Idiotic Quote of the Day

Originally Posted by Unexploded

The company I work for already has plan in place for what to do when the Indians get to expensive, as well as plans on what to do when the Chinese follow suit.

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That's very interesting

This is the first time I've heard of Unisys other than their weather site which I frequent.

Originally Posted by NKDietrich

Makes me sick and makes me want to burn my degree.

Why? More work for you when this company goes belly-up!

its shit like this that makes me wish the general apathy we display to more lost jobs would be given when these companies are filing for bankruptcy and closing their doors. fuck bailouts or being bought out. roll over and die and let the competition get their dibs on what's left of you that's salvageable, between equipment and workers. then let the smaller rivals move into your spot.

you know. the way it should be. the way we preach that it should be.
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This is why DoD/ ITAR work is the best kind. You simply can't be outsourced.

What I want to know: How can you be running an efficient business if you easily displaced 1200 works with 2 guys in India. That says way more about corporate bureaucracy than it does about out sourcing.

nix that, I read the excerpt wrong...

Why couldn't we just outsource his job? He's obviously not good at it, and had to blame it on his workers.

I heard him say that live - and raised an eyebrow. I thought - this is not going to end well....

Originally Posted by Unexploded

The company I work for already has plan in place for what to do when the Indians get to expensive, as well as plans on what to do when the Chinese follow suit.

It's all about the cheapest, most disposable labor.

Originally Posted by cliche

That's very interesting

Yeah almost every large corporation that outsources has plans lined up. When I got laid off from a large company most know for having roots in a garage and developing printers, they were already moving away from India (for SW and FW) as it was too expensive.

Manufacturing had already shifted from the US to Mexico to Singapore to Malaysia and was just getting started in China.

I like their honesty. Every company does it, it takes real integrity to go out and simply announce it

Bottom line, who actually PAYS for products? He can replace every worker in the world with two cockroaches, if nobody's buying because they don't have any money then its all moot.

Even with globalization there is no free lunch, no customers, no lunch.

Rather than badmouthing this guy for being too "crass", we should praise him for speaking the truth. What should be offending us is not that he came out and blatantly said his company is outsourcing all those jobs, but the fact that this sort of outsourcing is going on at all.

And we're not only outsourcing, we're also bringing in cheap labor to undercut/keep down wages here. Two sides of the same coin.

I wish people wouldn't be so enamoured with globalization, becuase IMO it's not doing us any favors in the long run.

Originally Posted by Madoc

Rather than badmouthing this guy for being too "crass", we should praise him for speaking the truth. What should be offending us is not that he came out and blatantly said his company is outsourcing all those jobs, but the fact that this sort of outsourcing is going on at all.

And we're not only outsourcing, we're also bringing in cheap labor to undercut/keep down wages here. Two sides of the same coin.

I wish people wouldn't be so enamoured with globalization, becuase IMO it's not doing us any favors in the long run.

I'd rather see globalization and people earning their own living and prosper than see continuous wars and crime and starvation in impoverished countries as shown in Africa and parts of Asia.

Yes, it's going to eat up a lot of our resources, but then we're using too much of it anyways.

This is another example that being "intelligent" a.k.a. getting a university diploma and a good job doesn't excludes you for an absolute lack of common sense. Gimme a person with common sense anytime over an over educated, arrogant, professional imbecile any day.

Originally Posted by Azhar

I'd rather see globalization and people earning their own living and prosper than see continuous wars and crime and starvation in impoverished countries as shown in Africa and parts of Asia.

Yes, it's going to eat up a lot of our resources, but then we're using too much of it anyways.

