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em00guy
08-19-2004, 08:16 PM
I'm also posting this at ocforums so if i get the two boards mixed up forgive me.

.::I. Prolouge::.

Project: Blu is the progeny of my frustration with the mundane wind tunnel currently polluting my den. I’ve grown tiresome of disguising its mediocrity with cold cathodes and EL wire. Trouble is, I seem to harbor an immoderacy complex that prevents me from proceeding with anything in a modest manner. As such, some of you may find the unfathomable l337itude of Blu mildly obscene. Alright, so I’m a bit pretentious, I’ll tone down the rhetoric and present my vision of Blu. Project: Blu, when completed will be the fusion of an original custom case modification and an extreme water cooling solution. The two premises will be divided into a pair of phases, the first of which will be the case mod and second of which will be the water cooling system. The precise nature of the case modification is evolving every day but it will involve replacing nearly 80% of the surface area of the case with custom shaped acrylic panels and a special front end treatment I’ll describe below. The cooling set up will be a manifestation of my various compulsive and extravagance disorders all rolled up in a bun and served with a side of absurdness and a cold pitcher of “WTF” to wash it down! Lets just say dual foot long heater cores (radiators) cooled by two 600 cfm blowers each the size of a small Australian orphan and a 600 gpm pump with 22’ (thats alot) of head. Anyway that’s enough of that lets get to it. I hope you’ll all follow this project and help me counter my crippling ADD when it flares up.

[edit: BTW it may also be a bit blue]

.::II. Lets DO the damn thang::.

Alright Err…Phase one. So let the m0daliciousness commence. Let me first start by posting pics of the current riggage:


http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0986.jpg
cute cat but one day i'll be shoveling cat dander from my intake fans

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1001.jpg

Its nothing to complain about but its also been done. I’ll give you a brief overview of what I fancy for the case. As you can see it is a standard issue Chieftec dragon with a pre-modified window kit. I’ve decided that this case will work marvelously for my application due to its size and relative design simplicity. My plan is to start by cutting out the front center grill structure from the face of the case leaving a large hole in façade of the case. I will then rectify that abomination by patching the cutout with layers of electric blue window tint I purchased from the local auto parts store. So when staring at the front of the case instead if looking at a grilled façade and door you will see a reflective blue sheet (hopefully backed by some sort of el lighting. I will then attempt to stencil and cut a design (perhaps a dragon or Asian/Arabic characters) into a material that will be sandwiched in the layers of tint. When staring at the case the net effect will be a glowing blue surface with the faint silhouette of a stenciled dragon (or whatever). If you can envision this the way I currently am you’ve just fouled yourself. Now clean in up, it smells. Both side panels will be fitted with clear acrylic “windowlets”: cut into an organic design that will flow with the elements that will be protruding from the case (like those uber blowers) I jostled with the concept of tinting the windows but alternatively I opted to keep them clear to parade what will be the defining attribute of Blu. I will paint the entire aluminum chassis of the case metallic blue which will be exposed through the various windowlets in top and sides of the case. This will be contrasted by a refinish of the metallic silver outer shell (may the lord have mercy on my soul). I’m also playing with the idea of an extreme mobo tray mod, I’ll give you details as I refine the design. This design with be full of idiosyncrasies that will be revealed as the build advances And I may need lots of aid to pull it off.

{edit:} It's 4am here, I was gonna post some pics from the work i started but I can't even keep my eyes open so i'll do it tommorow morning.

em00guy
08-19-2004, 08:17 PM
.::III. *blasphemy* would you get on with it already::.

Ok as a starting point I chose the front façade mod outlined above because it would be the least stressful to my meager pocketbook. I have also not yet acquired a replacement case to house the computer whilst I mod the old case. However a few years back I purchased a replacement front panel for the dragon so I’ll mod the replacement. This way in case of a mistake I still have the original façade as backup. Here are the pics from the first day of work.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0987.jpg
This is the replacement front panel notice it’s a bit different than the original dragon design. However the principle shape remains.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0988.jpg
Another shot of the inner door un-modded.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0989.jpg
I first removed the small insert in the door. The basic outline made by the insert depression and the grill is what will be removed.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0990.jpg
Now the insert depression in the door has been removed.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0991.jpg
You can get a better view of what I’m doing from the inside

em00guy
08-19-2004, 08:18 PM
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0994.jpg
Quite an unsightly job; Oh and btw, plastic is a bitch to cut with a rotary tool. It melts as the cutting wheel spins so you end up with large deposits of melted plastic above and beneath the cut. However, if you allow a few seconds to cool the deposits just snap off under pressure.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0992.jpg
Ahh, and here is my pseudo Dremelicious rotary tool. In this pic (may not be able to make it out) the cutting wheel has cracked because the friction caused the rotation to stop and it bent. Word of guidance, don’t cheap on your rotary tool. GET A DREMEL.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0993.jpg
And now the bottom grill is removed (this one was hard) Perhaps now you can share in my vision. The hole you now see will be lined with the window tint treatment I outlined above. I know you think it sounds crude, but I don’t care about you and I know it will look very professional and original.

em00guy
08-19-2004, 08:20 PM
I then used the rotary too to grind down any edges.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0994.jpg
Door before grinding

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0995.jpg
Door after grinding

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0997.jpg
Bottom before grinding

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0998.jpg
Bottom after grinding

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1000.jpg
One problem I encountered is a difference in surface texture from the door to the rest of the panel. As such, I decided to sand the whole mess down so the paint would not look mismatch. After all I want this case to look very professional. This is a cursory sanding with 150 grit paper (took eons). I’ll do another sanding with 220 later today.

em00guy
08-19-2004, 08:21 PM
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_0999.jpg
BTW don’t forget to remove all the buttons and LEDs from the case before you sand the damn thing. The one remaining is the power switch which proved resistant I had to break the two tabs on either side to remove it (hope that won’t be an issue later).

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1003.jpg
After the madness a thought ensued. What if I use the dismembered grill as a blowhole grill for the top of the case? Yes, yes that would be excellent. I placed it up top so you can get an idea of how it would appear. I’m in debate over whether to paint it chrome or metallic blue. Perhaps you could give me guidance on that.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1004.jpg
Here is the grill with the accessory door open It will be convenient there. I will replace the mic and headphone port with an Xbox controller port so I can use my Xbox controller on my pc.

We’ll that’s enough for this update. more to come.

DiZASTiX
08-19-2004, 08:23 PM
hey, nice start, looking pretty good so far :)

I am doing a similar mod with my chieftec type case (remove front panel design and I want to replace it with plexi.)

I will be keeping my eye on this :)

em00guy
08-19-2004, 08:26 PM
hey, nice start, looking pretty good so far :)

I am doing a similar mod with my chieftec type case (remove front panel design and I want to replace it with plexi.)

I will be keeping my eye on this :)

funny you mention that because i just decided to use a tinted plexi shield instead o fjust strait tint.

Elmntskater1588
08-19-2004, 09:28 PM
Sweet Case, howd you get all the guts and blood out? will a regular motherboard Fit in that thing? you should have the cd tray pop out of the mouth!

em00guy
08-19-2004, 09:35 PM
Sweet Case, howd you get all the guts and blood out? will a regular motherboard Fit in that thing? you should have the cd tray pop out of the mouth!

????????????

Atragon
08-19-2004, 09:47 PM
Metalic blue!

em00guy
08-22-2004, 04:31 PM
I'm thinking of chroming this outer shell. Anyone know how much this costs? I found some excellent chrome paint but its $135 usd for 8-oz

siege
08-22-2004, 05:01 PM
????????????

I'm sure he was refering to the cat in the first pic :)

looks like a good start. and damn, you have some good grammar :cool:

flat4
08-22-2004, 06:04 PM
looks good so far. i have the same case but its the black version. i see your door still has the clip that holds the door on. mine broke some how and it usually gets kicked around my room.
i was thinkin about doing the same thing with the door. but i have to finsh my other project first.

siege
08-22-2004, 09:31 PM
looks good so far. i have the same case but its the black version. i see your door still has the clip that holds the door on. mine broke some how and it usually gets kicked around my room.
i was thinkin about doing the same thing with the door. but i have to finsh my other project first.

I think a lot of us have the same case as that :) I have the black/purple version, cept its now black/silver and soon to be torn up beyond recognition :cool:

Brad4321
08-22-2004, 09:40 PM
Chrome paint isn't really "chrome" but a shiny silver. Real chrome, like what you see on car bumpers, is a multiprocess finishing that can't come in a can. For $135, it should come very close at that price, but still not quite the same. Maybe you could test the paint to see how well it would look before you buy? For that price, I would hate to get something shitty.

siege
08-22-2004, 09:42 PM
Chrome paint isn't really "chrome" but a shiny silver. Real chrome, like what you see on car bumpers, is a multiprocess finishing that can't come in a can. For $135, it should come very close at that price, but still not quite the same. Maybe you could test the paint to see how well it would look before you buy? For that price, I would hate to get something shitty.

I've also heard you can't sand the chrome paint down - it'll turn a dull gray. Anyway, chroming is pretty cheap, isn't it? I'd think you could get the case done for $100 or so, but I really have no idea as I've never really looked into it.

JEEVES/whohasmyname?
08-23-2004, 12:50 AM
It will cost more like 200 for a chieftec. I did look into getting mine painted. A guy on another forum chromed his for around 200.

JEEVES

em00guy
08-23-2004, 02:55 AM
This paint sounds a bit more promising than standard spray paint, check it out and give me your opinion.

http://www.alsacorp.com/products/mirrachrome/mirra_prodinfo.htm

GJSNeptune
08-23-2004, 03:03 AM
Looks like your cat wants to apprentice.

v3rt1g0
08-23-2004, 03:33 AM
I like where you're going.. Watching this thread.. :)

em00guy
08-23-2004, 01:55 PM
Ok, the time has come for a small update. I haven't had much time to work on this project. However, I decided to compose a few sketches to help everyone understand what i'm trying to do. I apologize in advance for my lackluster illustrations.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/blusketch.jpg

The large protrusion in the back is the power supply for those two 48v 3 amp blowers I'm sure you noticed. The small dots lining the top grill and front window are small stainless steel 4-40 socket head cap screws that look really nice. I'll post pics soon. The side window design is a work in progress. I'll update you folks as the design evolves.

em00guy
09-01-2004, 02:47 AM
.:: III Updizzle ::.
Well, alrighty then. It’s been some time since the last update. Nevertheless, work has progressed. Since my last post I’ve finished the installation of the front window. As with many of my deviations I underwent a small change of tactic per the suggestion of another user. I decided that it would be much easier to mount an acrylic window to the front of the case then tint the Acrylic. I found these eye catching socket head cap stainless steel screws that I’ll use to secure the window to the front panel. They give the case an interesting industrial look.

