400GB hard drive on preoder at buy.com

[codeflux]

400GB hard drive on preoder at buy.com (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10374092&SearchEngine=PriceWatch&SearchTerm=10374092&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=1688)

anyone else wants one? i want 2. 2!!! wanna wanna wanna.

[IceDigger]

mmmmmmm

[[H]arls]

400GB, wow. Imagine all the err..."stuff" you could store on that! I thought my 200GB was the bees knees, now I feel inadequate :(

[wangFu]

i wish i could afford that...

[Glyphic]

Sucks that thing is priced at $1 per gb, ugh

[The Titan]

Ya know, I would love one of those, but yes 1) that is expensive and 2) I dont have the ability to fill HALF of that. Would be nice if WD and maxtor would catch the hell up already.

[O[H]-Zone]

Ya know, I would love one of those, but yes 1) that is expensive and 2) I dont have the ability to fill HALF of that. Would be nice if WD and maxtor would catch the hell up already.
While I would never tell you what you own needs are, I can tell you from experience...it doesn't matter how much room I have; I always seem to fill it. I have 900GB in this machine...and I could use more. But then again, I do a lot of DV video editing, and that eats space. Tools, laundry and digital data always seem to expand to fill the space they're in!

[LadyJaqie]

I have a 120GB in a file server thats brimming full, along with some 50GB of raid 50 in this box. I would like to put about 4 250GB into the server, but that's about all i really want... I dont want a 400GBer just yet.

[The Titan]

-Zone']While I would never tell you what you own needs are, I can tell you from experience...it doesn't matter how much room I have; I always seem to fill it. I have 900GB in this machine...and I could use more. But then again, I do a lot of DV video editing, and that eats space. Tools, laundry and digital data always seem to expand to fill the space they're in!Yes but I have to factor in that I do absolutely NONE of that. ;) Hell I have a 120 and that isnt even full.

[[Tripod]MajorPayne]

For that price, you could by 2 250 GB drives and have more storage space.

[codeflux]

the reason i'm looking at 400gb drives is because i want to build a SFF box (shuttle, most likely) with two of 400gb in RAID1. don't want a huge computer anymore... and yes, btw, my 4x200gb (2xRAID1) are almost full, but mostly with crap i can delete. well, ok, maybe 20% of crap i can delete. still enough room.

[EnderW]

the reason i'm looking at 400gb drives is because i want to build a SFF box (shuttle, most likely) with two of 400gb in RAID1. don't want a huge computer anymore... and yes, btw, my 4x200gb (2xRAID1) are almost full, but mostly with crap i can delete. well, ok, maybe 20% of crap i can delete. still enough room.
yeah that would be sweet, but the cost is really impractical

it's over $1 per GB compared to the 250GB drives out right now that you can get for around $0.50 per GB

[tiebird321]

for that price i BOUGHT 4 200gb 7200rpm 8mb drives
and a used adaptec raid 5 pata card
($85 each for the drives and $80 for the card)
so i have 600gb of fully backed up space for the same price.....

when they price them for under $250 each i will be impresed

[BEST JD TCR]

400GB hard drive on preoder at buy.com (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10374092&SearchEngine=PriceWatch&SearchTerm=10374092&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=1688)

anyone else wants one? i want 2. 2!!! wanna wanna wanna. be careful windows XP only supports 137gb hard drive space. If you really want a 400gb HD
you will need the media edtion.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013

[wangFu]

be careful windows XP only supports 137gb hard drive space. If you really want a 400gb HD
you will need the media edtion.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013
or either serpvice pack 1 or 2
its not an issue anymore, everyone is getting bigger and bigger drives

[EnderW]

be careful windows XP only supports 137gb hard drive space. If you really want a 400gb HD
you will need the media edtion.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013
um yeah, ok :rolleyes:

[BEST JD TCR]

um yeah, ok :rolleyes:um yeah ok? what?
XP home & PRO only supports 137gb. i put a link from microsoft; now stop with those remarks, if you dont know waht you are talking about. Only media edtion supports more.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013

[defakto]

I know for a fact win2k will handle larger than 137 gig drives, the install may not be able to, but if you partition after windows is running you won't have any issue. You do NOT, repeate after me, DO NOT, need media center to handle larger drives. Budyy has win2k pro running a 500 gig array with out issues, i've got a 250 single drive installed on mine, and i can see it all no problems.

