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To be honest, OUYA needs to just scrap this program if they can't fix it.

"A person whose father was willing to make a large sacrifice so his son's team could qualify for the fund and actually develop their game properly is disallowed," McDonald noted. "If we had remained silent we very likely would have received the funds, our transparency and honesty apparently was our undoing."
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Eh... it happens. I can understand it, in a way it makes more sense to fund games that many others can get behind because they think it might be good vs. someone helping their little Johnny because that picture he drew in the 3rd grade looks so good so he's gotta have talent!
 
sfsuphysics said:
Eh... it happens. I can understand it, in a way it makes more sense to fund games that many others can get behind because they think it might be good vs. someone helping their little Johnny because that picture he drew in the 3rd grade looks so good so he's gotta have talent!
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While I understand the reason it doesn't really make sense... Anyone could have given a big fat check and create the same situation... While it is "more" iffy knowing it was a parent doesn't really fix the issue.

All Ouya has to do is set a few clear qualifications... x number of backers, x number of dollars etc

The fact that supposedly Ouya is ninja banning people is a bigger concern as a someone that likes good customer service imo.
 
I dont understand why the guy who tried to play the system is attempting to come across as the victim or as someone who didnt know what was going to happen.

The moron states he knew it wasnt allowed. And I highly doubt their "transparency" and "honesty" had anything to do with it - most likely OUYA sent him a nice little letter saying "Hey, we see what you did, No." and he's trying to make himself look less like a piece of crap.

Almost guarantee the donation of 40k would have instantly been back in Daddy's bank account the second they could touch it.


Theres a difference between some donations from family and 80% of the donations being from your parent in a system that then allows you to match what donators put in, and doesnt monitor what happens to the money after the fact,
 
This guy wasn't "Transparent and Honest"! :mad:

He tried to game the system and got caught. Now he's trying to play the victim. If he had an investor such as a family member that can fund the development of the game that's the direction he should go or run a seperate (from Ouya) Kickstarter disclosing his family's involvement and making a case for greater funding.

Fucking entitled assclown.
 
Why is it his father is not seen as just an investor?
 
BBA said:
Why is it his father is not seen as just an investor?
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Because they want games people will want, and your father as being a sole/majority investor could be seeing as a bias.

10000 people donating $5 says a lot more about your product (and to the point, Ouya's potential future as a gaming device) than 1 person donating $50k (doubly so when that one person is your father)

Simply put there's no transparency with Kickstarter, yeah you might get $1 million in funds, but who's to say you need to spend all $1 million on your product and don't pocket the rest.
 
BBA said:
Why is it his father is not seen as just an investor?
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If his father really wanted to invest in his son's idea, he'd pony up the money before this type of things. Could he be innocent of the idea, that this seems like a way to get money easily? Yea, he could. Is it likely, nope. Don't bother bringing that innocent til guilty in here, it'll be easy to see if the Dad really wanted to back his son. Disqualify him, and see if the Dad still backs him up.
 
Serpent said:
If his father really wanted to invest in his son's idea, he'd pony up the money before this type of things. Could he be innocent of the idea, that this seems like a way to get money easily? Yea, he could. Is it likely, nope. Don't bother bringing that innocent til guilty in here, it'll be easy to see if the Dad really wanted to back his son. Disqualify him, and see if the Dad still backs him up.
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Ya its free money. Dad ponys up 50-100k knowing that hes gonna get all that back when the match comes.
 
BBA said:
Why is it his father is not seen as just an investor?
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Because, whatever money the father put up he would have returned to him via the son's kick-starter fund, - 20%. Since, OUYA was matching the total funds, his father would have almost doubled his funds, meaning he'd have seen an almost 80% return on his money with no risk involved. Far from being an altruistic move, this was guaranteed profit for poppa. Whether any of it would have financed a game is anybody's guess.

1) Father puts up $10,000 (hypothetically)
2) Kickstarter sends him $8,000 ($10,000-$2,000) of his own money back to him
3) OUYA sends him a check for $10,000 (matching the initial amount supposedly raised)
4) Dad's profit is $8,000, net, furnished 100% by OUYA

If the Father had been a total stranger to the son then everything would have been fine, because "the Father's" investment would have gone to a person through whom he could not gain access to the funds, etc. In this case, you can bet your sweet bippy just as soon as the money rolled in, son would be handing it back to Dad, who would then dole it out to son for the game--or not. In this case, it looks like a clear-cut scam cooked up between son & Daddy. IE, if Dad had really wanted to invest in son--he had no need to go through Kickstarter at all. Dad just wanted the OUYA money.
 
