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too hot, too slow, and unmanufacturable part deux

TX480 running Dirt2 demo

As it turns out, the numbers were indeed too good to be true. If you run the Dirt2 demo, the GTX470 and GTX480 drop back to DX9 mode, as you can see it in the picture above. Since they are doing far less work, frame rates go up. Running the DX11 code path drop frames by around 25 to 40 percent for the same work. In the game itself, DX11 works just fine on the GTX480, so it is likely that the demo lacked the correct profile for the then unreleased and 6 months out GTX4x0s.

For some odd reason, that point wasn't mentioned in the Nvidia slides SemiAccurate saw. Sources deep inside Santa Clara have told SemiAccurate that this wasn't due to the TWIMTBP budget cuts, it is probably just the old 'Nvidia honesty' coming forward once again. For some reason, the real numbers that compare DX11 to DX11 versions didn't make their press presentations even though the game had been out for months by then. Funny that.

For those unwilling to take such things as hard facts into account in order to protect their egos, we submit the above screenshot of the Dirt2 demo, running on a GTX480. The card is running at the official 1848 MHz (3696MHz effective) memory clock and the shaders are at the stock 1401MHz 'hot clock'.

Please note, in this case 'hot' is more literal than figurative, the GPU here is running at 87C, far hotter than any card that expects to have a realistic life span should be at. Unconfirmed reports from China have the card hitting 98C on furmark. Don't expect these 'puppies' to have a long life, even in dog years.

In the end, the card is too hot, too slow, and unmanufacturable. We told you so. Pop goes the ego.S|A
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LULZ
 
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Of course

Nvidia needs to release this $#@* so ATI can drop their prices. Look at those temps!
 
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Can anyone quote the article so I dont have to give any clicks. K thanks.
 
He was not in the past,. "Hate" is a very motivating driving force. I believe he is spot on as before or very close, problem is though that I understand more and more why he dislikes Nvidia so much.
 
funny article thats for sure.. wish he would of shown the dx11 frame rates to prove the point better..
 
Charlie is either going to look like a genius or he is going to take a dirt nap.
 
To be this close to launch and for him to make these claims I'm going to go with that he is right on this one. If not, then I think he is done.
 
It's accurate. The Dirt demo does not recognize GF100 cards and thus switches automatically to DirectX 9. Not sure if that's a big deal tho.
 
His comments on temperature are way off. Odd that was included. These are not cpu's.
 
Why?

He mentions no fan speeds, no ambient temps.

Nothing wrong with that temp if gaming.
 
The 48xx range were hot cards and load temps of 90 degrees wasn't uncommon especially with a bit of overclocking, the 58xx/5970 are set to throttle to maintain temps below 90 degrees. heat doesn't bother me too much as long as the stock coolers can handle it without making your computer sound like a medium sized airport.
 
DontBeEvil said:
It's accurate. The Dirt demo does not recognize GF100 cards and thus switches automatically to DirectX 9. Not sure if that's a big deal tho.
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That part is true.

However, GTX 4X0 reviewers know to either use the Dirt2 retail game or force the HD 5970/5870 to run in DX9 in the Dirt2 demo config file for a direct comparison :p
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
funny article thats for sure.. wish he would of shown the dx11 frame rates to prove the point better..
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We will know soon now. I for one think he is going to be more right then wrong in this case as Fermi is not going to be as amazing as Nvidia had hoped it would be.
Man those Temps do look a bit absurd ot me though. That is a little to hot for me.:confused:

Lets hope Fermi at least gives ATI a good challange as i really need to get a new ( or 2 ) card/s. For now my cash stays in my wallet.:cool:
 
shaolin95 said:
He is a moron, not sure why you guys even pay attention then again, I guess I do now why....
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There is a bit of truth in most everything out there. Although calling someone a moron comes across a bit like hate to me.
The guy has his oppinion and sometimes is not of the mark .
Same thing could be said for every one out there , including Kyle here. We pay attention , read up and disscuss things in the forums because it's good for us gamers and it is always a good thing to share info.
 
He's usually right. NV fanbois just hate bc he's mostly right, esp. about the fermi fiasco. And it is a fiasco. rofl.:p I love that guy...
 
If the temps are that high then a 3rd party cooler will be a must. 87c damn that's hot. My 9800 gtx+ hits 70c while raiding in world of warcraft. 44c when sitting on the desktop. Using zalman VF1000 cooler.
 
apoppin said:
That part is true.

