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Do you own a drone? If you answered "yes," you are a creep and a peeping Tom.

“Drones have a lot of potentially useful and extremely innovative uses,” said Senator Hannah-Beth Jackson, the California Democrat who introduced the bill. “Invading our privacy and property without permission shouldn’t be among them. When we’re in our backyards, with our families, we have an expectation that we have a right to privacy.”
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One of these landed in my front yard about a month ago. Living in suburbia, it's a little creepy that somebody is flying around spying on people. I see the value if you have a lot of land or other reasons to see what's going on over a large space. Flying it in a neighborhood on the other hand is definitely an invasion of privacy.

If it wasn't against the law I would be tempted to shoot these out of the air with a shotgun.
 
Since when do you have an expectation of privacy in your back yard? 99% of the time, your neighbors can see you just fine, so might want to keep your dick in your pants... just a suggestion.

And if your windows are open, again, whats the difference between someone nearby with one of those inexpensive superzoom cameras and a drone? Every time I come home I can see what the neighbors are watching on TV, because the cheap ass bastards won't invest in simple blinds, dressings, or opaque "etched" film.

Lastly, I always laugh when a woman wears a string bikini that disappears into her butthole or yoga pants that are so thin that the material is basically painted on, and then get offended when someone looks... unless its someone they WANT to look! That's the real rule, is you can only look if they want to have sex with you, except that's not how the world works. ;)
 
Seriously.... Especially in california, houses are so dense you can see the backyard's of your whole street without a copter with a camera...

And have the people pushing these bills ever been near one? Those things are effing loud... You would absolutely know if one was flying nearby filming. So it's not like southpark where they can sit outside your window as you change without noticing.
 
Backyard? Not too big a deal if just flying by....but if it stays too long it's getting knocked out of the sky.
Looking in a window? Shotgun blast. ;)
 
Monkey34 said:
Backyard? Not too big a deal if just flying by....but if it stays too long it's getting knocked out of the sky.
Looking in a window? Shotgun blast. ;)
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We just need simple laws. You own XYZ altitude above your property. Anything above that altitude, you can eat a bag of dicks as you don't own it and anyone can fly over you.

IMO a reasonable altitude is 60ft+ over residential areas.
 
Ducman69 said:
Since when do you have an expectation of privacy in your back yard? 99% of the time, your neighbors can see you just fine, so might want to keep your dick in your pants... just a suggestion.

And if your windows are open, again, whats the difference between someone nearby with one of those inexpensive superzoom cameras and a drone? Every time I come home I can see what the neighbors are watching on TV, because the cheap ass bastards won't invest in simple blinds, dressings, or opaque "etched" film.

Lastly, I always laugh when a woman wears a string bikini that disappears into her butthole or yoga pants that are so thin that the material is basically painted on, and then get offended when someone looks... unless its someone they WANT to look! That's the real rule, is you can only look if they want to have sex with you, except that's not how the world works. ;)
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I strongly disagree with this. I should have every expectation of privacy in my backyard. I'm not some pornstar/playboy running around naked, but I also don't like the idea of people watching me swim in my pool or my wife sunbathe. I have enough landscaping where my neighbors can't see shit unless they literally stand next to the fence and peer over. That's a little easier to notice/stop than a drone flying high with a 4k camera video taping my wife in her bikini so some creeper can wank it.
 
Dawill said:
I strongly disagree with this. I should have every expectation of privacy in my backyard. I'm not some pornstar/playboy running around naked, but I also don't like the idea of people watching me swim in my pool or my wife sunbathe. I have enough landscaping where my neighbors can't see shit unless they literally stand next to the fence and peer over. That's a little easier to notice/stop than a drone flying high with a 4k camera video taping my wife in her bikini so some creeper can wank it.
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The problem with that attitude is you're setting laws based on exceptional cases. Most people who get a drone will have absolutely no interest in seeing you or your wife and will probably just want to fly it around their neighbourhood for a bit of fun. If you ban drones you're ruining everyone's fun to protect against an exceptionally unlikely event.

