Judge: MegaUpload Piracy Case May Never Come to Trial

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A District Court judge has told the FBI that it is possible that the trial against MegaUpload may never make it inside a court room. This would be due to the negligence of the government’s handling of paperwork and the small fact that MegaUpload is located in New Zealand. FBI: Learn to dot your i’s and cross your t’s. ;)

The government could still file a civil case against MegaUpload, and people in the company like Kim Dotcom could also still be individually charged.
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MajorDomo said:
A District Court judge has told the FBI that it is possible that the trial against MegaUpload may never make it inside a court room. This would be due to the negligence of the government’s handling of paperwork and the small fact that MegaUpload is located in New Zealand. FBI: Learn to dot your i’s and cross your t’s. ;)
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But...but...America is the World Police! We have to keep everyone online safe from piracy or else the terrorists and child pornographers win.
 
I think the best solution would be to release megauloads stuff and drop all charges, then arrest that dotcom guy and send him to some island where theres no internet or cameras or recording facilities. Everybody wins! :D
 
DeathPrincess said:
I think the best solution would be to release megauloads stuff and drop all charges, then arrest that dotcom guy and send him to some island where theres no internet or cameras or recording facilities. Everybody wins! :D
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Or... or... we could round up all those RIAA/MPAA scumbags, put them on a plane and then drop them inside an active volcano.
 
I don't think the US government cares at this point.

Site was taken offline. Assets were seized / lost / destroyed.

The U.S. government did what they wanted. Damage has been done.

The government will not be held accountable for screwing everything up.
 
think the dot com person will use all his.might to get large amount of money out if the usa and there own government for allowing all this to happen with no way to defend him self
 
krogen said:
I don't think the US government cares at this point.

Site was taken offline. Assets were seized / lost / destroyed.

The U.S. government did what they wanted. Damage has been done.

The government will not be held accountable for screwing everything up.
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Looks like this would be the case. That's why Dotcom's even more furious.
 
I wouldn't call it a fuck up. It's more of it's almost exactly what they wanted... of course they wanted more, but this is probably "enough" for now.

Which makes it worst, by the way, that they wanted to do this sort of shit.
 
Serpent said:
I wouldn't call it a fuck up. It's more of it's almost exactly what they wanted... of course they wanted more, but this is probably "enough" for now.

Which makes it worst, by the way, that they wanted to do this sort of shit.
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Our government has become exceedingly good at working around the law instead of within it. I give us another century, tops. Sit back, snack on some popcorn, and watch the most documented fall of an Empire in human history.

They will be writing textbooks about the collapse of the United States, and this case might even make a footnote.
 
krogen said:
I don't think the US government cares at this point.

Site was taken offline. Assets were seized / lost / destroyed.

The U.S. government did what they wanted. Damage has been done.

The government will not be held accountable for screwing everything up.
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Pretty much this.....
 
Naieve said:
Our government has become exceedingly good at working around the law instead of within it. I give us another century, tops. Sit back, snack on some popcorn, and watch the most documented fall of an Empire in human history.

They will be writing textbooks about the collapse of the United States, and this case might even make a footnote.
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...Or, they will be writing text books about the civil war that rescued the US from collapse, returning us to a non-intrusive government like that was designed before the liberal socialists got involved.
 
don't understand all the hate. Everyone knows megaupload was a large source for illegal files and pirated materials etc.
maybe a few legit people got caught in the crossfire but I'm pretty sure most people (and dot.com himself) knew there were many, many, many uploads of pirated materials.
 
BBA said:
...Or, they will be writing text books about the civil war that rescued the US from collapse, returning us to a non-intrusive government like that was designed before the liberal socialists got involved.
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I would really like to see the people rise up against the Gov and corps, sadly I doubt we will see that happen.
 
BBA said:
...Or, they will be writing text books about the civil war that rescued the US from collapse, returning us to a non-intrusive government like that was designed before the liberal socialists got involved.
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liberal, socialist, comunist, conservatives..... is there really much difference these days beyond their particular spin that they like to put on what flows out the sewers they call mouths?
 
Mission successful for the RIAA/MPAA... most file sharing websites now only allow you to download files you actually uploaded, and the RIAA/MPAA feel like they run the interweb.
 
..and also that they can snap their fingers and law enforcement agencies of two differenmt countries will jump to attention.
 
Oh look, USA government pushing around other world governments, but when the case actually reaches trial, its all fluff and all USA did was force them to harass a innocent man

Its the pirate bay all over again, they didn't have any legal means to do that either, USA just threatened to cut off that countries -ENTIRE FREE TRADE- if they didn't agree to USA's demands

Rounding up the RIAA and MPAA and dropping them into a volcano isn't severe enough
 
03grandam said:
He might be many things but innocent isn't one of them. Thanks for the laugh though :).
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Apparently "guilty until proven innocent" has become the latest popular jingle.

