Nintendo 21?? (AKA Revolution)

[Michael.R]

I was looking for more rumors on the Nintendo Revolution and I stumbled upon a post in the Half Life 2 Forums.

Here is some links to possible linked information.

Link (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/index.php?p=137)
Link (http://cube.ign.com/articles/583/583559p1.html)

I will quote some of the first link for you but the second link to IGN is to much to post but its a great read so I recomend you definatly read it.


- Name of machine is “Nintendo 21″
- planned for release at end of 2005
- medium is 2-sided 8cm disc, 5.4GB capacity, in a shellcase
- includes “Home Game function” which uses IEEE protocol to locate and communicate with other Nintendo 21s in the vicinity
- “Home Game function” is free, connect the AC adaptor and the machine talks to nearby Nintendo 21s and “Nintendo Home"s (? could be Form instead of Home - katakana is vague). Save data is stored on the main unit and affects other machines over the network.
- “Nintendo Home” machine is like a base station that will be put in many places and uses the PHS network for communication (popular mobile phone network). Will connect to handheld game machines and supports “Home Game function", also sends latest info from Nintendo.
- “Nintendo Home” is being jointly developed with Kyosera.
- controller is like GC controller but “rubbing” is possible - e.g. you can control movement in a game by rubbing the controller/buttons. Also the controller has a slot.
- The whole controller is pressure sensitive. So rubbing can be done with the buttons or via grip.
- Digital outputs included


I like that if you have two Nintendo 21's you will be able to save you game and it will affect other Nintendo's in the house. I know it would come in handy for me and my friends, but there could be some possible side affects. Such as what if you are at university and you have a dozen Nintendo's within a vicinity of 100 yards and you dont want other peoples save games on your system. Im sure there will be an option to turn this off though, or you could have profiles for each Nintendo system.. I could not just understand this home game thing correctly though. But it does sound cool. (after just seeing the my wife deleted super smash bros thread, I hope that Nintendo implements a feature so that only the correct user can delete his/her own game profiles)

I wonder if Nintendo will be charging for online game play because they said the home game function is free. I see no reason why it wouldnt be free, but it leads me to wonder if you will be paying for online play for games.. I would appreciate it if Nintendo didnt make you pay to play online. However I really like what Microsoft did with xbox live and I dont mind paying a monthly fee for that.

Pressure sensitive controllers. :D It sounds cool I want to try this out so badly. I am definatly going to buy this system. I didnt buy a gamecube but I will be buying this for sure. However these controllers will either be a hit or a miss thing for the console. Im sure it will be a huge turn off for some people and a huge turn on for others.

I dont think that you will need the Nintendo 21 to play online with the DS but I think you will need it for the succesor of gameboy to play online. (just speculation) My reason is because - “Nintendo Home” machine is like a base station that will be put in many places and uses the PHS network for communication (popular mobile phone network). Will connect to handheld game machines and supports “Home Game function", also sends latest info from Nintendo.

I stress again that you should read the IGN article also.

[Terpfen]

Gamespot's Rumor Control column (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/01/28/news_6117482.html) also mentions this thing.

I know Nintendo has made a metric ton of bad design decisions in the past, but I can't really believe this one. If this is true, I hope it was just a concept, one of many, and will ultimately be rejected in favor of something with a name and design that doesn't suck.

[Michael.R]

can you elaborate on why you think that??

I realize the name is kinda shitty but the console itself does seem like its got some promising features. The one thing I am up in the air on still is the controller. Howevor the Revolution is supposed to be backwards compatible with the Gamecube so the controller wont be completly different. I will welcome change with open arms though. If you go to the gamespy forums alot of them seem to be afraid of change but I would be more then happy to give it a chance.

[obyj34]

Pressure sensitivity sounds like a nice feature and all, but it really shouldn't be a "selling" point, it just doesn't seem all too special. That to me would be a huge, huge letdown. So as for this: I don't believe.

[Michael.R]

Well I dont think it will be a selling point. And I think Nintendo knows that. You should be able to play games just like to can on any other console but for a developer that thinks pressure sensitivity will add to gameplay then its their if they choose to use it.

[fromage]

The fact that they're developing with Kyosera means that this Nintendo 21 is going to spontaneous combust right infront of your eyes...

[Terpfen]

can you elaborate on why you think that??

