9800 GTX compared to 8800 Ultra

Geforce 9800 GTX looks massive and it's power supply system is heavy. Seems that they are preparing one heavy card for 8800 GTS 512 performance..

You don't know how it will perform, so don't act like you do.

Originally Posted by Zetherin

You don't know how it will perform, so don't act like you do.

Well basically one does know since it's specs are known.

-It uses the same GPU as 8800 GTS 512
-It has same amount of processing units
-Core clocks are 4% higher. Memory clocks are yet to be seen.

Wow, that IS a large card. I own an Ultra and I've always felt that card was rather massive. Guess there will soon be a new John Holmes GPU in town.

Originally Posted by Niceone

Well basically one does know since it's specs are known.

-It uses the same GPU as 8800 GTS 512
-It has same amount of processing units
-Core clocks are 4% higher. Memory clocks are yet to be seen.

I think it's already been noted that specs don't always reflect the actual performance of a card. Go check out the 9600GT article.

Originally Posted by Zetherin

I think it's already been noted that specs don't always reflect the actual performance of a card. Go check out the 9600GT article.

Agreed and since the 8800GTS needs only 1 6pin cable for power and this needs 2 than logic dictates there is more to the story than what you see on paper. That is if you can believe what you have read as fact.

Sorry, but which is which here? I think the 9800 is on bottom, am I correct?

Yes the 9800 is the one on the bottom.

Originally Posted by The Gonz

Agreed and since the 8800GTS needs only 1 6pin cable for power and this needs 2 than logic dictates there is more to the story than what you see on paper. That is if you can believe what you have read as fact.

I agree, even though the spec-sheet tells us it is not much different than the GTS 512, it is significantly larger, has two power plugs and what looks like more memory chips. Looking at the card itself tells me the "leaked" specs are BS, or they left something out.

Do we have a pic of a naked 8800GTS 512 AND 9600GT to compare notes?

EDIT: Found an 8800GTS 512 Naked;



AND 9600GT

Considering this card is being shown at a trade show and we are now getting real pictures of it shouldn't we see the official specs by the end of the day or do they keep those (the specs) secret even when the card is being displayed?

Originally Posted by Zetherin

I think it's already been noted that specs don't always reflect the actual performance of a card. Go check out the 9600GT article.

I dunno. I think the 9600GT only proved that stream processors may just not scale all that well. Double the stream processors on the 9600GT from 64 to 128 and I doubt it would perform much better than the 8800GTS.

Unfortunately I'm also in the camp that is doubtful this 9800GTX will be in any meaningfully way better than the 8800GTS.

Originally Posted by Ravynmagi

I dunno. I think the 9600GT only proved that stream processors may just not scale all that well. Double the stream processors on the 9600GT from 64 to 128 and I doubt it would perform much better than the 8800GTS.

Unfortunately I'm also in the camp that is doubtful this 9800GTX will be in any meaningfully way better than the 8800GTS.

The Clock Speeds were the Real Killer with the 9600GT too,

Originally Posted by Zetherin

You don't know how it will perform, so don't act like you do.

Is there Tiger don't get your Nvidiaroos in a bunch.

Looks good. I think the 9800GTX will perform much better than a lot of you guys are expecting.

Thanks to the OP for the picture comparison. First thing I looked at was the mounting holes for the GPU. They look to have the same pattern, but its hard to tell since the 9800GTX picture doesn't have the metal spacer the 8800 series has. I'm hoping to avoid buying another water block if this card performs as well as we all hope.

Originally Posted by PAPutzback

Is there Tiger don't get your Nvidiaroos in a bunch.

I'm not for either side, except for that of truth. Rumors and speculation I can deal with to an extent, but no, I don't feel any of us can say this card will perform so and so yet. The card isn't here, and significant testing has not been done.

Originally Posted by Johnny78

Wow, that IS a large card. I own an Ultra and I've always felt that card was rather massive. Guess there will soon be a new John Holmes GPU in town.

I don't see what everyone else is seeing. What's so massive about this card? The PCB seems to be approximately the same length as the Ultra. Do you mean the density of the componentry on the card itself?

No sign of a SPDIF connector on it like the GT/GTS have.

It would be completely silly if it only had near the performance of the GTS, Nvidia may be dumb, but they aren;t stooopid.

Originally Posted by Ravynmagi

I dunno. I think the 9600GT only proved that stream processors may just not scale all that well. Double the stream processors on the 9600GT from 64 to 128 and I doubt it would perform much better than the 8800GTS.

Unfortunately I'm also in the camp that is doubtful this 9800GTX will be in any meaningfully way better than the 8800GTS.

Yeah.. 8800 GT and GTS are both bottlenecked with their memory bandwith and ROP count.

Besides where they would get that extra performance for this card? I mean it uses the same GPU as 8800 GTS 512: G92-A2. I mean Geforce 9600 GT with it's G94 could theoretically have something that doesn't show up on specs.