However, GTX 4X0 reviewers know to either use the Dirt2 retail game or force the HD 5970/5870 to run in DX9 in the Dirt2 demo config file for a direct comparison :p
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So we are supposed to roll everything back to DX9 to make Fermi look better now? Sad, nVidia, sad. Too bad Semi Accurate is spot on. Irony is a funny thing.

These are DX11 parts, if we have to cripple everything to give Nvidia a fighting chance then what is the point of Fermi ...
 
Hamish Campbell said:
Is he wrong though?
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this. probably not but this is still fud either way. yes it was probably bullshit from Nvidia but it hardly says what the DX11 performance of the GTX480 is either. I am guessing that he didn't know or didn't want to say.
 
necrophile said:
Why?

He mentions no fan speeds, no ambient temps.

Nothing wrong with that temp if gaming.
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depends on the case... most cases have pretty good airflow for CPU coolers, but so so airflow for GPU's.

if the hot air isnt removed from around the GPU, that air is then used to 'attempt' to cool the GPU... which doesnt work so well

and wed have to assume nVidia arent using a cheapo case for their testing, so if 87 is the temp for nVidia, it could be even higher for joe blow, and thats not even taking into account if nVidia used water cooling (i havent seen the demo so i dont know)
 
Galvin said:
If the temps are that high then a 3rd party cooler will be a must. 87c damn that's hot. My 9800 gtx+ hits 70c while raiding in world of warcraft. 44c when sitting on the desktop. Using zalman VF1000 cooler.
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Eeh, my ol' X1900XT was hitting 90c and it still managed to survive.
Whats worrying is that these Fermi's are on the new (for nvidia anyway) 40nm process yet those temperatures; cannot be a good sign.

Hopefully it compensates for the performance.
 
someone needs to make a check list of all the things charlie said about the gf100.
see how many things he was wrong on and how many things he was correct on.
i have a feeling the correct column will have a lot more checks.

why does everyone love to rip him?? do i agree with everything he say? no, but he has a good point most of the time.

also im not a hardcore ati guy, the last ati card i had before my 4870 was a 9800pro.
there has been a lot of nvidia cards in my systems (6600, 7800, 8800).

but for the most part it seems like nvidia really screwed up the gf100 and he has called them out on it. if they didnt really screw up the card wouldnt it have been released in sept, oct?

usually when things get delayed that long it isnt good. they have to release something to the market, so we are getting the 480/470. it isnt like they can rebrand the gt200 with dx11 (i bet they thought about it). how long is it before the gf100 gets replaced with the gf200? these cards will be eol by sept of this year.
 
tricky0502 said:
someone needs to make a check list of all the things charlie said about the gf100.
see how many things he was wrong on and how many things he was correct on.
i have a feeling the correct column will have a lot more checks.

why does everyone love to rip him?? do i agree with everything he say? no, but he has a good point most of the time.

also im not a hardcore ati guy, the last ati card i had before my 4870 was a 9800pro.
there has been a lot of nvidia cards in my systems (6600, 7800, 8800).

but for the most part it seems like nvidia really screwed up the gf100 and he has called them out on it. if they didnt really screw up the card wouldnt it have been released in sept, oct?

usually when things get delayed that long it isnt good. they have to release something to the market, so we are getting the 480/470. it isnt like they can rebrand the gt200 with dx11 (i bet they thought about it). how long is it before the gf100 gets replaced with the gf200? these cards will be eol by sept of this year.
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remember when nvidia said last year "fermi is 65% faster than ati's 5870"???

i knew something was fishy then

i'm not impressed at the 10% over current card coming at such a high heat and watt use



i'm still hoping i can snag 2 480s
 
tricky0502 said:
someone needs to make a check list of all the things charlie said about the gf100.
see how many things he was wrong on and how many things he was correct on.
i have a feeling the correct column will have a lot more checks.
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I'd like to see this done, as well. Charlie might be a little bias, but that doesn't make him completely wrong all the time.
 
You would also have to get honest people to do it.

People cheryy pick things. Such as the whole power usage thing. People were trying to say he was wrong yet forget to mention that it was for a chip with a specific set of specs.

Usually, his main haters are as bad or worse than he is as they offer nothing new, only to rubbish what he says without and proof.

Still, 1-2 days and maybe some definite answers will come out and we can see who was closer to the truth and watch the fanboys twist things till they look all rosy.
 
psychoticdream said:
remember when nvidia said last year "fermi is 65% faster than ati's 5870"???

i knew something was fishy then

i'm not impressed at the 10% over current card coming at such a high heat and watt use



i'm still hoping i can snag 2 480s
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i would be impressed if it came out on time and was 10% faster
coming out now and only being 10% faster? it took 6 extra months to make it 10% faster?
imagine if it took a year? it would be....



wait for it.....




wait for it.....





