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Hurin, you've done little else in this thread except answer the OP's question about OLED computer monitors with information about OLED TVs. The overall theme of my cites is that OLED in any flavor has already been written off by manufacturers for computer monitors. In 2008 an 11" panel was...

If you've ever seen it actually lower G2 yours would be the first report I've ever read to that effect. Compared to my own experience (albeit limited: one F500R) and that posted by others in the discussion on Icrontic's forum on overly bright CRTs. I'm not sure if image restore ever lowers G2...

Again I'm confused since I've consistently admitted WRGB is and will be a vast improvement over existing TV technologies. For whatever reason nobody seems able to understand it has zero to do with the title of this thread or the OP's question. How many affordable OLED computer monitors exist or...

Meanwhile readers interested in actual information instead of genitalia waving are directed here, and here. Oh and here and especially here. Stop reading when you get the message.

What is there to take back? I've shown exactly why it's a scam, and how LG was magically able to get that yield number from an absolute joke to viability. The simple truth is that any company, including Samsung, could have done exactly what LG did, and replace superior RGB OLED technology with...

"It also has a feature called Black Stabilizer that “illuminates dark scenes” to reveal hidden details. LG thinks this could give players a competitive edge by ensuring opponents can’t ambush from the shadows." Marketing tip: when crushing white so that black is more visible...

If you knew what the jesus fuck you were talking about, yet again, best of luck calibrating those dead but masked pixels.

Please stop talking about TVs. Request #29 I think. It's also the answer to your question. WRGB OLED flies well for TVs, I've never denied it in this thread or anywhere else. It doesn't fly when proofing and color correcting video and images. It's one of the spec differences between TVs and...

As long as you believe so. Objective readers might have actually learned something.

It amounts to genital waving since time will tell what happens. But I have no plans to allow LG to get away with dealing with OLED's limitations simply by lowering the bar of what consumers expect to receive when they buy a new monitor. LG magically went from 10% yields to 80% not by any...

I hear that. At this point I've backed up most or all of my major claims with cites, and more importantly explanations. In return I get personal attacks, ridiculous psychological analyses and unprovoked swipes in unrelated threads. Between his abysmally uninformed opinions and claims about...

IIRC the Monster analog video cable cult slightly preceeded the audiophile cult.

"Long story short, these panels will contain bad pixels galore, they're simply harder to detect with added white pixels which can and do function as little more than pixel-sized backlights." "Source?" Simply pathetic. You really can't fix stupid.

Keep reading the first sentence of my last response. And for God's sake find a mirror.

Likewise on the final shot wish, but ime people tend to accuse others precisely of what they themselves are guilty of. If you would learn to read what is written instead of what you wish to read, other people including me wouldn't have to waste their time responding to and correcting it. My...

I never said they didn't. I said quality CRTs have an expected lifespan several times that of backlights. So please explain what "going strong" means, and tell us how much original brightness a backlight is expected to lose after eight years of use, relative to a CRT.

It's more desperation and frustration than anger. I've been nursing two 22" CRTs for 15 years but not even CRTs last forever, and currently the only way to replace current functionality (i.e. no backlight/input lag/video ghosting/etc/etc) is to drop $8k on an OLED panel that begins to decay...

Or as my cited article put it, the good is the enemy of the best. No argument there, and yet you continue to simply ignore the fact that China has technology "almost as good" as OLED at 1/20th the production cost, and continue to insist OLED has some kind of future for computer monitors. Please...

No crystal ball, just abilities to review established history and read English. At this point I'm convinced human gullibility is infinite. E.g. AVSForum, January 2008: "OLED TVs: Technology Advancements Thread ewitte's Avatar ewitte 09:11 AM 01-11-2008 Quote: Originally Posted by impala454...

Maybe for phones. For computer monitors it's been 14 years of promised futures. They remain an $8K option with no announced plans from anyone to change the situation.

10 days? Was someone recently banned? Between Sony, Mitsubishi, NEC, IIyama, Viewsonic etc etc the world was swimming in wonderful 21-22" CRTs, in the 1990's and 2000's. Well before 10 years ago. Not exactly pointless.

