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There is an editorial posted today at the New York Times called "Making Room For Women In Gaming" that I am sure more than a few of you will want to comment on.
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Making Room For Women In Gaming
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caddys83
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Just wait untill she sit next to a smelly long hair un-shave basement mofo 
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Just wait untill she sit next to a smelly long hair un-shave basement mofo
When I play games, I don't have to sit next to such a person. Why would women have to? Is that how you play games? You might have a problem.
My wife and I play games together all the time, and when there's hyper sexualized women, she requests they have some hyper sexualized men to balance it out. The conversations about it get pretty funny, like equating a "nipple slip" to a guy's testicle hanging out of a g-string, lol.
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No but I did set next to one in a Lan party i went to
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Just wait untill she sit next to a smelly long hair un-shave basement mofo
Bad hygiene != Gamer/good gamer. Bad hygiene just means some dirty ass wouldn't care about oneself for any reason at all.
Women: "I demand equality... but only the type of equality I like."
That pretty much sums it up. If women are hyper-sexualized, then men are hyper-machoized since they are almost always very tall, super lean, with about a hundred pounds of muscle on them.
And guess what, its fantasy crap that caters toward the market. Its not a chicken and egg thing, the market is dominated by male players and so the games should cater to that market. To do otherwise is retarded.
And yes, players often say mean things to each other, this is nothing new. If something unacceptable is said, then its just unacceptable. Report it just like everyone else. Don't cry and feel special, because guys deal with the same thing whether its over the line racism or even holocaust jokes to a jewish person.
You are NOT special and you do NOT deserve special treatment. Man up women.... wait, uuhhh...
That pretty much sums it up. If women are hyper-sexualized, then men are hyper-machoized since they are almost always very tall, super lean, with about a hundred pounds of muscle on them.
And guess what, its fantasy crap that caters toward the market. Its not a chicken and egg thing, the market is dominated by male players and so the games should cater to that market. To do otherwise is retarded.
And yes, players often say mean things to each other, this is nothing new. If something unacceptable is said, then its just unacceptable. Report it just like everyone else. Don't cry and feel special, because guys deal with the same thing whether its over the line racism or even holocaust jokes to a jewish person.
You are NOT special and you do NOT deserve special treatment. Man up women.... wait, uuhhh...
This isn't about women who game as much as a vehicle for side comments about how women are depicted in gaming.
To justify so called premise of the article, falsely pumping up the presence of women in gaming by combining phone/tablet games with console and PC games.
Although some of the things to happened to the people in article are unfortunate and maybe even prosecution worthy (if they happened), I still don't welcome the thought police.
To justify so called premise of the article, falsely pumping up the presence of women in gaming by combining phone/tablet games with console and PC games.
Although some of the things to happened to the people in article are unfortunate and maybe even prosecution worthy (if they happened), I still don't welcome the thought police.
Women: "I demand equality... but only the type of equality I like."
That pretty much sums it up. If women are hyper-sexualized, then men are hyper-machoized since they are almost always very tall, super lean, with about a hundred pounds of muscle on them.
And guess what, its fantasy crap that caters toward the market. Its not a chicken and egg thing, the market is dominated by male players and so the games should cater to that market. To do otherwise is retarded.
And yes, players often say mean things to each other, this is nothing new. If something unacceptable is said, then its just unacceptable. Report it just like everyone else. Don't cry and feel special, because guys deal with the same thing whether its over the line racism or even holocaust jokes to a jewish person.
You are NOT special and you do NOT deserve special treatment. Man up women.... wait, uuhhh...
1. How many female protagonist can you name who aren't meant to be sexy or a satire of the sexy (fat princess)?
2. Do you honestly think Marcus from Gears of War is the epitome of sexiness in men? Really? Is that what you think women want, or men want to be like?
3. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
4. Nope.
I must link this article to my gaming gal, she'll love it. She can kick ass in a MMO just as much as I can. And no I don't let her purposely beat me, she's too good a multi-tasker and is better at thinking 5 steps ahead of me. That or she's just plain better. There, I said it LOL!
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The article states it's 47% to 53% women vs. men as gamers. Unless we're including all gaming (angry birds, Freecell, flash games and the like) I have a hard time believing this. The author starts to talk about this, but then takes a left turn and never really finishes. For what most people here would consider "true" PC gaming I'd guess the ratio would be more like 10% to 90%. Of course I have no real data to back this up, it's just a guess. Don't get me wrong, the more women who play the merrier, but I just don't see it. There are "people who play games" and then there are "gamers", very different IMO.
