Would you leave bad heat knowing you would get it back?

[LiquidX]

Even though you didnt deserve it? I just starting out with heat even though I have been selling before I signed on. Should I risk it?

I bought a item from a member here with good heat, atleast more than the 17 I have. Anyway I asked the condition and he siad it was in perfect condition. I still however asked for pictures which he said he would give on request. He ignored this request for a few pm's then I asked for them again and got a brush off and was told it was "perfect" and why would I want pictures of a perfect system. I decided still go with teh deal because it was a good price. A couple days pass and I didnt get the items or hear from him although he said he would ship right away. I pm and asked if he shipped a few days later and he said it he did day before...later that day he pm's me and says they returned the item because it was not able to be deliverd. I new that was BS because even a state over the USPS is not going to bring that package in one day and take it back to him that same day. And I know the postman...so he knows my name.

Anyway I finally got the item and its for from perfect. I really didnt expect perfect even though I was told that but it is scracted up has paint stripping a has a VERY small melted part on top. Yes it works but the condition looks as if a 8 year old kid owned it. I PM this member today and asked why he would sell me the system with all the conditions I mentioned before hand that I didnt want if I bought it from it. He says to me the system was in perfect brand new condition...a total lie and even aksed for pics from me to prove when he wouldnt give me any in the first place. He just PM'ed me again to let me know as for as he is concerned this deal is done.

Would any of leave this guy bad heat knowing fully well he would retaliate with bad heat also, coupled with the fact he also lied? I just new this would not turn out good after the guy wouldnt leave me heat even though I asked numerous and paid very quckly by instant cash.

[MechWarrior]

Im sorry but just because of things like this that has happened to me in the past I dont leave good heat until the other party is finished and/or satisfied. Ive had bullshit pulled on me before.

Like I said, show me a picture of the damage, it was fine when I shipped it. Also I didnt get it returned the same day, it took a day to get back. Your only a state away and shipping it first thing in the morning usually means its fairly quick.

I PMed you back stating that yes, it wasnt brand new, I had owned it and used it, so it cant be "brand new" but it had no paint damage or a melted spot :rolleyes:

Your just like the guy I sold a Palm Pilot to, and then he said he didnt get the sync cable. Finally I tell him to buy a new one and ill pay for half of it (Because I knew I sent it) He gets all pissed off and wont show it and files a paypal complaint. Needless to say paypal took my side. Its because of that deal that I made my heatware stance, not to mention the role DarkEve had to play in it. No heatware until the trade is completely finished.

[EnJoY]

Mechwarrior is right. If the item was as desribed, he isn't responsible for any damage that was incurred after shipping. Beside, Mech is a great trader, I know for a fact he'd never try and screw anybody.

[LiquidX]

Item was not in the condition he said. Here is a few of the PM's. I am not saying he ripped me off because I did get it, jut not in the condition I was led to believe and could have been more understanding if he told me before hand. Look at the condition he says..it was not anywere perfect. I should get what he said and I paid for. :(


Originally Posted by LiquidX
I got the system today dude. You know its not in the condition you said? I specificaly asked if there were any cracks, paint stripping, scratches or just plain diry and you said no.And I said again after you didnt ship that I will only take it if it is not in any of those conditions. You fucking lied, it no where perfect. The system even has a melted part on top. Not good business bro, no wonder you wouldn't give me pics.

Originally Posted by MechWarrior
Post a picture. It was PERFECTLY fine and BRAND NEW when I shipped it.






Originally Posted by LiquidX
Also can I get those pics. :)

Originally Posted by MechWarrior

What do you want pictures of? A flawless gamecube? THeres nothing to show except a silver gamecube and controller.

The GC is $50
Yoshi $10

Shipping would be $7 total.
$67.

I can take paypal to phillipb@san-andreas.com
Originally Posted by LiquidX
Just to show you have it. :(




Then came the shipping problem but we then come to an aggrement for him to ship again..notice my conditions. The system has very noticable scratches, and the paint is stripping on the corners. And I take back the melted part, its more like a deep little scratch.