Here are the holes I drilled into the panel with my rotary tool. This took hours to plan measure draw and drill. You can still see the marks from measurement
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1014.jpg


One of the two pieces of acrylic that were used:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1016.jpg


The bottom panel cut and screwed into place:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1019.jpg


Side view so you can see the unique screws:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1020.jpg


Rear view of the panel with the lower acrylic window fitted:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1022.jpg

em00guy
09-01-2004, 02:51 AM
Both acrylic windows fitted:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1023.jpg


Close view of the fitted windows and the socket screws:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1024.jpg


Front door open:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1025.jpg


That’s it for today I’ll post some better pics of the front panel tomorrow morning. Incase your wondering i have not tinted the windows yet because i wanted to test fit them first.

SacLANd
09-01-2004, 02:55 AM
I dig those screws. good going with that design.
What type of lighting do you have in mind?

v3rt1g0
09-01-2004, 03:24 AM
cooooool... :) :)

jinxnate
09-01-2004, 03:39 AM
gj on the plexi, i like the look of those screws
i will be looking forward to see this finished

XeRo_Dark
09-01-2004, 03:52 AM
cool idea with the screws, adds more of an industrial look and feel to your case :D
looks shweet so far, cant wait to see the finished product :D

ReVRiN
09-01-2004, 10:00 AM
Wow you are doing a fantastic job. I can't wait to see you new pics, I have the exact same case and I'm getting the urge to mod again...

MasiveMunkey
09-01-2004, 11:13 AM
I did a similar thing to my antec clon, but when I test fited the plexi it wouldn't clear my fan controller. Your project has given me the idea of grinding down the plastic before trying to attach the plexi. BTW those screws are awesome!

em00guy
09-01-2004, 12:14 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I dig those screws. good going with that design.
What type of lighting do you have in mind?

Not positive about the lighting. Inside the case i'll use some bright blue cold cathodes and some super bright leds. It's important that everything remains hidden though. I'm not sure about the front panel however. thhe problem is i'll be using a mirror tint so it will not be easy to make light escape the front panel without degrading the mirror effect. I'll also have to somehow diffuse the light so that the light lglows evenly from the panel.

em00guy
09-02-2004, 09:58 PM
Hot diggity damnation!!! MY BLOWERS ARE HERE. Ok so my EBM blowers arrived and they are MASSIVE! I’m starting to be concerned that these leviathan’s will bring the aluminum case frame to its mercy. Over the next week I’ll be working on a method to power these 48v, 3 amp beasts. Below are some pics to bring the absurdity of my creation to reference.

Found the kitty dry humping my size 12 sandal so placed one blower down for a photo op:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1032.jpg

I had my brother hold both fans in what will be their approximate resting place. As you can see I am a madman for doing this to my innocent rig. This really gives reference to the scale of these things. They submit to gravity like i never imagined, my brother who is 6’4” was straining hard to hold the blowers in place:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1033.jpg

One more gratuitous kitty shot:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1029.jpg

em00guy
09-03-2004, 01:14 PM
Hey someone help me find some bad ass grills for those blowers. 120mm Grills will do the trick.

TMOA
09-03-2004, 01:25 PM
em,
like the idea of the blowers as far as fan grills go i would custom make some outta plexi (if your not comfortable with that im sure someone here could aid you in the creation of said grills or if you plan on using 2 grills side by side (120mm if i correct) then look into grills for Frozen CPU or Xoide , they have some killer ones but i still like the hand made idea better.

If ya have any idea let me know via PM i have tons of scrap Plexi and a itchy dremel hand ...lol

Later

P.S. i to have a similiar case which was my first mod hehe

MAXX RS4
09-03-2004, 02:36 PM
I personally like the grills that are already on there.. Maybe just clean them up and paint or shine them or something..

How is that air gonna behave? Tons of air blowing in from opposite sides right at eachother? Is there ducting inside the case?

Looks cool though.. I wanna see this thing completed..

em00guy
09-03-2004, 04:15 PM
I personally like the grills that are already on there.. Maybe just clean them up and paint or shine them or something..

How is that air gonna behave? Tons of air blowing in from opposite sides right at eachother? Is there ducting inside the case?

Looks cool though.. I wanna see this thing completed..

Each fan will be ducted. And the grill is a necessity or this thing will gurgitate my kitty. Think of it as a muzzle.

bobsaget
09-03-2004, 04:30 PM
This is gonna be sweet!

It looks like a 747's jets! :)

MasiveMunkey
09-06-2004, 10:31 PM
WOW I wonder how much air those blow... Your case is going to look so awesome with those attached to the sides.

STRESSTEST
09-06-2004, 10:55 PM
This paint sounds a bit more promising than standard spray paint, check it out and give me your opinion.

http://www.alsacorp.com/products/mirrachrome/mirra_prodinfo.htm

Sorry for going off topic here, but what is the name of that Hendrix song in the last WMP clip they used?


edit: Found it. :P

em00guy
09-09-2004, 10:53 PM
WOW I wonder how much air those blow... Your case is going to look so awesome with those attached to the sides.

600cfm each at full voltage

Bad_Boy
09-09-2004, 11:13 PM
600cfm each at full voltage
:eek:


....if that aint [H]ard, I dont know what is. :cool:

M1dknight
09-10-2004, 10:24 AM
Me thinks that after this mod he will be [H]ard of hearing...

and I though my 4 x Tornado's were bad.

You are crazy and I like it! :D

em00guy
09-11-2004, 03:11 PM
.:: IV. Power ::.

I’ve spent the last week attempting to find a solution to power those blowers. I wanted to power them to the 48v which made things difficult. I tried to find some power supplies on ebay but instead an interesting option arose. Under the recommendation of some smart people I’ve decided to build a pulse with modulator to vary the speed and power the whole mess with a modified transformer I fished out of a microwave. The microwave transformer was recommended because it is extremely heavy duty and can supply more amperage that I’d ever need. One problem though. I only need 48v, my microwave transformer supplied 2000v. So I found some instructions online on how to rewind a microwave transformer to supply lower voltages at higher amps. I’ll be removing the secondary winding and rewinding it with 13 gauge enameled magnet wire. Here are some pics.

The freshly liberated transformer on a text book for scale. This damn thing weighs at least 10 pounds.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1139.jpg


Removed the insulation paper from the secondary. The thick wire is the 120v primary the fine wire is the 2000v secondary. That’s what I have to remove.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1142.jpg


Started at it with a hacksaw.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1144.jpg


After 1 hour of sawing I made it through.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1145.jpg


This is when I realized all that sawing was for nothing. I simply pulled out my jig saw and lopped the whole mess off.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1146.jpg

em00guy
09-11-2004, 03:16 PM
I then hammered a ratchet through the secondary winding hole and WAM! the windings came out.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1148.jpg


The fruits of my labor.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1149.jpg


Next step is to rewind it to 48v. I’m heading downstairs to do this right now so if you don’t here from me in a day or so assume I was electrocuted.

apHytHiaTe
09-11-2004, 03:35 PM
Wow that is awesome! GL on the not getting electrocuted:D Those blowers are... i cant describe.... too beautiful for words *tears well up in eyes*
How loud are those beasts? Also, i love your witty commentary, its neat to see an awesome case mod and cool writing!

em00guy
09-12-2004, 09:00 PM
Anyone know where i can get transformer laquer

em00guy
09-14-2004, 02:42 AM
Wow that is awesome! GL on the not getting electrocuted:D Those blowers are... i cant describe.... too beautiful for words *tears well up in eyes*
How loud are those beasts? Also, i love your witty commentary, its neat to see an awesome case mod and cool writing!

Thanks for the praise. Don't know how loud the blowers are. Thats why i'm building this transformer. hopefully i'll know soon.

em00guy
09-14-2004, 02:45 AM
I’m beginning to regret my decision to wind my own transformer. I cannot imagine a harder task (except perhaps passing a chicken bone). I’m winding the secondary with 13 AWG enameled wire so envision if you will trying to thread 80ft of clothes hanger wire through two holes and wrapping it tightly around a square pole. The positive news is that I managed to wrap enough wire in 4 hours to test my transformer and it seems to work. I managed to get 13.8 volts from 10 windings and my house has not burned down. So all in all I’ve scored a small victory for geekdom. This battle was not won without caveats. After running it for 5 minuets the transformer got slightly warm. This concerns me because this is only 14 volts under no load (except my multi-meter). In operation it will be putting out up to 48v @ 6-7 amps so I may consider heatsinking (<<bad verbed noun alert!!) this baby. If any one has any bright ideas on making that work let me know. Oh yeah, more pics.

Just finished the first windings W00t W00t!!!
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1152.jpg


The 80ft of copper wire that I’ll need to wind.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1153.jpg


My first test run at 10 windings. 13.8 volts and I’m still alive to tell you about it.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1154.jpg

DRJ1014
09-14-2004, 04:09 AM
http://upload.serverseed.com/pictars4/DCP_1146.jpg


that freaked me out

CrimandEvil
09-14-2004, 04:24 AM
@#!% Those are some HUGE fans! :eek:

apHytHiaTe
09-14-2004, 10:14 PM
that freaked me out
huh?

CrimsonSky
09-14-2004, 10:38 PM
Oh man I'm scared..and I'm not even the one wrapping copper :D

I cant wait to see it fired up. keep that cat away from the intakes.

DRJ1014
09-14-2004, 11:24 PM
huh?
it looks like a cat head staring at me :D

em00guy
09-15-2004, 12:47 AM
it looks like a cat head staring at me :D

just a paper bag...filled with eyeballs. BWAHAHA.

v3rt1g0
09-15-2004, 01:00 AM
Anyone know where i can get transformer laquer

Check this out.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAU61&P=ML

Informally called "Airplane Dope".
It's intended purpose is for model airplane building, but I'm going to use it to coat the inductors on my motherboard (silence freak). I just ordered some myself, so I don't know the exact characteristics, but I've been told it gets really hard after drying, which is exactly what I/we need.

em00guy
09-15-2004, 01:04 AM
Check this out.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAU61&P=ML

Informally called "Airplane Dope".
It's intended purpose is for model airplane building, but I'm going to use it to coat the inductors on my motherboard (silence freak). I just ordered some myself, so I don't know the exact characteristics, but I've been told it gets really hard after drying, which is exactly what I/we need.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunatly this stuff only has a heat tolerence of 80 F and i imagine at full load my transformer will get much hotter than that.

v3rt1g0
09-15-2004, 01:33 AM
From the product page

"Sand smooth and clean surface. Use at 70 to 80 degrees (F), brushing or airbrushing with several thin coats instead of one heavy coat."

What they mean by that is that you should apply the product when the air tempurature is close to that tempurature, not that that is the maximum tempurature threshold after dried. I would think the maximum tempurature for the cured product would be much, much higher. I'll look around.

EDIT: Just sent an email to midwest asking about the temps. http://www.midwestproducts.com/consumer%20customer%20service.htm

em00guy
09-15-2004, 09:19 AM
From the product page

"Sand smooth and clean surface. Use at 70 to 80 degrees (F), brushing or airbrushing with several thin coats instead of one heavy coat."