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1. How many female protagonist can you name who aren't meant to be sexy or a satire of the sexy (fat princess)?
At least according to GlaDOS she's fat. Also World of Warcraft has its share of female hero's.
Female Pandarian is pretty fat.
It's the same thing with women. Ever seen a runway supermodel? This is what women think men what.
And what guys think girls want.
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1. How many female protagonist can you name who aren't meant to be sexy or a satire of the sexy (fat princess)?
At least according to GlaDOS she's fat. Also World of Warcraft has its share of female hero's.
Female Pandarian is pretty fat.
It's the same thing with women. Ever seen a runway supermodel? This is what women think men what.
And what guys think girls want.
MMO's allow you to create your own characters, so that's a limited example. Although the fact that female armor in MMOs often have more bare skin than a male wearing the same set of armor, so that kind of negates that.
There are guys that find incredibly thin runway models to be attractive, apparently. Although the clothing designers choose those women because they're basically living coathangers.
Did your post get cut off? You mentioned GlaDOS but it seemed like you were talking about something else.
And let's compare protagonists. Can anyone offer a comparitive female protagonist to someone like Max Payne in how he appears in Max Payne 3 (fat, not intended to be attractive, nor repulsive, just "hard boiled" and not really a satire).
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If it makes them feel any better, ALL gamers regardless of gender get threatened with rape when playing online. I think they call it "par for the course"
Part of the problem is the GIFT (Greater Internet F-ckwad Theory)--some people are exceptionally nasty online and express themselves in ways that resonate very negatively with females. That is, what passes for normal trash-talk among males, e.g. "Imma rape you with this BFG9000 and shove it up your ass," isn't received the same way by female gamers.
On one hand, it's the culture of gaming (trash-talk in particular), but that also means gamers (rightly or wrongly) get a reputation. I hate to say it, but as seems frustratingly common these days, both sides have a point yet the battles are done at the extremes.
On one hand, it's the culture of gaming (trash-talk in particular), but that also means gamers (rightly or wrongly) get a reputation. I hate to say it, but as seems frustratingly common these days, both sides have a point yet the battles are done at the extremes.
Absolutely nothing of what you said made sense or actually responded to something I said. Please reread the post and reset the game.
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I've never met a female gamer that had a problem with how the industry works. It's usually white knight pro- feminist males.
Yes it is absolutely obsurd. Playing Angry Birds on your iPhone or Dr Mario on your Nintendo Wii at home does not make you a gamer. The last massively organized LAN party I went to had about a hundred attendees, and the demographic is middle aged guys, that's it, not a single female gamer there. And I can't remember the last time I heard a female voice on team chat for any of my dozens of games.
The market automatically caters to its player base, and this is common sense. If over half of players were women, we would without question see most games catering to that without exception.
LIES!
Terrible article, sorry but all the girls playing crap like farmville and iphone games only aren't gamers. To include them in this demographic is disingenuous and misleading.
Female gamers have been treated equally since the beginning. They get trash talked and treated like Every single other gamer. The problem is some of the new ones who don't seem to understand how online gaming works and get their feelings hurt because they aren't being treated like a "delicate flower" for the first time. The real female gamers like my wife are naturally the ones who never get spoke too for crap like this, because they fit in just fine and know what it is all about.
Female gamers have been treated equally since the beginning. They get trash talked and treated like Every single other gamer. The problem is some of the new ones who don't seem to understand how online gaming works and get their feelings hurt because they aren't being treated like a "delicate flower" for the first time. The real female gamers like my wife are naturally the ones who never get spoke too for crap like this, because they fit in just fine and know what it is all about.
The direction of culture is against common sense on this one. As teenagers grow up, they will continue to be brainwashed with this garbage and end up believing it as fact.
Because there is no counter movement after all. Even if there was, it would get shouted down and slimed as sexist/biggoted/racist/.etc and the spineless majority would never take it seriously.
We should prepare to enjoy our dystopian future where games are targeted at tiny minorities of people who have no true buying power; it's already happening to an extent.
Because there is no counter movement after all. Even if there was, it would get shouted down and slimed as sexist/biggoted/racist/.etc and the spineless majority would never take it seriously.
We should prepare to enjoy our dystopian future where games are targeted at tiny minorities of people who have no true buying power; it's already happening to an extent.
For better or for worse, the pussification of societies has been ongoing for centuries though. At one point, prisoner's used to battle to the death or get eaten by lions as a form of popular entertainment, but now the police show up if you spank your kid on the butt for throwing a tantrum in public.