It's exactly the same way the government uses the excuse of terrorists and paedophiles to rob the majority of their freedom. The government passes very damaging laws to protect against something that's extremely unlikely to happen. In this case they're using creeps as an excuse to take further freedom away from the public.

Don't get me wrong, this particular issue is a tough balancing act between freedom and privacy. I believe strongly in privacy to the point where I use a secure, encrypted VPN for all my web browsing (using it now). However, when it comes down to allowing free use of drones or handing more control of our lives over to the government, I definitely come down on the side of freedom.
 
I don't get the thinking at all in this. What's different about looking at someone else over the internet like where you can get that stuff for free if you're the sad, dissatisfied type that's infatuated with it than doing it with a drone? It's still being seen through a screen so, you know, its just as dumb.

Also, what is it with people and being like, "Imma fix that thar problem by a' shootin' it with pappy's daggum shotgun!" Brain chemistry is totally stopping critical thinking or something.
 
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Drones are new.

Don't you understand that new things are to be loathed and feared? Even better, shot.

For freedom, of course, no one would shoot a drone for anything but sweet, sweet liberty.

Of course, the only reason a drone would be near any woman it is clearly to film her goddessfulness without permission. There is literally no other reason for a drone to take pictures other than to violate women. Every single woman on earth is just that incredible to behold. That makes drones creepy.

Drone shooting could be a fun game though.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Drones are new.

Don't you understand that new things are to be loathed and feared? Even better, shot.

For freedom, of course, no one would shoot a drone for anything but sweet, sweet liberty.

Of course, the only reason a drone would be near any woman it is clearly to film her goddessfulness without permission. There is literally no other reason for a drone to take pictures other than to violate women. Every single woman on earth is just that incredible to behold. That makes drones creepy.

Drone shooting could be a fun game though.
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I'm an engineer working on new technology. It's not the fact that I'm afraid of new things or change that I made my statements. It's a fact that people use drones to spy on people. I don't necessarily think I have been a victim or will be but I think right of privacy trumps "right to have fun" on these type of things. All I'm saying is they shouldn't be flown around neighborhoods. Take them to a park that allows them or on your own property. However I think it should be similar to trespassing flying drones over other's property. Just like most trespassing is harmless, so are most drone flights. However there should still be regulation in place to protect privacy and people's property. Just because something is fun and harmless 90% of the time doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated.

I probably would have had a similar opinion 10 years ago, but now that I'm in my 30's and I have a large investment in my family, and home, I would prefer to protect that over somebody being able to have fun over my residence. This isn't some tech phobia. It's reality that people like to spy/pry on others. I think I'm within my rights to limit that ability at my own home. If I'm out in public then film me with your drone all damn day.. I have a different expectation of privacy outside my home.
 
Dawill said:
I'm an engineer working on new technology. It's not the fact that I'm afraid of new things or change that I made my statements. It's a fact that people use drones to spy on people. I don't necessarily think I have been a victim or will be but I think right of privacy trumps "right to have fun" on these type of things. All I'm saying is they shouldn't be flown around neighborhoods. Take them to a park that allows them or on your own property. However I think it should be similar to trespassing flying drones over other's property. Just like most trespassing is harmless, so are most drone flights. However there should still be regulation in place to protect privacy and people's property. Just because something is fun and harmless 90% of the time doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated.

I probably would have had a similar opinion 10 years ago, but now that I'm in my 30's and I have a large investment in my family, and home, I would prefer to protect that over somebody being able to have fun over my residence. This isn't some tech phobia. It's reality that people like to spy/pry on others. I think I'm within my rights to limit that ability at my own home. If I'm out in public then film me with your drone all damn day.. I have a different expectation of privacy outside my home.
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So why are you not worried about satellite cameras, cctv on every street, police using infrared to see inside your home, smart tvs spying on you and listening to your family, nsa snooping on every packet you send on the internet. Surveillance is already here, it's ubiquitous in our daily lives. Why the hell do people get so bent out of shape about drones if they've accepted every other prying into their personal lives?
You get filmed by 7 different cameras walking down the street, but you see a flying camera and people go nuts. What a whacky world.
 