I'd steer clear of Eizo except for their CG series. They're far from the only manufacturer doing this, but from what I've read they use panels that have failed testing for their higher-end models and use them for their lower-end models, including Foris. If you get lucky you will get a stunning...

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other. What angel of God descended 10 years ago and decreed that nobody on planet Earth either needed or wanted CRT technology? Why was it necessary to practically abandon the technology when, at the time, they literally couldn't even make them fast...

It doesn't tell me anything about individual RGB levels, which btw was the original purpose of my chart. I'm dealing with very old monitors, and to be fair/honest the Sony used to fare much better against the 2040 than it does today. It just seems to be losing way more dynamic range over time...

Probably from my image host converting from the file's original TIFF format, due to size. The original is a 5.4MB TIFF not a 22KB JPG or GIF. :) If I can find a way to insert it in this thread unmolested I'll do it. I use the chart in my calibration procedures, and my claims about the two...

I'll extend the same question to you as EdZ. How much have you spent on flatpanels in the last 15 years?

Sorry, I should have put a disclaimer that virtually all flatpanel users will see close to nothing in this chart.

I knew sooner or later someone would come along with the formal industry line. And most of it is absolute horseshit. E.g. "The much vaunted GDM-FW900 retailed for $2300". Yep, and let's simply ignore the dozens if not hundreds of other much vaunted CRTs that did not retail for $2300. Like my...

It's a relative term, and an accurate one relative to everything under $2K available today, and even relative to the F500R which sits directly next to it. You are more than welcome to come over and compare. The 2040u does things the Sony can't, e.g. on an RGB chart of all possible values from...

Not sure what Cadalyst did with the full review, it was up for well over 10 years and now all I can find are pieces of it. Sorry about that. Here's the intro to the full review.

My only point in all of this is that you can add your mights to the 14 years of mays and shoulds. Still zero options for an affordable OLED monitor of any flavor and still no plans from anyone to ever produce one.

The review was on the 2040u (same Diamondtron tube as the 2060/70). There is no bad G2. There is only marketing. It's the same reason CRTs were shipped with a blinding default 9300K temperature. People tend to have short memories, in 2001 the world was literally swimming in amazing CRT monitor...

For TVs I have no doubt that's true. It means diddly as long as it remains a TV technology. Unless (as someone suggested) we start strapping 55" screens onto our 30" desks. What I don't get is, if it's now possible for LG to produce a $3K 55" OLED TV, why is it impossible for them to produce...

Ditto the Flashgot love. Finally something that can't be intentionally broken by Google within 36 hours of being released.. :) Speaking of which, if there's any chance of discussion about how people are getting from Flashgot's captures to more standard HD formats, I'd love to read it...

Completely regardless of anyone's opinion, my disgust is not only accompanied by but a direct result of the last 14 years of established history. We still wait for a true replacement (in performance, capability, flexibility and durability) for our CRTs, and still are forced to choose between...

Cadalyst. Review.

I can only tell you our F500R came from the factory with G2 at 130 and wound up, calibrated, at 110. EDIT: Sorry I managed to lop off your second point. Yes I know, my claim is that Sony was trading gamut for punch at the time.

It increases G2 voltage. Wasn't that your question? Cadalyst has (or at least had, look it up) comparative reviews of a F500R and 2040u. It was the one that made us buy the second of those before the first (not to mention the $600 msrp difference). I didn't mean to imply the Trinitrons were...

4. It does. 5. Never saw this in a wpb procedure on our F500R. It's supposed to (and does ime) default to whatever G2 value is stored for the currently loaded monitor profile. Ours came from the factory at 130 which at the time it was new was ridiculously overdriven. :) Sony's major competitor...

Look at my length of account here a little closer. Not sure how far back the archives go but we got the problem sorted also thanks to this site. No grudges because it was a blessing in disguise. I was so impressed with the capabilities of Sony's DAS I drilled a hole in the back of the monitor...