[BEST JD TCR]

the Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 (SP1) 48-bit Logical Block Addressing (LBA) support for ATA Packet Interface (ATAPI) disk drives that can increase the capacity of your hard disk to more than the current 137 gigabyte (GB) limit.

Note Windows XP does not support 48-bit LBA support unless you are running Windows XP SP1. If you want to use 48-bit LBA support, you must apply Windows XP SP1 or later. Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows XP Tablet PC Edition already include SP1.

For additional information about the latest service pack for Windows XP, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

322389 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=322389) How to obtain the latest Windows XP service pack

[compslckr]

why not just get 2 200gb for about $200 total?

heck, get 4 and have double the space for half the same cost.

[compslckr]

um yeah ok? what?
XP home & PRO only supports 137gb. i put a link from microsoft; now stop with those remarks, if you dont know waht you are talking about. Only media edtion supports more.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013)

nope, wrong. i have a 200gb hard drive in my xp pro box, you just need sp1 and then partition the new chunk, then combine the 2 partions (130gb + 70gb) into one 200gb partition using partition magic.

[lopoetve]

um yeah ok? what?
XP home & PRO only supports 137gb. i put a link from microsoft; now stop with those remarks, if you dont know waht you are talking about. Only media edtion supports more.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013

XP has supported more for years. If you don't have SP1 installed already, you're an idiot, thus you can assume that everyone here has sp1 already, and can install a bigger drive.

[doh]

I'd buy two for my desktop if I could afford it.

As for fileservers I would definitely wait for SATA-2 or SATA-3 before dropping more than $1/gig.

[EnderW]

um yeah ok? what?
XP home & PRO only supports 137gb. i put a link from microsoft; now stop with those remarks, if you dont know waht you are talking about. Only media edtion supports more.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013

um yeah, ok, because I have TWO fucking 250GB hard drives and I'm using Windows XP Professional

now who doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about

try doing some research before opening your mouth...you see that title under your name? it's there for a reason

[EnderW]

nope, wrong. i have a 200gb hard drive in my xp pro box, you just need sp1 and then partition the new chunk, then combine the 2 partions (130gb + 70gb) into one 200gb partition using partition magic.

you don't even need to do that, I've done a single 250GB (232GB after overhead) partition before, no problems

[defakto]

From my last experience install somethng for someone on a 160 gig drive, xp would only install to 137 for the installation process, once it booted to windows though, it saw the rest of the drive as unpartitioned, milage may vary on that as they probably fixed later install version.

[compslckr]

yeah, you can do the whole thing at once if your windows xp disk has sp1 or sp2 slipstreamed into it, which mine did not when i installed (now i have win xp pro sp1 and sp2 disks.)

[phaelinx]

Uh..most drive companys come with a disk setup software that will format the drive to what its supposed to be before windows is even installed. I just got a 250gig maxtor hd, installed maxblast3, formatted it to 250 gigs and windows MINUS service pack 1 recogonized it as a 250 gig hd. Following those rules you posted about ABSOLUTELY NEEDING sp1 is bs and for the average bozo that doesnt know how to configure hds prior to sp1.

[doormat]

400GB? Nah, not at $1/GB. Maybe when they get to $200 each I'll buy a few.

[The Titan]

A few.

[codeflux]

the Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 (SP1) ... the rest of the bullshit - snipped
i must flame you, not unlink EnterW did. a) your post sounds like a f*cking public service announcement from mirco$oft. b) i have a 200GB FAT32 partition (182GB effectively). FAT32 - not even NTFS. yes, on WinXP Pro SP1. care for me to include a screenshot?... now die.

[BEST JD TCR]

i must flame you, not unlink EnterW did. a) your post sounds like a f*cking public service announcement from mirco$oft. b) i have a 200GB FAT32 partition (182GB effectively). FAT32 - not even NTFS. yes, on WinXP Pro SP1. care for me to include a screenshot?... now die.everyone knows that FAT32 can run on XP, whats your point.
Now Believe it or not, I am really new to the internet.

[EnderW]

Believe it or not, I am really new to the internet.

LURK, then post.

[Egrimm]

They're too costly for now, but once it gets down it'd be nice to replace a couple of 200GB drives with one of those, or maybe just replace them one-to-one ;)

[DigitalMP]

Yeah...I'll wait a few months until they're down in price a bit. But I do want two of these, to RAID1 them for my data storage, and back them up to an external FireWire HD every couple weeks to store offsite.