Originally Posted by LiquidX
Thats the thing its not a apartment complex but a small house like building which the mailman has the key for with a couple floors and I didnt even get a notice on my end. And I am telling you I get packages regularly from the mail man dude. In anycase if the condition is like you say "ITs 100% perfect condition..." I will still take it. But if it is a scratched up, dirty, paint stripping, resets by itself system please do a refund. If none of those ship it and the deal is still on.

Mech says to me after this ...I assure you there is nothing wrong at all with the unit

[MechWarrior]

Like I said. Gimme a photo. It was beautifiul condition when I shipped it.

Also I did correct myself as I said above. It couldnt be BRAND NEW if I had it already pre-owned. :rolleyes:

Yes, I made a mistake when shipping it the first time and refunded your shipping fee because of it while I still took a hit on the shipping AGAIN. :(

So what do you want from me. An official appology AGAIN that im sorry either YOU damanged it unwrapping it or that you are a bad liar? Either way im tired of people like you trying to ruin a good traders reputation.

By the way I would appreciate it if you atleast break up my email so spambots dont get it.

[I Pity Da Fool]

I would have to see pics of this system...maybe he's just really picky about scratches. Some people might see a perfect system and others would see flaws.

[LiquidX]

Also I did correct myself as I said above. It couldnt be BRAND NEW if I had it already pre-owned. :rolleyes:

You told me this today when it was in my hands.

So what do you want from me. An official appology AGAIN that im sorry either YOU damanged it unwrapping it or that you are a bad liar? Either way im tired of people like you trying to ruin a good traders reputation.

Damaged it unwrapping? It was wrapped in bubble wrap...and I even unpackaged it on my bed. I PMed like 10 minutes after looking it over and making sure it worked. The thing was scratched, dirty and the paint stripping and now you want to say I am want lying and did all that damage in the span of 10 minutes? My damn stomach in weezy because of that BS. All my deals of been high-end deals, cards systems ect. And I always held up my part and communicated all the way up to when they got the item. Hell I just sold a 6800GT for $400. Your a liar dude, and most likely with a straight face. You having more heat than me does not mean your most honest. I cant believe you dude, my head told me this wouldnt turn out good. :mad:

[LiquidX]

I would have to see pics of this system...maybe he's just really picky about scratches. Some people might see a perfect system and others would see flaws.


I understand this and I try and get some up. And I could have dealt with the scratches but the fact the paint is stripping on the two corners....he should have made me aware of that, you just cant miss it. :(

[MechWarrior]

Paint was NOT stripping and there was no burn mark.

I also made the mistake of saying it was BRAND NEW today when it was in your hands. Go figure. :rolleyes:

[EnJoY]

I really hate people like LiquidX. Always trying to get screw over others to get an extra buck or something free. They complain and make a big deal out of nothing and try and make good traders like Mech look bad. It really disgusts me. Really dude, he sold it to you for a steal and you want more? Get a life or atleast some maturity.

Here's my best wishes to mech that this whole thing pans out alright for him. He doesn't deserve this bs.

[jf1288]

By the way I would appreciate it if you atleast break up my email so spambots dont get it.


enjoy the spam

[LiquidX]

I really hate people like LiquidX. Always trying to get screw over others to get an extra buck or something free. They complain and make a big deal out of nothing and try and make good traders like Mech look bad. It really disgusts me. Really dude, he sold it to you for a steal and you want more? Get a life or atleast some maturity.

Here's my best wishes to mech that this whole thing pans out alright for him. He doesn't deserve this bs.

