New York Wants a Mandatory DNA Bank

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Take that to the bank may soon have an entirely new connotation if a new law proposed by New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is enacted into law. The proposed bill would require convicted felons or those convicted of misdemeanors to have their DNA collected and added to the DNA database.

Criminal acts expected to fall under the proposed mandatory DNA collection procedures include graffiti artists, turnstile jumpers, fortunetellers, and individuals who write bad checks
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I don't agree with misdemeanors having to submit to a DNA submission, but certainly anyone charged with theft or murder (or any crimes of similar severity) should have their DNA stored.
 
I honestly don't see a big issue with this. I mean you are fingerprinted if you commit a crime and put into a database so why not DNA.
It's the modern day of fingerprinting and people don't seem to have an issue with that so whats the big deal with this?

BTW, I live in N.Y. ;)
 
Living in NYC, this can be very beneficial. Look at how many wrongfully accused people have been hit with charges where a simple DNA check would prove that they are innocent. This can work the other way around as well finding out a potential suspect in a crime. I greatly approve of this bill.
 
DNA, the new mark of the beast. We just stamp you with a DNA serial # then, and off you go. Eventually the new Satan will handle your requests for eternal damnation because then government will be selling the list of DNA to...employers, insurance companies, doctors. Anything that they can link to you that could make them charge you more to help pay for the lobbyists that got this kind of senseless shit put into that 2nd generation bag of dirts hands.

Bad idea, bad bad bad on so many damn levels you have no idea.
 
Fendrix said:
And they'll say, "This is for your protection."
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And the people will eat it up like candy. Fools that they are.

DNA checks to get a job, to get a drivers license, to open a bank account, to purchase spray paint, to mandatory at birth, it will be the new SS number, is where this will lead.
 
I live in NY, but I disapprove of the bill. I can see if it were limited to murder/rape/arson/physical violence etc... but seriously, Graffiti, Turnstyle jumpers, a person who wrote a bad check, you have to be kidding me. That means you'd have to submit your DNA because you wrote a check that bounced because the check you deposited to cover it didn't clear yet. That is absolutely idiotic.
 
I cant believe some of you lot actually think you can trust the people pushing for this is going to use it for our benefit. Have you guys been paying attention to America that past few years? Are you insane?

Fuck this shit. I give you my tax money, you spend it like some deranged whore, use it on shit that benefits large corporations, and now you want my blood? FUCK YOU.
 
I'm surprised U.S. doesn't have a universal DNA bank yet like U.K. does. Either way, this is good news.
 
darkpark said:
I don't agree with misdemeanors having to submit to a DNA submission, but certainly anyone charged with theft or murder (or any crimes of similar severity) should have their DNA stored.
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Charged or convicted?

Charged - No.
Convicted - Yes.

Come wiht us citizen, you're being charged with murder. 4 hours later..... "Thanks for the DNA, your charges have been dropped. Good day".
 
Sherk said:
What is wrong with you people? This is not good news in any form.
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Like any database it can be used for good and evil purposes. One good benefit of a national DNA database would be for organ matching. But sure, there's tons of evil purposes it could be used for as well.
 
03grandam said:
I honestly don't see a big issue with this. I mean you are fingerprinted if you commit a crime and put into a database so why not DNA.
It's the modern day of fingerprinting and people don't seem to have an issue with that so whats the big deal with this?

BTW, I live in N.Y. ;)
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No fingerprints are collected for most misdemeanors, at least in California. Collection of DNA for a misdemeanor is going way overboard.
 
heatlesssun said:
Like any database it can be used for good and evil purposes. One good benefit of a national DNA database would be for organ matching. But sure, there's tons of evil purposes it could be used for as well.
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Considering the last decade of abuses by our government, I expect the worst.
 
LurkerLito said:
I live in NY, but I disapprove of the bill. I can see if it were limited to murder/rape/arson/physical violence etc... but seriously, Graffiti, Turnstyle jumpers, a person who wrote a bad check, you have to be kidding me. That means you'd have to submit your DNA because you wrote a check that bounced because the check you deposited to cover it didn't clear yet. That is absolutely idiotic.
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Not a NY resident myself, but I agree with your statement. I can see this for pedophiles and the like, but a graffiti artist? Really, are they that anal retentive?
 