Yes, because it would be a marketing failure. Imagine the ads: "Buy the Nintendo 21!" It doesn't work. The sketch with all four sides of the machine emblazoned with the number 21 looks ridiculous. This is almost like an Onion article.

Moving on... that supposed new medium looks fake as hell. Can we say "the optical disk from Metal Gear Solid?" The resemblance is uncanny.

The supposed feature whereby the Nintendo 21 will detect other Nintendo 21s in the vicinity screams BS--I can only see this working in the sardine-like apartment buildings of Tokyo and nowhere else. Given how Nintendo doesn't want anything to do with online gaming, it'd be a victory just to get an Ethernet jack.

Nintendo's said repeatedly that they're going to try to expand their products' demographic appeal--their handheld strategy basically boils down to "GBA SP for kids, DS for everyone else." Unless they decided to throw that strategy out the window and go back to marketing to kids, well, let's just say that no right-minded adult is going to boast about having a "Nintendo 21" cube-thing in their home entertainment center.

[Torgo]

The whole controller is pressure sensitive. So rubbing can be done with the buttons or via grip..
Heh heh... rubbing. I can't wait to see what kind of games use that functionality. :D

[Metallica_Band]

Heh heh... rubbing. I can't wait to see what kind of games use that functionality. :DWhy do I need another "controller" to "rub"??? I got one built in...:D

[Deadguy]

The sketch with all four sides of the machine emblazoned with the number 21 looks ridiculous.

that supposed new medium looks fake as hell. Can we say "the optical disk from Metal Gear Solid?" The resemblance is uncanny.

The supposed feature whereby the Nintendo 21 will detect other Nintendo 21s in the vicinity screams BS--I can only see this working in the sardine-like apartment buildings of Tokyo and nowhere else. Given how Nintendo doesn't want anything to do with online gaming, it'd be a victory just to get an Ethernet jack.

Nintendo's said repeatedly that they're going to try to expand their products' demographic appeal--their handheld strategy basically boils down to "GBA SP for kids, DS for everyone else." Unless they decided to throw that strategy out the window and go back to marketing to kids, well, let's just say that no right-minded adult is going to boast about having a "Nintendo 21" cube-thing in their home entertainment center.

okokok apparantly youre a skeptic, as well as a bad reader.

the cube w/ the 21s on it is a logo akin to the N logo of the n64....

uhhh can we say minidisc which has be in use for like 5 years now.... (ps the minidisc was recently expanded for high capacity storage making it a suitable type medium for gaming considering the durability and longevity of the format)

the "detects other machines in the vicinity" feature could work well as long as the proper wireless protocols are used, since there is at least 5 networks in my neighborhood alone that i can get free wireless access to. also this feature caught my attention because of how totally great it would be to play multiplayer w/ other people in your neighborhood w/o even knowing them personally...

and in the article it also refers to connectivity to a future gameboy which would negate your theory on their so called "dual marketing strategy", and what does that have to do w/ the new console anyway???

oh well

if any of this crap is true then i would probably get one. ( as long as it has good game mind you :) )

[Add 'em]

I really do hope online is free. And that might make sense because Nintendo has often stated in the past that the majority of gamers are not willing to pay for online play. (Well, here's to hoping...)

[figgie]

okokok apparantly youre a skeptic, as well as a bad reader.

the cube w/ the 21s on it is a logo akin to the N logo of the n64....

uhhh can we say minidisc which has be in use for like 5 years now.... (ps the minidisc was recently expanded for high capacity storage making it a suitable type medium for gaming considering the durability and longevity of the format)

the "detects other machines in the vicinity" feature could work well as long as the proper wireless protocols are used, since there is at least 5 networks in my neighborhood alone that i can get free wireless access to. also this feature caught my attention because of how totally great it would be to play multiplayer w/ other people in your neighborhood w/o even knowing them personally...

and in the article it also refers to connectivity to a future gameboy which would negate your theory on their so called "dual marketing strategy", and what does that have to do w/ the new console anyway???

oh well

if any of this crap is true then i would probably get one. ( as long as it has good game mind you :) )

err not for anything but Minidisc = sony = Playstation/playstation2/playstation3/COMPETITOR to Nintendo. Now why WOULD Sony approve Big N to use Minidisc for games????

[jfnirvana292]

err not for anything but Minidisc = sony = Playstation/playstation2/playstation3/COMPETITOR to Nintendo. Now why WOULD Sony approve Big N to use Minidisc for games????


the real question should be: Why would Nintendo use Sony propriatary media?

