disabling services to boost performance

[H3d Case]

i have the windows media center pc and ive been looking at some guides with a list of services you can disable except they are for windows xp. does it matter if i use media center?

[Bop]

Check out Black Viper's guide here (http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm)

[Big Fat Duck]

i tried posting a thread in "operating systems" about disabling services faster, but i just got flamed by people saying that disabling them does nothing.. but i know for a fact that my 700 mhz computer with 128 megs of ram needs most of them disabled otherwise it takes forever to accomplish tasks

[WhyYouLoveMe]

Check out www.tweakguides.com and www.theeldergeek.com. Elder's service guide is fantastic. Black Viper's is great as well. Enjoy!

[H3d Case]

yes but does it matter if i use a media center pc?

[XOR != OR]

i tried posting a thread in "operating systems" about disabling services faster, but i just got flamed by people saying that disabling them does nothing.. but i know for a fact that my 700 mhz computer with 128 megs of ram needs most of them disabled otherwise it takes forever to accomplish tasksIf you knew, then why ask?

You asked in the OS forum, and you got your answers. If you didn't want the truth, you should have said up front that you wanted to be lied to.

[HHunt]

yes but does it matter if i use a media center pc?

The only difference is that MCE has added a few new services. Most likely, you'll recognize them from their descriptions.

[Super Mario]

Disabling services is a good thing if you know what your doing. Heck, I think it is a good idea for eveyrone to disable Error Reporting. Honestly what good does such a service like Error Reporting going to do for the average home user?? It is more of a spy gadget as far as I am concerned. No one should be reproting system crash data to Microsoft!

[lomn75]

Disabling services is a good thing if you know what your doing. Heck, I think it is a good idea for eveyrone to disable Error Reporting. Honestly what good does such a service like Error Reporting going to do for the average home user?? It is more of a spy gadget as far as I am concerned. No one should be reproting system crash data to Microsoft!
All the people who have had issues diagnosed by Ranma_Sao going through their crash logs might beg to differ.

[MaXimus]

From my past experience with disableing services.

1) you dont notice ay performance increase

2) your PC doesnt function properly, I got weird effects sometimes with installing some programs like DiskKeeper! It never installed right until I enabled everything! or you might get help with remote assistance, and the list goes on! Dont touch them you wont notice any difference!

[Screwz Luse]

I've been disabling my services for a while, and it helps when you don't have much RAM to start with. Each service takes up oh so much RAM (Hell, the print spooler service takes up 5MB, so if you don't have a printer, it's actually just a waste of RAM) that could be going toward something like Battlefield 2 or whatever else you might need it for. I've disabled a lot of services and have never had any problems... It all depends on a users needs. Just don't start disabling services someone else has, you might need them for your firewall and other various applications.

[KoolDrew]

Don't even bother with disabling services. With computers today with sufficient amount of RAM there is no need to. If a service is not being used, it will use no CPU time and Windows will reclaim its memory as needed.

Just ignore morons like Blackviper.

[eeyrjmr]

Don't even bother with disabling services. With computers today with sufficient amount of RAM there is no need to. If a service is not being used, it will use no CPU time and Windows will reclaim its memory as needed.

Just ignore morons like Blackviper.

How is it going to reclaim memory if it is still running? - IT cant!!!!! cause it is running

[lomn75]

How is it going to reclaim memory if it is still running? - IT cant!!!!! cause it is running
Actually, it can and it does. It gets paged out to the hard drive. We've had thread after thread after thread on this (and most of them get locked), but the evidenced consensus has always been that widespread service tweaking nets no meaningful performance gains past startup.

Here's one of the better summaries (http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1027380985&postcount=15); I'm not going to waste further time dredging up the others. Search "service performance" in this forum and you'll find plenty of stuff.

[MaXimus]

Actually, it can and it does. It gets paged out to the hard drive. We've had thread after thread after thread on this (and most of them get locked), but the evidenced consensus has always been that widespread service tweaking nets no meaningful performance gains past startup.

Here's one of the better summaries (http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1027380985&postcount=15); I'm not going to waste further time dredging up the others. Search "service performance" in this forum and you'll find plenty of stuff.
j00 = sp34k teh truth!!!

