The UK Will Quadruple Prison Sentences for Online Abuse

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Online trolls are not very welcomed in the UK and the government is putting some teeth into new sentencing guidelines to discourage the practice. In what used to be a six-month sentence for online abuse has now grown to a maximum of two years in prison, according to the severity of the offense.

These internet trolls are cowards who are poisoning our national life. No one would permit such venom in person, so there should be no place for it on social media.
 
Really? I mean really? Seriously.

Even the article itself mentions it's based on the response of a community who was agreeing with the release of a rapist after 2 years. So now rape = trolling? The only people 'poisoning our national life' are people that want 2 yr. sentences for text written by strangers that no one is forcing anyone to read.
 
That 2 year sentence is far too punishing for something like trolling. Trolling itself is by itself is not even clearly defined. People can be called trolls for saying a product is bad, as well as sexual harassment online. Neither of which are considered trolling in my opinion.

Trolling in its purist is just someone spewing nonsense out, which is mostly harmless. We're confusing trolling with sexual harassment and threats. Which should just be called harassment and not trolling.

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You have to realize that the UK is run by hardcore liberals, and has been for some time now. They are focused on words having immense power, and were one of the first to start the politically correct language movement. Thought policing is serious business to them, and their main agendas of late are of monitoring and disarming the public by whatever means possible (the ultimate nanny state), promoting multiculturalism at all costs (to the extent of entertaining implementing sharia law, not a joke), and the most massive state welfare system the world has seen to date (even communists would blush).

If you were to personify the state, you just have to ask yourself "what would Marry Poppins do". Marry Poppins certainly wouldn't tolerate foul language, and would wash mouths out with soap. Meanwhile, they will ignore uncomfortable truths, like the gang violence in the streets and how there are hardly any Englishman left in London (the violent crime rate in the UK is higher than any other country in Europe, and at five times the national rate for the US, just to put things in perspective).
 
According to the article, the specific "trolling" consisted of rape threats posted on Twitter against a woman. In your book does that qualify as a crime or just fooling around?
 
Seams like something that will be abused by the government to censor free speech very quickly.
 
You have to realize that the UK is run by hardcore liberals, and has been for some time now. They are focused on words having immense power, and were one of the first to start the politically correct language movement. Thought policing is serious business to them, and their main agendas of late are of monitoring and disarming the public by whatever means possible (the ultimate nanny state), promoting multiculturalism at all costs (to the extent of entertaining implementing sharia law, not a joke), and the most massive state welfare system the world has seen to date (even communists would blush).

If you were to personify the state, you just have to ask yourself "what would Marry Poppins do". Marry Poppins certainly wouldn't tolerate foul language, and would wash mouths out with soap. Meanwhile, they will ignore uncomfortable truths, like the gang violence in the streets and how there are hardly any Englishman left in London (the violent crime rate in the UK is higher than any other country in Europe, and at five times the national rate for the US, just to put things in perspective).

As a Brit I found that really funny. You should go into comedy.
 
As a Brit I found that really funny. You should go into comedy.
Liberals never think they're liberal, just like the Westboro Baptists don't think they're extremists.

BTW, not that your "psshhh whatevs chav" retort wasn't very deep, but care to break it down?

1) Violent crime in UK:
2011 FBI Violent Crime statistics: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime
2011 UK Violent Crime statistics: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_296191.pdf

There are almost exactly five times as many people in the US as in the UK – 314 million vs. 63 million. The violent crime rate in the UK is 3,100 per 100,000, and in the US it is 380 per 100,000 population. Brits are eight times more likely to be victims of violent crime than Americans.

2) Multiculturalism taken to an extreme: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rawing-documents-according-Islamic-rules.html

3) The lions share of the UK budget is spent on the NHS and various Social Services/Protection programs, accounting for nearly 60% of the budget combined, and the UK spends more on "family benefits" handouts as a percent of GDP than any other nation in Europe (even Scandanavia known for its rather extreme socialist leanings) of which Europe as a whole has a greater welfare state than most of the rest of the world, even communist countries.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-children-living-home-receiving-handouts.html
Nearly seven out of ten children now live in a home that receives at least one cash handout other than child benefit, says the hard-hitting study by the Institute for Economic Affairs.