FYI, I run 2000pro with a 180GB(172) drive, not that it matters after everyone's clarifications.

[Singularity]

why not just get 2 200gb for about $200 total?

heck, get 4 and have double the space for half the same cost.


Because it's uneconomically cool, not to mention spatially uneconomical :o

I can't justify $400 for storage.

[phaelinx]

everyone knows that FAT32 can run on XP, whats your point.
Now Believe it or not, I am really new to the internet.


you mean XP will run on fat32 file system..not fat32 will run on xp..xp is the operating system that runs on the file allocation table buddy

[theNoid]

This thread started out good... then just made me laugh so much. I've seen 200gb+ drives installed on XP without SP1, lol.

[BEST JD TCR]

you mean XP will run on fat32 file system..not fat32 will run on xp..xp is the operating system that runs on the file allocation table buddy
I think you mean NTFS. Buddy!

[BEST JD TCR]

NTFS define
An abbreviation for New Technology File System, Windows NT's "replacement for the DOS FAT (File Allocation Table)" and OS/2's HPFS (High-Performance File System). NTFS offers many advantages over other file systems, including improved security and the ability to reconstruct files in the event of hardware failures. Windows 3.1+ and Windows 95 can access files stored on NTFS volumes via a network connection but can't open NTFS files directly.

[EnderW]

I think you mean NTFS. Buddy!

NTFS define
An abbreviation for New Technology File System, Windows NT's "replacement for the DOS FAT (File Allocation Table)" and OS/2's HPFS (High-Performance File System). NTFS offers many advantages over other file systems, including improved security and the ability to reconstruct files in the event of hardware failures. Windows 3.1+ and Windows 95 can access files stored on NTFS volumes via a network connection but can't open NTFS files directly.

http://www.iupload.net/082004/tardsssssss.gif

It's obvious you don't know WTF you are talking about. And I think everyone here is tired of seeing your fucking public service anouncements.


edit: and this drive is instock at zipzoomfly
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100599-1

[Ibanez3434]

um yeah, ok, because I have TWO fucking 250GB hard drives and I'm using Windows XP Professional

now who doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about

try doing some research before opening your mouth...you see that title under your name? it's there for a reason

(1) Absolutely NO FLAMING OR NAME CALLING. Mutual respect and civilized conversation is the required norm.

Come on guys don't get this thread locked.. :rolleyes:

Edit: oh and btw if someone is a n00bie to the forums it does not mean they are a n00bie to computers.

[phaelinx]

NTFS define
An abbreviation for New Technology File System, Windows NT's "replacement for the DOS FAT (File Allocation Table)" and OS/2's HPFS (High-Performance File System). NTFS offers many advantages over other file systems, including improved security and the ability to reconstruct files in the event of hardware failures. Windows 3.1+ and Windows 95 can access files stored on NTFS volumes via a network connection but can't open NTFS files directly.


haha you are so funny, you dont know anything other than what you read in books. I have an idea..actually use computer systems and learn that way...along with building systems you break systems..thats how you learn from mistakes..not reading a book and saying "OH NO I CANT DO THAT ILL BREAK MY MACHINE". First off, I've been building systems back when Apple IIe first came out, I DO know what im talking about..I've ran 3 distro's of linux, every Windows OS, including the trash ones aka, os2 warp etc. I didnt sit back and read about them in a book, I was using Dos 6.22 when you were still in diapers.. Windows XP will run on NTFS and FAT32, Close that stupid MCSE book you'r reading and actually learn the operating system by trial and error. Your knowledge of windows astonishes me, with your hittleresque quotes of "YOU NEED MEDIA EDITION TO HAVE A HD BIGGER THAN 137GB" You absolutely do not. If you are the average bozo that can barely even install a hd on the IDE cable, reading a book as to which direction the red pin stripe goes, then yes you will need sp1 or media edition. I didnt want this to turn into a flame post, but when morons like you come spouting off your bullshit what do you expect? Everyone to bow down to your moronic remarks and praise your wise BOOK based knowledge?

[EnderW]

Come on guys don't get this thread locked.. :rolleyes:

Edit: oh and btw if someone is a n00bie to the forums it does not mean they are a n00bie to computers.

