Microsoft to Gut Longhorn to Make 2006 Delivery Date

[LinuxRocks]

Check out this thread.
http://eletters.czone.ziffdavis.com/zd1/cts?d=92-74-2-13-16266-6194-1

Looks like Longhorn will be WinXP SP3 :rolleyes:

*With some inhancements

Joe

[synaptical]

lol, vaporware.

[XOR != OR]

On the other hand, this could be a sign that they are starting to "get it".

With as many brand new "things" that were supposed to be in longhorn, security would likely have been a nightmare.

[Phoenix86]

/me grabs beer and marshmellow.

[BillLeeLee]

So uh, should I not buy that 4+ GHz processor and 1 TB of storage now? (it's just a joke, but remember that wild recommended setup for Longhorn?)

[XOR != OR]

So uh, should I not buy that 4+ GHz processor and 1 TB of storage now? (it's just a joke, but remember that wild recommended setup for Longhorn?)
No, I think phoenix hit it right on the head, as far as what you should get.

Speaking of which, here's another of my great food ideas: Beer flavored marshmellows.

[Zlash]

Not exactly gutting it...

[AppleNick]

Microsoft is being stupid. One person gets Longhorn, and tells others it's crap. And so on.

[GreNME]

/me grabs beer and marshmellow.
You love watching people predict the future too, eh?

It's not gonna have WinFS, and the other enhancements are actually going to be shared with previous versions (XP/2k3). That is the only official MS statement.

[j4zzee]

Remember this is Uncle Bill and Micros~1
2006 actually means first or secound quarter of 2007 :p
The developers must be having a hard time with WinFS... aka XP SP4

Longhorn Server was slated for 2007 which means 2008.
If Longhorn Server isn't out till 2008; Linux will really be able to gobble up some more market share... munch munch :)

[LoStMaTt]

Check out this thread.
http://eletters.czone.ziffdavis.com/zd1/cts?d=92-74-2-13-16266-6194-1

Looks like Longhorn will be WinXP SP3 :rolleyes:

*With some inhancements

Joe

Windows ME 2.0 AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[LinuxRocks]

Remember this is Uncle Bill and Micros~1
2006 actually means first or secound quarter of 2007
The developers must be having a hard time with WinFS... aka XP SP4

Longhorn Server was slated for 2007 which means 2008.
If Longhorn Server isn't out till 2008; Linux will really be able to gobble up some more market share... munch munch

Yeah, and when NT4 is fianlly put to rest at the end of this year, Linux will gobble as well.

A prediction.... I think the days are coming to and end for MS as we know it. And I'm not just saying this because I like Linux. I really like the Wintendo OS as it plays the games that I like most. But I think MS is burying itself with Longhorn. As they state, they haven’t released a "Major" updated OS since 2K. Even XP was just a face lift. Longhorn was supposed to be the major OS technological upgrade that MS needed to bring them above water in allot of areas, and now that doesn’t look like its going to happen... Sure, MS has ALOT of money, but like the old saying goes, you can buy love :D

Joe

[j4zzee]

Yeah, and when NT4 is fianlly put to rest at the end of this year, Linux will gobble as well.

A prediction.... I think the days are coming to and end for MS as we know it. And I'm not just saying this because I like Linux. I really like the Wintendo OS as it plays the games that I like most. But I think MS is burying itself with Longhorn. As they state, they haven’t released a "Major" updated OS since 2K. Even XP was just a face lift. Longhorn was supposed to be the major OS technological upgrade that MS needed to bring them above water in allot of areas, and now that doesn’t look like its going to happen... Sure, MS has ALOT of money, but like the old saying goes, you can buy love :D Joe
The development train in Linux, theBSDs, and now Darwin/OSx is much faster than the "Wintendo" juggernaught. By the time Longhorn is ready to roll in late 2006 or early 2007 Linux will have come a long way. More so than I think Windows will have. The fact that Uncle Bill has to shelve Longhorn "feature sets" means they are behind and are trying to catch up... it should be interesting in 2006 :) Heck I'll bet ya ATI will have full featured video drivers for all Linux distros by then :p

[GreNME]

Heh... same old story, new decade.