I am thoroughly convinced that the future will be eerily similar to that portrayed in Demolition Man.
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Somewhat unorganized thoughts:
In college all the guys in the dorms would play Halo with each other networked (i played with them but also had my PC there for "real" FPS's and an unhealthy wow addiction too). We invited the girls in the dorm to play, but none of them were interested. The reaction was always "how do you guys waste all of your time playing those stupid games?"
There were several female members of my wow guild. One of them used her femininity to influence an officer and get loot with DKP she didn't actually have. Two others were fine for the most part, but ALWAYS copped an attitude when you tried to shit-talk them. (which of course the rest of the guys had no problem passing back and forth). So my opinion of girls in MMO's isn't the best, from my experience.
Someone who plays angry birds for 30min every couple days isn't a gamer to me, but is included in all these "half of gamers are females" statistics. A male created and male dominated market caters to males. This shouldn't be a surprise, and yet there are stories ran about it day and night. We should start complaining about pornography being centered around men too, right?
About Anita, she WANTED the negative press, fed upon it, and used it as a selling point for her brand. She is a media and pysch graduate who (in my opinion) isn't looking to change the world but instead make money being a brandname. Her master's thesis, her blog, her KS, her website; they all hinge on this "critic of videogaming". Yet where is her professional experience in the industry? None. Her KS campaign centered around funding her to buy games and then make videos about them. AND she's behind schedule on those videos btw, with no little part from her globe-trotting to further push her brand at various feminist summits / news interviews. I think she's a complete sham and hopefully the world will see that in the coming months when her huge stack of donated dollars turns into a mediocre video series (at best).
As far as articles like this one, where they say that gamers are going to have to "play nice" and "deal with the change", I out-rightly say, "Go fuck yourself", as this the push they are claiming needs to happen isn't a "feminist" issue, it's a censorship issue. You stop the industry from making certain images of women, players from saying/typing certain things, you're just pushing censorship, not actually doing good in the world.
If women online were interested in "just being equal as gamers", they wouldn't make it apparent they are in fact, women. 9 out of 10 times, (again, in my experience) it goes along the process of: 1. girl makes it apparent she's a girl, either wants special treatment or thinks she's special for being one. 2. A few guys insult her, a few guys try to "white knight", she gets mad 3. She gets absolutely destroyed in the game (because she's bad at it) 4. Girl gets insulted more for being exactly what the first few guys said she probably was 5. Girl hits report button and cries about losing then logs off. Everyone left has a laugh about it then continues on with the session.
I of course there is this important statement:
In college all the guys in the dorms would play Halo with each other networked (i played with them but also had my PC there for "real" FPS's and an unhealthy wow addiction too). We invited the girls in the dorm to play, but none of them were interested. The reaction was always "how do you guys waste all of your time playing those stupid games?"
There were several female members of my wow guild. One of them used her femininity to influence an officer and get loot with DKP she didn't actually have. Two others were fine for the most part, but ALWAYS copped an attitude when you tried to shit-talk them. (which of course the rest of the guys had no problem passing back and forth). So my opinion of girls in MMO's isn't the best, from my experience.
Someone who plays angry birds for 30min every couple days isn't a gamer to me, but is included in all these "half of gamers are females" statistics. A male created and male dominated market caters to males. This shouldn't be a surprise, and yet there are stories ran about it day and night. We should start complaining about pornography being centered around men too, right?
About Anita, she WANTED the negative press, fed upon it, and used it as a selling point for her brand. She is a media and pysch graduate who (in my opinion) isn't looking to change the world but instead make money being a brandname. Her master's thesis, her blog, her KS, her website; they all hinge on this "critic of videogaming". Yet where is her professional experience in the industry? None. Her KS campaign centered around funding her to buy games and then make videos about them. AND she's behind schedule on those videos btw, with no little part from her globe-trotting to further push her brand at various feminist summits / news interviews. I think she's a complete sham and hopefully the world will see that in the coming months when her huge stack of donated dollars turns into a mediocre video series (at best).
As far as articles like this one, where they say that gamers are going to have to "play nice" and "deal with the change", I out-rightly say, "Go fuck yourself", as this the push they are claiming needs to happen isn't a "feminist" issue, it's a censorship issue. You stop the industry from making certain images of women, players from saying/typing certain things, you're just pushing censorship, not actually doing good in the world.