[Genocidal]

Actually the REAL question is....why bother?

Everytime they put out a new system most of the software is rehashed garbage. Yay..another mario, donkey kong, zelda, f-zero, starfox, ect ect. Sure there are a few creative titles, but they are far and wide. Nintendo should just stick to the portable market and forget about consoles.

[Add 'em]

Actually the REAL question is....why bother?

Everytime they put out a new system most of the software is rehashed garbage. Yay..another mario, donkey kong, zelda, f-zero, starfox, ect ect. Sure there are a few creative titles, but they are far and wide. Nintendo should just stick to the portable market and forget about consoles.


Just another Mario? Another Zelda? Hardly. Those franchises are some of the best games ever created. Zelda: Ocarina of Time is regarded by many to be the best game ever. If you want Nintendo-branded portable "creativity" buy the DS and get back to us when your hand cramps up after using the stylus for 15 minutes. I wouldn't give up any of my Nintendo consoles.

[jfnirvana292]

Just another Mario? Another Zelda? Hardly. Those franchises are some of the best games ever created. Zelda: Ocarina of Time is regarded by many to be the best game ever. If you want Nintendo-branded portable "creativity" buy the DS and get back to us when your hand cramps up after using the stylus for 15 minutes. I wouldn't give up any of my Nintendo consoles.


QFT, except i love my DS

[Add 'em]

QFT, except i love my DS

To each his own. Luckily for Nintendo, the DS does seems to be selling well...

[Deadguy]

i was just pointing out that media like that have been out for years and that its not some sci-fi creation that was just taken from metal gear

[Deadguy]

Actually the REAL question is....why bother?

Everytime they put out a new system most of the software is rehashed garbage. Yay..another mario, donkey kong, zelda, f-zero, starfox, ect ect. Sure there are a few creative titles, but they are far and wide. Nintendo should just stick to the portable market and forget about consoles.

well think about it.... sony and microsoft dont even make games, so where is the logic there.

nintendo is the only company in the market who has innovative and robust hardware as well as makes quality and fun games.

yeah some of the franchises might be a little long in the tooth but that does not mean that they should be discounted

i mean what first party franchises does sony have? mgs=no gta=no finalfantasy=no

and microsoft as well, though they actually have some: halo=no doa=no pgr&amped=yes

so yeah and considering that both companies make billions aside from the console market if anyone should quit it should be them since they have no new ideas to contribute, only lots of extra money to throw around.

[Terpfen]

okokok apparantly youre a skeptic, as well as a bad reader.

Yes and no. I'm skeptical enough of Nintendo's console efforts since the N64 to actually believe this Nintendo 21 deal, and that depresses the hell out of me. The SNES is still my most favorite console, and it pains me to see Nintendo blindly groping for new ideas, ala a drunken frat boy locked in a closet with a passed-out chick.


the cube w/ the 21s on it is a logo akin to the N logo of the n64....

The N64 had one logo, on the front, in a small plastic-covered section. The sketch in question HAS THE LOGO TOP TO BOTTOM ON THREE SIDES OF THE MACHINE!


uhhh can we say minidisc which has be in use for like 5 years now.... (ps the minidisc was recently expanded for high capacity storage making it a suitable type medium for gaming considering the durability and longevity of the format)

Other people have already refuted this idiocy.


the "detects other machines in the vicinity" feature could work well as long as the proper wireless protocols are used, since there is at least 5 networks in my neighborhood alone that i can get free wireless access to. also this feature caught my attention because of how totally great it would be to play multiplayer w/ other people in your neighborhood w/o even knowing them personally...

I'm not doubting the technical aspects of it. I'm doubting its usefulness. Who can't read?


and in the article it also refers to connectivity to a future gameboy which would negate your theory on their so called "dual marketing strategy", and what does that have to do w/ the new console anyway???

Put two and two together. If Nintendo is aiming for a broader demographic in a market it owns (portables), why the heck wouldn't they go for a broader demographic in the console market, where they're in last place? In this situation, either their publically-stated and pursued goals are BS, or the Nintendo 21 is BS. I'm hoping this Nintendo 21 thing is BS, and Nintendo actually has some good ideas for its next-generation console (rubbable controllers? WTF?)