BBA said:
Why is it his father is not seen as just an investor?
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Because with a single investor that well known to the developer, the likelyhood was the money would go back to daddy once OUYA gave their share.

More importantly the funds weren't raised on the merits of the game which OUYA is counting on that if the game can come part way on its own, they'd help it the rest of the way.
 
WaltC said:
Because, whatever money the father put up he would have returned to him via the son's kick-starter fund, - 20%. Since, OUYA was matching the total funds, his father would have almost doubled his funds, meaning he'd have seen an almost 80% return on his money with no risk involved. Far from being an altruistic move, this was guaranteed profit for poppa. Whether any of it would have financed a game is anybody's guess.

1) Father puts up $10,000 (hypothetically)
2) Kickstarter sends him $8,000 ($10,000-$2,000) of his own money back to him
3) OUYA sends him a check for $10,000 (matching the initial amount supposedly raised)
4) Dad's profit is $8,000, net, furnished 100% by OUYA

If the Father had been a total stranger to the son then everything would have been fine, because "the Father's" investment would have gone to a person through whom he could not gain access to the funds, etc. In this case, you can bet your sweet bippy just as soon as the money rolled in, son would be handing it back to Dad, who would then dole it out to son for the game--or not. In this case, it looks like a clear-cut scam cooked up between son & Daddy. IE, if Dad had really wanted to invest in son--he had no need to go through Kickstarter at all. Dad just wanted the OUYA money.
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Didn't understand what the fuss was about until this. Incredibly concise. Thank you!

Clearly the dad was trying to scam. As mentioned, invest in the kid yourself if you a) have that much money doing nothing, and b) think he's that special.

Honestly, anyone who can afford that much coin on a whim likely knows how to game a system to have that kind of money in the first place, which is exactly what this was.
 
pbassjunk said:
Didn't understand what the fuss was about until this. Incredibly concise. Thank you!

Clearly the dad was trying to scam. As mentioned, invest in the kid yourself if you a) have that much money doing nothing, and b) think he's that special.

Honestly, anyone who can afford that much coin on a whim likely knows how to game a system to have that kind of money in the first place, which is exactly what this was.
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If even, with a guaranteed return like that Dad may have just as easily remortgaged the house or dipped into his retirement fund expecting that any losses incurred from fees and penalties would be mitigated by the money from Ouya.

Ouya without a doubt did the right thing here not only for protecting themselves but to protect future people involved from killing themselves in an attempt to make a quick buck.
 
WaltC said:
Because, whatever money the father put up he would have returned to him via the son's kick-starter fund, - 20%. Since, OUYA was matching the total funds, his father would have almost doubled his funds, meaning he'd have seen an almost 80% return on his money with no risk involved. Far from being an altruistic move, this was guaranteed profit for poppa. Whether any of it would have financed a game is anybody's guess.

1) Father puts up $10,000 (hypothetically)
2) Kickstarter sends him $8,000 ($10,000-$2,000) of his own money back to him
3) OUYA sends him a check for $10,000 (matching the initial amount supposedly raised)
4) Dad's profit is $8,000, net, furnished 100% by OUYA

If the Father had been a total stranger to the son then everything would have been fine, because "the Father's" investment would have gone to a person through whom he could not gain access to the funds, etc. In this case, you can bet your sweet bippy just as soon as the money rolled in, son would be handing it back to Dad, who would then dole it out to son for the game--or not. In this case, it looks like a clear-cut scam cooked up between son & Daddy. IE, if Dad had really wanted to invest in son--he had no need to go through Kickstarter at all. Dad just wanted the OUYA money.
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pretty much, However the son wouldn't get all the money up front, but I think soembody said you get 25% up front from OUYA, another 50% later on and then 25% once the finished.

But yeah, the people raising money get money from people they know, take out money against credit cards or loans to "raise" what they know they will need to make the game or more. Then are able to pay everything back from what the raised and make the game purely off the dime of OUYA with possible extra money to pay extra back as you said.
 
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