Dawill said:
I strongly disagree with this. I should have every expectation of privacy in my backyard. I'm not some pornstar/playboy running around naked, but I also don't like the idea of people watching me swim in my pool or my wife sunbathe. I have enough landscaping where my neighbors can't see shit unless they literally stand next to the fence and peer over. That's a little easier to notice/stop than a drone flying high with a 4k camera video taping my wife in her bikini so some creeper can wank it.
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Congratulations, you build a fence and had landscaping done because you wanted privacy in 2 dimensions, now we live in a 3 dimensional world so in order to truly expect privacy you need to put a top over your back yard.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Congratulations, you build a fence and had landscaping done because you wanted privacy in 2 dimensions, now we live in a 3 dimensional world so in order to truly expect privacy you need to put a top over your back yard.
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He just wants the illusion of privacy. That's all.
 
Ducman69 said:
Since when do you have an expectation of privacy in your back yard? 99% of the time, your neighbors can see you just fine, so might want to keep your dick in your pants... just a suggestion.
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^^ Creepy drone spy confirmed.
 
Save your $1000 on your spy drone, I will sell my gf photos for less. lol j/k :p
 
Ducman69 said:
We just need simple laws. You own XYZ altitude above your property. Anything above that altitude, you can eat a bag of dicks as you don't own it and anyone can fly over you.

IMO a reasonable altitude is 60ft+ over residential areas.
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uh pretty sure land owners already have control of air rights up to something like 500ft. anything flying below that altitude, over your property, is trespassing
 
Has anyone, trying to put these laws in place or people complaining about them, actually looked at the video from a quad copter?

Everything is an ant at anything over 25-30 feet and the amount of noise a quad copter puts out is very very noticeable.

Example, strap a gopro on your head or chest and walk around. Notice how close you have to be to make someone out.
 
ml_paladin888 said:
uh pretty sure land owners already have control of air rights up to something like 500ft. anything flying below that altitude, over your property, is trespassing
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Nope, they don't. A lot of people are just stupid and call stuff trespassing that isn't because they don't understand the law.

All airspace above your property falls under common use, so you can use it, but you can't even use it if the purpose is only to interfere with air traffic.

So for example you can build a super tall building if you are going to legitimately use it, but there were people living near an airport that put super duper long poles installed on their property to force aircraft to fly around their house instead of over it, and the government made them take it down as its shared usage and they were purposefully just interfering with others usage.

But in another case for example, there was a chicken farmer who's chickens were literally panicking and dying every time the WW2 era super loud aircraft would fly right over his property at super low altitude. Because the air traffic interfered directly with his usage of the land and livelihood, the court sided with him.

So unless you can show the courts that your usage of the land and your livelihood are at stake because a quiet electric drone flew by at 80 feet overhead, nope, you are just a law breaking a-hole that will be liable for destruction of private property and potentially various other laws (public endangerment etc if shooting at it) if you try to take out a RC craft.
 
Dawill said:
One of these landed in my front yard about a month ago. Living in suburbia, it's a little creepy that somebody is flying around spying on people. I see the value if you have a lot of land or other reasons to see what's going on over a large space. Flying it in a neighborhood on the other hand is definitely an invasion of privacy.

If it wasn't against the law I would be tempted to shoot these out of the air with a shotgun.
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Nope, it's not, that is just your perception. What, a guy can't buy a toy and play with it if he lives in the city. You never bitched about people flying their kites did you?

This is exactly what the article is trying to get across, just because it's a drone people like you make the irrational leap of logic that it's being misused. And if one is being misused, then the law already has that misuse covered so there is no need for additional laws anyway. A peeping tom is a peeping tom whether he's doing it in person or with a drone.
 
lcpiper said:
Nope, it's not, that is just your perception. What, a guy can't buy a toy and play with it if he lives in the city. You never bitched about people flying their kites did you?