[LinuxRocks]

The development train in Linux, theBSDs, and now Darwin/OSx is much faster than the "Wintendo" juggernaught. By the time Longhorn is ready to roll in late 2006 or early 2007 Linux will have come a long way. More so than I think Windows will have. The fact that Uncle Bill has to shelve Longhorn "feature sets" means they are behind and are trying to catch up... it should be interesting in 2006 :) Heck I'll bet ya ATI will have full featured video drivers for all Linux distros by then :p


Yeah, wont that be something :)

[lomn75]

//edit: bah, can this opinion.

[joecartoon22]

i wish they didnt cut back soooo many features. they really gutted the thing out.

[Hiyruu]

You would think that a company as rich as microsoft could make Longhorn quickly.

[GreNME]

Could just one of you guys give me the list of things they "gutted" out, with the exception of not including WinFS until a service pack?

Seriously, guys, just because a "journalist" spews their opinion in an article does not make it true. Jesus, anyone who read the other thread where I actually talked with one would be able to see just how little actual technical knowledge these dweebs have.

So, before the bitching continues, can I get a list of things that have been "gutted" from the release?

[t. shuffle]

Looks like Longhorn will be WinXP SP3 :rolleyes:

*With some inhancements

Joe

Am I the only one here that's cool with that?

[EnderW]

Am I the only one here that's cool with that?
I'm cool with that. XP > all other windows

[Phoenix86]

Yep, a linux vs win- what is it now? Wintendo, yeah, a linux vs. wintendo thread...

You sure do sport your knowledge of the business world when you use that term. :rolleyes:

Damn, I burned my marshmellow, crap.

[j4zzee]

I think eating marshmellows makes people a little too UPTIGHT..sheesh

I don't remember saying Linux is better than Windows (I like and use Windows)
Linux and the Darwin movement have increased competition and MS has to respond

I can't make fun of Microsoft for having never released an OS when they said they would? :rolleyes: :p

[Phoenix86]

Sure, I guess you can do whatever you want.

No one make software release dates(OSes, apps, games), what's your point? Obviously from your comments your point isn't MS is going to be late, it's MS vs. linux, and you are too biased to make a coherent point.
Uncle Bill and Micros~1
"Wintendo"
Uncle Bill

That wintendo remark kinda shows your ignorance as to just how much busine$$ (*note witty use of dollar sign) is actually done on a win-tel platform.

I'm all for competition, but spewing tripe isn't helping anyone with anything.

[GreNME]

Darwin isn't even a blip on Microsoft's radar. Linux, on the other hand, is a bigger blip than the higher-ups there might like to admit.

However, none of the projections about how "MS is going down" or how "Linux is set up to steal share" is anything that hasn't been said every year now for a decade. Nothing has changed. As far as market share, Linux has remained at 1% on the desktop. In server's, they're kicking ass, actually hurting Unix more than anyone else (which is why SCO's panties are in a bunch), but keeping Microsoft from really growing too fast in that field. None of this means that Microsoft is in any kind of danger from Linux development. The company itself is simply too diversified, and as far as power, ease-of-use, and saturation, the only comparable OS only runs on another platform.

This isn't a slight against Linux. For what it is, it's amazing what it can do and how well it works.

[NewBlackDak]

... Heck I'll bet ya ATI will have full featured video drivers for all Linux distros by then :p


Don't hold your breath on that one. It took them about 4 years to get it right in Windows. I'm beginning to think that's why the x800 series wasn't a major revamp. Their software egineers are about 4 lightyears behind their R&D department.

[LinuxRocks]

Yep, a linux vs win- what is it now? Wintendo, yeah, a linux vs. wintendo thread...

You sure do sport your knowledge of the business world when you use that term. :rolleyes:

Damn, I burned my marshmellow, crap.

Actually, I came up with the Wintendo comment first. I have over 20 years in the industry, so I think I have enough knowledge about it to call it what I want to call it. I know exactly what kind of impact MS has on the world, but that doest stop it from manufacturing the worlds most expensive personal gamming OS. Sure, you can use it in the office and even set up a little home file and print server out of it, but in the end, its still a toy; nothing more.