I didn't call him anything - it's already under his name. And you're right, just b/c someone is new to the forum doesn't mean they are a noob when it comes to computers, but when they start saying shit about how the fat32 system doesn't run on windows xp, and telling all the forum veterans that we're wrong, then they can be classified as a noob.

[Ibanez3434]

I didn't call him anything - it's already under his name. And you're right, just b/c someone is new to the forum doesn't mean they are a noob when it comes to computers, but when they start saying shit about how the fat32 system doesn't run on windows xp, and telling all the forum veterans that we're wrong, then they can be classified as a noob.

yea I wasn't really dirrecting this at you I meant as a whole, The guy asked a quistion he doesn't want a long debate about nothing. The guy asked if you where going to preorder a HD not. He didn't say anything about formats and stuff. Thread hijacking is also in the rules if you guys want to talk about formats start a new thread.

I guess I should practice what I preach eh, well I have a 80GB that has about 3GB left so 400GB would be a nice addition but it is very expensive. I found a 160 on newegg for less than 100$ so I think I'll just go with that (For now).

[theNoid]

haha you are so funny, you dont know anything other than what you read in books. I have an idea..actually use computer systems and learn that way...along with building systems you break systems..thats how you learn from mistakes..not reading a book and saying "OH NO I CANT DO THAT ILL BREAK MY MACHINE". First off, I've been building systems back when Apple IIe first came out, I DO know what im talking about..I've ran 3 distro's of linux, every Windows OS, including the trash ones aka, os2 warp etc. I didnt sit back and read about them in a book, I was using Dos 6.22 when you were still in diapers.. Windows XP will run on NTFS and FAT32, Close that stupid MCSE book you'r reading and actually learn the operating system by trial and error. Your knowledge of windows astonishes me, with your hittleresque quotes of "YOU NEED MEDIA EDITION TO HAVE A HD BIGGER THAN 137GB" You absolutely do not. If you are the average bozo that can barely even install a hd on the IDE cable, reading a book as to which direction the red pin stripe goes, then yes you will need sp1 or media edition. I didnt want this to turn into a flame post, but when morons like you come spouting off your bullshit what do you expect? Everyone to bow down to your moronic remarks and praise your wise BOOK based knowledge?

/salutes.

In my 14 years of computer experience, NOT ONCE have I ever opened a book. Learning first hand is BY FAR the best way.

[Ice Czar]

you're an idiot.

you know better than that
even hypothetical flaming is verbotten in the context employed


now who doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about


irregardless of how poorly he was presenting his arguement, thats not how we educate the membership

the Facts
the first statement
"be careful windows XP only supports 137gb hard drive space. If you really want a 400gb HD
you will need the media edtion."
is patently false without further qualifications, the arguement susequently modified to reflect that

there where only a few senerios covered so far so a few more...
completely inapplicable if the drive or array employs SCSI Drivers
(IDE RAID, SATA RAID, IDE PCI Card Controller)

W2K w\ SP3 and XP w\ SP1 are not required
its a simple registery entry and can be done without the service pack, and even from outside the OS with appropriate software

if you do install and partition from the CD, you can always enlarge the partition into the unallocated space employing diskpart.exe (microsoft commandline tool) without resorting to Partition Magic (after the registry entry)

BEST JD TCR, either one of two senerios seems likely
1. you tried good naturedly to assist the membership but presented the arguemnt poorly
and subsequently compounded it with the attitude you adopted, irregardless of which, I extend an apology on behalf of the forum because thats not how we react to such senerios

or 2
your trolling in which case you caught quite a load :eek:
(bet you guys didnt consider that did you )
but are now a point of moderator interest :p


now play nice


on topic, hell no I dont want one of those
Im a firm beleiver in the smaller cheaper HDDs in the Redundant array
just hurts alot less if one goes tits up
I can deal with the extra heat and power

[EnderW]

now play nice

yes sir ;)

welcome back

[Ice Czar]

thankyou I was resurrected quite quickly by Lethal, however all my previous posts are now attributed to Ice Czar Guest :p

(and unsearchable to boot)

speaking of which as listed in the Data Storage FAQ
Requirements to break the 137GB (128GB Binary) Barrier (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1026129864#post1026129864)

[codeflux]

oh, now in stock! /edit: buy.com is still "On Order"

$442 @ zipzoomfly (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100599-1) - thanks EnderW
$415 @ buy.com (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10374092&loc=101&sp=1) (pricewatch shows that to be the lowest price)

of course newegg is still catching up... buy.com it is. now, who's got $850 for me? i need two. anyone? ok i got the money, but not ready to buy, ain't that a beeach... need to take a look at SB81P first - that's where these babies will live...

