A new NEC professional IPS? PA series

Originally Posted by drtc

From the pyramidal chart, I don't get why Financial market needs th PA series... and not the EA one.

Those are actual Financial market customers.

Deutsche Bank must like spending money for better quality since they chose to buy P series panels, while Russian Saving Bank on the other hand prefers to save money and bought AccuSync series panels (or maybe they needed touchscreens).

And yes, there is no doubt the P series monitors fall under a want rather then a need for the financial sector.

Edit: Oops I misread and just noticed Investment Banks on the top of the chart. Disregard this post.

Originally Posted by drtc

From the pyramidal chart, I don't get why Financial market needs th PA series... and not the EA one.

These segments often build arrays of monitors, and the 90 series has a number of features to manage and build arrays of screens. I presume the PA will continue these feature sets. Think traders with 9-12 screens at their station, or walls of panels used separately or together.

and from the posted pdf: http://www.nec-display-solutions.it/...ish.pdf&e=e2s1
it seems that NEC unfortunately drops the 20/21' 4:3 1600x1200 size AR series in favor of the 23 16:9 one. A pity, especially in the Pro range.

It doesn't bother me at all. They can't make a monitor which they can't find a suitable panel for. Perhaps LG dropped the manufacture of top-tier panels of this geometry. Without a panel - no monitor. Have any other display companies announced pro-grade 20" 4:3 displays in their next-gen lineup?

Originally Posted by Cyberbeing

Coming from the same pdf in the first post, NEC claims Eizo uses Class B panel binning for their Eizo CG line, while NEC uses Class A panel binning on their PA/90 line, so it may even turn out better.

Huh? What they're saying in the slides is that the PVA panels used by Eizo were categorized as "class B" in terms of viewing angles, while the IPS panels used by NEC were categorized as "class A". This is just a PVA vs. IPS issue. It seems like you misunderstood this...

You're correct, I was thinking it referred to binning but it is actually a certification test done by Fogra.

Though it does appear the Fogra certification is a combination of a combination of a uniformity test AND a viewing angle test, not just viewing angle. Of course the Eizo CG243W (IPS panel) also seem to get Class A certification by Forgra, so it very well may be as you said about IPS panels showing their strength in the viewing angle portion of the test.

Originally Posted by Vanquish

For Will and Art.
At 1079 USD the new 24" PA seems reasonably priced: will it translate in 1080 Euros, here?
Emanuele

I strongly hope, it won`t be that case. I can only say politely that 1 usd = 1eur is thievery. Companies must stop with such conversion rate ( starting in software market ) asap.

Any news about PA241W review in english ? I found only quick review in japanese :
http://ad.impress.co.jp/special/necds1002/
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/c...28_344939.html

An interesting read. Thanks a lot.
I'm only worried about one thing: 16:9. Sounds like 16:10 is about to die, unfortunately.

The new NEC 30 later this year is still 16:10 I believe.

Originally Posted by 3d_vlk

I strongly hope, it won`t be that case. I can only say politely that 1 usd = 1eur is thievery. Companies must stop with such conversion rate ( starting in software market ) asap.

It's not so much the companies as our governments...
Have you ever heard of SALES TAX?!?!?
They have it in the US, but it's not shown until you actually purchase something. And it's generally between 3 and 10%, depending on which state and county you're in. Actually I think purchases made over the internet were completely tax free until recently.

Here in Europe, sales tax is included in the shown price (unless you're buying on the behalf of a company) and can never be lower than 15% (exceptions are allowed for special stuff like food or sports/health activities). In my country the sales tax is at a whooping 25%.

And you can be sure that your country also will have to impose those high levels sooner or later as long as you and other oblivous people keep voting in fortune seekers from the third world. =/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_t..._United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax

first 4:3 dies, now 16:10 dies, i wonder what's next, 2.35:1?
I'd want to know if the new IPS panel has the white shift or if there's any sort of Polarizer included.
IPS is great as long as there's light but when it's dark it could be better.

Originally Posted by Jonte

It's not so much the companies as our governments...
Have you ever heard of SALES TAX?!?!?
They have it in the US, but it's not shown until you actually purchase something. And it's generally between 3 and 10%, depending on which state and county you're in. Actually I think purchases made over the internet were completely tax free until recently.

Here in Europe, sales tax is included in the shown price (unless you're buying on the behalf of a company) and can never be lower than 15% (exceptions are allowed for special stuff like food or sports/health activities). In my country the sales tax is at a whooping 25%.

And you can be sure that your country also will have to impose those high levels sooner or later as long as you and other oblivous people keep voting in fortune seekers from the third world. =/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_t..._United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax

Hi,
of course I know sales tax. In Slovakia we have flat tax of 19%, but the end price ( for consumer electronic in e-shops at least ) seems to be always by this formula :
(price in usd with 1:1 conversion rate)+(sales margin from 5 to 15%)
which is way beyond the fair price including tax.

Just calculate with me :
- currently is 1 eur = ~1,35 usd - which is 35% difference
- count off the max tax in US (10 %) and you`ll get 25% difference, count off the shipping rates ( ~ 5% ), you`ll get 20% difference which is pure ripoff on euro, and this my friend goes not into state pocket, but into company pocket ...