Naieve said:
Considering the last decade of abuses by our government, I expect the worst.
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Well it's not just our government. We reelected a President that wanted the Patriot Act and got it through Congress and it wasn't a big secret what was happening either. But of course if you were against it, you were unAmerican.

If we keep blaming government and tolerate the labeling of everyone as a terrorist, communist or socialist because they have different opinions this will just keep happening.
 
Next they will mandate DNA testing of school children and sell it for their "protection" against future diseases or if your child is lost and abducted. At my child's school they fingerprint the children for their safety when in reality I think it's for the police to establish a database for future criminals.
 
I don't see the issue. Doesn't bother me in the least. Hell, as a matter of fact, take a DNA sample when kids are born to put in the database. 30 years later when someone is raped you could just match it up to joe Schmoe. From there let the due process begin.

For anyone saying "well you could plant the DNA". - How are you going to do that? A hair? And if you, did how would it be any different then what you can do already.

I really don't see the big downside like a lot of conspirator theorists.
 
Grimham said:
I don't see the issue. Doesn't bother me in the least. Hell, as a matter of fact, take a DNA sample when kids are born to put in the database. 30 years later when someone is raped you could just match it up to joe Schmoe. From there let the due process begin.

For anyone saying "well you could plant the DNA". - How are you going to do that? A hair? And if you, did how would it be any different then what you can do already.

I really don't see the big downside like a lot of conspirator theorists.
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I'm not really worried about the conspiracy theories, I'm thinking of all the companies that would love to have access to all of this genetic information, pharmaceutical, medical and insurance companies and how they would use if in questionable ways.
 
heatlesssun said:
I'm not really worried about the conspiracy theories, I'm thinking of all the companies that would love to have access to all of this genetic information, pharmaceutical, medical and insurance companies and how they would use if in questionable ways.
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^^ THIS!!
 
03grandam said:
I honestly don't see a big issue with this. I mean you are fingerprinted if you commit a crime and put into a database so why not DNA.
It's the modern day of fingerprinting and people don't seem to have an issue with that so whats the big deal with this?

BTW, I live in N.Y. ;)
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you are fingerprinted even if you don't commit a crime. i've never had any problems with the law up until a psychotic ex-gf filed a oop against me then lied. long story short, i was arrested. i was booked and held for 12 hours and 2 months later in court the judge ended up chewing her out and dropping my charges.
 
03grandam said:
I honestly don't see a big issue with this. I mean you are fingerprinted if you commit a crime and put into a database so why not DNA.
It's the modern day of fingerprinting and people don't seem to have an issue with that so whats the big deal with this?

BTW, I live in N.Y. ;)
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Both fingerprints and DNA can be falsified. I think DNA is worse, since it can be made up from scratch without requiring you. So if they have a sample of your DNA, they know what to build towards.

/tinfoil hat off
 
mknlb50 said:
I'm surprised U.S. doesn't have a universal DNA bank yet like U.K. does. Either way, this is good news.
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Yes in particular for the Life Insurance companies. They check your genes for predisposed genes and so much for getting a policy. Employer gets the info so much for a job if it looks like your going on long term disability down the road. See any other ways this can benefit you.
 
Really......Lets forget for just a second that DNA evidence is not like CSI

The city that is $7,000,000,000 in debt, wants to spend more that it does not have. Figures more symptoms of a decadent society, god forbid any politician grow up and learn to live on a budget.

Now lets get back to the fallacy of DNA. Anyone Remember this?

DNA when "matched" is matched much the same as fingerprints are. They calculate the match based on taking several data points, then calculating the statistical probability that this DNA matches the sample. It's never, ever, 100%.

So given the fact that we only collect DNA for Felonies, and we manage to find errors. Now what happens when we triple the amount of samples taken? Shit, lets just go all the way, do it at birth.
 
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LeviathanZERO said:
I cant believe some of you lot actually think you can trust the people pushing for this is going to use it for our benefit. Have you guys been paying attention to America that past few years? Are you insane?

Fuck this shit. I give you my tax money, you spend it like some deranged whore, use it on shit that benefits large corporations, and now you want my blood? FUCK YOU.
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^^^^^^^^^^This
 
While I understand the approach, the violation to privacy is still unacceptable. A system where some of your DNA is recorded would be ideal.
Incomplete DNA recordings would be for all intensive purposes enough of what is needed, without giving up all your information to the government.

Attach this DNA 'fingerprint' to the eventual digital ID we will all have, and it's a bridge between two issues that need to be justified. Privacy, and identification.
 