[Falls Included]

http://www.x2tpro.com/i/[h]/proof.jpg

/debate


i dont want any of these.. too expensive, and i like the nice round 250... i'm gonna pick up another 2 more of them soon (as you can see, i need it, lol), and in sata flavor, then the 250 IDE goes to the xbox (yes, even the old ass xbox can support more than 137gb)

[EnderW]

oh, now in stock! /edit: buy.com is still "On Order"

$442 @ zipzoomfly (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100599-1) - thanks EnderW
$415 @ buy.com (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10374092&loc=101&sp=1) (pricewatch shows that to be the lowest price)

of course newegg is still catching up... buy.com it is. now, who's got $850 for me? i need two. anyone? ok i got the money, but not ready to buy, ain't that a beeach... need to take a look at SB81P first - that's where these babies will live...
wow, you're really getting them?

:cool:

[codeflux]

wow, you're really getting them?
that is the plan. i always follow through. ;) as soon as i see SB81P in person - and like what i *see* - i am buying one and starting ordering shit. here's the list:

SB81P
P4E 3.6
1GB GeIL PC4000 (have that already - might reuse)
X800XP-PE PCI-E
2x400GB
1x74GB raptor
Plextor DVD-+RW (newegg has them for $130 with $30 rebate, btw)

will build an external module with USB hub, matrix orbital 20x2 VFD, and IR remote receiver.

[EnderW]

that is the plan. i always follow through. ;) as soon as i see SB81P in person - and like what i *see* - i am buying one and starting ordering shit. here's the list:

SB81P
P4E 3.6
1GB GeIL PC4000 (have that already - might reuse)
X800XP-PE PCI-E
2x400GB
1x74GB raptor
Plextor DVD-+RW (newegg has them for $130 with $30 rebate, btw)

will build an external module with USB hub, matrix orbital 20x2 VFD, and IR remote receiver.

man your system is gonna whoop my system's ass :(

which x800 xt are you getting? and what is the matrix orbital 20x2 VFD?

[phaelinx]

400 bucks for 400 gigs is kind of a ripoff dont you think? I mean for half that price you can buy 2 200gigs, JBOD them and boom..400 gigs heh

[Ice Czar]

if you willing to accept the JBOD tradeoffs
there are really very few reasons to adopt JBOD
in hardware fewer in software (for the desktop)

[Killermac]

All I can say is this that would be a lot of data to loose, yes I know you said you would be doing a RAID but still data loss enters my mind.

KM

[codeflux]

which x800 xt are you getting? and what is the matrix orbital 20x2 VFD?
which x800xt? -BBA most likely. i like the stability, thanks. won't be overclocking it, so... :)

matrix orbital VFD - go to www.matrixorbital.com and look around. then go to www.lcdc.cc (i'm on their forums as codeflux) - that's the software i use.

[Bradish]

Ehm, I'd be weary of buying anything from www.buy.com ... I recently placed an order there and after having much trouble with my account I called them (Due note, that this was a task in itself, seeing as they do not post a customer service phone number, And even advertise that they don't post one :mad: ) ANYWAY, after finally getting a Customer Service # I got on the phone and talked to Mr. Chimichanga, who transfered me over to someone else, who ended up deleting my account on accident. Therefore, I do not suggest making an order with www.buy.com, Unless of course, you speak fluent Spanish ;)

-Brad

[codeflux]

Ehm, I'd be weary of buying anything from www.buy.com ...
that's based on your experience. here's mine. i ordered a 19" CRT from them for my dad - it's been a couple of years now, so at the time it was expensive. the monitor came damaged; i called them, complained, they said they don't have this model anymore, but they'll give me the comparable one. i said i only wanted sony, and only with these specs. they gave me a part number - it was for a 21" CRT. i said OK - and they shipped it. for free. so now my dad has a kick-ass (even now) 21" sony trinitron CRT. nice, huh?

buy.com has always been reliable for me - i've been buying from them for a few years now. but then again, everyone has their horror stories.

now, let's not stray from the topic. how 'bout them 400's? :)

[bassboy_pete]

I hate to break it to you, but I am running a RAID Setup with a total of 265GB, with no Service packs at all, and I get all of it usuable. So obviously windows can support more.