Originally Posted by Xpuser

first 4:3 dies, now 16:10 dies, i wonder what's next, 2.35:1

wow, i hope not!
I guess you will still find some 16:10 panels but with unattractive prices and limited choices... Or maybe I'm just pessimistic.

Originally Posted by Xpuser

I'd want to know if the new IPS panel has the white shift or if there's any sort of Polarizer included.
IPS is great as long as there's light but when it's dark it could be better.

There's a polarizer shown in the figures on page 15 but then again, this doesn't mean anything... For now, I think nobody here can tell you until more details are revealed on the new models. I agree that IPS alone isn't that great when it's dark...

Originally Posted by 3d_vlk

Hi,
of course I know sales tax. In Slovakia we have flat tax of 19%, but the end price ( for consumer electronic in e-shops at least ) seems to be always by this formula :
(price in usd with 1:1 conversion rate)+(sales margin from 5 to 15%)
which is way beyond the fair price including tax.

Just calculate with me :
- currently is 1 eur = ~1,35 usd - which is 35% difference
- count off the max tax in US (10 %) and you`ll get 25% difference, count off the shipping rates ( ~ 5% ), you`ll get 20% difference which is pure ripoff on euro, and this my friend goes not into state pocket, but into company pocket ...

jeez, did you forget import duties by any chance?

Originally Posted by TehQuick

jeez, did you forget import duties by any chance?

Well, I doubt they are assembled in the US...

Originally Posted by and

Well, I doubt they are assembled in the US...

I didn't say they are. Are you saying EU and US impose exactly the same import duty on every single thing they import? I'm not even getting into other economic variables: government taxation on business, strength of competition and so on. Converting prices according to exchange rate and expecting them to be the same across the world only shows how little you understand the way modern market economy works. Claiming that the entire difference goes into company's pocket is even more, well, misguided

Originally Posted by and

Well, I doubt they are assembled in the US...

Originally Posted by TehQuick

I didn't say they are. Are you saying EU and US impose exactly the same import duty on every single thing they import? I'm not even getting into other economic variables: government taxation on business, strength of competition and so on. Converting prices according to exchange rate and expecting them to be the same across the world only shows how little you understand the way modern market economy works. Claiming that the entire difference goes into company's pocket is even more, well, misguided

I appreciate your opinion, but:
- it is the `modern economy` that brought the economies of countries around the world to the `knees` ( and it is natural result of being greedy )
- such `modern thinking` of being on top no matter what leads only to bad future ( to have money variables for `every` aspect of life & labour, i.e. to charge for `anything` in the name of competition/better life, i.e. use every possible glitch in economy for self-profit, no matter the possible wrongdoing - in broader sense )
- people must realize that more and more redundant complexity in economies leads to abnormal results which are bad in most cases

So in the end I may not know `all the variables` across the world economies, but I disagree to be completely wrong in my opinions, also I apologize for this economy offtopic and I don`t want to continue on it ( for obvious reasons ), this thread is about PA241W not about economy flame.

Originally Posted by 3d_vlk

I appreciate your opinion, but:
- it is the `modern economy` that brought the economies of countries around the world to the `knees` ( and it is natural result of being greedy )
- such `modern thinking` of being on top no matter what leads only to bad future ( to have money variables for `every` aspect of life & labour, i.e. to charge for `anything` in the name of competition/better life, i.e. use every possible glitch in economy for self-profit, no matter the possible wrongdoing - in broader sense )
- people must realize that more and more redundant complexity in economies leads to abnormal results which are bad in most cases

So in the end I may not know `all the variables` across the world economies, but I disagree to be completely wrong in my opinions, also I apologize for this economy offtopic and I don`t want to continue on it ( for obvious reasons ), this thread is about PA241W not about economy flame.

First of all, there's ideal world and there's real world. There was one big experiment to make world fair and straight, it was called communism. Do you suggest we try again? Because that's what it sounds like when you want exchange rates to reflect the real value of any particular item across the world. That's exactly what what was done under communist (read - command) economy.

Secondly, this thread is NOT just about PA241W, it's about the entire line of PA 90s. RTFM, thread title that is.

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. As am I to pointing out to fatal flaws in your logic.

Where did all this talk about 16:10 dying come from out of the blue?

Both the 24" PA241W and the 30" PA301W are 16:10.

The only 16:9 model is the 27" PA271W which is has a resolution of 2560x1440.

I wouldn't count of 16:10 dying in high-end professional monitors anytime soon.

+1; Thanks for straightening that out

Dave

I noticed today that http://tftcentral.co.uk/ is going to be doing a review of the PA241w. I can't wait to see the results!

Originally Posted by Cyberbeing

The only 16:9 model is the 27" PA271W which is has a resolution of 2560x1440.

There also looks to be a 23" (PA231w) at 16:9 but it uses e-IPS instead of p-IPS. Has less aRBG coverage. I don't think it would be much better than the EA231wmi.