What they mean by that is that you should apply the product when the air tempurature is close to that tempurature, not that that is the maximum tempurature threshold after dried. I would think the maximum tempurature for the cured product would be much, much higher. I'll look around.

EDIT: Just sent an email to midwest asking about the temps. http://www.midwestproducts.com/consumer%20customer%20service.htm

THats a good point, sorry I read that @ 1am

em00guy
09-19-2004, 09:38 PM
Woopty W00p w00p!!! I did it. After 1 week, two blistered hands, tons of research and a near electrocution I’ve finished the first phase of my power supply circuit. 34 windings of the microwave transformer secondary gave me 50.7 volts DC across a filter capacitor and a full wave rectifier (though it drops to 43v under the load of one fan). Thusly marking my first opportunity to test my fans. Damn these things are powerful at full voltage! With just one fan powered I was ducking projectile dander all over the room. The caveats of many of you proved true, these beasts ROAR! Surprisingly though, there is nearly zero mechanical noise. All the noise seems to come from rushing air. I cannot make out the faintest whisper from the motor. This is positive news because it means some clever ducting will suppress the sound. As usual there are pics and even a BONUS VIDEO of my initial run.

The initial powered test of the finished supply circuit with no load. That’s a 6800uf 100v capacitor above the multi-meter and the full wave rectifier to the right. Under advice from a co-worker I once attempted to discharge that cap by shorting it with a pair of metal pliers. Let’s just say that was the near electrocution.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1196.jpg


A closer look at the fully wound transformer.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1199.jpg

A view of my test setup with 1 fan attached.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1204.jpg

THE MOVIE!!! Excuse the quality. I shot this with the video mode of my 2MP Kodak Still camera. You need quicktime.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1203.mov

In the passing days i'll be building the speed controller for the fans. If i have time tomorrow I 'll post a video of both fans in operation. Back to the workshop.

Morphes
09-19-2004, 10:29 PM
holy shit dude, i didnt understand ur idea until the movie. Christ you are going to get so tired of that so fast lol, but more [H] power to ya! Where do you plan to mount that thing? and wont this cause horrible EMI or sumthin like that?

Oneos
09-19-2004, 10:33 PM
1. wow....

2. woww...

3. ur gonna need really smart ventillation to quiet those things

SacLANd
09-19-2004, 10:38 PM
i wouldn't worry about EMI because it is on a seperate power line.
unfortunatly i dont care for quicktime but i could imagine those blowers are very strong.

apHytHiaTe
09-19-2004, 10:41 PM
In the passing days i'll be building the speed controller for the fans.

That is key! Keep those beasts at bay! Hmmm... i bet u could put wheels on your rig and let it run all over the room. Watch out cat!!

Met-AL
09-19-2004, 10:53 PM
Unbelievable. Anyone who winds his own transformer is definately [H]ard.

em00guy
09-19-2004, 11:04 PM
holy shit dude, i didnt understand ur idea until the movie. Christ you are going to get so tired of that so fast lol, but more [H] power to ya! Where do you plan to mount that thing? and wont this cause horrible EMI or sumthin like that?

Thats why i'm building the speed controlor. I'll reserve the full 48v for getting geeky women into bed. Never thought of EMI, I'll look into that. Should be pretty easy to sheild though since the fans are mounted outside the case.

em00guy
09-19-2004, 11:05 PM
Unbelievable. Anyone who winds his own transformer is definately [H]ard.

*blushing*

lentic
09-20-2004, 05:44 PM
All I can say is that I have been looking for fans like that for awhile .... but never could come up w/ a decent easy way of powering them

Hats of for wiring that [H] transformer.... damn that is so 1337...

em00guy
09-20-2004, 08:34 PM
All I can say is that I have been looking for fans like that for awhile .... but never could come up w/ a decent easy way of powering them

Hats of for wiring that [H] transformer.... damn that is so 1337...

Thanks...There are easier ways to power them. 48v PSU's are frequently listed on ebay I just wanted the experience of winding a transformer. What will be complex is constructing the speed controller.

M1dknight
09-21-2004, 03:59 PM
Thanks...There are easier ways to power them. 48v PSU's are frequently listed on ebay I just wanted the experience of winding a transformer. What will be complex is constructing the speed controller.

The experience of winding a transformer! What are you crazy I have done a few much smaller ones myself but damn I would happily pay good money to avoid that experience!

em00guy
09-21-2004, 08:35 PM
I'ts gonna be a while till the next update whilst I build the fan controller so I thought I'd post a teaser. My brother created this concept, upon seeing it I messed myself and I hope you will all meet with the same misfortune.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/project_blue_concept.jpg

theshadow27
09-21-2004, 09:13 PM
that has to be one of the most functional, coolest mods i have ever seen. ever.
now all you need is cones on the turbines so it looks like the SR71 engines...

and i hope you have some sick overclocking to go behind all of that air flow.

EDIT: hmm, duley AMD64 overclocked? + X800? wit northbridge/southbridge/ram watercooled? insane potential, but i dont know what you could put in there to make that much heat. thos blowers could keep a 5.0 mustang with the throtal jammed open ice cold...

apHytHiaTe
09-21-2004, 09:59 PM
way off topic, but i dont think a64's have a southbridge.

em00guy
09-21-2004, 11:15 PM
way off topic, but i dont think a64's have a southbridge.

Sure they do, Your thinking of the displaced memory controller. It's tipically on the northbridge in most mobos but a64's have on chip memory controllers. So technically they have a bastard stepson of a northbridge.

EDIT: hmm, duley AMD64 overclocked? + X800? wit northbridge/southbridge/ram watercooled? insane potential, but i dont know what you could put in there to make that much heat. thos blowers could keep a 5.0 mustang with the throtal jammed open ice cold...

I'm embarrased to admit that i'm running an athlon 1800+ and my mobo does not even have mounting holes. I plan to upgrade after i finish the project but since this is my first water cooling attempt I decided it would be best to experiment on antiquated equiptment. If i fry my mobo and/or athlon I'll only be out ~$75 USD. If i fry an A64 i'm out 2 months rent.

Quicksilver
09-22-2004, 02:38 PM
but since this is my first water cooling attempt I decided it would be best to experiment on antiquated equiptment.

I was wondering if you were going to simply air cool the box or if water cooling was to be implimented, now I know.

So where/how are you going to mount the radiator?

v3rt1g0
09-22-2004, 03:00 PM
I received my airplance dope (laquer - Aerogloss) about a week ago. I applied some to the inductors on my motherboard, let it dry for 24 hrs. I booted up, and there was no sound coming from the mobo. Alright, sometimes I can BARELY hear some noise, but it's easily 4x less than what it was before. That's with the sidepanel off. :cool:

I'd highly recommend this stuff. Midwest Aerogloss.
Havn't heard back on the temp. rating yet, but my motherboard hasn't cought on fire :) ... yet. :rolleyes:

EDIT: oh, and that mockup looks badass :)

em00guy
09-22-2004, 04:14 PM
I was wondering if you were going to simply air cool the box or if water cooling was to be implimented, now I know.

So where/how are you going to mount the radiator?

they will be 2 12" radiators mounted horizantaly across the left and right inside of the case. the blowers are designed to blow through them

I received my airplance dope (laquer - Aerogloss) about a week ago. I applied some to the inductors on my motherboard, let it dry for 24 hrs. I booted up, and there was no sound coming from the mobo. Alright, sometimes I can BARELY hear some noise, but it's easily 4x less than what it was before. That's with the sidepanel off.

I'd highly recommend this stuff. Midwest Aerogloss.
Havn't heard back on the temp. rating yet, but my motherboard hasn't cought on fire ... yet.

i may have to get some now.

theshadow27
09-22-2004, 04:40 PM
the only other thing that could make this "cooler" is if you had the massive blowers cooling the coils of a vapor cooling set... hell you could take an old AC unit and take it apart and throw it in the case, or a dehumidifyer would work too. you could easly keep the whole inside of the case at 0c or below, just because of the airflow.

SpangeMonkee
09-22-2004, 10:54 PM
I managed to get 13.8 volts from 10 windings and my house has not burned down.


bwaaahahaha..

man, I spit coke on my monitor.. that's too funny..

Jonitus
09-23-2004, 09:19 AM
I'ts gonna be a while till the next update whilst I build the fan controller so I thought I'd post a teaser. My brother created this concept, upon seeing it I messed myself and I hope you will all meet with the same misfortune.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/project_blue_concept.jpg

*splooge*

...now where are my cigarettes?

mpK1337
09-26-2004, 06:16 PM
*splooge*

...now where are my cigarettes?

LOL! I couldnt have said it better myself.

em00guy
09-26-2004, 07:12 PM
I finally found some spare time this week to work on the pulse width modulation circuit to control the blowers. For those of you unfamiliar with the concept, pulse width modulation or “PWM” is the practice of modulating the width of pulses...seriously though, the principal is much more elementary than the moniker implies. My fans are rated for 48 VDC, so in order to run them at half power we mimic 24 VDC by sending a pulse of 48 VDC for half the time. These pulses are typically measured in thousandths of second and the width of the pulse and with lack of pulse is referred to as a duty cycle. So a 25% duty cycle would give me an average of 12 VDC and a 100% duty cycle will give me the full 48 VDC. Anyway the circuit I constructed was from a schematic given to me by a gentleman named Gary that runs this site: http://www3.telus.net/chemelec . He has tons of useful circuits including an Anemometer circuit that I might use to measure the CFM ratings for my blowers. This guy is an electronics guru; he’s pretty much walked me through the entire construction of my power supply and transformer. GO THERE NOW if your interested at all in hobby electronics.

The actual construction of the circuit has gone quite well. I had a few minor issues and have procured several welts on my forehead from exploding capacitors that I’m quite proud of. For my next feat I will attempt to etch my first printed circuit board for that fresh, clean I’m a wannabe electrical engineer feel. So whatever dangers I dodged by not electrocuting myself I will surely encounter again when attempting to mix ferric chloride. But such is the song of the geek. Anyway the PCB is later for now here are some pics of my PWM build.

This is the schematic I got from Gary. It’ is the standard PWM circuit on his website here: http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/Projects/PWM/PWM.htm modified for high voltage, high amperage operation.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/PWM-Higher Voltage.jpg


Running one fan @ 50% duty cycle. My first successful non-capacitor exploding test run of the complete circuit. Believe it or not those fan blades are spinning. I guess my camera isn’t the stinky piece of dog leavings I’ve often accused it of being.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1207.jpg

Here’s a shot of the bling stereo knob I got from radio shack. You can also see the breadboarded <<??? circuit to the left. I had to change the heat sink later on that mosfet.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1208.jpg


Under dual fan operation the mosfet gets quite warm so as a precaution I liberated a nice aluminum heat sink from an old AT power supply. Here it is adjacent to fanzilla.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1213.jpg


Here are both fans running @ the maximum of 99% duty cycle with a 10 VDC drop. I took an amperage reading and both beasts only draw a combined 4 amps.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1217.jpg


I have exams all week but next weekend I’ll be etching the PCB for this circuit. I also have a small surprise design modification that you’ll find interesting. But little girls never tell. Have fun. BTW no thanks to all you folks I had to upgrade my web hosting. You lurkers are costing my $240 a year. Good news is the pics should load faster.