[Kadarom Douhrek]

The N64 had one logo, on the front, in a small plastic-covered section. The sketch in question HAS THE LOGO TOP TO BOTTOM ON THREE SIDES OF THE MACHINE!
And what did this logo look like?
That's right, three N's assembled as if sides of a cube.
Hmm, kinda reminds me of something in those pictures. :rolleyes:

[Terpfen]

And what did this logo look like?
That's right, three N's assembled as if sides of a cube.
Hmm, kinda reminds me of something in those pictures. :rolleyes:

Okay, apparently I'm not being clear.

I'm not complaining about the logo.

I'm complaining that the logo is EVERYWHERE.

[Deadguy]

arg cmon now

the sketch is of the logo....... just the logo not the machine............you see it now right

and yeah i dont think the pressure controllers will work either but i dont know for sure since i thought the same thing about a touch screen gameboy

oh and that thing about the frat guy and the passed out chick.........that was funny :)

[kick@ss]

Okay, apparently I'm not being clear.

I'm not complaining about the logo.

I'm complaining that the logo is EVERYWHERE.
Who cares what it looks like. As long as the system and games don't suck, that's the only thing that matters.

[Terpfen]

Who cares what it looks like. As long as the system and games don't suck, that's the only thing that matters.

Tell this to home theater gamers--you know, the people who complain about the Xbox because it looks like some 1980s reject and doesn't fit into their component shelves very stylishly.

Sorry, but pleasing aesthetics in console design is important now. Consoles need to front-load, they need to run quietly, and they need to blend in with DVD players, TiVos, and whatever else is attached to the TV. I guarantee you that one reason the Gamecube has only succeeded with kids is because it looks like a lunchbox.

[Deadguy]

home theatre gamers?? is there really a group called that? what do they do that puts them in that category?

strange

[Terpfen]

home theatre gamers?? is there really a group called that? what do they do that puts them in that category?

strange

Not strange at all. Home theater gamers are the ones who own home theaters--large-size widescreen TVs, surround sound systems, things like that. In other words, they're gamers with jobs and space to put large systems at. No one with a 42'' widescreen is going to want a kiddie-looking Nintendo 21 on the shelf below their high-end DVD player--assuming it would even fit on those access racks. It's the same mentality everyone brings to this board: you want the best PC gaming rig with the biggest monitor and best speaker setup. The difference is, these people care what their cases look like.

[kick@ss]

Not strange at all. Home theater gamers are the ones who own home theaters--large-size widescreen TVs, surround sound systems, things like that. In other words, they're gamers with jobs and space to put large systems at. No one with a 42'' widescreen is going to want a kiddie-looking Nintendo 21 on the shelf below their high-end DVD player--assuming it would even fit on those access racks. It's the same mentality everyone brings to this board: you want the best PC gaming rig with the biggest monitor and best speaker setup. The difference is, these people care what their cases look like.I have a home theater and the appearance of the GC never crossed my mind ever, even remotely.

[Kadarom Douhrek]

Okay, apparently I'm not being clear.

I'm not complaining about the logo.

I'm complaining that the logo is EVERYWHERE.
Again, what did the N64 logo look like?
Now, where is there a logo on any hardware in that drawing?

[mr.fishie]

I could care less how the system looks as long as it has good games. I'm excited for the new nintendo.....and xbox next.....and ps3.

[Terpfen]

I have a home theater and the appearance of the GC never crossed my mind ever, even remotely.

As far as I can tell, you're in the minority.


Again, what did the N64 logo look like?

I've already said what my problem with the design is. Go back and read my posts.

[Kadarom Douhrek]

As far as I can tell, you're in the minority.




I've already said what my problem with the design is. Go back and read my posts.
You forgot to answer my second question, or are you really not that bright? :confused:

[Terpfen]

You forgot to answer my second question, or are you really not that bright? :confused:

Well, now you're just trolling me. Knock it off.

[Deadguy]

terpfen you really seem like and excitable kind of guy :)

im sure that just about everyone understands that the 21cube image on the page was simply the logo and not what the machine itself looks like, so theres no need to argue about it.

and the whole home theatre gamer thing..... thats weird, seriously only a stuck up yuppie priss w/ more money than intelligence would buy a bunch of home theatre stuff cause it looks pretty and not buy a game system because it doesnt "mesh" w/ the design of the other equipment.

so i really think that whole thing is just in your head, not saying there arent people who care if it matches but you could just as easily put it in a cabinet or put it away when not in use.