You dont know me to hate me and I take it you know him personaly because you seem to be taking this hard. As a buyer I dont have the right to voice my complaiint? What extra money am I asking for? And because I got something for a good price he deserves the right to lie and mislead me? I am guessing you work at radioshack. Is that how you think business is to be done.... I have a good rep also and most of my items sold were in the hundreds range...not case fans or other cheap crap. I made this thread to ask others opinion on weather I should leave bad heat to a someone under the situation I stated not to to have a argument with you or Mech and I purposely left his name out of the post to get a little feedback from others. Feedback is what I want on the situation not you attacking me. And further this is the first altercation I have ever had with anyone on any forum so I dont "Always trying to get screw over others to get an extra buck or something free" and 9 out of 10 times I am the seller.

[EnJoY]

No I do not work at RadioShack and yes I do know you, I know your type and I don't like it. I suppose I should not have gotten as involved as I did, but Mechwarrior is an online friend of mine and I have been in his same situation before and it makes me furious. I hope this gets resolved as it should.

[I Pity Da Fool]

I've seen a lot of posts popping up on this exact subject matter.. and it turns into an argument every time. But it's good that you're at least TRYING to get input from others as to what should be done. And really... nobody can give you any good advice unless both sides of the story are heard, so the fact that the other party came forward was necessary.

Now with all that being said... if you're not satisfied, then send it back and get a refund. If you're gonna keep it, then leave feedback. It doesn't have to be positive or negative, that's what neutral is there for.. and you can voice your complaint without really doing too much damage. You should both leave neutral. Unless you both have pics of this system, and how it looked while it was in your hands. Hmmm? :rolleyes:

[LiquidX]

I know your type and I don't like it
You dont know my type so keep your crap to yourself. I do business well and I expect the same nothing more to be said. And I dont know why you are so riled up as if you and Mech share the same computer. :rolleyes: Really no need for your typecast.


I've seen a lot of posts popping up on this exact subject matter.. and it turns into an argument every time. But it's good that you're at least TRYING to get input from others as to what should be done. And really... nobody can give you any good advice unless both sides of the story are heard, so the fact that the other party came forward was necessary.

Now with all that being said... if you're not satisfied, then send it back and get a refund. If you're gonna keep it, then leave feedback. It doesn't have to be positive or negative, that's what neutral is there for.. and you can voice your complaint without really doing too much damage. You should both leave neutral. Unless you both have pics of this system, and how it looked while it was in your hands. Hmmm? :rolleyes:

Very true and being that your the only one that has given me credible feedback I will take heed even though I am not too happy. I should have insisted on those pics...it would have help my case out here greatly being they I can provide very hi-res pics. But it doesnt really matter anymore. I will just re-sell if I can and mention the problems. I paid Mech up front and very promptly via insta cash but dont want any feedback from him weather it be positive, negative or neutral. I didnt even relize heatware had neutral and I will leave that for you Mech with "Itemds arrived". Thanks for the input I Pity Da Fool advice taken.

[MechWarrior]

Well it does matter to me.

Please post those "very high res pics" otherwise I WILL dispute the neutral or negative heatware feedback you have yet to leave.

[I Pity Da Fool]

Mech mech mech... i just saved u from gettin a negative and your still arguing. ;)
Ok ok... so Liquid, do you have a camera?

[MechWarrior]

Mech mech mech... i just saved u from gettin a negative and your still arguing. ;)


Yes, when my reputation is at stake, I will argue aslong as I am right.

[LiquidX]

Mech mech mech... i just saved u from gettin a negative and your still arguing. ;)
Ok ok... so Liquid, do you have a camera?


Yep! Pics will be up tommorrow if my sister remembers to bring it. Can anyone host these for me or know a good site?, mine is down and if not I will mail whoever wants to see them.

[I Pity Da Fool]

The for sale forum has a sticky as it's very first post and it's all about free image hosting... free... free... free... free...