This is exactly what the article is trying to get across, just because it's a drone people like you make the irrational leap of logic that it's being misused. And if one is being misused, then the law already has that misuse covered so there is no need for additional laws anyway. A peeping tom is a peeping tom whether he's doing it in person or with a drone.
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Very well said. These journalists word their articles like this to manipulate people into getting into debates for the clicks. We need to take a step back and look at the issue at hand not just slap laws on it because that just leads to needing a lawyer just to walk down the street safely.
 
Dawill said:
One of these landed in my front yard about a month ago. Living in suburbia, it's a little creepy that somebody is flying around spying on people. I see the value if you have a lot of land or other reasons to see what's going on over a large space. Flying it in a neighborhood on the other hand is definitely an invasion of privacy.

If it wasn't against the law I would be tempted to shoot these out of the air with a shotgun.
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I'm sure there are other tools to accomplish the task. A paint gun perhaps? You may not destroy it yourself, but if they're relying on the video feed to navigate, then it should be fun to watch them crash it...and you may be able to beat them to it and deliver the finishing blow.
 
mynamehere said:
I'm sure there are other tools to accomplish the task. A paint gun perhaps? You may not destroy it yourself, but if they're relying on the video feed to navigate, then it should be fun to watch them crash it...and you may be able to beat them to it and deliver the finishing blow.
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You'd literally video tape yourself destroying someone's property and then handing them the video? Because chances are good that's what you're doing if you're trying to destroy a RC aircraft with a camera feed on it, which most of the time are recorded.


The victim gets to charge you for parts + labor (whatever reasonable figure he feels like) + court fees if you challenge him, and has video evidence to support him. And it argument was "he was in my airspace", you don't legally own it so would have no leg to stand on, and you'd have a hard time convincing the judge that the aircraft posed a safety risk and that you reduced that risk by crashing it.
 
Ducman69 said:
You'd literally video tape yourself destroying someone's property and then handing them the video? Because chances are good that's what you're doing if you're trying to destroy a RC aircraft with a camera feed on it, which most of the time are recorded.


And it argument was "he was in my airspace", you don't legally own it so would have no leg to stand on, and you'd have a hard time convincing the judge that the aircraft posed a safety risk and that you reduced that risk by crashing it.
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That made me think of something. What if the drone driver is drunk and might crash into someone? I'm not saying that would be the case or you could prove it in court later on but what if people do get drunk and fly there drones into something/someone? Maybe a drone DUI lol.
 
Ducman69 said:
You'd literally video tape yourself destroying someone's property and then handing them the video? Because chances are good that's what you're doing if you're trying to destroy a RC aircraft with a camera feed on it, which most of the time are recorded.


The victim gets to charge you for parts + labor (whatever reasonable figure he feels like) + court fees if you challenge him, and has video evidence to support him. And it argument was "he was in my airspace", you don't legally own it so would have no leg to stand on, and you'd have a hard time convincing the judge that the aircraft posed a safety risk and that you reduced that risk by crashing it.
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You make a valid point. So don a disguise and sneak into a neighbor's yard to shoot it (durka durka?)? :D
 
While I'm not against people flying their drones over a neighborhood, I wouldn't want someone to fly their drone right into my own backyard. That's trespassing IMO.

Just like how anyone can look at my home from the street, but that doesn't mean they can climb into my back yard to look around.
 
Ducman69 said:
Nope, they don't. A lot of people are just stupid and call stuff trespassing that isn't because they don't understand the law.

All airspace above your property falls under common use, so you can use it, but you can't even use it if the purpose is only to interfere with air traffic.

So for example you can build a super tall building if you are going to legitimately use it, but there were people living near an airport that put super duper long poles installed on their property to force aircraft to fly around their house instead of over it, and the government made them take it down as its shared usage and they were purposefully just interfering with others usage.