4) Regarding monitoring and disarmament, the UK has some of the strictest laws against self-defense and disarmament matched only by dictatorships in other nations. If an invader were to break down your door, you still aren't entitled to defend yourself with a kitchen knife, and are required by law to make every attempt to flee the domicile or lock yourself in a room if possible, else face legal repercussions. The camera network in major British cities is rivaled by no other nation, with government cameras on virtually every street corner. Look it up, there is currently one CCTV camera for every 32 citizens in the UK, and no other nation has anything like this, not even North Korea.

Did I leave anything out? Prove me wrong.
 
I forgot to mention, that even police officers are disarmed, and are given whistles, pepper spray, and batons only, and are afraid of policing certain areas except when in large groups which has further emboldened criminality. As of 2012, 37% of London residents were born outside the UK and 24% are non-UK nationals. If you're math challenged, that means that British people are a majority minority in London. A large portion do not primarily speak English, and there are 50 non-indigenous communities with a population of more than 10,000 in the city. 40% of all realestate in London is now foreign owned, with the number rising to 60% for the luxury home market. Sorry, I had mentioned that in my post and failed to back it up. Soooo... I'm wrong? How again? Name two other capitals where there are less nationals than foreigners... *insert jeopardy music* ;)
 
I hereby apologize to the British people for my country's public education system. Please understand it teaches virtually nothing about global politics, as a result the word liberal in my country is usually misused to refer to things that are diametrically opposed to actual liberalism.

The whys and hows of this date back to our traitor presidents Nixon and Reagan, and their lying through their teeth for 14 years about capitalism's ability to compete with socialist Communism. If anyone remembers Nixon "opening the gates to China" and burying our gold standard in 1971. Since that time a liberal is anyone who defends any government program that differentiates our federal government from Communist China's. And I mean any program. Even food stamps. Relentless, evil attack of America's poorest while income disparities are at their greatest level since the Great Depression. Poor John Boehner has a very, very special hell reserved for him methinks.
 
I remember hearing that the UK once had a very respectable justice system. I guess those days are long gone now.
 
I forgot to mention, that even police officers are disarmed, and are given whistles, pepper spray, and batons only, and are afraid of policing certain areas except when in large groups which has further emboldened criminality. As of 2012, 37% of London residents were born outside the UK and 24% are non-UK nationals. If you're math challenged, that means that British people are a majority minority in London. A large portion do not primarily speak English, and there are 50 non-indigenous communities with a population of more than 10,000 in the city. 40% of all realestate in London is now foreign owned, with the number rising to 60% for the luxury home market. Sorry, I had mentioned that in my post and failed to back it up. Soooo... I'm wrong? How again? Name two other capitals where there are less nationals than foreigners... *insert jeopardy music* ;)

Sadly I can echo this as real truth. I have a friend who works at the MET and basically the average Bob is totally sanitized against going into areas where they know criminals have guns. You will have police forces going crazy begging for more aggressive gear and basically the government tells them to call in the SWAT. Problem with that is that SWAT is a small part of the police force and in general won't be called on unless absolutely justified and that means crime syndicate level thuggery.

The multicutural campaigns across London have left the MET in a real fix when attempting to actually police parts of the city. Lacking more community out reach programs is a big issue especially with the ever enlarging Muslim population.

Top that off with a total state monitored microcosm where censorship is basically king (no pun intended). The UK is proposing forcing anyone who wants to use the net to be registered in a national system which could roundly be abused (and will if it happens) among other aggressive policies. The whistle blower polices would make Obama blush and with envy frankly. If you speak out on anything the UK Government doesn't want you to they can carry out their own "Patriot Act" style enforcement except its handled with little media attention. Their willingness to hand over suspects to the US government without batting an eye is also extremely worrying.