[Vertigo Acid]

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[I Pity Da Fool]

See this is why i got a black gamecube... even though the platinum looks cool, i've read that the paintjob WILL rub off after some usage.. even on the controller. And the blemishes show up too easily. But i see your point, if i bought a platinum it'd HAVE to be in perfect bling bling condition. And this system just isn't in the kinda mint condition i'd want my platinum to be in.
It's a little hard to tell with all that shine blinding me.. and large hi-res pics tend to show a little more detail then what someone would see if they were holding it... but there is paint rubbing off on the corners and i see scrathes on the system. I don't have time to write too much now but i'll check back later.

[MechWarrior]

I fail to see a so called "burn mark" and "chipped paint".

It is much more scratched than I realized. I fully appologise for that, although I could have sworn it wasnt that scratched when I mailed it. That could be because the flash from a camera tends to show up all the little marks in the plastic because of the light reflecting.

[LiquidX]

I fail to see a so called "burn mark" and "chipped paint".

I corrected myself earlier and said the burn mark could be a deep scratch and looks as if a solder touched it and thus why I said it look meleted or burnt. It was very hard to catch with the camara. If you cant see the chipped paint or the white parts I give up and you win. The pictures show alomost everything but its more obvious in person. I really cant believe you could not see them. I really wanted the Platinum cube for a long time and being that you had it at a resonable price and told me numerous time it was"flawless", "perfect" even after I specifically asked that if the system is scracted or paint coming off please tell me because I would rather a system like this mint. If it was the black one like I Pity Da Fool siad I could over look it but its the platinum one...the one you want to look good. In anycase water under the bridge and a big thanks to Vertigo Acid for the hosting.

[MechWarrior]

Props indeed. These forums eat alot of bandwidth.

[I Pity Da Fool]

Well i do see white on the corners.. i just thought the flash was making the corners look extremly bright. The paint's not chipped, but it's rubbing off.. i would partially blame this on the cheapa$$ paint nintendo used on the platinum system. So are you thinkin about any mods.. repaint.. add some blue LED's..

[Ch1m3r4]

I really hate people like LiquidX. Always trying to get screw over others to get an extra buck or something free. They complain and make a big deal out of nothing and try and make good traders like Mech look bad. It really disgusts me. Really dude, he sold it to you for a steal and you want more? Get a life or atleast some maturity.

Here's my best wishes to mech that this whole thing pans out alright for him. He doesn't deserve this bs.

when will people here learn to back the hell out of other people's business? All you needed to add IF THAT was that you had done deals with Mech and they worked out fine. You personally have NO SOUND REASON to think that LiquidX is trying to screw over others.

and "good trader"? Please, good heatware and good trades before doesn't mean someone is a good trader now (and I'm not saying Mech isn't, because I don't know). It's the same damn thing on ebay. A friend bought someone with ridiculous ebay feedback, 100% positive at that. A week and a half went by and the guy still hadn't shipped the thing after getting paid immediately. My friend asked the status, found out it hadn't even been shipped yet, and asked for a refund. The guy immediately left feedback saying my friend sent threatening emails, and then replied to the feedback and added more about how my friend was crazy and shit. When my friend was like, uh wtf? the guy said, go ahead and leave me negative, I get enough positives to cover it up and it won't even matter.

So, the moral of this story is STFU if all you are gonna do is jump down someone's throat and you aren't even involved in the deal.

[I Pity Da Fool]

when will people here learn to back the hell out of other people's business? All you needed to add IF THAT was that you had done deals with Mech and they worked out fine. You personally have NO SOUND REASON to think that LiquidX is trying to screw over others.

and "good trader"? Please, good heatware and good trades before doesn't mean someone is a good trader now (and I'm not saying Mech isn't, because I don't know). It's the same damn thing on ebay. A friend bought someone with ridiculous ebay feedback, 100% positive at that. A week and a half went by and the guy still hadn't shipped the thing after getting paid immediately. My friend asked the status, found out it hadn't even been shipped yet, and asked for a refund. The guy immediately left feedback saying my friend sent threatening emails, and then replied to the feedback and added more about how my friend was crazy and shit. When my friend was like, uh wtf? the guy said, go ahead and leave me negative, I get enough positives to cover it up and it won't even matter.