[eeyrjmr]

Actually, it can and it does. It gets paged out to the hard drive. We've had thread after thread after thread on this (and most of them get locked), but the evidenced consensus has always been that widespread service tweaking nets no meaningful performance gains past startup.

Here's one of the better summaries (http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1027380985&postcount=15); I'm not going to waste further time dredging up the others. Search "service performance" in this forum and you'll find plenty of stuff.

I never said disabling services good.

What I was questioning was a running program cannot be paged out cause it will request CPU time and thus must be in RAM

[Nimrod]

Disabling services for performance is a joke. I could see if you didn't want like Windows Security to start up but to disable services for performance is stupid.

[Crosshairs]

Just ignore morons like Blackviper.

Best advice ever.....:)

[Ranma_Sao]

Disabling services is a good thing if you know what your doing. Heck, I think it is a good idea for eveyrone to disable Error Reporting. Honestly what good does such a service like Error Reporting going to do for the average home user?? It is more of a spy gadget as far as I am concerned. No one should be reproting system crash data to Microsoft!I apologize Super Mario, but this is the stupidest quote I have ever linked. How do you think Microsoft fixes all those bugs you see fixed in Service packs? Usually from watson reports. How do you think MS was able to point the finger at the video card companies for causing over half the crashes in all of windows? Through watson reporting. I have debugged 100's of watson reports, if not thousands, and it has lead to some neat bugs that I could never ever cause as a tester, since it required Some App, Some magic, Some new CPU I didn't even have when testing Windows XP in 2000.

As to the service argument, I've said all I'm going to say about it. Use the search function. ;)

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

[SkaarjMaster]

"Disabling services is a good thing if you know what your doing."

I agree with this statement and if people want to waste their time disabling services they won't ever need then let them. Blackviper is not a moron and he provides a valuable service to the community. I appreciate that M$ has all these services available for people that want them, but some don't and need some disabled for their systems to run better. My philosophy is if it doesn't need to run on my computer, then it gets disabled or just doesn't run. I'm keeping Error Reporting disabled on my computer. :D

[chinoquezada]

People. Please take your time to read the FAQ.

This issue has been addressed for so long now that all the new people trying to shove their ignorant statements/habits onto us is at most pathetic...

Here's the sum up:

1) Disabling services does nothing to your perfomance, nothing...

2) Services not being used get paged... Once paged they don't use RAM... So disabling ErrorReportingServices for example, not only doesnt help, it actually hinders your computer.

3) Now if security was put onto the discussion, there we could go into a stalemate...

4) BlackViper is the biggest moron/looser/liar there is around the net. His service descriptions are directly copied from Microsoft's description of services... In numerous, and document instances (search function) has his lack of knowledge on service dependancies appeared painfully obvious to all of us...

[chinoquezada]

"Disabling services is a good thing if you know what your doing."

If you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt be disabling anything...


I agree with this statement and if people want to waste their time disabling services they won't ever need then let them. Blackviper is not a moron and he provides a valuable service to the community.

Are we talking about the same person....?
Maybe you should look around a little bit more in the OS forums...


I appreciate that M$ has all these services available for people that want them, but some don't and need some disabled for their systems to run better. My philosophy is if it doesn't need to run on my computer, then it gets disabled or just doesn't run. I'm keeping Error Reporting disabled on my computer. :D
You philosophy isnt wrong.
But most of the Services have dependancies that you need...

And I bet you don't know even half of the dependancies of each service or what service you need running...

[KoolDrew]

If you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt be disabling anything...

This quote is exactly right.

[SkaarjMaster]

Everyone has an opinion. I just don't like any service running that I don't need. I just can't believe you guys are trashing Blackviper like that when he provides a valuable service to the community. People can read his site and make up their own minds what they want to do. OK, so this issue has been beaten to death, except for the fact that the majority opinion is narrow-minded and for the masses that don't know anything about computers. Please don't insult me with your "holier than thou" "If you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt be disabling anything..." attitude. If you can't even acknowledge that disabling some services is a good thing, then really what kind of service are you providing to the community. I know what I'm doing and I choose to disable some services. I'm not even close to the "barebones" services running either, just some that I don't need. I've said my peace. Goodbye.

[SJConsultant]

IMHO, the only good reason for disabling services may be for security reasons and not performance.