DaCoOlNeSs
09-26-2004, 09:03 PM
that is completly BADASS. if I had the money I would pay you to do that for me :eek:

ralfyboy
09-27-2004, 10:52 AM
Here is the grill with the accessory door open It will be convenient there. I will replace the mic and headphone port with an Xbox controller port so I can use my Xbox controller on my pc.

i know i'm going WAY off topic, and really great modding idea btw, but you can buy an xbox usb controller adapter, and download XBCD drivers, and that way you can avoid all that trouble of putting an xbox port there. i got mine at www.liksang.com

just search xbox usb adapter and you should find it no problem. i got 2 of em, and it's great for emulators and sometimes FPS.

THE CASE LOOKS AWESOME! and i agree with putting those cones on the fans so it looks like jets n stuff..... (i dont know much about planes)

em00guy
09-27-2004, 10:57 AM
i know i'm going WAY off topic, and really great modding idea btw, but you can buy an xbox usb controller adapter, and download XBCD drivers, and that way you can avoid all that trouble of putting an xbox port there. i got mine at www.liksang.com

just search xbox usb adapter and you should find it no problem. i got 2 of em, and it's great for emulators and sometimes FPS.

THE CASE LOOKS AWESOME! and i agree with putting those cones on the fans so it looks like jets n stuff..... (i dont know much about planes)
Thats the plan. I just want to mount the port in the small door.

ColinR
09-27-2004, 11:59 AM
i know i'm going WAY off topic, and really great modding idea btw, but you can buy an xbox usb controller adapter, and download XBCD drivers, and that way you can avoid all that trouble of putting an xbox port there. i got mine at www.liksang.com

just search xbox usb adapter and you should find it no problem. i got 2 of em, and it's great for emulators and sometimes FPS.


FPS on joypad??? Are you insane???

Anyway, the Xbox joypad is a usb device (well two really). Even the colour of the wires are the same (there is a yellow one extra on the Xbox). Just trim that yellow one back, and hook up the leads exactly as you would for a usb port. I did, used Cuxctrl, and I have 2 Gamester Arcade Sticks on one PC in the front room (for Mame), and one on my main rig for loads of stuff (BUT NOT FPS! :D ). A grand total of 89p (plus cost of the controllers).

I can't vouch for other controllers, but the Gamester Arcade Sticks suck 400mA and do work (but more than one on a hub requires extra power). The Logic3 Arcade stick does not work (untested with a powered hub).

deruberhanyok
09-27-2004, 12:35 PM
That's amazing! I can't believe you wound your own transformer... I would never try something like that. Looking forward to more progress updates here.

Sean
09-27-2004, 01:10 PM
I am watching this thread with anticipation. Wicked work man.

Cheers,

Devilpup
09-27-2004, 03:03 PM
you wouldn't happen to be from New Zealand (http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/) would you?

seriously though, that thing is freakin crazy. only bad thing about the design that i can see is that you are going to get a lot of cross wind with the blowers firing directly at each other.

but ya like others yave said, you are [H] to wire your own transformer. don't quit though, i need you to finish this project or i'll die.

dementer
09-27-2004, 04:28 PM
DAMN! that is cool

good luck, i will be following this!

jkr266
09-27-2004, 04:28 PM
.:: IV. Power ::.

I’ve spent the last week attempting to find a solution to power those blowers. I wanted to power them to the 48v which made things difficult. I tried to find some power supplies on ebay but instead an interesting option arose. Under the recommendation of some smart people I’ve decided to build a pulse with modulator to vary the speed and power the whole mess with a modified transformer I fished out of a microwave. The microwave transformer was recommended because it is extremely heavy duty and can supply more amperage that I’d ever need. One problem though. I only need 48v, my microwave transformer supplied 2000v. So I found some instructions online on how to rewind a microwave transformer to supply lower voltages at higher amps. I’ll be removing the secondary winding and rewinding it with 13 gauge enameled magnet wire. Here are some pics.

The freshly liberated transformer on a text book for scale. This damn thing weighs at least 10 pounds.
[IMG]http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1139.jpg


Removed the insulation paper from the secondary. The thick wire is the 120v primary the fine wire is the 2000v secondary. That’s what I have to remove.
[IMG]http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1142.jpg


Started at it with a hacksaw.
[IMG]http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1144.jpg
After 1 hour of sawing I made it through.
[IMG]http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1145.jpg
This is when I realized all that sawing was for nothing. I simply pulled out my jig saw and lopped the whole mess off.
[IMG]http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1146.jpg

if those blowers use brushless motors, though they probably don't given their size, i would rethink the PWM controller. they tend to make brushless motors hum like you wouldn't believe.

rogue_jedi
09-27-2004, 04:33 PM
nice fans:D just make sure you don't put casters on the bottom of the case or it will pull itself along. could be interesting though...

good luck!
http://www.mentallyretired.com/h/index.cfm/u_rogue_jedi (http://www.hardfolding.com)

em00guy
09-27-2004, 06:54 PM
if those blowers use brushless motors, though they probably don't given their size, i would rethink the PWM controller. they tend to make brushless motors hum like you wouldn't believe.

Yeah i noticed a terrible buzz at lower duty cycles. i'm going to try to increase the frequency. I was told this might help. If this doesn't work i'll try a voltage regualation circuit. but this will generate alot of heat.

apHytHiaTe
09-27-2004, 09:12 PM
FRONT PAGE BABY!!! w00t! truly 1337

/spam

em00guy
09-27-2004, 10:44 PM
FRONT PAGE BABY!!! w00t! truly 1337

/spam

w00t w00t. I didn't notice that Good lookin' out

HiProfile
09-28-2004, 12:24 AM
Wow, didn't think those things could run on such a small circuit - the other guy with those blowers originally (@ocforums) had a PWM controller that was much bulkier.

Other than that, its looking great so far. If it turns out half as good as that picture, you'll have a great case.

em00guy
09-28-2004, 01:02 AM
Wow, didn't think those things could run on such a small circuit - the other guy with those blowers originally (@ocforums) had a PWM controller that was much bulkier.

Other than that, its looking great so far. If it turns out half as good as that picture, you'll have a great case.

yeah, greenman or vonaaker, one of those two. Whats funny is my circuit is twice as powerfull. howeve,r mine was custom designed for high power/voltage appications.

Labman
09-28-2004, 02:45 AM
Hey, very good job. I like your multimeter very much ( it's the same as mine).

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/3536/multimeter.jpg

em00guy
09-28-2004, 03:36 PM
Ok, so I’m experiencing a small technical difficulty. As I was warned by another forum patron, the PWM circuit is causing a horrible buzz with my fan motors. So, I’ll spend the next few days researching a solution. Until then, I have started on another blower related mod that I think is very unique. I’m still working on the details so I won’t reveal the precise nature of my latest feat of hackerjackery. Instead I’ll post a pic of the ingredients and challenge you to deduce what concoction is a brew. The first to get it correct wins 1 free transformer winding...w00t, I guess ???

Hmm, what is he up to???
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1224.jpg

theshadow27
09-28-2004, 04:00 PM
volts + amps on each blower (duh) (dont forget you cant hook thos up directly!!)

and the parabolic mirors... on the ends of the blowers? spinning? oh that would be too cool

and for varing the motor speed... VAC transformer... IE Varable Alternating Current... basicly has a moving winding to change the output voltage.

anakin357
09-28-2004, 04:43 PM
Awesome work! I bow down.... and then get sucked in.

BWHAHAHA

Rondu
09-28-2004, 04:57 PM
Ok, so I’m experiencing a small technical difficulty. As I was warned by another forum patron, the PWM circuit is causing a horrible buzz with my fan motors. So, I’ll spend the next few days researching a solution.

Since you wound your own transformer secondary, with a bit of rework you can take taps out at the voltages you want for your fan and use a simple multiway switch to control fan speed.

em00guy
09-28-2004, 05:05 PM
Since you wound your own transformer secondary, with a bit of rework you can take taps out at the voltages you want for your fan and use a simple multiway switch to control fan speed.

very true, but that would not be as much fun

Lee Enfield
09-28-2004, 05:11 PM
1 Word: W0W

I commend you on your performance so far. I can't wait to see the finished product. :D

Steelmind
09-28-2004, 05:57 PM
First, a great looking mod/design.

Second, as far as voltage control goes, couldn't you use something like what is used for race car sets. The ones that look like guns. I believe they just use a coiled wire to control the voltage with a slide to control how far along the coil the electricity has to travel. Voila, instant volt control. At least I think that's how they work. COrrect me if I'm wrong.

em00guy
09-28-2004, 06:25 PM
First, a great looking mod/design.

Second, as far as voltage control goes, couldn't you use something like what is used for race car sets. The ones that look like guns. I believe they just use a coiled wire to control the voltage with a slide to control how far along the coil the electricity has to travel. Voila, instant volt control. At least I think that's how they work. COrrect me if I'm wrong.

What your describing sounds like a variable transformer. That was also an option but they usually go from 0 - 120v which is too much. Although i already built my pwm i'll look into the rc thing. incase this doesn't work out.

eTiMaGo
09-29-2004, 04:49 AM
First, a great looking mod/design.

Second, as far as voltage control goes, couldn't you use something like what is used for race car sets. The ones that look like guns. I believe they just use a coiled wire to control the voltage with a slide to control how far along the coil the electricity has to travel. Voila, instant volt control. At least I think that's how they work. COrrect me if I'm wrong.

AFAIK that is a resistive system, like a good ol' potentiometer, where the unneeded energy is basically given off as heat. Not a big deal with little tiny race cars, but with those monster turbines... meltdown?
Anyway a PWM circuit is by far a much more elegant solution, and wastes a lot less power.

Rondu
09-29-2004, 11:43 AM
very true, but that would not be as much fun
Maximum fun is important, but don't dismiss this too quickly. A hand wound multi-tap transformer for speed control will be:
· a modding first AFAIK (PWM is old news)
· by far the most efficient way to control voltage and fan speed
· foolproof (definitely no humming)
· cheap (except for your labor)

em00guy
09-29-2004, 12:27 PM
Maximum fun is important, but don't dismiss this too quickly. A hand wound multi-tap transformer for speed control will be:
· a modding first AFAIK (PWM is old news)
· by far the most efficient way to control voltage and fan speed
· foolproof (definitely no humming)
· cheap (except for your labor)

you make a very convincing point. I'm having noise issues with my pwm right now. if i can't resolve them then your idea is a definite possibility.

bluesol
09-29-2004, 05:52 PM
you make a very convincing point. I'm having noise issues with my pwm right now. if i can't resolve them then your idea is a definite possibility.

