Congress Wants To Legislate Net Neutrality

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You know you are moving too damn slow when Congress takes action before you do. :eek:

The industry-backed proposal would preempt efforts by the Federal Communications Commission to draw up new rules for Internet providers. While key details of the proposed bill are still being hammered out, the legislation would attempt to end a debate over the FCC's power to regulate net neutrality.
 
I don't know about letting Congress take over the reigns...

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Great ... the same people that think the internet is a network of tubes carrying information are going to legislate neutrality ... what could possibly go wrong :eek:
 
Does anyone actually think the new Republican-controlled Congress is going to draft a law that favors the consumer over big business? Anyone at all?
 
I'm sure the large corporations would love to have congress take over. Their money/lobbying will have a lot more affect, and congress actually has power to do something and enforce, unlike the FCC.

Plus if something actually does get done (HA!), it will have so much irrelevant 'bipartisan' bullshit tacked on to it to fuck up all sorts of other items. Just like the piece of shit budget those useless fucks just approved...
 
I'll wait to read what they are proposing. There isnt any substance in that article to form an actual opion on the bill.
 
Congressional action always preempts whatever the FCC does, and the FCC is fully aware of the fact that it is entirely subservient to Congress. Large corporations are run so much more efficiently and so much smarter than the government is run it's pathetic...could you imagine Congress (or the FCC) being asked to design the next space shuttle, let alone the next generation of computer cpu or cell phone? Lol...;) It's really amusing how much confidence some people have in the ability of untrained and unschooled government bureaucrats to do anything more substantial than tax and spend other people's money. It's always the same-old story--some people favor bureaucratic governance from unskilled government politicians because the politicians promise them something for free--that they never, ever deliver on...;) You'd think people would learn one day that instead of all the freebies they promise the bureaucrats deliver only higher prices, lesser choice, and higher taxes. (Dog bites you once..., etc.) People seem to love it when the politicians lie to them.
 
Does anyone actually think the new Republican-controlled Congress is going to draft a law that favors the consumer over big business? Anyone at all?

LESS GOVERNMENT LESS GOVERNMENT! Oh wait, our corporate lobbyists aren't happy? MORE GOVERNMENT!
 
ah the republicains are at it again looks like the potus's veto pen will need more ink just look all their day one accomplishments... its disgraceful

What are you referring to? One of the bills, or all of them?

Before you answer, I am assuming you've read all the bills and know exactly what's being proposed.

If you just read (or watched) this on CNN or MSNBC or FOX, etc. then you only know how they wanted to present the "facts".

To simply repeat what a "liberal" or "conservative" news organisation "told" you makes you an idiot. Just sayin'.
 
Congressional action always preempts whatever the FCC does, and the FCC is fully aware of the fact that it is entirely subservient to Congress. Large corporations are run so much more efficiently and so much smarter than the government is run it's pathetic...could you imagine Congress (or the FCC) being asked to design the next space shuttle, let alone the next generation of computer cpu or cell phone? Lol...;) It's really amusing how much confidence some people have in the ability of untrained and unschooled government bureaucrats to do anything more substantial than tax and spend other people's money. It's always the same-old story--some people favor bureaucratic governance from unskilled government politicians because the politicians promise them something for free--that they never, ever deliver on...;) You'd think people would learn one day that instead of all the freebies they promise the bureaucrats deliver only higher prices, lesser choice, and higher taxes. (Dog bites you once..., etc.) People seem to love it when the politicians lie to them.
You're right large corporations are run so efficiently just look at American Airlines, Lehman Brothers, United Airlines, Delta Airline, Washington Mutual, General Growth Properties, Worldcom, GM, CIT group, Enron, MF Global, Conseco, Chrystler Group, Thornburg Mortgage, Texaco, Financial Corp of America, Refco, IndyMac BanCorp, Global Crossing, Lyondell Chemical, Calpine.

Perhaps you'll like the not so special info that the American Airlines CEO when he saw the airlines were doing poorly, created a secret trust to funnel executive retirement benefits into which contains the stipulation that the trust cannot be touched in any bankruptcy hearing all while doubling the pay of the top 50 executives of the company this all while fighting the 3 main unions over cuts because they can't stem the losses under iirc "shared sacrifice". The people who run congress are the same people who run large companies scum is scum i hate to see how them selling us stuff is better than them faking an interest in governance of a people.

I find it funny people hate bureaucracy but love corporations which are businesses built on bureaucracy if you ever worked for a large corporation you'll know there is paperwork and bureaucracy for everything you do.
 
Interesting. Looking at it politically, this would seem to be a bad issue for a Republican Congress to start off with, assuming this bill is as industry friendly as the OP article suggests. Any bill that allows for industry controlled speed lanes would be an easy veto and unlikely be overturned.
 
Much like everything else should be made by a well educated and non bribed 3rd party in the interest of the PEOPLE.
 
Half of those old fucking coots don't even know what the Internet is?