[Ice Czar]

looks like you missed the part where any IDE Controller card, IDE onboard RAID, SATA RAID, or SCSI controller where excepted from the 137GB (128GiB) issue

always have been
they all use SCSI drivers

[Dirty Harry]

I'd rather wait for the Seagate/Maxtor 400gb drives, better performance.

[ciscokid454]

I found an ide version of one of these on ebay bought 10 days ago..
for $300 bin...
It was listed as a simpletech external usb drive.
got it yesterday, testing it today..
usb was really slow on my ic7-max 3..
ide was a little faster, but using a pata2sata adapter didn't give me that much performance increase either..:-p
I've got an ide2scsi adapter, so i'll try that and see what happens..
with sata i'm getting 45/65mb/s for write/read..
drive was brand new..still under warranty as well:-p

[IdiotInCharge]

Waiting for Seagate's 7200.8 series; 133GB platters, so -1 platter for less noise, less heat and better performance all around....

[BEST JD TCR]

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
Last Updated: August 25, 2004

[EnderW]

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
Last Updated: August 25, 2004

and?

[Ice Czar]

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
Last Updated: August 25, 2004

I'll see your SP2 security upgrade for braindead n00bs
and raise you 3 real security guides :p ;)

http://www.nsa.gov/snac/
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/guidance/avdind_0.mspx
http://www.uksecurityonline.com/husdg/wxpp2.php

and a basic checklist
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=768776
and an out of date linkfarm
http://radified.com/Articles/internet_security.htm
and a security freeware repository
http://www.wilders.org/free_tools.htm


SP2 while a slight imjprovement over the previous state of things,
its still a half assed and misleading security blanket
when what is called for is a bulletproof vest

of course if the public actually knew how to do this
Id not be making money off doin it for them

[gigglebyte]

(off subject) BEST JD TCR - you had best quit while you are ahead....or behind as it looks like...nice links there Ice :D

(on subject) I don't think I will get one of those drives anytime soon...I am getting more and more backed up data on my drive and would like to keep it on something other than DVDs but just can't make myself cough up the dough for that size drive...maybe when I get around to building my new system I will get one but hopefully the price will be down a lot :o

[Tyklfe]

not from hitachi I don't.....


but when the WDs come out, that's another story.

[IdiotInCharge]

not from hitachi I don't.....


but when the WDs come out, that's another story.

I'd take a Hitachi over most WD's right now... the newer ones with quiet/cool bearings seem ok; it'd have to be one of those. But really, I'd rather just have a Seagate and not ever worry about it.

[codeflux]

not from hitachi I don't.....
but when the WDs come out, that's another story.
that's how i feel as well. i don't trust IBM. i mean - Hitachi. but a 400gb Seagate with 133gb/platter seems like a pretty darn nice idea. and i've read somewhere that seagate has upped their warranty on hard drives to 5 years. 5 years!!! i've never used a hard drive for more than 1.5 years - always upgrade - but 5 years... anyway, just a thought. i hope SB81P hits the shelves soon so i can start building shit, instead of drooling and talking about it... :)

[designedforhell]

Who ha, thats a hole lot of [H]ard drive... But is Hitachi "[H]itachi"?

[Bugalaman]

I don't need it. lol. of my 350GB (formatted) of available space, I have 40GB filled (40 on my main 120GB SATA, and 0GB (absolutly nothing!) on my new Maxtor 250GB drive).

[codeflux]

I don't need it. lol. of my 350GB (formatted) of available space, I have 40GB filled (40 on my main 120GB SATA, and 0GB (absolutly nothing!) on my new Maxtor 250GB drive).
what?! get out of this forum. GET! :) download some porn or pirate some videos or music or something. jeez!

[lithium726]

not from hitachi I don't.....


but when the WDs come out, that's another story.

hte new hitachis are great drives.. i just put a 40gb 7200rpm laptop drive in my dads pIII lappy and it breathed another year or two into it, he LOVES it now. and i HATE wd drives... much rather go with seagate or maxtor. or hitachi now :)

i wouldnt want one.. too expensive, and i still have plenty of space on my maxtor 200gb. 20gigs free on my 40gig windows part, and 60 on my 160gb storage part... im happy with it :)

also, why are scsi/sata/ide controllers exempt from the 137gb rule? i was told this actually a few days ago and i called bullshit on it since ive always been able to use all my drive, sp or no, so why is this? (its a sata drive, and 48 LBA.. learned that the hard way when my sata boot rom took FOREVER to initialize the loading of windows, when i moved it over this drive... had to do a bios update..)