It doesn't matter what a judge may or may not rule at some point against a person, due process is important. We're not some third world dictatorship where people get dragged to prisons at the slightest whims of the gov, at least in theory.
 
BBA said:
...Or, they will be writing text books about the civil war that rescued the US from collapse, returning us to a non-intrusive government like that was designed before the liberal socialists got involved.
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I don't think you noticed, but the "conservatives" were leading the charge on destroying our civil liberties, and instituted a massive expansion of the Federal mandate after having been elected on a platform of small government. I don't care which party politics you support, you are just getting the same product with different packaging. Our political spectrum is so polarized that I can guarantee that any Civil War will cause more problems than it solves. It would take an awakening of the American public to change the country for the better, and quite honestly, there are too many idiots in this country for that to be successful.

"don't understand all the hate. Everyone knows megaupload was a large source for illegal files and pirated materials etc.
maybe a few legit people got caught in the crossfire but I'm pretty sure most people (and dot.com himself) knew there were many, many, many uploads of pirated materials."

This has nothing to do with their guilt, it has to do with the rule of law. Just like Awlaki being assassinated. He was a traitorous bastard, but he still deserved his Constitutional right to a fair trial.

If the Government is not going to act within the confines of the law, then why should I? Why should the other 350 million Americans? Leadership by example. They started an Unconstitutional War on Drugs, funny how Alcohol Prohibition needed an Amendment to the Constitution, and now we have the largest prison population on Earth. They turned the NSA in on the American Public, and now NSA whistleblowers are screaming the fact that we no longer have a right to privacy. They assassinate a US citizen without trial, and people sit there supporting it because they don't like the guy. Well guess what. The precedent has now been set. Whenever anyone gets close to effecting actual change upon our country, don't be surprised if they are classified as an enemy combatant by our government and have a sudden heart attack.
 
Wierdo said:
Apparently "guilty until proven innocent" has become the latest popular jingle.

It doesn't matter what a judge may or may not rule at some point against a person, due process is important. We're not some third world dictatorship where people get dragged to prisons at the slightest whims of the gov, at least in theory.
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Pretty sure you know what I meant ;).

I guess you have never seen how over crowded our jails/prisons are then, and they all claim to be innocent too, even the convicted ones, lol.
 
krogen said:
Site was taken offline. Assets were seized / lost / destroyed.
The U.S. government did what they wanted. Damage has been done.
The government will not be held accountable for screwing everything up.
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I think you miss a small problem - if assets were seized/lost/destroyed and there won't be a trial, then US has to return all of that, plus pay damages, "lost sales" etc etc.

And considering the servers were never deleted, Megaupload can restart the whole business easily. In short, US will have to pay for lost sales and damages, NZ will have to pay for detaining Kim Dotcom without a cause,...
 
faugusztin said:
I think you miss a small problem - if assets were seized/lost/destroyed and there won't be a trial, then US has to return all of that, plus pay damages, "lost sales" etc etc.

And considering the servers were never deleted, Megaupload can restart the whole business easily. In short, US will have to pay for lost sales and damages, NZ will have to pay for detaining Kim Dotcom without a cause,...
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Maybe in a decade after it is dragged as slowly as possible through the courts. That's if the Government doesn't find a Judge willing to abuse the law and find a bullshit loophole to deny repaying them.

Not sure if you noticed, but our Judicial System has become a joke.
 
03grandam said:
He might be many things but innocent isn't one of them. Thanks for the laugh though :).
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Reminds me of the pirate bay trial

They demanded they were guilty, when they did nothing wrong. Posting torrent links isn't a crime, and its not even -THEM- posting them, they just have a automated system that allows people to share links. The RIAA and MPAA argued that hosting links, even if you didn't know what was on it, was illegal simply because it was on your network, which is like rationalizing that AT&T should be held accountable because a terrorist used their phone network to make ransom demands.

The RIAA and MPAA then said they were "Guilty" because they were simply called "The Pirate Bay. So TPB's lawyer argued "Wait, so what are you going to pick here, are they guilty of having links, or guilty not because they used links but simply because they were called the pirate bay?"

The RIAA/MPAA argued that since they were called it, they were guilty by design, even if they didn't do a thing that was illegal, and they admitted that -LINKS ARE NOT ILLEGAL AND TORRENTS ARE NOT ILLEGAL FOR A SITE TO HOST-, its just that it was called "The Pirate Bay" and thus, guilty by design. This was a complete 180 from what they just said twenty minutes ago, where having links should be enough to associate you with the crime, but NOW it wasn't illegal, and it was just TPB's name

So the lawyer for TPB in his infinite wisdom, drummed up this nugget "So you are saying that Links are not illegal" "Yes" So if TPB was instead called "The fluffy bunny file sharing network" you wouldn't have a problem with it?

All the RIAA/MPAA could do was flabergast and say "Its not that easy" despite double talking everything just prior.