Linux, however, was designed around POSIX (for you young ones here, that is the standard on which Unix was written) which was proven in the industry when Bill Gates was getting his diaper changed (actual timelines aside,. of course). *note: Let’s not get into an argument here about how Linux was developed or what libraries it uses; I made my point, now lets move on....

So, while Microsoft spent more money buying someone else’s code and using the same propaganda methods of WW2 to advertise its OS, Linux was being developed to perform based on scientific standards and technological innovation for use in colleges; it wasn’t arrogant about it's advancement and laid low being developed and didn’t become popular (except for the truly technical folk that needed a power house and not a toy). Linux has NEVER advertised about its technology and major companies never noticed it until "Word Of Mouth" pointed it in the direction it is in now. Seeing that Linux never advertised itself and where it is at today should speak for its self...

This thread was not meant to be about Linux vs. Windows. I was simply offering news to the Window folks here about Longhorn. I use Windows my self as I mentioned before, so news about its OS is important to me. Escpecilly when new games come out :p

Good Day!!!

[j4zzee]

That wintendo remark kinda shows your ignorance as to just how much busine$$ (*note witty use of dollar sign) is actually done on a win-tel platform..
You know what they say... Ignorance is Bliss

[LinuxRocks]

I'm cool with that. XP > all other windows

Actually, I prefer using Server 2k3 as my desktop. Performance gain (for me) have been tremendous.

Check out this guild to convert your 2k3 server to a desktop:
http://www.msfn.org/win2k3/

Works quite well, howver, I would not recommend paying the moeny for 2k3 server just as a desktop OS, but if you have a legit copy laying around, give it a go :)

[Mojo]

Longhorn better be fucking good.

Windows 95 --3yrs--> Windows 98 --2yrs--> Windows 2000 --1yr--> Windows XP

It's been since 2001. It's almost 2005, the time lapse has been a long one, Microsoft better pull through. Apple's OSX Tiger is an awesome OS, and it's coming out very soon. Like 1H 2005.

PS: I didn't count WinME, because well, who wants to?

[GreNME]

Actually, I came up with the Wintendo comment first. I have over 20 years in the industry, so I think I have enough knowledge about it to call it what I want to call it.
Want to know the irony of this?

Linux, however, was designed around POSIX (for you young ones here, that is the standard on which Unix was written) which was proven in the industry when Bill Gates was getting his diaper changed (actual timelines aside,. of course). *note: Let’s not get into an argument here about how Linux was developed or what libraries it uses; I made my point, now lets move on....
So, you state an obviously misleading statement and don't want anyone to call you on your bullshit? Very convenient for you, who just made a previous statement that your dick of experience is longer than the rest of us.

Linux was based on Minix, which was just another in a huge, long list of mini operating systems made in the 80's that were UNIX-like (but not actually Unix). POSIX as a standard (http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/posix/) is just an API that many operating systems—including the NT kernel—have included various parts of. In fact, the earlier Linux releases were less POSIX and morePOSIX-like than current releases, just the same as early iterations of the NT kernel were not POSIX (though are far more POSIC-like now). Hell, even POSIX itself has changed since the earlier days of Unix, so your claims about the standard are so much sundry bullshit, just using a word you don't fully understand to try to sound intelligent.

So, while Microsoft spent more money buying someone else’s code and using the same propaganda methods of WW2 to advertise its OS, Linux was being developed to perform based on scientific standards and technological innovation for use in colleges; it wasn’t arrogant about it's advancement and laid low being developed and didn’t become popular (except for the truly technical folk that needed a power house and not a toy). Linux has NEVER advertised about its technology and major companies never noticed it until "Word Of Mouth" pointed it in the direction it is in now. Seeing that Linux never advertised itself and where it is at today should speak for its self...
Actually, Linux wouldn't be where it is today if it weren't for huge companies like IBM and Sun backing them, and with other companies pumping huge amounts of cash into them with hopes of a return.

Also, you seem to know jack shit about the origins of the NT kernel, which is nothing like the 9x or previous kernels for the Windows platform. It took many of the approaches Bell Labs took originally in the 1970's, but began implementing them based on newer standards, which began in—and this is not usually well-known—OS/2, believe it or not. A large chunk of developers from the original OS/2 group came to Microsoft to begin developing what eventually became Windows 2000.