[SkaarjMaster]

OK, I just read the FAQ thing people referred to and I think Audiochris said it best:

"Good write up. Here's my take on the whole disabling services thing. If it works for you... that's great. Your computer, your business. I personally don't see the advantages. For my everyday use the defaults are just fine."

I agree that security is probably the best reason, but there are others as well. Personally, I like to have control of my computer and this is my way of doing this and it makes me feel better about my computing experience. I don't like much of the automated stuff that has crept into the computing world over the past few years and try to set everything the way I want it. For instance, I have wireless and UPS services both disabled. If and when I need them, then I will enable them. Since the FAQ is about 2.5 months old, let's just all agree to disagree and that would be fine with me. :D

[Super Mario]

2) Services not being used get paged... Once paged they don't use RAM... So disabling ErrorReportingServices for example, not only doesnt help, it actually hinders your computer.


That is complete BS. So give me one example of how disabling Error Reporting hinder your computer?? That is such a ridiculous statement. Maybe disabling it doesn't help performance much, but did you ever think of the fact that some people don't want spy infested gadgets running? Nothing depends on such a meaningless service expect for sending crash data to Microsoft or someone else. I HATE Error Reporting and it is a service that anyone can safely disable unless they are in the minority few who actually like to submit private crash data from their PC to Microsoft. Not very appealing to many people I assume to being pressured to constantly having their PC talk to MS..

Disabling services strictly for performance gain is not a good idea. But to come off and say that disabling any service is a bad idea if you know what your doing is a completely arrogant and false accusation to blab out at everyone else.

[chinoquezada]

That is complete BS. So give me one example of how disabling Error Reporting hinder your computer?? That is such a ridiculous statement. Maybe disabling it doesn't help performance much, but did you ever think of the fact that some people don't want spy infested gadgets running? Nothing depends on such a meaningless service expect for sending crash data to Microsoft or someone else. I HATE Error Reporting and it is a service that anyone can safely disable unless they are in the minority few who actually like to submit private crash data from their PC to Microsoft. Not very appealing to many people I assume to being pressured to constantly having their PC talk to MS..

Because MS wants to spy on you, right?
They don't intend to help or improve their OS... All they want is your .net passport password and a way to hack into your gmail account... :rolleyes:

Disabling services strictly for performance gain is not a good idea. But to come off and say that disabling any service is a bad idea if you know what your doing is a completely arrogant and false accusation to blab out at everyone else.
1) I blabbed it out in response to him disabling for performance. If you got to read my previous post (to the one you are mentioning) you would have seen item 3.

2) The truth hurts...?

3) Says you! :p

[chinoquezada]

Everyone has an opinion. I just don't like any service running that I don't need. I just can't believe you guys are trashing Blackviper like that when he provides a valuable service to the community. People can read his site and make up their own minds what they want to do. OK, so this issue has been beaten to death, except for the fact that the majority opinion is narrow-minded and for the masses that don't know anything about computers. Ok. If the "masses that don't know anything about computers" should stear clear of QuackDiaper and "the few and the proud who know" don't really want to get anywhere near that idiot.

Where does that put you?

Please don't insult me with your "holier than thou" "If you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt be disabling anything..." attitude. If you can't even acknowledge that disabling some services is a good thing, then really what kind of service are you providing to the community. I know what I'm doing and I choose to disable some services. I'm not even close to the "barebones" services running either, just some that I don't need. I've said my peace. There are no "barebone" services. At some point or the other dependancies will become a problem on an "service disabled" computer...

Aren't you still using sp1 (from another thread...) ? If you would change to sp2 you would have noticed how much improved service memory handling has become. How few services are set to automatic too...

Goodbye. OK, I just read the FAQ thing people referred to and I think Audiochris said it best:

"Good write up. Here's my take on the whole disabling services thing. If it works for you... that's great. Your computer, your business. I personally don't see the advantages. For my everyday use the defaults are just fine."

I agree that security is probably the best reason, but there are others as well. Personally, I like to have control of my computer and this is my way of doing this and it makes me feel better about my computing experience. I don't like much of the automated stuff that has crept into the computing world over the past few years and try to set everything the way I want it. For instance, I have wireless and UPS services both disabled. If and when I need them, then I will enable them. Since the FAQ is about 2.5 months old, let's just all agree to disagree and that would be fine with me. :D Weren't you leaving....?