And -THAT- is why Megaupload did nothing the fuck wrong. While they may host files, they are -NOT- responsible for what is on their network because they themselves didn't upload them, OTHER people did. AND Megaupload is one step up from TPB and actually has a working DMCA system in place that content providers can use to tell Megaupload to take down a file if it violated copyrights.

BUT NOPE, NOT ENOUGH, GOTTA SKIN KIM DOTCOM AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF HIM!! GOTTA THREATEN NEW ZEALAND WITH CUTTING OFF ALL FREE TRADE WITH THEM UNLESS THEY UNLAWFULLY HARASS THEIR CITIZENS TO BOW TO THE MPAA/RIAA'S CORRUPT GOVERNMENT BRANCH

Even better is the the judge has been saying the US government didn't have a case against Megaupload -IN THE FIRST WEEK- he was given the case, and -NOW- the government is trying to get him removed and bring in another judge that will "Play ball" with what the RIAA and MPAA wants. Oh yeah, and in retaliation for him siding with actual laws in this case, his house has been firebombed by "Unknown assailants"
 
ninjaturtle said:
I would really like to see the people rise up against the Gov and corps, sadly I doubt we will see that happen.
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I'd really just like to see a civil war in general. The country should split IMO. I'm sick of these right wing religious pricks trying to shove their Christian values down my throat. Personally, I'd pick up my rifle and kill some of those fuckers if it meant we'd part ways entirely.

There's nothing I despise more than a religious assh*** that want's to push their views down on me. In my mind those people are roughly equivalent to Hitler and Stalin. I know that might sound harsh considering their mass murders & genocide, but really, forcing an entire population to be subject to your religious values isn't that far off. Sure you aren't taking their lives, but you're taking their freedom while they are alive, which is arguably worse. Oppression ranks very high on my hate list.
 
03grandam said:
Pretty sure you know what I meant ;).

I guess you have never seen how over crowded our jails/prisons are then, and they all claim to be innocent too, even the convicted ones, lol.
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except those (or most of them anyway) have been proven guilty.
 
Serpent said:
except those (or most of them anyway) have been proven guilty.
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I know, but it seems like my comment about not being "innocent" is taken the wrong way. Guess I have to explain a bit further.

While he may not be found "guilty" by the law, we all know that MU was the place to go to get a "file" we needed and get it fast. While he may get to walk in the eyes of the law, we all know that he more than likely knew his service was hosting illegal material, hell we all know it was. That's what I was referring to at him not being "innocent".

Hell I'm all for people walking if the government can't get their case right, cross the T's and dot the I's. But that don't mean that they haven't done wrong. it's just that they get to get away with it cause someone else fucked up.

I'm also all for the U.S. government staying out of other countries shit, but wasn't MU running servers in Jersey also?
 
I'm sure MU was running in a lot of states.

The thing is.... there are A LOT of legitimate uses for MU and it was used for legit reasons. A great deal more than I even suspected even.

I'm not going to say I'm sure he knew though I suspect he does, but if it really was a open and shut case, it should've been. However, the government chose to bend over backwards for the RIAA/MPAA (probably money was involved in switching hands) and did things way out of it's bounds. I'm much more concerned about the government being so corrupt, than MU.
 
BBA said:
...Or, they will be writing text books about the civil war that rescued the US from collapse, returning us to a non-intrusive government like that was designed before the liberal socialists got involved.
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Liberalism and Socialism are two completely different things, friend.

There is not, and has not ever been a prominent socialist party or leader in the united states, despite what you may believe about our current POTUS.
 
BBA said:
...Or, they will be writing text books about the civil war that rescued the US from collapse, returning us to a non-intrusive government like that was designed before the liberal socialists got involved.
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"First they came for..." The irony is, this starts with "first they came for the socialists" and the socialists will be the ones taking people away. France is already about to elect a socialist party president.

Quiet erosion of the state. By the time people realize what has happened, there won't be enough people left to do anything.
 
03grandam said:
While he may not be found "guilty" by the law, we all know that MU was the place to go to get a "file" we needed and get it fast. While he may get to walk in the eyes of the law, we all know that he more than likely knew his service was hosting illegal material, hell we all know it was. That's what I was referring to at him not being "innocent".
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YouTube also has a bunch of copyrighted material. Should their site be shut down as well? Whenever you introduce user-generated content and become a large site, you will attract individuals that want to use your site to host copyrighted material. That's the nature of the beast.

At the same time, I've been on several sites that had perfectly legal material hosted on MU that is now inaccessible. The most recent of which is a script that would allow me to edit the "clean" and "explicit" tags in iTunes. Thanks to the US government's heavy handedness, that's a tool that's lost.

If MU was supposed to monitor each and every upload for illegal content, why didn't the US gov use the same tools they expected MU to use and remove the illegal content?
 
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