Your lack of basic history is underwhelming.

This thread was not meant to be about Linux vs. Windows. I was simply offering news to the Window folks here about Longhorn. I use Windows my self as I mentioned before, so news about its OS is important to me. Escpecilly when new games come out :p

Good Day!!!In a thread not about Linux vs Windows, it sure is weird to have someone popping on and claiming superior knowledge of the assumed superiority of one platform over another and seeing nothing but rhetorical misinformation spewed.

Good day.

[GreNME]

Actually, Mr-20-plus-years-experience, if you understand the OS so well and really care to educate us plebes, why don't you solve my WEP problem (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=802126) for me?

[devourment77]

my cats breath smells like cat food

[Sean]

.

PS: I didn't count WinME, because well, who wants to?

Not me thats for sure! (note: I have a windows ME disk!!!! :eek: = I paid MONEY FOR IT!)

[Sean]

my cats breath smells like cat food

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[GreNME]

Actually, Eightball, I think his post was the most cogent in this thread so far.

[jcm44]

back to the subject...

i am disappointed that MS is already scaling back the OS. I mean we are still some time before 2005, and they are already cutting Longhorn down. To me this signals only the beginning. They will deliver it late and it won't be anything ultra-cool.

I am a sucker for good looks and I want an OS that looks as good as the Mac stuff without the $1000 pricetag for hardware. I don't care if its BEOS, Linux, or MS. I just want something that looks cool.

One thing MS could easily cut would be all those balloon pop ups. I just had to reinstall xp and I was greeted with no less than 5-6 popups. I JUST WANT THE START MENU TO OPEN!!! STOP POPPING UP!!! I think that's what I shouted, of course xp didn't hear me because my mic was not plugged in.

[GreNME]

Okay, back to the subject:

Can anyone give me the list of things that are being "gutted out" of Longhorn besides WinFS being moved to an SP release?

[EmbraceThePenguin]

back to the subject...

i am disappointed that MS is already scaling back the OS. I mean we are still some time before 2005, and they are already cutting Longhorn down. To me this signals only the beginning. They will deliver it late and it won't be anything ultra-cool.

I am a sucker for good looks and I want an OS that looks as good as the Mac stuff without the $1000 pricetag for hardware. I don't care if its BEOS, Linux, or MS. I just want something that looks cool.

One thing MS could easily cut would be all those balloon pop ups. I just had to reinstall xp and I was greeted with no less than 5-6 popups. I JUST WANT THE START MENU TO OPEN!!! STOP POPPING UP!!! I think that's what I shouted, of course xp didn't hear me because my mic was not plugged in.

If I use IE, then I use the Google tool bar. It has a popup blocker on it that works well.

Otherwise, try out Mozilla Firefox. That works good too.

You can also try Spybot - Search and destroy. That has a nice blocker in it that runs as a service I belive and stops stuff like that.

Later

[GreNME]

If I use IE, then I use the Google tool bar. It has a popup blocker on it that works well.

Otherwise, try out Mozilla Firefox. That works good too.

You can also try Spybot - Search and destroy. That has a nice blocker in it that runs as a service I belive and stops stuff like that.

Later
1. You are talking about the wrong "pop-ups"

2. Great way to "embrace the penguin" there...

[EmbraceThePenguin]

Okay, back to the subject:

Can anyone give me the list of things that are being "gutted out" of Longhorn besides WinFS being moved to an SP release?

I belive Avalon and Indigo communications subsystem are also going to be cut. I read today that they will include them in XP and Win2K3 as SP updates.

Look here at the bottom of the page
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1565227,00.asp

Later

[EmbraceThePenguin]

1. You are talking about the wrong "pop-ups"

2. Great way to "embrace the penguin" there...

HEHE. :)

OOhh, The ballon messages that come on the screen of the desktop... Gotcha :)

[GreNME]

I belive Avalon and Indigo communications subsystem are also going to be cut. I read today that they will include them in XP and Win2K3 as SP updates.

Look here at the bottom of the page
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1565227,00.asp

Later
Nope, you are incorrect so far. Avalon and Indigo are both going to be in Longhorn, though there will be releases for both XP and 2k3 to allow them to use them as well (though no real details have been given).