[SkaarjMaster]

So, how does disabling Error Reporting Service actually hinder a computer's performance? :confused: Can someone please enlighten me with links?

[Super Mario]

Because MS wants to spy on you, right?
They don't intend to help or improve their OS... All they want is your .net passport password and a way to hack into your gmail account...

Yes, I suspect MS does want to spy on you. They have been caught doing so in the past, and I don't trust them.

Even if they don't want to spy on you, I DO NOT want Error Report submission dialog boxes coming up when ever a program crashes or I encounter a critical system error. I can disable certain services to prevent certain things from coming up that I hate. So disabling services is a good thing to stop your OS from doing things you hate as long as you know what your doing.

[odoe]

The whole spy thing is major paranoia. So relax. It's a tool MS uses to determine what breaks things. If you don't want to use it, fine, don't. I'm not going to tell you how to run your system. But calm down about the spy tool stuff. Many don't send those reports and that's their business. Maybe they're afraid it will send info about their pirated Photoshop and somewhere down the line will come back to bite them in the ass (not saying that is your case) but I'm just throwing out guesses here.

Anyway, on the services debate.
This thread (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=914406) will pretty much answer most questions you guys have about it.
For you guys that are like THAT THREAD IS NARROW-MINDED, let me remind you that the OP, O[H]-Zone was very vocal against people who simply stated that disabling services was bad. I hope I'm not putting words in his mouth, and if I misunderstood your position, I apologize. The point is at some point we all finally got past the bickering and found that everyone was basically saying the same thing.

There is a big difference in the benefits of disabling services on home gaming machines and disabling services on critical enterprise servers or workplace desktops. Different needs for different users

Now if you guys want to turn this debate into more argumentive flaming, unfounded trash talking, then we will see these threads closed. We had a good run there where these threads were being discussed in an intelligent manner. I'd like to see that trend continue.

[Super Mario]

So, how does disabling Error Reporting Service actually hinder a computer's performance? :confused: Can someone please enlighten me with links?

It doesn't!! SkaarjMaster was just trying to point out a shortsighed argument that disabling any services is a bad thing. It is NOT if you know what your doing. I disable services to stop Windows from launching something I don't want because I hate it. I don't do it strictly for performance.

[jpmkm]

Yes, I suspect MS does want to spy on you. They have been caught doing so in the past, and I don't trust them.

Even if they don't want to spy on you, I DO NOT want Error Report submission dialog boxes coming up when ever a program crashes or I encounter a critical system error. I can disable certain services to prevent certain things from coming up that I hate. So disabling services is a good thing to stop your OS from doing things you hate as long as you know what your doing.
If you don't trust them then why are you running their operating system? If microsoft really wanted to spy on you then I'm sure they could figure out a way to do it without using the error reporting system.

[Super Mario]

If you don't trust them then why are you running their operating system? If microsoft really wanted to spy on you then I'm sure they could figure out a way to do it without using the error reporting system.

I don't use any MS phone home gadgets including Windows Update. I download all critical security hotfixes from the monthly released security bulletins as individual files and install each one. In the TOS, it indicates that Microsoft can collect information from your PC when using their services that phone home to MS servers. No where in the TOS does it say MS can collect information from your PC without you even knowing it by you just being connected to the Internet and not using any MS phone home gadets. So as long as you esnure all the MS phone home gadgets are completely disabled, I don't think they would legally get away with spying on you. It is easier to convince people to willingly accept the fact that information from their PC will be collected when using the vendor's online services for their software product, than it would be for them to just collect information from your PC without you even knowing it.

[SkaarjMaster]

Anyone have a zipped version of the Threats and Countermeasures Guide? Why does it have to be an .exe? :confused:

[SJConsultant]

Anyone have a zipped version of the Threats and Countermeasures Guide? Why does it have to be an .exe? :confused:

It's a self extracting file. It won't "install" anything. In fact it compressed using Winzip.

[SkaarjMaster]

Just curious. Thanks. I'll try to look at it now.