If you live in the UK you should be really paranoid about what you do online frankly. As bad as the NSA is (and boy are they..) the British Government absolutely wants ..no OBSESSES over having the kind of budget the NSA does and wanting more "watchful" eyes everywhere they can be. There have been talks of expanding the monitoring system in London to span across all of the UK but the costs have been hampering that for years. Cameras and software however have caught up dramatically in recent years so its looking like that is the next logical step.

Frankly I'm terrified that those kinds of "Nanny state" Governing will be copied here in the states. I know a city in NJ just implemented a camera system like London has and harsh curfew laws and while its cut down and help prevent crime its really a system ready for abuse in the worst ways.

As far as Welfare is concerned they manage it well as they currently have a very stimulating economy. Welfare can actually be managed thanks to socialism. Its always odd that people seem so anti socialism. Like anything else when applied in moderation its actually effective. Complete and total Capitalism obviously doesn't work for the common man in the states. Corporations run and rule the US with an iron fist while our figureheads once known as politicians are banked rolled by them openly and now legally with SuperPAC's.

In terms of privacy the future is really scary. As little privacy as you actually have now its going to be totally non-existent in the near future.
 
the word liberal in my country is usually misused to refer to things that are diametrically opposed to actual liberalism.
That's o.k.. In America, the word conservative is usually misused to refer to people who are activists in destroying personal freedoms.
 
I forgot to mention, that even police officers are disarmed, and are given whistles, pepper spray, and batons only, and are afraid of policing certain areas except when in large groups which has further emboldened criminality. As of 2012, 37% of London residents were born outside the UK and 24% are non-UK nationals. If you're math challenged, that means that British people are a majority minority in London. A large portion do not primarily speak English, and there are 50 non-indigenous communities with a population of more than 10,000 in the city. 40% of all realestate in London is now foreign owned, with the number rising to 60% for the luxury home market. Sorry, I had mentioned that in my post and failed to back it up. Soooo... I'm wrong? How again? Name two other capitals where there are less nationals than foreigners... *insert jeopardy music* ;)

You're still working very hard a proving you don't look at the world through a very clear lens, I see.
 
Thought censorship.

If you want any anonymity online, you must be a pedophile. If the government doesn't like what you just said online, we just made a new law about it, and you're going to jail. If you don't sign up for FB and input all of your personal information, yup, must be a terrorist, put him on those watch lists. Patriot Act, yes, to protect us from those big bad terrorists, yup, use it on your everyday drug dealers, everyday.

This law would have little to do with trolling online and a lot to do with scaring your everyday citizen into communicating less online. Just look how many times the US government renamed the same shitty rules to try and censor the internet here and they're still trying to. Wonder when we'll see the next one or did they pass it while I was sleeping.

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I hereby apologize to the British people for my country's public education system. Please understand it teaches virtually nothing about global politics, as a result the word liberal in my country is usually misused to refer to things that are diametrically opposed to actual liberalism..
The thinking from side of the political isle your are trying to defend is responsible for that definition of the term. Having used it originally to cloak themselves as something positive. Making a positive term a negative eventually once it became clear what they represented.
 
You have to realize that the UK is run by hardcore liberals, and has been for some time now. They are focused on words having immense power, and were one of the first to start the politically correct language movement. Thought policing is serious business to them, and their main agendas of late are of monitoring and disarming the public by whatever means possible (the ultimate nanny state), promoting multiculturalism at all costs (to the extent of entertaining implementing sharia law, not a joke), and the most massive state welfare system the world has seen to date (even communists would blush).

If you were to personify the state, you just have to ask yourself "what would Marry Poppins do". Marry Poppins certainly wouldn't tolerate foul language, and would wash mouths out with soap. Meanwhile, they will ignore uncomfortable truths, like the gang violence in the streets and how there are hardly any Englishman left in London (the violent crime rate in the UK is higher than any other country in Europe, and at five times the national rate for the US, just to put things in perspective).

How can any of that be true? Here in the US we are always told to look across the Atlantic to see the shimmering beacon of hope and progress that is Western Europe, personified by the amazing UK, where gun violence is a thing of the past because the population has been disarmed. How could Piers Morgan have lied to us? He spoke with a British accent, so it must have been true! :rolleyes:
 
You can abuse/exploit/sell thousands of children in the UK because you are a Pakistani and get away with it because it could be viewed as racist but holy fuck you cannot troll people online and that deserves a harsh penalty!
 