But in another case for example, there was a chicken farmer who's chickens were literally panicking and dying every time the WW2 era super loud aircraft would fly right over his property at super low altitude. Because the air traffic interfered directly with his usage of the land and livelihood, the court sided with him.

So unless you can show the courts that your usage of the land and your livelihood are at stake because a quiet electric drone flew by at 80 feet overhead, nope, you are just a law breaking a-hole that will be liable for destruction of private property and potentially various other laws (public endangerment etc if shooting at it) if you try to take out a RC craft.
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HAHAAHAH quiet... Just because they are electric doesn't make them quiet. They are loud as shit, especially larger ones carrying cameras. I have a micro quad the size of your palm and you would still probably hear that at 80'. Any normal sized quads would have to push the upper limit they can legally fly (400') to try and spy on someone, and would still most likely be noticeable. Might as well by trying to sneak up on someone while carrying a leaf blower...
 
Biznatch said:
HAHAAHAH quiet... Just because they are electric doesn't make them quiet. They are loud as shit, especially larger ones carrying cameras. I have a micro quad the size of your palm and you would still probably hear that at 80'. Any normal sized quads would have to push the upper limit they can legally fly (400') to try and spy on someone, and would still most likely be noticeable. Might as well by trying to sneak up on someone while carrying a leaf blower...
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We are speaking subjectively here...

I was comparing it to a WW2 fighter aircraft that has a 45 liter radial engine with a straight exhaust and no mufflers flying at 60 feet above a chicken farm, which the government sided with the land owner against the aircraft because it was so loud.

So loud that most likely pictures were falling off of walls in the guys home.

An electric drone by contrast is certainly whisper quiet by comparison, even if of course you would notice the average one flying at moderate altitude. You wouldn't hear one inside with your windows closed though.
 
Hornet said:
While I'm not against people flying their drones over a neighborhood, I wouldn't want someone to fly their drone right into my own backyard. That's trespassing IMO.

Just like how anyone can look at my home from the street, but that doesn't mean they can climb into my back yard to look around.
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Good point. In such cases they should be treated as an extension of the user. They are trespassing; if found to be anything more than innocent such as simply being off course...prosecute them.
 
Hornet said:
While I'm not against people flying their drones over a neighborhood, I wouldn't want someone to fly their drone right into my own backyard. That's trespassing IMO.
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Except its not, which is why we need new laws regulating them IMO.

Something that both hobbyists and home owners can agree on would be reasonable. I doubt you'd care if a tiny white drone you could hardly see whizzed by over your houses in a neighborhood at 80 feet altitude, right?

Such aerial photography would be not only fun, but great for realtors for example trying to sell a property online. Granted there's google maps, but the satellite imagery is usually kinda shitty and often very out of date.
 
mynamehere said:
Good point. In such cases they should be treated as an extension of the user. They are trespassing; if found to be anything more than innocent such as simply being off course...prosecute them.
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It is an extension of the user, and its not illegal for someone to hover 50 feet over your house either. ;)

You can say we need laws on it, but as of right now we don't and no laws means legal and a case-by-case basis.
 
Darunion said:
Save your $1000 on your spy drone, I will sell my gf photos for less. lol j/k :p
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Seriously. This is what I never understood, that although yes, the technology is available to basically anyone, its not exactly cheap. I'd still be more worried about peepers with binoculars that I can't see than drones that I can. Besides, wouldn't a good laser pointer kind of an "F YOU" if someone is legitimately just hovering and peering into a window?
 
Ducman69 said:
Except its not, which is why we need new laws regulating them IMO.

Something that both hobbyists and home owners can agree on would be reasonable. I doubt you'd care if a tiny white drone you could hardly see whizzed by over your houses in a neighborhood at 80 feet altitude, right?

Such aerial photography would be not only fun, but great for realtors for example trying to sell a property online. Granted there's google maps, but the satellite imagery is usually kinda shitty and often very out of date.
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Of course, a drone flying at 80ft isn't going to bother me. I was thinking of something closer, like hovering a couple feet from my window, then I'd have a problem with that.
 
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