They don't need to, since 'the proposal is being backed by several large telecommunications companies'. They don't need to understand the Internet to understand how to pass the law Verizon and AT&T wrote for them.
 
Who wouldn't want the brains behind the Patriot Act and the NDAA to make legislation regulating the internet? Government is force - the ability to use that force is usually sought after by sociopaths.

Corporations look to utilize that force to give themselves a competitive advantage. Politicians look to utilize that force to give themselves control. Individual liberty is the enemy of both the incompetent corporation and the politician.
 
Government is force - the ability to use that force is usually sought after by sociopaths.

And that's the exquisite beauty of net neutrality from a political standpoint. Both sides of the issue WANT government force, it's just a matter of how each side wants that forced used and at what level. Even if the legislative and executive branches do nothing, it would be all but certain that in the case due to the inaction of those two branches that ISPs would go hog wild on setting up speed lanes and with absolute certainty a case would go to the Supreme Court.
 
ah the republicains are at it again looks like the potus's veto pen will need more ink just look all their day one accomplishments... its disgraceful

Obama vetoing a bill means it has to be good legislation.
 
You're right large corporations are run so efficiently just look at American Airlines, Lehman Brothers, United Airlines, Delta Airline, Washington Mutual, General Growth Properties, Worldcom, GM, CIT group, Enron, MF Global, Conseco, Chrystler Group, Thornburg Mortgage, Texaco, Financial Corp of America, Refco, IndyMac BanCorp, Global Crossing, Lyondell Chemical, Calpine.

Perhaps you'll like the not so special info that the American Airlines CEO when he saw the airlines were doing poorly, created a secret trust to funnel executive retirement benefits into which contains the stipulation that the trust cannot be touched in any bankruptcy hearing all while doubling the pay of the top 50 executives of the company this all while fighting the 3 main unions over cuts because they can't stem the losses under iirc "shared sacrifice". The people who run congress are the same people who run large companies scum is scum i hate to see how them selling us stuff is better than them faking an interest in governance of a people.

I find it funny people hate bureaucracy but love corporations which are businesses built on bureaucracy if you ever worked for a large corporation you'll know there is paperwork and bureaucracy for everything you do.
The US government has been bankrupt for Decades and would have been shutdown over half a century ago if it didn't make the laws and was treated like another corporation . I don't think you should be using bankruptcy as the benchmark to judge our government.
 
Congressional action always preempts whatever the FCC does, and the FCC is fully aware of the fact that it is entirely subservient to Congress. Large corporations are run so much more efficiently and so much smarter than the government is run it's pathetic...could you imagine Congress (or the FCC) being asked to design the next space shuttle, let alone the next generation of computer cpu or cell phone? Lol...;) It's really amusing how much confidence some people have in the ability of untrained and unschooled government bureaucrats to do anything more substantial than tax and spend other people's money. It's always the same-old story--some people favor bureaucratic governance from unskilled government politicians because the politicians promise them something for free--that they never, ever deliver on...;) You'd think people would learn one day that instead of all the freebies they promise the bureaucrats deliver only higher prices, lesser choice, and higher taxes. (Dog bites you once..., etc.) People seem to love it when the politicians lie to them.
On a good day, Congress can make prohibitive laws to govern conduct creating a policing situation which is the only time government intervention seems to help like the early SEC/banking rule days. Or we can go the Regulation Route (via the FCC) which always seems to promote industry incest and cronyism as seen by the historical industry cesspool of incest that is the FCC of which the Administration's pick of Wheeler is a classic example.

Unfortunately Congress can just as easily promote regulatory incest or go the crony route and rule in favor of the corporation directly. Chances are here that Cable is being sent a message that there's a new sheriff in town and they need to pay off the new sheriff like they were paying off the old sheriff.
 
Great ... the same people that think the internet is a network of tubes carrying information are going to legislate neutrality ... what could possibly go wrong :eek:

Part a network of tubes, part C.B. radio where there was no expectation of privacy because it wasn't digital, and it wasn't encrypted.
 
You're right large corporations are run so efficiently just look at American Airlines, Lehman Brothers, United Airlines, Delta Airline, Washington Mutual, General Growth Properties, Worldcom, GM, CIT group, Enron, MF Global, Conseco, Chrystler Group, Thornburg Mortgage, Texaco, Financial Corp of America, Refco, IndyMac BanCorp, Global Crossing, Lyondell Chemical, Calpine.

Perhaps you'll like the not so special info that the American Airlines CEO when he saw the airlines were doing poorly, created a secret trust to funnel executive retirement benefits into which contains the stipulation that the trust cannot be touched in any bankruptcy hearing all while doubling the pay of the top 50 executives of the company this all while fighting the 3 main unions over cuts because they can't stem the losses under iirc "shared sacrifice". The people who run congress are the same people who run large companies scum is scum i hate to see how them selling us stuff is better than them faking an interest in governance of a people.