[Bugalaman]

what?! get out of this forum. GET! :) download some porn or pirate some videos or music or something. jeez!
heh, i reformatted last week and have yet to install bit tornado or edonkey

[Falls Included]

aye... the 250 i have has 12 gigs left... its days are numbered... then again, if i had a reliable hard drive in my xbox that would free up 65 gigs

[archevilangel]

yeah, it would take atleast a year to use it, but I got some temporary storage needs that would require it.

[EnderW]

aye... the 250 i have has 12 gigs left... its days are numbered... then again, if i had a reliable hard drive in my xbox that would free up 65 gigs

I've heard that drives over 5400 rpms shouldn't be used in xbox due to heat issues...do you know if this is true?

[GJSNeptune]

I'd be worried about disk failure with a drive that big.

[EnderW]

I'd be worried about disk failure with a drive that big.
why would you be more worried with this drive compared to other drives?

[Ice Czar]

cause its large enough to hold the contents of most local libraries? :p
(or at least the text)

[EnderW]

well I see the problem here:

if you had 400GB of data, would you want to trust it all to 1 drive or spread it among several smaller drives?

if you put it on several smaller drives, the chances that you will lose SOME data increases, but the chance that would will lose ALL of your data decreases

and the opposite is true for using the big drive


of course I would go for RAID1 and backup anything vital to CD or DVD

[BillR]

well I see the problem here:

if you had 400GB of data, would you want to trust it all to 1 drive or spread it among several smaller drives?

if you put it on several smaller drives, the chances that you will lose SOME data increases, but the chance that would will lose ALL of your data decreases

and the opposite is true for using the big drive


of course I would go for RAID1 and backup anything vital to CD or DVD

That has been my thought. 400 gig is a ton of stuff to go missing all of a sudden. Not to mention, who here actually backs up on a regular basis? ;)

[EnderW]

Not to mention, who here actually backs up on a regular basis? ;)

I bet Ice Czar does. :p

I have 250GB in RAID1, and although RAID1 only protects against drive failure, not data corruption or viruses, I feel safe enough not to backup everything. Besides 90% of my data is just porn or mp3s.

[Ice Czar]

I bet Ice Czar does. :p .

indeed I do
and that includes the RAID 5

the larger number of smaller drives in a redundant array has the drawback of more power consumption and generating more heat, offset against you can put a bullet in one drive and still not loose any data
loose two however and your toast

RAID 5 in addition has the advantages over RAID 1
in efficiency, the larger the array (more drives) the more efficient it becomes
(capacity equals the additive total on all the drives minus one, if they are matched which is a good idea)
and for performance, obviously there is a penalty, especially in writes
(though you get what you pay for and there are a few redundant array cards out there that do real good at that)
but realistically we are talking about "storage" when we get into that level of space in a desktop environment

the exceptions is where I draw the line and your box is suddenly a "workstation"
video editing or any other large file disk access intensive pattern
or obviously servers, NAS, SAN, where its database and multi-user

if its simply 400GB of media in a single user environment where the vast majority of access is mostly reads, RAID 5 is a very good solution, possibly cheaper, and less likely to see catastrophic data loss

at 8GB per dual layer DVD thats 50 DVD (if your lucky @ $5 per currently? )

[EnderW]

loose two however and your toast

your toast will what??

oh, did you mean you're?

:p ;) :D

[Oldie]

Zipzoomfly.com has them in stock right now for $439 w/free second day. Personally, I ordered a pair of the 300GB Maxline III drives w/the 16mb cache. They get here tomorrow, and I can barely wait. I actually have a good use for these, so it's worth the ca$h, and I get 600GB for $1 more than the Hitachi. Still though if you need the 400 on a single disk, looks like you've found your answer. GL

Oldie

[Ice Czar]

your toast will what??


my toast can take your toast any day of the week
and with one slab of butter tied behind its back too :p

[Synful Serenity]

And it seems like just yesterday that 1gig drives were $2,800.

[unhappy_mage]

And it seems like just yesterday that 1gig drives were $2,800.
by that math, I'm about 18 hours old ;)
http://www.mentallyretired.com/h/index.cfm/u_rogue_jedi (http://www.hardfolding.com)