Also, a google search for error reporting service brings up these first 3 links:
http://www.theeldergeek.com/error_reporting_service.htm

http://www.iamnotageek.com/a/91-p1.php

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/WERHelp.mspx

[chinoquezada]

I DO NOT want Error Report submission dialog boxes coming up when ever a program crashes or I encounter a critical system error. I can disable certain services to prevent certain things from coming up that I hate. So disabling services is a good thing to stop your OS from doing things you hate as long as you know what your doing. Well lookie here...

http://images.dr3vil.com/uploads/lookie.jpg

The good people at Redmond included the option just for you...

[SkaarjMaster]

What happens if you check that box that says "but notify me when critical errors occur" and error reporting is still disabled? Does this mean it notifies the user only and doesn't send it over the Internet?

[Super Mario]

Well lookie here...

http://images.dr3vil.com/uploads/lookie.jpg

The good people at Redmond included the option just for you...

I disable it that way to as well as disable the service. I even disable it in the registry. I just hate Error Reproting and dialog boxes will come up unless you disable Error Reproting in all areas of the OS.

[chinoquezada]

I disable it that way to as well as disable the service. I even disable it in the registry. I just hate Error Reproting and dialog boxes will come up unless you disable Error Reproting in all areas of the OS.
False.

[Super Mario]

False.

It happens for me. Heck, Microsoft makes their other applications include a separate error reporting feature so you not only have to disable Error Reporting in Windows XP, but in the registry for the MS specific applications as well. Turning off Error reporting will not stop individual MS applications from poping up with an Error Report dialog box when they crash. They probably do that because they want to try and make it as painful for you as possible to shut off error reporting completely. I HATE error reporting and I disable it in every way possible.

[chinoquezada]

It happens for me. Heck, Microsoft makes their other applications include a separate error reporting feature so you not only have to disable Error Reporting in Windows XP, but in the registry for the MS specific applications as well. Turning off Error reporting will not stop individual MS applications from poping up with an Error Report dialog box when they crash. They probably do that because they want to try and make it as painful for you as possible to shut off error reporting completely. I HATE error reporting and I disable it in every way possible.
Show us a pic please...

[Super Mario]

Show us a pic please...

Tell me something I can do that will definitely make an application crash. I know for a fact that it happens with Office, Internet Explorer, and other MS apps.

[djnes]

Tell me something I can do that will definitely make an application crash. I know for a fact that it happens with Office, Internet Explorer, and other MS apps.
If you follow the screen captures above, you will not see any more error reporting pop-ups. You might want to consider admitting defeat, spend your efforts learning more about the subject, and bring this thread back to being a positive resources, rather than a bitch-fest. I've read through the entire thread, and most of the others have posted correct information about how disabling services is a joke. That's a fact, and it's been beaten to death. No need to argue it anymore.

[SkaarjMaster]

"disabling services is a joke"

No, this is not a fact but merely an opinion. You have to at least acknowledge that. If you can acknowledge that, then I can acknowledge that most people don't need to disable services. I do appreciate the help I get in this forum, but to totally and outright continue to tell everyone to not disable any services is wrong.

[djnes]

"disabling services is a joke"

No, this is not a fact but merely an opinion. You have to at least acknowledge that. If you can acknowledge that, then I can acknowledge that most people don't need to disable services. I do appreciate the help I get in this forum, but to totally and outright continue to tell everyone to not disable any services is wrong.
It's a fact, pure and simple. When you have a MS developer explain it, and provide links clearly explaining how services work, and why disabling an unused service doesn't do anything for you, it is a fact. As others have said before, this topic is a sticky, and should be read if you still think disabling services has any benefit.

[SJConsultant]

Not that this is "indisputable", but an [H] member decided to test (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=949295) some performance tweaks across low, midrange, and high level systems

[Joves]

What happens if you check that box that says "but notify me when critical errors occur" and error reporting is still disabled? Does this mean it notifies the user only and doesn't send it over the Internet?
Yes it will inform you of errors and, not send them via the internet. Even when you do send an error report it is strictly a voluntary thing. If you really want to see the errors, then just use you admin tools. It has all the codes and, the nature of the error in there. I personally send my error codes in. If MS really wanted to get the info on whats on my system then, all they had to do was add a back door to the OS. Bill Gates doesnt give a ratsass what you are doing, he already has your cash.
Closing out services is of no appreciable gain in XP. That was not the case in the older OSes. For example in 98 Satan Edition or, Moron Edition. Disabling all but the system tray and, explorer was a great benefit. This was especially true of installs and. game playing. You can always go into safe mode for installs now, if you are having problems. That has worked for me 90% of the time.