So, the moral of this story is STFU if all you are gonna do is jump down someone's throat and you aren't even involved in the deal.

Umm... sooo, in nicer words... what ur tryin to say is... stay outta other peoples koolaid... :)

[Ch1m3r4]

Umm... sooo, in nicer words... what ur tryin to say is... stay outta other peoples koolaid... :)

:p yes, unless what you are doing is constructive I suppose. The things you've added, for instance, have been fine, whereas some people just come in and say "LiquidX you bastard trying to be a bastardy bastard so there" is not helpful.

btw, I like your translation

[topcat989]

ung. I'm very likely to be in liquidx's boat over a trade. An HTPC case, was going to be for my daughter. That fucker looks like a fricking wildcat got ahold of it it is scratched up so bad :mad: the seller is on vacation, I'll see what the deal is when he returns. Moral of this story:

Even if scratches and cosmetic damage is INSIGNIFIGANT to you as a seller, it is your resposibility to describe, accurately, ALL FLAWS, because even if minor(or major :rolleyes: ) cosmetic damage is no big deal to you, it may be for the buyer......

I'm not saying that's what happen here, just that there have been accusations on both sides of deliberate scamming--

liquidx: you lied about the condition, scammer!

MechWarrior: you fucked it up or it was damaged in shipping, but you want me to eat it, scammer!

I think it's possible that neither side is deliberetly trying to scam the other, just that unfortunetly 2 people who have different opinions on what is important as far as damage descriptions....... :o

[Komataguri]

ung. I'm very likely to be in liquidx's boat over a trade. An HTPC case, was going to be for my daughter. That fucker looks like a fricking wildcat got ahold of it it is scratched up so bad :mad: the seller is on vacation, I'll see what the deal is when he returns. Moral of this story:

Even if scratches and cosmetic damage is INSIGNIFIGANT to you as a seller, it is your resposibility to describe, accurately, ALL FLAWS, because even if minor(or major :rolleyes: ) cosmetic damage is no big deal to you, it may be for the buyer......

I'm not saying that's what happen here, just that there have been accusations on both sides of deliberate scamming--

liquidx: you lied about the condition, scammer!

MechWarrior: you fucked it up or it was damaged in shipping, but you want me to eat it, scammer!

I think it's possible that neither side is deliberetly trying to scam the other, just that unfortunetly 2 people who have different opinions on what is important as far as damage descriptions....... :o


IMHO


The shipper is responsible for the condition of the unit, even during transport. If it is damaged in transport then it its either the sellers fault for not proper packaging, or the sellers responsibility to take it up with the service which damaged it.

The buyer pays for an item that is as described, and when that item arives in a condition other than which was described, By no fault of his own [ I.E. Reasons listed above ], It is the sellers responsibility to rectify the situation. Even if he must " eat it "

[Steelio]

I was reading this and seeing everyone dissing liquid about wanting something for free. I saw nowhere in his post that he wanted anything but a refund.
Sometimes when I look for something condidion doesnt matter. Sometimes condition does matter. Something like this to me I could care less, but I am sure mech is the same way. The GC looked good to him and functioned perfectly. Liquid wanted it to shine.
That is all. Both were right. If Mech wanted to avoid this he would have sent or posted pictures.
Problem solved it is great to see. Both great traders IMHO.

[Muttsta]

Man, I don't understand why you guys are bashing on Liquid
Mech clearly said it was in perfect/mint condition
If I got the gamecube in a condition like that I'd be preety pissed tho, especially since I was lied to

If its not perfect then why list it as such and even ask the guy why he wants pics when you sa its perfect?
I'm sorry, but thats just not fair, you should have been honest and said it has quite a few scratches and a deep paint chip

[Muttsta]

oh, and if it was damaged in transport (I don't see why it would get scratched up like that in transport)
Then its the sellers fault for mispacking it

The only exception to this is if the package has dents and breaks all over it

[2dFx]

oh, and if it was damaged in transport (I don't see why it would get scratched up like that in transport)
Then its the sellers fault for mispacking it

The only exception to this is if the package has dents and breaks all over it

I also see nothing in the sale thread relating to the unit's condition being AS-IS...so therefore, it was sold in the described, BETTER than reasonable condition. If you ask me, LiquidX is not at fault here.