The sad part is that the United Kingdom was not that long ago one of the most envied and respected technologically advanced superpowers on the planet, by a long shot, but its all gone downhill with the shift in leadership and ideology.

The ironic part, is that they held back a German invasion so gallantly, when all Hitler really had to do instead was send boats and boats of illegal German immigrants to the UK to set up shop. Then, once they are 30%+ of the population, and their children all voters, they could simply influence politics in the interests of the Third Reich and be integrated that way. Pacifist invasion is the trick to take over a country without a shot fired! ;)
You're still working very hard a proving you don't look at the world through a very clear lens, I see.
Please prove my statements are wrong, and help unfog that lens with the microfiber of liberalism. :D Or just stick with "nuh uhhhh" with a head wobble and finger snap if you prefer.
 
Today, the UK. Tomorrow, the US.

Simple question: do you support freedom of speech and thought, or not?
 
Oh...and fucking keep voting UKIP if you chaps want to survive. Probably the only way we'll ever get enough inspiration to get a third(and fourth) party going here.
 
You can abuse/exploit/sell thousands of children in the UK because you are a Pakistani and get away with it because it could be viewed as racist but holy fuck you cannot troll people online and that deserves a harsh penalty!

"Today a British soldier was beheaded on a public street by a Musl-THIS JUST IN, a Christian has been sighted in public offering Bibles to passers-by free of charge. The terrorist has been apprehended by police."
 
That's o.k.. In America, the word conservative is usually misused to refer to people who are activists in destroying personal freedoms.
Yup. It's been said by many people, but our two-party political cartel maintains the status quo almost entirely by making sure at least half of the people are yelling and pointing fingers at the other half. Meanwhile, dictionary definitions of the words liberal and conservative reveal the exact same political ideology expressed in two slightly different ways.

But the three fingers claimed to be two syndrome is by no means limited to politicians, e.g. even our organized religions, groups who are supposed to be champions of human and civil rights, have converted themselves into PACs to organize and pass civil legislation (and even constitutional amendments) to eliminate these rights for everyone. E.g. 68% of the money to introduce and pass Prop 8 in California was donated by the RCC and LDS, and their myriad business ventures, even though neither organization is even based in that state.
 
Today, the UK. Tomorrow, the US.
Getting pretty bad here too, slowly but surely with our own forms of thoughtpolice, and our Libertarian party isn't able to break the winner-takes-all two party system at least at highest levels. I just wish people would learn to develop a thicker skin and just say "hey I think you're an A-hole" and leave it at that.

Hell, who is to decide that my own posts in this thread aren't trolling, since they are probably very offensive to pinkos?

And for those that are wondering how far you have to go to be considered the most vile and offensive troll that deserves prison for being mean online:
#mccann To Kate and Gerry, you will be hated by millions for the rest of your miserable, evil, conniving lives, have a nice day!’
And again, just put that in perspective of all the real criminality problems they are suffering from, the "war of words" is what of course takes priority. :rolleyes:
 
I hereby apologize to the British people for my country's public education system. Please understand it teaches virtually nothing about global politics, as a result the word liberal in my country is usually misused to refer to things that are diametrically opposed to actual liberalism.

The whys and hows of this date back to our traitor presidents Nixon and Reagan, and their lying through their teeth for 14 years about capitalism's ability to compete with socialist Communism. If anyone remembers Nixon "opening the gates to China" and burying our gold standard in 1971. Since that time a liberal is anyone who defends any government program that differentiates our federal government from Communist China's. And I mean any program. Even food stamps. Relentless, evil attack of America's poorest while income disparities are at their greatest level since the Great Depression. Poor John Boehner has a very, very special hell reserved for him methinks.

Spoken like a true product of the failed public education system in the US.