[{bmf}CrackSmoke]

If you download a program called XP Smoker Pro, it will do it all for you with its "Game Boost" feature. I noticed alot of performance I didnt even know i had. Try it out and let me know how it worked for you

[SkaarjMaster]

Joves, thanks for the info.

Let's just agree to disagree on this issue then. I've already given my reasons for disabling services and it is a benefit to me. I've seen the tests, but to come out and say this is a fact and there is no benefit is just plain arrogance.

[Nimrod]

Im never going to take any advice from SkaarjMaster in the future.

[djnes]

If you download a program called XP Smoker Pro, it will do it all for you with its "Game Boost" feature. I noticed alot of performance I didnt even know i had. Try it out and let me know how it worked for you
That has gimmick written all over it. It's almost identical to tons of other apps that claim to do the same thing, but do not. One very simple clue is that the website for it doesn't explain anything in detail, in terms of how performance is gained. Nothing they list really pertains to performance, either.

What you're seeing is known as the "Placebo Effect".

[chinoquezada]

Let's just agree to disagree on this issue then.
fine by me :)

[Super Mario]

If you follow the screen captures above, you will not see any more error reporting pop-ups. You might want to consider admitting defeat, spend your efforts learning more about the subject, and bring this thread back to being a positive resources, rather than a bitch-fest. I've read through the entire thread, and most of the others have posted correct information about how disabling services is a joke. That's a fact, and it's been beaten to death. No need to argue it anymore.

I hate Error Reporting and will do everything I can to ensure it does not come up. Maybe just disabling it through System properties is enough, but I don't want the service running either. Nothing else uses that service expect Error Reporting.

Heck, I make a custom install of Windows XP and remove the Error Reporting service so its not even there and can't be started.

Use nlite to strip out unnecessary bloat from Windows XP installation source files: http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.html

[chinoquezada]

I hate Error Reporting and will do everything I can to ensure it does not come up. Maybe just disabling it through System properties is enough, but I don't want the service running either. Nothing else uses that service expect Error Reporting.

Heck, I make a custom install of Windows XP and remove the Error Reporting service so its not even there and can't be started.

Yes but you should take note that the service memory usage is occupied in the pagefile rather than your system memory.

So it's like trying to loose weight by not eating celery...

[Super Mario]

Yes but you should take note that the service memory usage is occupied in the pagefile rather than your system memory.

So it's like trying to loose weight by not eating celery...

True, but I don't disable it to gain more system performance. I disable it because I don't want it there.

[SkaarjMaster]

"Im never going to take any advice from SkaarjMaster in the future."

Your loss. :rolleyes:

Probably the best thing to do though is just agree to disagree and let this thread die. We all know why some of us disable services and we all know why some of us don't disable services. :D

[djnes]

"Im never going to take any advice from SkaarjMaster in the future."

Your loss. :rolleyes:

Probably the best thing to do though is just agree to disagree and let this thread die. We all know why some of us disable services and we all know why some of us don't disable services. :D
We can all agree to disagree, but you're still ignoring the sticky with facts, yes facts. I'm still at a loss as to how or why anyone can even argue this point anymore. Read the sticky. Also, in case you haven't seen it, there is a quote button...lower right of each post.

[SkaarjMaster]

I use the quote button when it is necessary and that is my choice. If the quote is for something very near the last post, then I usually don't use it.

I'm not ignoring the sticky with facts. Please read what I said earlier in the thread again and just drop it. :rolleyes:
"My philosophy is if it doesn't need to run on my computer, then it gets disabled or just doesn't run."
"I just don't like any service running that I don't need."
"I know what I'm doing and I choose to disable some services."

Once again, it is a personal choice and if I need something to run later that depends on a service then I'll enable that service. When I need it, I'll enable it. It's that simple for me! Can we let it rest now?

[djnes]

Sure, we can let it rest. Just keep in mind it's the equivalent of sticking a big red R on my car. It does absolutely nothing for performance, and it wastes my time in the application. Those services aren't harming a damn thing, so we even bother? That's the logic you're missing here. It's you're own PC, so if you wish to do something pointless, go right ahead. Just don't post in future threads on this subject that it's okay to disable services. It's not good advice, and it can create problems for the user in question. What you do on your own PC is fine....it's the advice given to others that is important.

