FCC Chairman: Lawsuits Won't Beat Net Neutrality

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I sure hope this guy is right.

While visiting TechCrunch Disrupt in New York this morning, FCC chairman Tom Wheeler reaffirmed his belief in a victory for the internet, saying he was "pretty confident" in the outcome of the cases and that his plan for now was simply "not to lose".
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If these rules don't hold up someone has some 'splainin to do--because the whole motive for Title II was "Well, you can't do that if you don't say they're common carriers."

"Okay, they're common carriers."

If the courts do anything other than dismiss/drop this, it will only be because of some massive shenanigans by the teleco lawyers. It looks bulletproof. Let's hope it is.
 
ISPs are going to drag this out as long as possible in hopes that a republican is elected President, and that person would replace Wheeler with a commissioner who is will reverse the FCC's ruling.
 
lucidrenegade said:
ISPs are going to drag this out as long as possible in hopes that a republican is elected President, and that person would replace Wheeler with a commissioner who is will reverse the FCC's ruling.
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Correction, like a tiny handful of ISPS that own 99% of the market are going to drag this out. Comcast, AT&T, Verizon.
 
lucidrenegade said:
ISPs are going to drag this out as long as possible in hopes that a republican is elected President, and that person would replace Wheeler with a commissioner who is will reverse the FCC's ruling.
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ISP's already got what they wanted.
The power the FCC now has will allow the ISPs to take everything to court which will beget bad court rulings or more regulation creating a quagmire against change. Before if someone deployed a new technology they couldn't take them directly to court for merely existing They could go to their exclusivity contracts with municipalities on a case by case basis. Now they can drag the fundamental idea of using that technology to court. No new players, no new technologies, no new infrastructure because the fact they are regulated allows the existing ISPs to take their existence and implementation to court for decade long battles.

Netflix, Hulu, etc can still exist because they are a handful of video services that represent a minority of TV viewing. If TV was to die, we'd need a couple dozen Netflix and a whole new internet infrastructure with new technologies to support the load. Those will be tied up in regulatory naval watching and bureaucracy and/or the courts for decades.

Take the cell phones, it took an executive order from Ronald Reagan to make the FCC get out of its own way to allow them. And the FCC was on record in support of them and couldn't get out of its own way.

The FCC's new powers are a Godsend to the ISPs.
 
jpm100 said:
Now they can drag the fundamental idea of using that technology to court. No new players, no new technologies, no new infrastructure because the fact they are regulated allows the existing ISPs to take their existence and implementation to court for decade long battles.
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You can take a ham sandwich to court so I don't know how lack of these new rules would dissuade a motivated party not to do so. Plus there have been a plethora of attempted litigation of that nature that you speak of, attempts top block everything from VCRs to MP3 players long before the issue of net neutrality.

But ultimately, if these companies had gotten what they wanted it's highly unlikely that they'd be spending millions perhaps even billions of dollars on this litigation depending on how long it plays out.
 
heatlesssun said:
You can take a ham sandwich to court so I don't know how lack of these new rules would dissuade a motivated party not to do so. Plus there have been a plethora of attempted litigation of that nature that you speak of, attempts top block everything from VCRs to MP3 players long before the issue of net neutrality.

But ultimately, if these companies had gotten what they wanted it's highly unlikely that they'd be spending millions perhaps even billions of dollars on this litigation depending on how long it plays out.
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millions in litigation is cheap for them, they make billions and like I said instead of fighting locally city by city or state by state, they fight it in one place. Cost savings actually.

And you couldn't take Google fiber to court for being fiber, now you can. It's now worse, white wash it all you want, won't change what will happen. Or more succinctly, now never happen,
 
jpm100 said:
And you couldn't take Google fiber to court for being fiber, now you can.
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How do these new rules make it possible for a private concern to take Google to court over Google Fiber for being fiber when you say it wasn't possible without these rules?
 
jpm100 said:
ISP's already got what they wanted.
The power the FCC now has will allow the ISPs to take everything to court which will beget bad court rulings or more regulation creating a quagmire against change. Before if someone deployed a new technology they couldn't take them directly to court for merely existing They could go to their exclusivity contracts with municipalities on a case by case basis. Now they can drag the fundamental idea of using that technology to court. No new players, no new technologies, no new infrastructure because the fact they are regulated allows the existing ISPs to take their existence and implementation to court for decade long battles.

Netflix, Hulu, etc can still exist because they are a handful of video services that represent a minority of TV viewing. If TV was to die, we'd need a couple dozen Netflix and a whole new internet infrastructure with new technologies to support the load. Those will be tied up in regulatory naval watching and bureaucracy and/or the courts for decades.

Take the cell phones, it took an executive order from Ronald Reagan to make the FCC get out of its own way to allow them. And the FCC was on record in support of them and couldn't get out of its own way.

The FCC's new powers are a Godsend to the ISPs.
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This is a new argument that I haven't seen before. Do you have a link to a conspiracy site or something so I can research further?
 
He is right as that is what the court told the fcc to do to impose its net neutrality rules on isp's this all came from verizion winning in court in 2010 to block the previous incarnation of the rules.
 
maxius said:
He is right as that is what the court told the fcc to do to impose its net neutrality rules on isp's this all came from verizion winning in court in 2010 to block the previous incarnation of the rules.
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He's saying that this will lead to more litigation between private parties. I don't see how these rules have anything to do with that.
 
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