If women online were interested in "just being equal as gamers", they wouldn't make it apparent they are in fact, women. 9 out of 10 times, (again, in my experience) it goes along the process of: 1. girl makes it apparent she's a girl, either wants special treatment or thinks she's special for being one. 2. A few guys insult her, a few guys try to "white knight", she gets mad 3. She gets absolutely destroyed in the game (because she's bad at it) 4. Girl gets insulted more for being exactly what the first few guys said she probably was 5. Girl hits report button and cries about losing then logs off. Everyone left has a laugh about it then continues on with the session.
I of course there is this important statement:
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The nearest I can find is Alex Vance from Half Life 2. She's not attractive and pretty hard boiled. She's just not a playable character though.
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She's pretty hot to me...but I don't exactly see a problem with "attractive" characters, movies and TV do the exact same thing for both genders.
Huh, wha? Must be gay.
There are also not very many geriatric protagonists in video games, someone call the age police. Personally I want to play as a baby in the next FPS I'm in. With missing arms.
This probably has nothing to do with the majority of applicants to be soldiers, cops or other dangerous jobs are male?
This probably has nothing to do with the majority of applicants to be soldiers, cops or other dangerous jobs are male?
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I'll use the KB/ Mouse, she can use my joystick.
Seriously though, the more girls game, the more games will adjust to accommodate a more diverse player base. Money talks. Any anti-female sentiment is usually from immaturity or pre-pubescent issues.
Seriously though, the more girls game, the more games will adjust to accommodate a more diverse player base. Money talks. Any anti-female sentiment is usually from immaturity or pre-pubescent issues.
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This mirrors my experience too. A girl I knew among my friends who played WoW, at some point, complained about strangers harassing her for being a girl (I don't think they were insulting her, but just wouldn't stop bothering her). This just had me thinking "how did they find out?" Because simply playing a female character and typing like a girl usually doesn't set off those triggers. It's as if she intentionally wanted to make herself known to leverage what she could and complained when it backfired.
1. How many female protagonist can you name who aren't meant to be sexy or a satire of the sexy (fat princess)?
At least according to GlaDOS she's fat. Also World of Warcraft has its share of female hero's.
Female Pandarian is pretty fat.
It's the same thing with women. Ever seen a runway supermodel? This is what women think men what.
And what guys think girls want.
There are any number of human denigrates of the male persuasion that are fapping, right now, to those two images as I speak. Rule 36 people.
Okay, now I just lost a little bit of Glenlivet scotch through my nose on that one. Damn you!!!
Huh, wha? Must be gay.
Time for the gender blender!!!
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The nearest I can find is Alex Vance from Half Life 2. She's not attractive and pretty hard boiled. She's just not a playable character though.
I think you messed up your quoting there.
I haven't played WoW in a long time, but I still remember there being a lot of bare midriff armor sets and (of all things) bare elbows in the female armor sets that weren't present in the male versions, and I'm talking about recognizable armor sets like the one you get for the Death Knight when you finish the startup quests. It's (or was) "sexist" in that it's different for either gender in a way that makes 1 more practical looking than the other, although for the life of me I can't understand why they made it so. I don't know of too many people that think bare woman elbows are sexy. It's just weirdly different. It's not sexist to give the option of looking "sexy" to anyone, but it's when general armor sets always makes one gender look 'sexy' and look 'practical' for the other gender that questions get raised.
Didn't FFXI have a similar problem? I remember someone complaining that all pants they found for their female character always looked like g-strings.
And that's a fair comparison, I guess. Although to be fair, Alex is a very well put together character in a very well put together game. In fact, Alex should be a standard people should apply to other characters.
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I'll use the KB/ Mouse, she can use my joystick.
Seriously though, the more girls game, the more games will adjust to accommodate a more diverse player base. Money talks. Any anti-female sentiment is usually from immaturity or pre-pubescent issues.
It has been adjusting, but slower than it should. My wife has been playing video games since the late 80's early 90's (actually a PC gamer) and has had groups of female friends in college that have been playing for about as long. No, they might not be the majority, but hell, they've been playing games for a lot longer than most frat boys that play Halo have.
And what is your point? It is fantasy armor in a fantasy game. Ever gone shopping for fashionable women's motorcycle gear? Women by and large are willing to sacrifice functionality for a feminine design, even on something as crucial as real world protection.
So yes, the feminine fantasy armor was made to look more feminiine. Oh noes!
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heeheehee basement nerds talking about WoW..
Anyway I dont think she play alot of video games but Esther is one hawt Asian momma
Anyway I dont think she play alot of video games but Esther is one hawt Asian momma