[Ruffian998]

Pressure sensitive controllers. :D It sounds cool I want to try this out so badly.


Supposedly, the PS2 has pressure sensitive controllers. That was one of the big things when it came out I believe.

[Deadguy]

i dont think they are saying that its analog buttons like the dualshock2

maybe more like you grip the control and something happens

not sure though

[Terpfen]

terpfen you really seem like and excitable kind of guy :)

im sure that just about everyone understands that the 21cube image on the page was simply the logo and not what the machine itself looks like, so theres no need to argue about it.

Tell that to Kadarom.

and the whole home theatre gamer thing..... thats weird, seriously only a stuck up yuppie priss w/ more money than intelligence would buy a bunch of home theatre stuff cause it looks pretty and not buy a game system because it doesnt "mesh" w/ the design of the other equipment.

Sorry, but these people do exist. Most people simply don't want something that looks like a purple lunchbox sitting next to their DVD player.


so i really think that whole thing is just in your head, not saying there arent people who care if it matches but you could just as easily put it in a cabinet or put it away when not in use.

Well, the point with HTs is to have all your components on one or two cabinets. That means a minimum of space on each shelf. The point with consoles is that you put them down and never or rarely move them (one reason why I don't get the whole "lol XBOX IS HUGE" thing--you never move it, why complain about its size?) So you can't really "put it away when not in use."

[ECM]

Sorry, but these people do exist. Most people simply don't want something that looks like a purple lunchbox sitting next to their DVD player.


OK, this is the second time you've said that and it is flat-out wrong: I (and at least 3 other friends) are these mystical "home theater gamers" that everyone keeps talking about. All of us have 50"+ widescreen HD displays, hooked up to room-rockin' sound systems, on gorgeous brushed metal racks/stands/etc. and we ALL have indigo "lunchboxes" in our racks (also note that they aren't hidden in a cabinet but are right out there in the open for everyone to see).

A more pressing concern for "HT gamers" is the lack of 480p and widescreen support in console games (Cube, especially), with the "lunchbox" theory accounting for a feeble amount of lost sales (especially when Nintendo makes more than just indigo/purple units)...

[Terpfen]

OK, this is the second time you've said that and it is flat-out wrong: I (and at least 3 other friends) are these mystical "home theater gamers" that everyone keeps talking about. All of us have 50"+ widescreen HD displays, hooked up to room-rockin' sound systems, on gorgeous brushed metal racks/stands/etc. and we ALL have indigo "lunchboxes" in our racks (also note that they aren't hidden in a cabinet but are right out there in the open for everyone to see).

And I know two people who refuse to buy a Cube because of its aesthetics. It's always possible to pull out some type of support using the friend argument--that's not the point. These people do exist. I'm not any more "wrong" than you are in this case.


A more pressing concern for "HT gamers" is the lack of 480p and widescreen support in console games (Cube, especially), with the "lunchbox" theory accounting for a feeble amount of lost sales (especially when Nintendo makes more than just indigo/purple units)...

Lack of 480p isn't a big deal. It's lack of 720p and 1080i that's hurting that HT investment more. Thankfully, the next-generation is going to fix that, since consoles will finally have the power to drive a good-looking game at 1080i.

Personally, I waited until the black Gamecube came out before I bought one. The idea isn't that Nintendo lost sales because of the lunchbox--it's that those sales were never even considered.

[tazz]

after reading this about the new nintendo console.
i will not buy it.
it sounds kinda chessy.
i will stick with my pc and xbox 2 and my game cube

[7718]

I guess i'm a "home theater gamer" I have a 51" sony HDTV, with a sony 6.1 reciever and a long rectangular living room ideal for proper surround sound speaker placement. I have a kiddie looking gamecube sitting next to my dreamcast and XBox, and i'm sure i'll probably end up getting a n5 eventually as long as they put out another good mariokart game on it. I get the systems with the games i want to play on them, i don't really care how retarted the styling is to the thing (big ugly XBox) as long as it has great games to play.

[Kadarom Douhrek]

Very well Terpfen.
If it makes you feel better to avoid admitting you were wrong on something so trivial and stupid as a hand-sketched-from-memory-possible-non-final-future-console-logo design, then stroke away.

[Metallica_Band]

To Terpfen and Kadarom Douhrek:
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/indifferent.gif.....:rolleyes:

[Deadguy]

lol

and the cube does have 480p you just hold b when it boots