This can mostly be resolved by modifying the shape of the PWM signal. Smoothing the signal from a square-wave to it being more sinusoidal will really decrease the noise. Please see this PDF (http://www.cpemma.co.uk/an58.pdf) for more info.
:D

em00guy
09-30-2004, 12:34 AM
This can mostly be resolved by modifying the shape of the PWM signal. Smoothing the signal from a square-wave to it being more sinusoidal will really decrease the noise. Please see this PDF (http://www.cpemma.co.uk/an58.pdf) for more info.
:D

wow, this looks like an very helpful read. thanks alot. However, if i end up buying an osciloscope because of you i'll redirect my girlfriends hollering to you PM. * heads to office to dust off his trig*

Rondu
09-30-2004, 09:04 AM
That is a good read blusol, I am working on a PWM circuit myself. But em00guy you should note that your fans pull 2A each and the note says"For very large fans (more than 500 mA operating current), DC speed control may be required." Anyway good luck.

em00guy
09-30-2004, 09:16 AM
That is a good read blusol, I am working on a PWM circuit myself. But em00guy you should note that your fans pull 2A each and the note says"For very large fans (more than 500 mA operating current), DC speed control may be required." Anyway good luck.

Wow that was an excellent read. and I noticed that rondu. I'm hoping i might be able to adjust the cap values to compensate for my greater load. I tested with a 220uf cap and that eliminates the motor buzzing but i could fry a falafal on the mosfet because it's trying to discharge the cap at low duty cycles. So i'm off to find some < 50uf 100v caps and i'll let you guys know. Thanks again blusol

em00guy
10-08-2004, 06:25 PM
This can mostly be resolved by modifying the shape of the PWM signal. Smoothing the signal from a square-wave to it being more sinusoidal will really decrease the noise. Please see this PDF (http://www.cpemma.co.uk/an58.pdf) for more info.
:D

Ok, i've been working on the pwm circuit all week and i finally got it COMPLETELY silent. The pdf blusol gave me was excellent so i passed it by my pwm guru Gary, who recommended some modifications for the 3 amp blowers and, Wham, it worked. I used a 1.0uf mylar capacitor and a 1k resistor. The only issue i'm now left with is my mosfet on which i could fry chicken if i so chose. So it's off to the junkyard to find an old stereo with a giant heatsink.Stay tuned for i have an interesting new mod i'll be posting.

lentic
10-09-2004, 06:38 AM
This is getting interesting ... I think I am going to have to stay tuned to this [H] mod

em00guy
10-09-2004, 05:45 PM
Ok, I had a discrete Mathematics and Algorithms and data structures test in the same week and a birthday on tuesday so I’ve been a bit occupied, hence the absence (got a Dremel 400xpr from the honey :-p ). Nevertheless, work has commenced. Let’s see, where were we. Ah, yes. Thanks to a very clever paper I read on pwm noise reduction and some very helpful assistance from Gary my pwm guy, I was able to modify my circuit to the effect of eliminating nearly all the audible noise. It’s a very good read if you’re interested. It was presented to me by blusol here at hardforums. Here it is if you so fancy a night of tinkerin’ with sinusoidal functions...and who doesn’t. Next weekend I’ll be making the circuit board for the pwm, I’ll be running stress tests on the circuit till then. In the mean time I began construction on what I’m calling the blower health panels. The panels are essentialy four heavily modified panel meters mounted in 45 degree recesses on the top left and right of the case. These meters will monitor the current draw and voltage of the two blowers thus giving an indication of their relative health. If one motor begins to fail the panel meters will begin to take peculiar readings and I’ll know it’s time to replace it.


My profound apologies for having to subject you once more to my illustrations, but I must post this to give you an idea of my concept. In the final manifestation I’ll attempt to round off those harsh edges with some body filler.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/sidepanels.jpg


The pictures I posted earlier of the mystery mod ingredients should now begin to make some sense. These are 2” blind spot mirrors I got from AutoZone. With the mirror removed they make an excellent housing for my meters.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1227.jpg


I used the circular mirror as a trace for the piece of plexi that will form the meter cover.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1228.jpg


The plexi was cut using with a metal grinding bit then ground into shape with a stone grinding bit. I had to use this peculiar mounting for my rotary tool in order to properly grind the edges. My 400xpr doesn’t get here till Thursday, it comes with a circle cutting kit.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1231.jpg


Cutout the hole for the uh...meter guts.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1234.jpg

em00guy
10-09-2004, 05:53 PM
A pic of a disassembled voltmeter.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1236.jpg


I shaped the rear housing out of the old panel meter housing
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1240.jpg


A paper print out of the test façade for the new meter.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1237.jpg


A test fitting
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1238.jpg


Here is a closer look at the nearly completed test meter next to its former self. You cannot quite see it in this pic but there is a plexi shield on the meter. In the final product I will paint the black casing and paint a mask over the area of plexi showing the uhhh...meter guts.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1243.jpg

em00guy
10-09-2004, 06:01 PM
Here are the four current full color designs for the panel facades. They will be printed on a high quality stock with a very high resolution photo printer.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/Voltmeter1.jpg
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/Voltmeter2.jpg
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/Ammeter1.jpg
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/Ammeter2.jpg


I’ll be finishing the rest of the meters when my Dremel arrives as to take advantage of the circle cutter. I thought this mod might catch on so I’ll be willing to write a more detailed tut if anyone needs. Till then.

wood
10-10-2004, 01:47 PM
rofl, meter guts. :)

Those decals for the meters look rad. I was skeptical of this mod when it started, but you definitely got a good head on you to make this mod so :cool:

btw, you're taking some pretty advanced math courses. Algorithms are used a lot in programming, right? What do you plan to do for a living/what do you do for a living?

em00guy
10-10-2004, 02:16 PM
rofl, meter guts. :)

Those decals for the meters look rad. I was skeptical of this mod when it started, but you definitely got a good head on you to make this mod so :cool:

btw, you're taking some pretty advanced math courses. Algorithms are used a lot in programming, right? What do you plan to do for a living/what do you do for a living?

Thanks for the compliments. Well, technically algorithms are used in everyday life. an algorithm is just a step by step instruction set for solving a problem. In computer science algorithms tend to inherit a mathematical manifistation but they don't have to. I'm a computer science student now and I run a small bussiness called the digital self (thedigitalself.com) through which I design web applications for clients. When I finish school i'll prbably turn the digital self into a mathemetics/computer science reaserch firm because I think I'd make a better scientist than a business man. I also think id make a better fry cook than a scientist but that story is for another day.

wood
10-10-2004, 03:07 PM
Thanks for the compliments. Well, technically algorithms are used in everyday life. an algorithm is just a step by step instruction set for solving a problem. In computer science algorithms tend to inherit a mathematical manifistation but they don't have to. I'm a computer science student now and I run a small bussiness called the digital self (thedigitalself.com) through which I design web applications for clients. When I finish school i'll prbably turn the digital self into a mathemetics/computer science reaserch firm because I think I'd make a better scientist than a business man. I also think id make a better fry cook than a scientist but that story is for another day.
Sounds pretty cool. But don't fool yourself: I know several scientists who are simultaneously fantastic fry cooks :p :D

braidman
10-10-2004, 03:45 PM
Thanks for the compliments. Well, technically algorithms are used in everyday life. an algorithm is just a step by step instruction set for solving a problem. In computer science algorithms tend to inherit a mathematical manifistation but they don't have to. I'm a computer science student now and I run a small bussiness called the digital self (thedigitalself.com) through which I design web applications for clients. When I finish school i'll prbably turn the digital self into a mathemetics/computer science reaserch firm because I think I'd make a better scientist than a business man. I also think id make a better fry cook than a scientist but that story is for another day.

Perhaps you could research the Science of Fry Cooking. I'm sure mcdonalds would be interested, or kfc. :P

em00guy
10-10-2004, 04:05 PM
Sounds pretty cool. But don't fool yourself: I know several scientists who are simultaneously fantastic fry cooks :p :D

hahaha, you just made me laugh out loud in a library.

em00guy
10-12-2004, 02:56 AM
I should mention that I calously stole the dragon stencils from this website: http://www.stencilkingdom.com/catalogue/dragon/catalogue_body_dragon.htm

Bendill
10-12-2004, 12:20 PM
You, my good sir, are truly...

[H]ard

brasherman
10-12-2004, 02:35 PM
Most enthusiastically, I also agree. Unreal! And here I am trying to figure out water cooling's nuances. I don't think I've seen an algorithm since college.....

em00guy
10-12-2004, 06:56 PM
You, my good sir, are truly...

[H]ard

Aww, thats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me...except perhaps, "i like your pants". that was awuful nice too.

SilkenRogue
10-13-2004, 09:37 AM
I'ts gonna be a while till the next update whilst I build the fan controller so I thought I'd post a teaser. My brother created this concept, upon seeing it I messed myself and I hope you will all meet with the same misfortune.

http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/project_blue_concept.jpg

Makes me think of the new Tribes: Vengeance jetpacks ;)

jmroberts70
10-13-2004, 12:18 PM
This is what this design reminds ME of:
http://www.unofficial3d.com/files/robocop1.jpg

Devilpup
10-13-2004, 04:50 PM
ed-209?

if this thing comes out looking like the concept, it'll be pretty f-in pimp

em00guy
10-13-2004, 04:54 PM
This is what this design reminds ME of:
http://www.unofficial3d.com/files/robocop1.jpg

damnit i'm trying to finish this project and your giving me ideas

WillowHawk
10-14-2004, 06:18 PM
dude, i cant even begin to tell you how awesoem ur masterpeice will turn out to be. absolutely AMAZING. good luck, but from the pics ive seen, u dont need it. the GOD like skill is there already. i'll be looking forward to its completion

SirViro
10-14-2004, 08:06 PM
I can't believe how hardcore this is turning out to be. Congrats and keep up the good work, I'm waiting to see how this turns out.

uber_
10-28-2004, 08:19 PM
Any updates on this [H]ard mod?

MONST3R
10-28-2004, 08:26 PM
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!

apHytHiaTe
10-28-2004, 09:06 PM
Didn't he tell us something about what to think if he didnt post in a long time....

Main Target
10-28-2004, 09:20 PM
uh oh......

Darth_Fluffy
10-28-2004, 10:12 PM
You sure they won't blow the mobo and stuff right out of your case??

em00guy
10-29-2004, 12:43 AM
Didn't he tell us something about what to think if he didnt post in a long time....

alive and well...sort of. Class has been whippin' my ass. I've been working on a very cool window mod for a fighter jet flip switch. I'm taking a fighter jet flip switch, adding a blue led to the top of the toggle and putting a winow on the lid. Im aware this is a peculiar mod but after all this technobable i thought you guys could use some eyecandy.

mpK1337
11-11-2004, 09:14 AM
Is this project still alive? I really wanted to see the final product :(

Cpt Twitchy
12-26-2004, 04:31 PM
Hey em00guy is this mod still in the works or did it die?

apHytHiaTe
12-26-2004, 05:52 PM
awww man i really wanted to see this one. it's been one of the best project logs i have ever participated in.
http://www.mentallyretired.com/h/index.cfm/u_apHytHiaTe (http://www.mentallyretired.com/hard/index.cfm?fa=stats.user&u=apHytHiaTe)

synergy321
12-29-2004, 12:01 AM
a moment of silence please....