I'm sure you support the current liberal administration and believe everything they say.
In spite of the fact that their policies have resulted in a record number of people on food stamps, and a disparity in incomes that is growing to record levels. Try looking at the RESULTS of policy decisions instead of what they say/lie about the intent.

While I'm not a big supporter of John Boehner, what is he supposed to do, when every bill he passes the house isn't even allowed to come to a vote in the senate due to the liberal Harry Reid? This includes many bills that many of his fellow democrats would have voted for, rather than risk losing their next election. Hopefully this will be fixed next month.
 
The sad part is that the United Kingdom was not that long ago one of the most envied and respected technologically advanced superpowers on the planet, by a long shot, but its all gone downhill with the shift in leadership and ideology.

The ironic part, is that they held back a German invasion so gallantly, when all Hitler really had to do instead was send boats and boats of illegal German immigrants to the UK to set up shop. Then, once they are 30%+ of the population, and their children all voters, they could simply influence politics in the interests of the Third Reich and be integrated that way. Pacifist invasion is the trick to take over a country without a shot fired! ;)

You're implying that immigration somehow causes crime. I'd like to see proof that's actually the case, because I don't think that's true and I can't find any evidence to support that. Furthermore, the US and the UK classify and report violent crime differently. In order to remove those differences, it's probably best to pick a category of crime that doesn't have reporting variances. Murder is a pretty good start since, you know, killing someone pretty much isn't left up to variable interpretations and the US far outpaces the UK when it comes to per capita murders.

Please prove my statements are wrong, and help unfog that lens with the microfiber of liberalism. :D Or just stick with "nuh uhhhh" with a head wobble and finger snap if you prefer.

Uh, sorry, I'm not stupid enough to follow some political party line. That kinda thing is good for people who can't think for themselves. They can just accept whatever conservative/liberal/anarchist/librarian groupthink is spooned to them from the few people taking advantage of the people that crawl onto their bandwagon.
 
You guys really should learn that the Daily Mail is not a website to quote as as reliable source. That is a hate filled racist rag that posts very very distorted articles as click bait to get the ranting loons wound up.

It would be like someone using the National Enquirer to get a view of the US!


Back to the trolling law... it is there to be used as part of harassment cases. Trying to stop people using Twitter and Facebook to abuse people. If you can't say it to someone's face, then why should you be able to say it via Twitter?

This is not the general "wind someone up" trolling that us old hands are used to. The law is after the real nasty harassment side.
 
sadly living in the UK I am used to silly laws like this.

There is far worse crimes than this with much smaller sentences over here, crazy.
 
Name one nation that adopted communist/socialist values and is going strong with a bright future ahead to boot.

Take your time.
 
Name one nation that adopted communist/socialist values and is going strong with a bright future ahead to boot.

Take your time.

China. I mean on a personal freedom level maybe not, but as a nation holding all that manufacturing power and debt from elsewhere. Stuff's good for Chairman Meow.
 
Really? I mean really? Seriously.

Even the article itself mentions it's based on the response of a community who was agreeing with the release of a rapist after 2 years. So now rape = trolling? The only people 'poisoning our national life' are people that want 2 yr. sentences for text written by strangers that no one is forcing anyone to read.

I think you misread things. The "trolling" was in response to a woman who voiced a small measure of support for the release of the rapist.
 
China. I mean on a personal freedom level maybe not, but as a nation holding all that manufacturing power and debt from elsewhere. Stuff's good for Chairman Meow.
Cmon meow, their per capita GDP $6K. That's po' as fug. And ironically, even though they are a socialist state, they spend less on welfare than the UK as a percent of their GDP. And in some cases its really low, for example if villagers move to the cities for manufacturing jobs, they lose their free public schooling and have to send their kids to private school, primarily due to a huge bureaucracy.

People don't seem to understand that with long term socialism, you end up with massive government, a huge bureaucracy so lots of people can be government employees and have a job, and total per capita GDP is reduced over time as people are less and less incentive to work harder since much of their income is redistributed regardless. The economic "boom" of China was actually caused by removing many socialist policies from their economic system, and removing public (government) ownership of businesses and allowing them to operate as competing free enterprises.
 
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