Instead of rumor mills and ignorant speculation, how about some actual facts, guys? So far, the only fact is that WinFS won't come until later and some of the features in Longhorn are going to actually become available to XP/2k3.

Where are all the "gutted" things?

[NewBlackDak]

...I am a sucker for good looks and I want an OS that looks as good as the Mac stuff without the $1000 pricetag for hardware. I don't care if its BEOS, Linux, or MS. I just want something that looks cool.
How's this (http://www.freewebs.com/newblackdak/images/deskshot.png)?

[EmbraceThePenguin]

Here is some more info on the subject from Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1565118,00.asp

[EmbraceThePenguin]

How's this (http://www.freewebs.com/newblackdak/images/deskshot.png)?

Or This
http://www.joeman1.com/~jgiles/joesdesktop.jpg :D

[Phoenix86]

Actually, I came up with the Wintendo comment first. I have over 20 years in the industry, so I think I have enough knowledge about it to call it what I want to call it. I know exactly what kind of impact MS has on the world, but that doest stop it from manufacturing the worlds most expensive personal gamming OS. Sure, you can use it in the office and even set up a little home file and print server out of it, but in the end, its still a toy; nothing more. Wintendo, if gaming is all you use windows for, great. The rest of the world has other uses. I'm supporting an ENTIRE COMPANY of windows machines, millions and millions of dollars flow through this company (and we are only a medium size company). If you think wintendo is an accurate name for a platform that's capable of supporting business needs like that... Well, lets just say this whole thread is flamebait, at least, it is now...

This thread was not meant to be about Linux vs. Windows. Gee, that's all your posting about now...

/me grabs another beer and watches some more

[GreNME]

Here is some more info on the subject from Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1565118,00.asp
Dude, that site is not a Microsoft site. In fact, they seem more like a self-appointed tabloid about Microsoft.

For instance:
There is no "XP Reloaded" in existence. It was simply talk about a possible interim release that has never made it past discussion.
The site self-links, never pointing to an actual source. Never trust a "journalist" who can't actually cite sources.
Even that article cannot actually say anything more than WinFS not being in the release for Longhorn. In other words, it just says that WinFS is the only thing being "gutted."


Just because the site has "microsoft" in the name does not mean that they have any real info on Microsoft. After all, fuckmicrosoft.com has "microsoft" in the name, but is full of horribly false and misleading information.

Gotta give me a little more substance, here...

[EmbraceThePenguin]

Dude, that site is not a Microsoft site. In fact, they seem more like a self-appointed tabloid about Microsoft.

For instance:
There is no "XP Reloaded" in existence. It was simply talk about a possible interim release that has never made it past discussion.
The site self-links, never pointing to an actual source. Never trust a "journalist" who can't actually cite sources.
Even that article cannot actually say anything more than WinFS not being in the release for Longhorn. In other words, it just says that WinFS is the only thing being "gutted."


Just because the site has "microsoft" in the name does not mean that they have any real info on Microsoft. After all, fuckmicrosoft.com has "microsoft" in the name, but is full of horribly false and misleading information.

Gotta give me a little more substance, here...

Gee, sorry, was just trying to help :confused:

Maybe the WinFS is the only thing getting cut. I guess I miss read the article I posted...

/me shuts up

[j4zzee]

Wintendo, if gaming is all you use windows for, great. The rest of the world has other uses. I'm supporting an ENTIRE COMPANY of windows machines, millions and millions of dollars flow through this company (and we are only a medium size company). If you think wintendo is an accurate name for a platform that's capable of supporting business needs like that... Well, lets just say this whole thread is flamebait, at least, it is now.../me grabs another beer and watches some more
Although I am blissfully ignorant.. I too support a company which generates millions in sales a year. We have Windows, Linux, and Netware servers sitting in our racks. Our IT business and purchasing decsions were based on using the best tool for the job which meets OUR needs.

I still find Uncle Bill, Micros~1, and Wintendo to be humorous and maybe even subtle terms of endearment.
Are we not allowed to poke fun at Microsoft? I guess I am one who doesn't attach personal sentiments to operating systems...
gotta go... there is a windows server that needs rebooting.. I am KIDDING :p

[EmbraceThePenguin]

Although I am blissfully ignorant.. I too support a company which generates millions in sales a year. We have Windows, Linux, and Netware servers sitting in our racks. Our IT business and purchasing decsions were based on using the best tool for the job which meets OUR needs.