[SkaarjMaster]

I'll tell others whatever I feel like telling them, whether in this forum or not. Thank you. :rolleyes: You sure have a funny way of letting this thread die. I'm done, are you?

[djnes]

I'll tell others whatever I feel like telling them, whether in this forum or not. Thank you.
I've been done about the services for quite some time. Nothing more was needed, ever since the sticky went up. The problem remains is people with an attitude like you have. You'll tell them whatever you feel like, even if the advice isn't what's best for the user asking the question? Wonderful. That's exactly what we need around here. People giving bad advice and false info.

[SkaarjMaster]

Well, when people like you give people narrow-minded advice and don't let them know all the options open to them, then I guess there has to be someone around to balance that. Don't be so f-ing paranoid, djnes. Just so you must know, I'm not going to tell someone to do something without telling them how to reverse it. And telling someone all the options open is not bad advice. This thread is getting pretty ridiculous and is screaming to be locked. :rolleyes:

[jpmkm]

Well, when people like you give people narrow-minded advice and don't let them know all the options open to them, then I guess there has to be someone around to balance that. Don't be so f-ing paranoid, djnes. Just so you must know, I'm not going to tell someone to do something without telling them how to reverse it. And telling someone all the options open is not bad advice. This thread is getting pretty ridiculous and is screaming to be locked. :rolleyes:
He is not giving narrowminded advice. He is giving advice that will be applicable to most people most of the time. You are giving advice that is specific to you and your situation. It's okay to present your ideas, but don't keep fighting it. This is not SkaarjMaster's personal system configuration thread; it is for the benefit of the forum, and you constantly fighting isn't helping anything. And in closing, telling people options that are pointless or wrong is actually giving them bad advice.

[djnes]

Well, when people like you give people narrow-minded advice and don't let them know all the options open to them, then I guess there has to be someone around to balance that. Don't be so f-ing paranoid, djnes. Just so you must know, I'm not going to tell someone to do something without telling them how to reverse it. And telling someone all the options open is not bad advice. This thread is getting pretty ridiculous and is screaming to be locked. :rolleyes:
I would hope you wouldn't give someone bad advice on purpose. That was not my point. You're missing the fact that you continued to argue with people, even after they proved you wrong. Debating is great, but continuing dead arguments doesn't help anyone. Take it as a learning experience, and move on. That was the point of having this topic made a sticky. It's been debated, the truth was posted in the form of a sticky, with the sole purpose of avoiding these debates in the future.

[SkaarjMaster]

First of all, giving people options is not pointless or wrong. Second, no one has proved me wrong as I have not stated anything about performance gains or stability. Third, I'm not fighting anything but when people can't admit that there is another option out there for people like me that don't want unnecessary services running, then they are not helping the community out at all. All I'm trying to point out is that unwanted services can still be disabled if that's what someone really wants to do. Read all the documentation and then make that decision for yourself. Fourth, you guys have a one-sided view of the truth. Fifth, I think that pretty much sums it up. Believe what you want to believe and I'll do the same. Peace. :)

[odoe]

This is why we can't have nice things.

Bicker, squabble, nitpick. You guys are just regurgitating the same stuff back and forth to each other.

So disabling services has minimal to no performance gain. I wouldn't be so quick to say this is absololute, older systems might benefit, some might not.

You don't like a service, so disable it. I have absolutely no issue with this. You're not going for performance, you're going for customization. I don't see what the problem is with this.

I was going to lock the thread down, but if you guys wish to carry out some decent conversation please do so. If you want to keep throwing this ball around the schoolyard, I'm going to lock up the playground.

[Screwz Luse]

Not too mention performance isn't everything. Security becomes an issue at times. Why would the average professional user want Remote Registry running (pre-SP2, I know)? There's just some services that are just a waste to have running if you're a security nut. There's a lot of people that preach about having a firewall and virus scanner and adware scanner and then have back door services running....

It's your preference. As long as people are careful about what services that are disabling, then it shouldn't matter. If someone is going to go around disabling all their services, then so be it. I hope their happy with a large brick.