20% faster!!!
 
tricky0502 said:
someone needs to make a check list of all the things charlie said about the gf100.
see how many things he was wrong on and how many things he was correct on.
i have a feeling the correct column will have a lot more checks..
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In the last month or so, he said the top part would have 448 cores, 280W power, 600/1200 clocks (spent most of that article discussing those clocks). He just said it was unmanufacturable and backed this up by saying the defect rate is so high that the working chips are in single digit percentages so basically these cards should be so rare only the likes of Kyle will ever see one. Those should be pretty easy to prove/disprove in the next few weeks.

His past record includes such gems as him saying the 2900XT would pwn the 8800GTX, the GTX 295 wasn't possible, that the dodgy soldering effected every nvidia card not just laptop ones, that nvidia were leaving the high end graphics card market (reported on front page of [H]) so the GF100 shouldn't exist at all, etc, etc, etc.
 
sbuckler said:
In the last month or so, he said the top part would have 448 cores, 280W power, 600/1200 clocks (spent most of that article discussing those clocks). He just said it was unmanufacturable and backed this up by saying the defect rate is so high that the working chips are in single digit percentages so basically these cards should be so rare only the likes of Kyle will ever see one. Those should be pretty easy to prove/disprove in the next few weeks.

His past record includes such gems as him saying the 2900XT would pwn the 8800GTX, the GTX 295 wasn't possible, that the dodgy soldering effected every nvidia card not just laptop ones, that nvidia were leaving the high end graphics card market (reported on front page of [H]) so the GF100 shouldn't exist at all, etc, etc, etc.
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it has (as far as i know) 480sp's, 675mhz and 250 watts? not that far off


and when he said it was "unmanufacturable" he was kind of right. where is the 512sp part? they couldnt manufacturer it could they? that was what nvidia was aiming for. if they stuck with the 512sp then the 480 would only be in the hands of the select few.

the 2900xt, he was wrong, very, very wong.
 
dnottis said:
So we are supposed to roll everything back to DX9 to make Fermi look better now? Sad, nVidia, sad. Too bad Semi Accurate is spot on. Irony is a funny thing.

These are DX11 parts, if we have to cripple everything to give Nvidia a fighting chance then what is the point of Fermi ...
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That is not what i said

The Dirt2 *Demo* does not support DX11 for GF100
- the Dirt2 *Game* does :p

Now .. a reviewer has a choice .. IF he has the demo only, to be FAIR, he must use DX9 for 5X70 vs GTX 4X0; if he has the full game, no issue with DX11

this is a head's up .. so you know what to look for in reviews
- if they are running the Dirt2 Demo you know what to look for
;)

Semi-Accurate isn't even half accurate
- there is a reason the hate-writer's name is Charlie; he makes it up as he goes along for hits.
- it is a "satire" site .. not news
 
apoppin said:
- it is a "satire" site .. not news
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This. The reason so many of us dislike Charlie is he is NOT a reporter, he is a guy with a grudge and a word processor. A LOT of the stuff he has said is true, some isn't. But he will always... ALWAYS be looking for a way to make nVidia look bad so you can't take what he says seriously. Right now nVidia doesn't need Charlie to look bad, they can do it on their own! ;)
 
Direfox said:
This. The reason so many of us dislike Charlie is he is NOT a reporter, he is a guy with a grudge and a word processor. A LOT of the stuff he has said is true, some isn't. But he will always... ALWAYS be looking for a way to make nVidia look bad so you can't take what he says seriously. Right now nVidia doesn't need Charlie to look bad, they can do it on their own! ;)
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the same can be said about theo valich and fuad at fudzilla

sorry but charlie's gotten far more things right than wrong
and nvidia makes it so easy for him to pick on them fake cards, fake benchmarks (remember before gtx250, bumpgate, rebranding of cards pressuring e-tailers and you'll see nvidia's earned it
 
psychoticdream said:
the same can be said about theo valich and fuad at fudzilla

sorry but charlie's gotten far more things right than wrong
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Not this time. If you are keeping score, what little is left of his credibility will go deeply into the negative - not long from now.
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i just hope people will remember - for next time - that Charlie's site is a waste of pixels as far as credible news goes :p
- it is simply hateful one-sided non-dimensional mindless 'entertainment' .. "tech satire" .. parody ..
 
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