WHERE THE FREAK ARE YOU!???

Bad_Boy
01-03-2005, 05:35 AM
yeah what happened, where did he go?



:( .....cmon man, dont leave us hangin!

Bendill
01-03-2005, 09:50 AM
Maybe he's got a lot to do, he mentioned that school was tough. We should cut him some slack, real life is there too :p

Epoch
02-04-2005, 08:56 AM
em00guy,

Wonderful job on this tough mod, i myself visualized and started something on the same level years ago to what you have done however with more then a few differences which i will list another time. I can however say this though - it could involve either a s4880 or a 3500+ amd xp mobo... Btw where did you find the blowers which you purchased at, and how much did they run? Hope to hear more about your mod so i can see if mine is far off or kind of the same as yours.

Epoch
02-06-2005, 03:36 AM
If anyone knows where to pic up blowers similar to the ones em00guy used pm me or e-mail me.

Qtip42
02-06-2005, 04:58 AM
so you're putting 2 blowers against each other? ......are you ducting them? That concept pic looks nice but if you don't do any interior ducting, it's kinda pointless.

TurboGLH
02-13-2005, 08:26 PM
I popped into some of the other forums the em00guy visted. He's pretty much dropped of the face of the earth since november, no forum visits, he's stopped folding and his email is no longer active...... a mystery.

CrimandEvil
02-13-2005, 08:42 PM
I popped into some of the other forums the em00guy visted. He's pretty much dropped of the face of the earth since november, no forum visits, he's stopped folding and his email is no longer active...... a mystery.
:eek: They got him! :eek:

DarkMonkey
02-13-2005, 09:35 PM
He must've gotten sucked into one of his blowers. Ground em00guy anybody? Maybe we can make spaghetti to go with it.

GlobalFear
02-15-2005, 09:11 PM
Maybe the cat killed him! Or he got sucked into that blower! Or electrocuted himself! Someone File a missing person report!

SquallRealm
03-03-2005, 02:52 PM
awww i wanted to see how this project turned out.......

shocksyde
03-03-2005, 04:15 PM
he's doing it on purpose.

and for that reason, he is brilliant.

besides all that, I NEED MORE PICS! NOW!

Mr.B
03-03-2005, 05:22 PM
Whats all this noise about?? the case never even got past the concept stage:rolleyes:

synergy321
03-03-2005, 07:27 PM
LOCK or PICS!

zapperfish
03-04-2005, 03:50 AM
non of the pics are working for me, how about you guys?

SquallRealm
03-04-2005, 10:30 AM
they work, and he had a lot of potentitial... no way he droped the project...

chronic9
03-04-2005, 04:24 PM
so i guess the project is dead or on hold due to some unforseen circumstances??

TurboGLH
03-05-2005, 10:54 AM
Whats all this noise about?? the case never even got past the concept stage:rolleyes:

This case was took excess to a all new level, and that my friend is good.

brasherman
03-08-2005, 03:42 PM
I keep coming back, and I thought it just might be school, but this is a little long between posts. Weird.... Maybe he DID electrocute himself, GlobalFear...... :eek:

Mr.B
03-08-2005, 07:04 PM
This case was took excess to a all new level, and that my friend is good.


I could sketch u up a case on autocad that looked like my Ass firing missles out of it, that doesnt mean it would be half as cool as the idea.

Sketches talk, modding walks. :rolleyes:

mashie
03-08-2005, 07:09 PM
Due to lack of updates this thread has become a spam trap and will be closed until the thread starter return.

SquallRealm
03-24-2005, 03:34 PM
Ladies and gentlemen he is BACK!! well not here but he has posted back on overclockers.com forums on the 21st... he said school was kicking his ass but he is gonna start updates once he finishes up his basement.. :D

em00guy
03-24-2005, 06:02 PM
I most certainly am...give me a few days to get resituated..some very interesting things instore for you folks...consider them presents to reward your patience

p0stal
03-24-2005, 07:19 PM
woo hoo!!!

I have been waiting for this thing to start back up for awhile now. Finally you're back! Can't wait for pics!

DryFire
03-24-2005, 07:23 PM
ooo i wonder what you have for us now?

Cpt Twitchy
03-24-2005, 10:23 PM
I'm glad to see you back. I was very interested in this mod and when you fell silent for so long I began to think something happened to you. Its great to know that you are okay.

em00guy
03-24-2005, 10:39 PM
I’m, flattered you were all concerned about my well being. A heartfelt w00t to you all. Hokay, so I've emerged from my laboratory after 2 days of my reconstituting my abandoned chi. I am now unequivocally of the opinion that my design lacks enough innovative engineering. I know the fans are impressive but the more I think about it the more they seem like an overstatement overshadowing an otherwise ordinary case mod. As such, I’ve made a decision to fungineer project blu up a notch or so. I’ve devised a few small projects thus far that I’d love some feedback from. Most of these new modifications will invoke the heavy use of microcontrollers. For those of you that do not know a microcontroller is, it’s a small self contained computer etched onto a small integrated circuit chip. This will allow me to program the microcontrollers to produce interesting interactive experiences. Anyway, here are some of my thoughts.

i. Tactile response power switch:
I’m of the opinion that power switches are boring. Even well designed ones are ultimately mechanical momentary switches, which is boring. I’ve formulated an evil plot to implement a switch with no mechanized components. This switch would be activated by tactile interaction by a human finger on a metal contact; Much like those strange lamps that adjust their brightness when you touch the metal frame. But that isn’t nearly enough. Due to the ease of activation of a touch switch, I thought it necessary to have the switch only throw after multiple contact points have been activated. I then developed the idea of having the switch be a 5 contact matrix that is activated when you touch all 5 contacts in a certain order. Different ordered contacts could perform different operations such as reset or cold shutdown. If I have my permutations correct, using 5 contact sequences you could perform 5! (that’s 5 factorial) or 120 operations with a single switch. One could also password protect their PC by requiring the user to input a contact sequence as a key.


ii. Electroluminescent back lighting.
Poor lightning cheapens an otherwise successful mod. What’s more is that well executed lightning can render an incredible effect. Localized lighting like led’s and even cold cathode tubes suffer from uneven distributions of light. This can lead to inhomogeneous illumination. I’ve found that electroluminescent lighting solves a great deal of these issues. I’ve decided to light the meters and the front panel specifically using EL panels. The entire front panel will now be backed by a large EL sheet affecting an ambient blue glow. I’ll do the same to the meter faces which will render something of an “indiglow effect”.

iii. Binary chronograph
As vehemently as I oppose gratuitous aesthetics, I must allow myself one exception. This particular deviation will take the form of a binary chronograph. For those of you that do not know what the hell I be yappin’ ‘bout. It is very similar to a binary clock which you can find here: http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/lights/59e0/ . In addition to time, my chronograph would deliver a cryptic binary representation of the date as well. The chronograph will likely be implemented in a partial wrap around of my case. I promise it will look amazing. I imagine however that it may take me sometime to program the chronograph microcontroller.

I hope these new mods titillate you all intimately and inappropriately. They do me. Bear with me as I implement these features because I’m going to have to write the code for the touch switch and chronograph in assembly. I’m also experiencing some difficulty stabilizing my PWM so that will take priority. I’ll begin work on the switch first while I wait for my EL panels to arrive.

MasiveMunkey
03-25-2005, 08:02 AM
:D I can't wait for some updates!

1337m0dd3r
03-25-2005, 09:05 AM
loooks great :)

mashie
03-25-2005, 10:28 AM
If you want to show off your pets, please do so in General Mayhem (http://www.hardforum.com/announcement.php?f=89&announcementid=50), not here.

chronic9
03-25-2005, 11:20 AM
so i guess emooguy started showing the cat off? i wanted to see the cat :p bring back the cat!!! hahaha

awesome mod, i cant wait for the pics of this thing.

em00guy
03-25-2005, 11:33 AM
His name is Curry, Curry the threadjackin' kitty. Anyway, my apologies for letting this get out of hand, I'll have some updates tonight. I've ran into some interesting issues with the pulse width modulator.

Mudd
03-25-2005, 11:56 AM
Awesome work man, i'm getting into the early stages of electricity. I completed my A+ certification from a 4 year cisco class yesterday, and i was very excited to stumble across this thread.

Very nice work man, especially on the transformer. GL with everything, i will keep checkin back to see how it progresses!

TSS Modder
03-25-2005, 12:05 PM
wow... very cool stuff... this is one of the best mods i have ever seen. :D :cool:

and let us know how that 'touch pad' idea works out. id love to have a touchpad to control my PC.

em00guy
03-27-2005, 01:42 PM
BTW. ive decided to hava a blue halo illuminate around each touch pad as you touch it. The light will be charged by a small capacitor, so once you remove your finger the illumination will slowly fade away. How crazy will that look when its done! Im working on the touchpad circuit design. I'll post a schematic when its done.

chronic9
03-27-2005, 01:50 PM
can we have some pics today? i wanna see how much you progressed in your MOD since the last "pic taking"

TSS Modder
03-27-2005, 01:55 PM
BTW. ive decided to hava a blue halo illuminate around each touch pad as you touch it. The light will be charged by a small capacitor, so once you remove your finger the illumination will slowly fade away. How crazy will that look when its done! Im working on the touchpad circuit design. I'll post a schematic when its done.
id love to know how to build that/how much it would cost. if it wouldnt cost too much, id definately buy/build one of those.

em00guy
03-27-2005, 02:14 PM
can we have some pics today? i wanna see how much you progressed in your MOD since the last "pic taking"

Not much Tangible has happened since the last major picage, I've been brainstorming new ideas. However, I've beeen messing with the PWM circuit a bit. I'll post some pics of that afer im done studying for this cognitive psycology test. Tonight or tomorrow, sorry for the wait.

id love to know how to build that/how much it would cost. if it wouldnt cost too much, id definately buy/build one of those.

I thought about building them for modders. I'll post the touch switch schemetics for you when I finish designing them. However, the whole touch pad requires programming a microcontroller. Which will be above most peoples head and/or resources. So that may be something i could make for folks time permitting. Nevertheless, i'll post any microcontroller wiring diagrams and programming code that I use. Unfortunately I cant afford a c compiler for my microcontrollers so all code will be written in assembly. If you don't know what assembly is it's the lowest programming level right before writing actual binary instructions in 1's and 0's, so it pretty arcane stuff, but thats why we're geeks.

p0stal
03-27-2005, 04:30 PM
Holy GENIUS Batman! Just how smart are you?!?!

I think this guy deserves his own special rank.

synergy321
03-27-2005, 04:42 PM
still no pics... :mad:

SquallRealm
03-27-2005, 05:31 PM
nice... i would love that fading schematics so i can do something with my hdd light..