I find it funny people hate bureaucracy but love corporations which are businesses built on bureaucracy if you ever worked for a large corporation you'll know there is paperwork and bureaucracy for everything you do.

In all fairness, it's America we are talking about, WaltC was probably talking about the GEO Group, or Correction Corporation of America. After all, all we lead the world in is mass incarceration.
 
Congressional action always preempts whatever the FCC does, and the FCC is fully aware of the fact that it is entirely subservient to Congress.

Bingo! Which is probably why Tom Wheeler has been talking pro-consumer for the last two months, he could make any claim he wanted, because the decision was never going to in his hands anyway.
 
Who wouldn't want the brains behind the Patriot Act and the NDAA to make legislation regulating the internet? Government is force - the ability to use that force is usually sought after by sociopaths.

Corporations look to utilize that force to give themselves a competitive advantage. Politicians look to utilize that force to give themselves control. Individual liberty is the enemy of both the incompetent corporation and the politician.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."

Attributed to George Washington, although the veracity of that claim is disputed.
 
The US government has been bankrupt for Decades and would have been shutdown over half a century ago if it didn't make the laws and was treated like another corporation . I don't think you should be using bankruptcy as the benchmark to judge our government.


The US government has been bankrupt for Decades and would have been shutdown over half a century ago if it didn't have a federal reserve banking system, which has allowed them to print additional currency by devaluing each dollar already in circulation.
 
Its not a corporation, or a household, or any other moronic comparison people make, it is the government of a world superpower that has its own currency which also happens to be the dominant reserve currency. So why even make the comparison? It's idiotic.
 
Does anyone actually think the new Republican-controlled Congress is going to draft a law that favors the consumer over big business? Anyone at all?

Damn straight they're lying, agreeing with the President on not implementing "paid prioritization". They have some loophole planned so they can screw the consumer. :rolleyes:
 
Its not a corporation, or a household, or any other moronic comparison people make, it is the government of a world superpower that has its own currency which also happens to be the dominant reserve currency. So why even make the comparison? It's idiotic.

If any country, say our largest creditor China, lends the USA 1 billion dollars today when the US dollar is worth say 100 cents, and then pays the 10 mil back 10 years later after the fed has printed more money which devalues all US currency in circulation by 10%, creditors begin to question our status as a debtor.

They begin to question your dollar, and the wisdom our your leadership. Which is why some nations have begun the process of moving away from the USD.
 
Its not a corporation, or a household, or any other moronic comparison people make, it is the government of a world superpower that has its own currency which also happens to be the dominant reserve currency. So why even make the comparison? It's idiotic.

Because we're accumulating debt the payments on which will eventually reach a snowball level and drive the debt creating a positive feedback loop. At which point it all goes down. But lenders will bail on us before then. Then it all falls apart at that point unless people will not flinch when welfare, social security, medicaid/medicare get turned off.

The comparison has some validity in that at some point lenders for a corporation can step in and force bankruptcy, usually to salvage something. The lenders won't keep lending to us indefinitely so its interesting to see what recourse they will take. Siezing foreign based US assests is quite likely among others. By that point we should have a prettty meager military so there won't be much we can do about if if they just decide to take shit. Just halting lending is prettty much all they have to do and we're fucked because of all the people that suckle at the teet of government with pretend money.

But don't worry, carry on, nothing to see here. It'll be your kid's problem or grandkid's problem so fuck it.
 
Because we're accumulating debt the payments on which will eventually reach a snowball level and drive the debt creating a positive feedback loop. At which point it all goes down. But lenders will bail on us before then. Then it all falls apart at that point unless people will not flinch when welfare, social security, medicaid/medicare get turned off.

The comparison has some validity in that at some point lenders for a corporation can step in and force bankruptcy, usually to salvage something. The lenders won't keep lending to us indefinitely so its interesting to see what recourse they will take. Siezing foreign based US assests is quite likely among others. By that point we should have a prettty meager military so there won't be much we can do about if if they just decide to take shit. Just halting lending is prettty much all they have to do and we're fucked because of all the people that suckle at the teet of government with pretend money.

But don't worry, carry on, nothing to see here. It'll be your kid's problem or grandkid's problem so fuck it.

I already believe we are at the point of no return with regards to paying off $18 trillion and growing of debt. That's not even taking into account the unfunded liabilities hanging out there that are projections of anywhere of $30 to $100+ trillion. The numbers are a wide swing because there are different sources and not a lot of context, but still. When the US has a net worth value of roughly $225 trillion as of 2013 from the feds z.1 documentation. Still, we have a serious problem that is worse than any existential terror threat and that is our debt. I just don't see how we are going to fight it when regardless of who is in office, government gets bigger and bigger and bigger and the same messages by candidates is the same of wanting government to get smaller and smaller. The bureaucracies are the enemy and no matter what any candidate says, they will never be able to affect real change in this regard.
 
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