[Stang Man]

that GC != perfect condition.


and the guy who's backing up MechWarrior who is online friends with him, be careful!

i was once online friends once with 2 of some of the biggest trolls around! ya'll know Justin from 3dmaxx and Jason/MickeyMouse/Qwerty57?? yup, so, you never know!

not saying Mech is a troll, but you never know how people are when you only know them online.

[I Pity Da Fool]

Wow... you people still stirring the koolaid even after we drank it all... :rolleyes:

Heh ok just kidding, continue with the comments i guess

[MikeF98765]

if you feel he derserves negative, leave it and describe exactly what happened. If i wanted to buy something and its condition was very important to me, i'd like to know if the seller has a skewed view of "perfect condition".

The fact that he wouldn't get you pics is kind of shady to me.

[Komataguri]

if you feel he derserves negative, leave it and describe exactly what happened. If i wanted to buy something and its condition was very important to me, i'd like to know if the seller has a skewed view of "perfect condition".

The fact that he wouldn't get you pics is kind of shady to me.


True, True.

As if he was looking to hide the bad condition, Despite his verbal claims of its excellent condition.

[Blue3ffect]

Well, this is long since over, but Ive been gone a long time. I have delt with Mech before and every single claim he made was perfectly accurate. He explained every flaw no matter what it was or how small, and it came BETTER than he described it.

Not going to say that this is necessarily the deal here, but he is a VERY reputable trader and I would have to believe that it is from what has been said. The paint they used on these things was shit, and everyone knows this. Bubblewrap sticks, and everyone knows this, therefor, it should have been removed very carefully to prevent any rubbing. As for the pictures, I have to agree with Mech, you really cant see anything... unless you put the system on a podium in the middle of your family room or something like that, you will NEVER see it...

Just my two cents.

I saw leave the feedback that YOU feel it deserves... not what anyone else feels it desrves... thats what feedback is for... to give YOUR thoughts on what has happened.

[digiram]

It was a 67.00 gc, c'mon now. You can't expect to get a perfect, brand new system for that price man. BTW, If I were you mech, I'd just take it back and repost it on the forum with pics. Someone will pick it up for a good price bro. I can't, cuz I already have a GC.

[tmccann11]

I just decided to read this thread, and I think the funny part of it, is that no heat was exchanged at all.

lol

Tom

[Fox3a]

Could be my computer, but I never saw any pictures.

Feedback should not be given until everything is cleared up.

When I have a fellow trader who is not happy, I usually offer some kind of compensation, if not return. You did admit it was more scratched than you relized, and I think you mentioned that you already gave him free shipping, so maybe give him a few bucks back.

I'd still like to see a picture though, maybe someone could direct me to one?

[crown711]

more details

[stumpy]

more details

read the thread.


pic link is dead though.

[LiquidX]

Aside from not giving me feedback being that I paid upfront I felt Mech jerked and lied to me plain and simple, no matter how cheap I got it. I made it clear I wanted a system like this in mint condition, mainly because it was going to be a birthday present for someone after I finished a game I bought for it, he assured me it was in "perfect condition". It did not come that way and then he lied and said I must have done something to it. It was dirty and full of scratches and I dont see how bubble wrap could do that and I wasnt comfortable giveing it to my neice for her birthday that way. I just feel if your selling something you should be upfront even if you think its small it may be a problem for someone else. If you dont feel that way you should be trading on a forum where trust is that key. In anycase I consider this issue dead so please let it remain dead becuase just thinking about still gets me pissed.


Also if an admin sees this thread please close it. Thanks!