I still find Uncle Bill, Micros~1, and Wintendo to be humorous and maybe even subtle terms of endearment.
Are we not allowed to poke fun at Microsoft? I guess I am one who doesn't attach personal sentiments to operating systems...
gotta go... there is a windows server that needs rebooting.. I am KIDDING :p


I have noticed that operating systems and those who use them have become somewhat of a religeon (SP?). Like you, we use Linux and Windows (Havent used Net Ware or OS/2 in a while) and like them both.

I dunno, maybe not a religeon (SP?) but maybe a cult following :eek:

Besids, everyone knows that Linux is the best OS ...

/me runs and hides from all the rocks being thrown

I was just kidding about the Linux comment (Dont want to piss off GreNME :D )

[GreNME]

Gee, sorry, was just trying to help :confused:

Maybe the WinFS is the only thing getting cut. I guess I miss read the article I posted...

/me shuts up
Oh, no, don't feel bad. I was just pointing out that we have to be a little skeptical about the rumors that are spreading about. Hey, at least you were one of the few who probably read the article.

And it's not like WinFS wasn't a big deal. It was a huge selling point for the upgrade. Now, as it stands, it looks like the next release will be a typical evolution (not a bad thing), with some bigger changes coming in service packs later (as usual). So, it sounds like more of the same.

I have no problem with that. I didn't switch to XP personally until well after SP1, and may decide to do something similar with Longhorn. We shall have to just wait and see. :)

p.s.—you don't have to worry about pissing me off. :) If Linux is best for you, then that's cool. I like it as well, but of the two I use Windows more, mostly out of personal preference.

[Phoenix86]

Although I am blissfully ignorant.. I too support a company which generates millions in sales a year. We have Windows, Linux, and Netware servers sitting in our racks. Our IT business and purchasing decsions were based on using the best tool for the job which meets OUR needs.

I still find Uncle Bill, Micros~1, and Wintendo to be humorous and maybe even subtle terms of endearment.
Are we not allowed to poke fun at Microsoft? I guess I am one who doesn't attach personal sentiments to operating systems...
gotta go... there is a windows server that needs rebooting.. I am KIDDING :p
I'm not saying business only run windows, just that windows is a VERY viable platform for functioning companies, and the wintendo remark implies it's a gaming OS. The fact that your company is trying to be fiscally responsible (trying to use the best tool for the job) and ends up using windows platforms is a good example of this, just like my company.

Sure you can poke fun at MS, but if your trying to make a serious point, using derogatory terms won't help.

For the record I find the wintendo remark funny, not correct, but funny. :p

/me embraces the penguin a little too tight around the neck.

whoops

/me lets go.

[EmbraceThePenguin]

I'm not saying business only run windows, just that windows is a VERY viable platform for functioning companies, and the wintendo remark implies it's a gaming OS. The fact that your company is trying to be fiscally responsible (trying to use the best tool for the job) and ends up using windows platforms is a good example of this, just like my company.

Sure you can poke fun at MS, but if your trying to make a serious point, using derogatory terms won't help.

For the record I find the wintendo remark funny, not correct, but funny. :p

/me embraces the penguin a little too tight around the neck.

whoops

/me lets go.

Cough...Cough.. Chuckle.... Wheew... Thanks man :)

[jcm44]

Holy crap you guys reply quickly. Yes I was talking about the ballon popups, I pop them with tweakui, a nice balloon popup popper. So far everything I have seen, says WinFS is the only thing being left out.

And about the linux vs windows thing, is there ever a thread where windows is brought up that linux isn't brought up? I mean they are like an old married couple.

...Leaves to go recompile a kernel and reboot windows 95 version b.

[OldPueblo]

Man, I should be paid by this guy...

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview_2004.asp

(What will be included is near the bottom. No, not my bottom you pervs...)

[j4zzee]

BTW... I can't wait till Longhorn & Longhorn Server actually are released.
I am sure I will be one of the first in line to see Redmond's latest creations...

cd
/me lets go :)