That dear Azhar is because you are not a Westener but yet you come here to the West to exploit its advantages and constantly bitch about its defects, and of course because you are completely convinced that the third world countries in the East won't ever raise by themselves unless they parasite the West. A very proper degraded motherly point of way where the West has to pay the rest of the world for its supposed sins that has come from the Christian culture.
Blaming the West entirely for the disgraces on the rest of the world is what has you like that on the first place. Even Obama said it to Kenyans in his visit." South Korea surpassed you in the last 15 years in Gross External production after their Civil war 50 years ago. Today you're still killing each other in tribal wars like you've done for at least, the last 4 centuries. The only difference is that you use modern weapons. That has to Stop. Stop blaming the West for your faults!!"
Where are you going to go to parasite once the West is drained and gone?

Originally Posted by SamuraiInBlack

its shit like this that makes me wish the general apathy we display to more lost jobs would be given when these companies are filing for bankruptcy and closing their doors. fuck bailouts or being bought out. roll over and die and let the competition get their dibs on what's left of you that's salvageable, between equipment and workers. then let the smaller rivals move into your spot.

you know. the way it should be. the way we preach that it should be.
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HAI, Samurai San!!!

Sayonara!!!

Originally Posted by Unexploded

It's not just the US, we're getting slaughtered here in Canada as well. I'm missing about half my co-workers currently.

They're also targeting Europe, but it's slower going as they're somewhat protected by law and unions. I'm no big fan of unions, but I don't see multinational corporations looking out for anyone's best interests--besides their own. It wouldn't have to called a union, you could call it an association ala doctors, lawyers, etc... Same net result though.

Re: the line about a shortage of qualified people, generally that's total BS. The company I work for already has plan in place for what to do when the Indians get to expensive, as well as plans on what to do when the Chinese follow suit.

It's all about the cheapest, most disposable labor.

You know? I detest Oliver Stone. But the Character he directed in Wall Street couldn't be more right.
Gordon Gekko said it and I repeat it. Greed is what made this country so great. The actual Entrepreneurs like Henry Ford owned their companies and they cared about one thing. Making their companies prosperous and their country prosperous. Once a Corporation Business gets in place, guess what? No one cares about the country anymore. They become a parasite. The saddest part, no one owns the company. It becomes impersonal and thus, careless.

Originally Posted by Enduring_Warrior

That dear Azhar is because you are not a Westener but yet you come here to the West to exploit its advantages and constantly bitch about its defects, and of course because you are completely convinced that the third world countries in the East won't ever raise by themselves unless they parasite the West. A very proper degraded motherly point of way where the West has to pay the rest of the world for its supposed sins that has come from the Christian culture.
Blaming the West entirely for the disgraces on the rest of the world is what has you like that on the first place. Even Obama said it to Kenyans in his visit." South Korea surpassed you in the last 15 years in Gross External production after their Civil war 50 years ago. Today you're still killing each other in tribal wars like you've done for at least, the last 4 centuries. The only difference is that you use modern weapons. That has to Stop. Stop blaming the West for your faults!!"
Where are you going to go to parasite once the West is drained and gone?

South Korea is not really a good comparison.

Totally different conditions.
Soviet/China monoblock that was feared just turned the UN war into a bloodbath.
Some of the largest concentration of armed forces in the world there.
Tons of US economic aid, combined with US help in setting up a dictatorship.


But the essense of the message is still correct.

South Korea did recover from barbarism
Quite a few 'heavily religious' states have not, yet.

Originally Posted by Enduring_Warrior

You know? I detest Oliver Stone. But the Character he directed in Wall Street couldn't be more right.
Gordon Gekko said it and I repeat it. Greed is what made this country so great. The actual Entrepreneurs like Henry Ford owned their companies and they cared about one thing. Making their companies prosperous and their country prosperous. Once a Corporation Business gets in place, guess what? No one cares about the country anymore. They become a parasite. The saddest part, no one owns the company. It becomes impersonal and thus, careless.

haha so true.

SMB should be the core of the country economy.

But most major economic powers aren't that way.

Taiwan is SMB based, but not a major economic force.
Korea is large corporation (totally great comparison here.... the chaebol) based, with major economic power.


Then... the USA is not really that... sortof Socialist (for the big corps), but still enough for the little companies.
Same with Europe (from what I know, I may be wrong).
Same with China (...)