TSS Modder
03-27-2005, 09:05 PM
Holy GENIUS Batman! Just how smart are you?!?!

I think this guy deserves his own special rank.
seconded... something a little better than [H]Lite.

o wait.. he could get something better... if he posted updates :p ;) just messing, bud. keep up the awesome work!!

em00guy
03-29-2005, 01:41 PM
Though I greatly enjoy toying with everyone’s emotions I’ll humble myself and post something more than a filler update. First however, I’d like to show off my new and criminally underused toy.

Le Dremel XPR 400!
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1246.jpg


With flex shaft accessory thank you very much. This thing is like a street pimps jewel studded chalet. Not a single geek should be without one.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1247.jpg

Alright, enough of why I’m better than you and your mother combined here’s what’s been a brew. Before the inception of the touch switch I’d planned to use a toggle fighter safety switch as a power switch. And since it is against my religion to add components to my project unmodded I took a hacksaw and the dremel to it and devised and interesting alteration. The fighter switch was of the type you often see with a red safety cap and a red led. I decided to first change out the led to blue, of course, though I now realize I could have purchased it with a blue led. Never satisfied I cut a hole in the top of the switch in an attempt to be the first to give a switch a window mod. I’ve decided rather than let this mod go to waste it will become my new power supply switch. This mod is not complete but it is progressing quite smoothly here is it’s story…in pictures of course…cause geeks can’t read…apparently. jk.

Here is the original switch with a small dent from a less than clever attempt to remove the shaft.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1249.jpg

The switch with the shaft and safety cap removed. Note the red led.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1250.jpg

The dismantled switch.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1251.jpg

em00guy
03-29-2005, 01:42 PM
I don’t know what the hell is going on here
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1254.jpg

Oh ok, I’m threading the wire for the new led.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1256.jpg

The threaded wires. I had to score channels in the black plastic gasket for the wires
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1260.jpg

Partially reassembled switch
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1262.jpg

Saftey cap.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1264.jpg

em00guy
03-29-2005, 01:45 PM
After I cut the hole in the cap with a small hack saw and the dremel.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1266.jpg

Side shot.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1267.jpg

Saftey cap with unshapped window cut from the left over front window material.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1278.jpg

I bent the cover of and old dvd player to shape the window. I’ll set it on the top and heat up the bottom with a torch.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1279.jpg

Propane torch
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1275.jpg

em00guy
03-29-2005, 01:46 PM
Shinny switch shaft.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1268.jpg

Dremel again :-p
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1269.jpg

I wanted the shaft to be a matte aluminum so I scored the shaft with the dremel.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1270.jpg

Primed shaft ready for repainting.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1271.jpg

em00guy
03-29-2005, 01:47 PM
This is the progress thus far on the switch mod. I’m having a busy ass week so I’d imagine I’ll finishing it next week some time. But I’ll post updates often. I also encountered an overheating problem with my mosfet on my PWM circuit. Under the advise of my electronics guru Gary I stripped the heat sink from a Pentium II I had laying around.

Heatsink stripped from mobo.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1273.jpg

Drilled a hole in the heatsink and attached my mosfet.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1277.jpg

Ok that’s it for tonight kids have an algorithms test coming up so I hafta hit the books. I’ll have more updates soon.

SquallRealm
03-29-2005, 01:58 PM
gj keep up the good work

brasherman
03-29-2005, 02:06 PM
Yay, he's back! Now I wish there was one of those helmeted clapping emoticons! Lookin good on that stuff, but I fear for the mosfet who has to have a heatsink that big.....! ;)

flat4
03-29-2005, 05:31 PM
nice shoes.

em00guy
03-29-2005, 05:47 PM
nice shoes.

yeah, you like those i got them for $25 at jcpenny

DarkMonkey
03-29-2005, 06:28 PM
I think you're the only person here who doesn't mod barefoot. Maybe the other people should start wearing shoes, 'cause the man with shoes has the coolest mod.

chronic9
03-29-2005, 06:49 PM
if your thinking of selling the touch switches later on, you got my order 100% id definatley buy one. I dont know for what yet, but it'll come to me.

the window'ed fighter switch is something new that no1 has done before, you should put a window on everything that you stick in this PC, lol.

CrimandEvil
03-29-2005, 06:52 PM
Great to see you back and modding! :)

em00guy
03-29-2005, 08:34 PM
if your thinking of selling the touch switches later on, you got my order 100% id definatley buy one. I dont know for what yet, but it'll come to me.

the window'ed fighter switch is something new that no1 has done before, you should put a window on everything that you stick in this PC, lol.

If i can build them effeciently I will definatly sell them.

Elledan
03-30-2005, 03:51 AM
This may be the first time that one has to worry about the airflow through the case dislodging/ripping off components ^_-

Why didn't you just mount the PC's guts to the inside of a wind tunnel?

em00guy
03-30-2005, 11:12 AM
This may be the first time that one has to worry about the airflow through the case dislodging/ripping off components ^_-

Why didn't you just mount the PC's guts to the inside of a wind tunnel?

No air will enter the actual case cavity. It will all be ducted through the radiators and out of the back of the tower

Elledan
03-30-2005, 11:18 AM
No air will enter the actual case cavity. It will all be ducted through the radiators and out of the back of the tower
1200 CFM through dual radiators? Talk about overkill ;)

uzor
03-30-2005, 11:48 AM
1200 CFM through dual radiators? Talk about overkill ;)

If not for overkill, why the hell are we all here? ;)

http://www.mentallyretired.com/h3/index.cfm/u_125984 (http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?u=125984)

chronic9
03-30-2005, 12:10 PM
because alot of us got free time at work or wherever we maybe and choose to look at peoples crazy mods.

redhalo
03-30-2005, 12:17 PM
because alot of us got free time at work or wherever we maybe and choose to look at peoples crazy mods.I think you missed the point...thats exactly what uzor is saying. Crazy mods...not dull mods. ;)

em00guy
03-30-2005, 04:04 PM
1200 CFM through dual radiators? Talk about overkill ;)

Belive it or not there is some method this particular bit of madness. These blowers are increadibly well engineered producing almost no mechanical noise. It is a persintant theory in fluid dynamics that the pressure created by forcing air through the heater cores causes traditional fans to loose a great deal of performance due to poor tourqe. Because of the non existant mechanical noise i can run these high tourqe blowers at a very low rpm and still best the performace of several 120mm case fans.

Elledan
03-30-2005, 05:08 PM
Belive it or not there is some method this particular bit of madness. These blowers are increadibly well engineered producing almost no mechanical noise. It is a persintant theory in fluid dynamics that the pressure created by forcing air through the heater cores causes traditional fans to loose a great deal of performance due to poor tourqe. Because of the non existant mechanical noise i can run these high tourqe blowers at a very low rpm and still best the performace of several 120mm case fans.
But then it's no longer overkill :(

On a more serious note, it'll be interesting to see a comparison between your proposed setup and one with axial fans in terms of cooling performance :)

redhalo
03-31-2005, 10:27 AM
Belive it or not there is some method this particular bit of madness. These blowers are increadibly well engineered producing almost no mechanical noise. It is a persintant theory in fluid dynamics that the pressure created by forcing air through the heater cores causes traditional fans to loose a great deal of performance due to poor tourqe. Because of the non existant mechanical noise i can run these high tourqe blowers at a very low rpm and still best the performace of several 120mm case fans.Damn, youv'e really thought this all out. Good job.

TurboGLH
04-22-2005, 09:42 PM
Oh sweet jesus thank you. I leave for a month and em00guy pops back out of the woodwork. Glad that your alright and still working.

0mega
04-23-2005, 02:33 AM
wow [H] is not a way to describe this... i dont think theres a word for it really... the best that comes to mind is wow... :D

zapperfish
04-23-2005, 03:58 AM
its more like [H]ardly updated

IYIENACE
04-23-2005, 01:12 PM
I also think id make a better fry cook than a scientist but that story is for another day.

You could probably make it as a comedian if that falls through.

BTW 2 more blowers mounted at the back would be way better. Or - 4 mounted at the bottom corners and used to hover your case would be hella tizyte. Add another perpendicular to those and it could spin your case... the possibilities are endless.

incomudro
04-25-2005, 01:20 AM
dude nice i cant belive that

em00guy
05-01-2005, 09:19 PM
So, here is the source of my madness for the past few weeks. The touch switch circuit design is finally complete. As you can see the entire mechanism is consistent of two separate circuits. I’ll give a brief explanation of the forces at play here. The switch works by the principle of capacitance. The touchpad (which can be a any small metal object) has a certain capacity for electrical energy. When a finger is brought to rest upon the touch pad the capacitance of the touchpad is in creased by the capacitance of the part of the finger in contact with the touch pad. This interrupts a 50khz pulse being output by the clock circuit. This interruption triggers a set of nor gates that allows the pulses to be output. My design is a modified version of a circuit that operated an old electronic drum set. Only one clock is needed to feed pulses to a theoretical limitless number of switches, and each switch circuit will have two switches due to the nature of the integrated circuit used.

Here is the original circuit design:
http://www.paia.com/touchsw.htm
Clock circuit
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/touch_clock.gif


Switch circuit
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/touch_switch.gif

This will be my only update till my finals are over this week. Then I’ll Make the pcb and start testing the circuit.

TSS Modder
05-01-2005, 09:26 PM
the king returns!!!!!! :D :D :D

awesome job! gl w/ finals!

em00guy
05-02-2005, 10:57 AM
Ok, I lied one more update. I’ve made a pair of circuit board layouts. In case your wondering. The digital self is my small freelance development firm, I’m hoping to start doing advance Computer science and mathematics research through it when I graduate.

Clock layout
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/touch_clock_brd.gif

Switch layout
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/touch_switch_brd.gif

GodSpeed
05-02-2005, 12:34 PM
Where can I get a cheap PWM controller? I have some Apple fans that don't appreciate voltage based speed regulation.

em00guy
05-02-2005, 01:57 PM
Where can I get a cheap PWM controller? I have some Apple fans that don't appreciate voltage based speed regulation.

Are you looking for a circuit to build or an assembled pwm to buy?

TSS Modder
05-02-2005, 04:54 PM
dude... youre a freakin genius.... many many kudos to you! :D :cool:

GodSpeed
05-02-2005, 08:25 PM
Are you looking for a circuit to build or an assembled pwm to buy?
Either way works actually, but I rather have a nice clean thing to work with.

em00guy
05-02-2005, 09:50 PM
Either way works actually, but I rather have a nice clean thing to work with.

If you want a nice neat package you could use this:
http://www.xoxide.com/kisilcdfanco.html
or search ebay

Otherwise the geek in you could very cheaply build this:
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/pwm555.html

I could design and maybe even make a nice neat pcb for you.