Grimham said:
I don't see the issue. Doesn't bother me in the least. Hell, as a matter of fact, take a DNA sample when kids are born to put in the database. 30 years later when someone is raped you could just match it up to joe Schmoe. From there let the due process begin.

For anyone saying "well you could plant the DNA". - How are you going to do that? A hair? And if you, did how would it be any different then what you can do already.

I really don't see the big downside like a lot of conspirator theorists.
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noone creates such a database just to find rapists or child abusers. that's always the excuse because noone can say "oh i don't care about rapists and pedophiles". such a database costs an assload of money and its security is questionable. how many cases could you actually solve with this compared to how much trouble this database would be?

let's compare it to the discussion about filters installed at the ISPs that block certain ip addresses and you get a STOP sign instead of the content you tried to access. it was suggested because of "child pornography" because apparently it's freaking everywhere, all over the internets. so you install this useless, expensive system and guess what: now it's there and has almost no purpose. but... the entertainment industry has an idea! let's use the same system already there to block file sharing sites! awesome!

so, even if you can't think of many reasons why it is bad *right now*, i'm sure a lot of people will come with ideas how to abuse it in creative ways. who watches the watchers? and if you refuse to put your dna in that database, you're a terrorist.
 
heatlesssun said:
Well it's not just our government. We reelected a President that wanted the Patriot Act and got it through Congress and it wasn't a big secret what was happening either. But of course if you were against it, you were unAmerican.

If we keep blaming government and tolerate the labeling of everyone as a terrorist, communist or socialist because they have different opinions this will just keep happening.
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Patriot Act, NDAA, SOPA, starting up some DNA databases...nah, it's all good. Nothing to worry about.
 
Like someone mentioned before, for crimes of similar severity like theft, murder, assault, yes, a DNA archive is welcomed. It's already known that many criminals who commit one crime are likely to commit the same crime again. That's only if they were proven in a court of law to have been convicted and carried out the crime.

But, for misdemeanors or minor crimes of lower severity like pickpocketing or jaywalkling, hell no. That's almost like branding them to be sexual offenders.

Above all, as with any thing related to DNA and databases, I would not want this to end up something similar to Gattaca. There, DNA was used to determine your status in life, what job you are allowed to work for, and where your genetic make-up determined your path life from the point of birth.

That I will not want.
 
octoberasian said:
Like someone mentioned before, for crimes of similar severity like theft, murder, assault, yes, a DNA archive is welcomed. It's already known that many criminals who commit one crime are likely to commit the same crime again. That's only if they were proven in a court of law to have been convicted and carried out the crime.

But, for misdemeanors or minor crimes of lower severity like pickpocketing or jaywalkling, hell no. That's almost like branding them to be sexual offenders.

Above all, as with any thing related to DNA and databases, I would not want this to end up something similar to Gattaca. There, DNA was used to determine your status in life, what job you are allowed to work for, and where your genetic make-up determined your path life from the point of birth.

That I will not want.
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You do realize that Social Security Numbers were specifically not supposed to be used for identification?

The Patriot Act was by law specifically for use against terrorists, yet 2008 Judiciary Committee testimony revealed that only 3 of 763 wiretaps using the Patriot Act authority were for terrorism. The vast majority were used in the War on Drugs.

You can say it is only about felons. Or only to protect the social security of the less fortunate. Or only to tap communications of terrorists.

In the end it will still become exactly the opposite of what you think is legal. They will "reinterpret" it to their hearts content. There should be absolutely positively no doubt at all that they will quietly expand this program in the future.
 
LeviathanZERO said:
I cant believe some of you lot actually think you can trust the people pushing for this is going to use it for our benefit. Have you guys been paying attention to America that past few years? Are you insane?

Fuck this shit. I give you my tax money, you spend it like some deranged whore, use it on shit that benefits large corporations, and now you want my blood? FUCK YOU.
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Sounds like someone needs time in "the room". :p
 
I thought DNA wasn't directly admissible in court as sole qualifying evidence of a crime. Has this changed?
 
corrupted223 said:
I saw Gattaca...no thanks
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Yeah, I gotta agree. It's not the concept as described I have an issue with. It's where else it could lead.

And the last thing we need is NY politicians making laws that could spread elsewhere.
 
Besides the large amount of my money this will cost I don't have a problem with it at all.
 
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