ok and is what im currently running 24\7 to get around post problems im having
sorry i forget what it took for 2400 9-11-11 but it would have been 1.65v or less
 
dasa said:
with 2600k it did
2133 10-10-10 1.42v
2133 9-10-10 1.55v
2133 8-10-10 1.85v

3770k im having some trouble with cpu doesn't like to post with 1.49v+ it often gives boot code 55
but 2400 10-11-11 did seem fairly stable at 1.6v after a few resets till it finally posts
2200 10-11-11 1.485v also seems ok and is what im currently running 24\7 to get around post problems im having
sorry i forget what it took for 2400 9-11-11 but it would have been 1.65v or less
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Are you running an MSI Z68/Z77 based board? I had issues with that error due to the fact that I am running my 3007K de-lidded. I have the stock cpu retention bracket removed and am running direct die cooling with my XSPC Raystorm block...

The block uses an acrylic top, and I found that if one of the mounting screws was a quarter turn too tight, the system would POST, ERROR 55, and then reboot about 8 seconds in a boot loop. The issue is related to either a bent CPU bin, or the cpu not sitting completely flat due to uneven pressure from the cooling system..

On another note, that Sammy wonder ram is the devil with the MSI Z77 MPOWER...MSI released 4 or 5 offical BIOS releases (and a few more betas) but it was still super flaky when every other Z77 board seemed to love it..

OP, as far as ram voltage goes, I have run mine @ 2133 10-11-11-15 @ 1.65V since the launch of the 3770K and my rig is on and loaded 100% 24/7..Never had an issue..
 
defaultluser said:
Four sticks of four is fine, you probably won't need 32gb until the next console generation.

Your cpu is still fine, although you can get a free 25 percent performance boost for free if you overclock.

The gpu you should upgrade to a GTX 970.
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+1 I used to have a similar setup to what you currently have and just added more memory and a GTX980 on top of my easy 4.2 GHz overclock. Runs all games much better than before. I really don't see any need to upgrade the processor.
 
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deepinya said:
Finding that wonder ram is the issue.

What about some of these choices?

(2133 cas11 1.5v) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231755
(2133 cas10 1.6v) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231659
(2400 cas11 1.65v) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231671
(1600 cas 8 1.35v) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148657


Im wondering if that crucial ram will o/c like the samsung ram
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I have two 4 GB sticks available of the Samsung wonderram. I just took it out of the rig in my sig in order to upgrade to 16 GB. PM me if interested.
 
Sorry man, I already ordered the 2133 cas10 16gb kit. Was only $60 after coupon code and free shipping.
 
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