Heretushi
05-03-2005, 05:07 PM
All these circuits... I don't know what the HELL is going on here! :P

I hope it works because those 5 sensitive switchs will rull all!

v3rt1g0
05-03-2005, 06:49 PM
It's so refreshing to see some circuit designs on the [H].
Keeping my eye on this one.. :)

em00guy
05-17-2005, 06:44 PM
I've been studying up on my electromagnetic field theory and have thusly modified my circuits with ground pours to suppress EMI. I've also condensed the boards a bit for a more compact design. Sorry this is taking so long. I've been waiting on my parts to arrive. They should be here in a day or two...then the fun starts...oh hell yes it does.

switch circuit:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/touch_switch_brd2.gif

clock circuit:
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/touch_clock_brd2.gif

TSS Modder
05-17-2005, 07:10 PM
you never cease to amaze me... :cool:

MasiveMunkey
05-21-2005, 03:18 PM
WOW man that looks like some serious stuff. :eek:

crazyman_130
05-21-2005, 05:17 PM
Lets just say dual foot long heater cores (radiators) cooled by two 600 cfm blowers each the size of a small Australian orphan and a 600 gpm pump with 22’ (thats alot) of head.


umm, where did you get the blowers? website? if so link me please. Also where did you get the pump and heater cores?

em00guy
05-22-2005, 11:45 AM
umm, where did you get the blowers? website? if so link me please. Also where did you get the pump and heater cores?

I bought the fans from a small company that was selling them on ebay. I forgot the name though. I'll check into it. The fans are made by EBM. A german fan company.

here is the pump
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=CP7111

the radiators are from a '77 pontiac bonneville. You can find them at autozone for about $20USD

crazyman_130
05-22-2005, 10:04 PM
I bought the fans from a small company that was selling them on ebay. I forgot the name though. I'll check into it. The fans are made by EBM. A german fan company.

here is the pump
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=CP7111

the radiators are from a '77 pontiac bonneville. You can find them at autozone for about $20USD


ok awesome, get back to me on the fans...nice pump there btw, little pricey...but for the crazy like me and you its deffintly not to much :)

em00guy
05-23-2005, 02:54 PM
ok awesome, get back to me on the fans...nice pump there btw, little pricey...but for the crazy like me and you its deffintly not to much :)

Ok, I got the blowers from a company called Quickar electronics that was selling them on ebay under the user name quickarelectronics. They were only $10 USD + shipping. However, they only sell them one at a time and i haven't seen any up in some time. You can also visit their website - www.quickar.com - and contact them to see if they could help you get a hold of them. Here is the data sheet on the blowers: http://www.ebmpapst.us/allpdfs/D1G133.PDF

The blowers are/were made by EBM which is now EBMpapst.

hope this helps

Zero_Distortion
05-27-2005, 12:24 PM
Oh sweet jesus thank you. I leave for a month and em00guy pops back out of the woodwork. Glad that your alright and still working.
Chris?

TurboGLH
05-27-2005, 10:21 PM
Chris?
Woah....who's this?

em00guy
05-28-2005, 04:59 AM
Ok good people, after a few weeks of madness and Jello I’ve completed prototyping the first stage of the touch switch. I’ve completed the discrete circuitry and it’s WORKING. When you touch a makeshift aluminum pad the input voltage of +5v is output, when you let go, the voltage dies. YESssss!!! All that’s left to do now is programming the microcontroller and creating pcb’s for the circuits. I’ll be ordering the parts for the controller and programmer after I move on Tuesday.

Wiring the timer. Sorry about the blurry pic, I was freebasing some cocaine to get me through the day.
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1650.jpg

All done with the timer
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1652.jpg

Finished wiring the switch circuit
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1653.jpg

no pokie, no voltage
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1676.jpg

pokie pokie, voltage voltage. Wohooo
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/DCP_1677.jpg

em00guy
05-28-2005, 05:03 AM
These are the new schematics that are slightly modified based on the wonderful circuitry I found on this website: http://jacksonharbor.home.att.net/touchsw2.htm I basically replaced the 680k resistors with 820k resistors and the 4700 ohm resistor with a 10k one. This basically increases the circuits ability to discharge the touchpad allowing me to use a much larger or more dense metal object

Clock
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/touch_clock2.gif

Switch
http://www.thedigitalself.com/images/blu/touch_switch2.gif

rogue_jedi
05-28-2005, 08:43 AM
holy crap that's awesome. i may have to (try to) use that schematic... a touch-based power button would rock.
http://www.hardfolding.com/ftag1.php/mem/153.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=38&id=153) http://www.hardfolding.com/utag.php/mem/1276.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=36&id=1276)

TSS Modder
05-28-2005, 11:51 AM
absolutely beautiful! :) i may consider doing something like this for my next desktop. very awesome. :cool:

http://www.hardfolding.com/ftag1.php/mem/8210.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=38&id=8210)

MasiveMunkey
05-28-2005, 03:43 PM
Very impressive. :eek:

em00guy
06-07-2005, 04:56 PM
Check this out... how cool would that be.


PC Modder custom case submissions
Hi em00,

I'm an editor for Sandhills Publishing, publishers of Computer Power User and PC Modder magazines. We're working on the next issue of PC Modder, and in one of our articles we're showcasing custom modded PCs. I've been looking through several modder forums for good possible submissions, and I came across your Blu mod. I was wondering if you'd be interested in submitting it for consideration for the article.

The creator of each case we include in the article will get a free 1 year sub to CPU magazine, and current subscribers will get a free 1 year extension to the subscription.

I'm looking for a 400 word description (or less) of the mod, plus the PC's specifications, plus a few photos. For specifications, we'd like the model of the mobo, CPU, RAM (and how much), video card (or "integrated"), hard drive(s), optical drive(s), and "other" (any water cooling, custom lights, additional fans, etc.). This isn't a requirement though. Just give us whatever info about the PC's specs that you can.

Let me know if this is something that would interest you, and if so, feel free to send the write-up and pictures to me. I'd like to have all the materials by the last week of June if possible. Let me know if that would work for you.

Thanks!

Regards,
Michael
Editor, PC

TSS Modder
06-07-2005, 04:59 PM
congrats!! i vote you get right on that. :D :cool:

http://www.hardfolding.com/ftag1.php/mem/8210.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=38&id=8210)

CrimandEvil
06-07-2005, 05:01 PM
congrats!! i vote you get right on that. :D :cool:

http://www.hardfolding.com/ftag1.php/mem/8210.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=38&id=8210)
Me too. :)

0mega
06-07-2005, 09:16 PM
wewt! that will be so cool :)

i cant wait to see it finsihed!

MadHatter
06-11-2005, 02:30 PM
Wow :eek: how did u learn about all of this stuff?!

DarkMonkey
06-12-2005, 03:03 PM
My guess would be the college he attends...

em00guy
06-12-2005, 04:27 PM
Wow :eek: how did u learn about all of this stuff?!
Actually, I haven't learned anything in school. Seriously! Everything i know i learned from breaking things and fixing them (and a few books). When your microwave smells funny, dismantel it. When you cant figure out how to put it together again, build a microwave ray gun. The human mind is capable of an unfathomable amount of cunning. If you challenge it you can figure anything out. I remember one time when i was in junior high I forgot to build my science fair project until the day before. So i duct taped two quaker oats containers together, stuck a series of magnifying glasses and a flashlight inside and made a laser (sort of). My project went all the way to the state competition. Don't think it's because im smart, I actually have terrible grades and I don't work very hard. I just discovered long ago to backhand your brain when it tells you it can't do something. That, and geeks are in now so brains have a positive effect on my standing pw00ntang quotient.

DarkMonkey
06-12-2005, 10:59 PM
*delete*

Electric Boogaloo
06-13-2005, 12:57 PM
Actually, I haven't learned anything in school. Seriously! Everything i know i learned from breaking things and fixing them (and a few books). When your microwave smells funny, dismantel it. When you cant figure out how to put it together again, build a microwave ray gun. The human mind is capable of an unfathomable amount of cunning. If you challenge it you can figure anything out. I remember one time when i was in junior high I forgot to build my science fair project until the day before. So i duct taped two quaker oats containers together, stuck a series of magnifying glasses and a flashlight inside and made a laser (sort of). My project went all the way to the state competition. Don't think it's because im smart, I actually have terrible grades and I don't work very hard. I just discovered long ago to backhand your brain when it tells you it can't do something. That, and geeks are in now so brains have a positive effect on my standing pw00ntang quotient.

I aspire to be you. :D

uzor
06-13-2005, 01:00 PM
Actually, I haven't learned anything in school. Seriously! Everything i know i learned from breaking things and fixing them (and a few books). When your microwave smells funny, dismantel it. When you cant figure out how to put it together again, build a microwave ray gun. The human mind is capable of an unfathomable amount of cunning. If you challenge it you can figure anything out. I remember one time when i was in junior high I forgot to build my science fair project until the day before. So i duct taped two quaker oats containers together, stuck a series of magnifying glasses and a flashlight inside and made a laser (sort of). My project went all the way to the state competition. Don't think it's because im smart, I actually have terrible grades and I don't work very hard. I just discovered long ago to backhand your brain when it tells you it can't do something. That, and geeks are in now so brains have a positive effect on my standing pw00ntang quotient.

Out of curiosity, How close did you get it to being collimated, and how wide was the beam?


http://www.mentallyretired.com/h3/index.cfm/u_125984 (http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?u=125984)

TSS Modder
06-13-2005, 04:41 PM
Since when did that EVER have ANYTHING to do with how smart you were?

I'm a highschool dropout who managed to get 99th percentile for math and reading on the state testing all 5 years I was in highschool, but I only passed 2 years. Grades are nothing but a sign of how easily you're willing to let the system make you its bitch.


I believe I speak for everyone here when I say that you, sir, are fucking brilliant.
QFT

em00guy
06-13-2005, 09:09 PM
Out of curiosity, How close did you get it to being collimated, and how wide was the beam?


http://www.mentallyretired.com/h3/index.cfm/u_125984 (http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?u=125984)

The beam was far from cullimation, But it made one sexy lock de-icer.

cyberflame
06-19-2005, 11:47 PM
Since when did that EVER have ANYTHING to do with how smart you were?

I'm a highschool dropout who managed to get 99th percentile for math and reading on the state testing all 5 years I was in highschool, but I only passed 2 years. Grades are nothing but a sign of how easily you're willing to let the system make you its bitch.


I believe I speak for everyone here when I say that you, sir, are fucking brilliant.


should have been the systems bitch. Now the world will make you its bitch.

just what we need another smart stupid person

em00guy
06-20-2005, 04:14 PM
should have been the systems bitch. Now the world will make you its bitch.

just what we need another smart stupid person

please don't flame here, thanks.

Mysticcal
06-20-2005, 05:33 PM
should have been the systems bitch. Now the world will make you its bitch.

just what we need another smart stupid person


Noobies who flame are EVIL!

cyberflame
06-25-2005, 03:34 PM
me evil, nooo never..


but anyway.. i want to see this project finished cause it rocks much more than anything ive ever tried

DarkMonkey
06-26-2005, 02:13 PM
*delete*