View Full Version : Project: Chroblue Update 14 pics. (56k warning)
Phenom
08-03-2004, 12:44 AM
Hey,
Sorry for not updating my progress, but I didnt feel like taking a lot of pictures everytime. Here is the progress so far. I am 80% done with the case. I am currently building a new cooling solution for the computer. It's really new and I dont think it has been done yet. Hell I dont even know if it will preform well. Anyway its worth a try. I will show some pictures of it when I get it a patent for it.
I am still not sure on the hardware. Right now im thinking of a Athlon 64 FX53 and maybe duel video cards. I will have $3500 to spend on hardware.
Picture Update Time...
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb1.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb2.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb3.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb4.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb5.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb56.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb7.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb8.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb10.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb11.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb12.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-wb13.jpg
Heres a before picture...
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/xtakerx25-q1.jpg
Thats it for now Ill update every few days with pictures.
Ub312g0d654
08-03-2004, 01:20 AM
Is there aluminum tape in that!?Im sorry man, and I usually dont say stuff like this, but buy a new case...or at least take off all that extra stuff you put on it and try another take on it. hideous.
DRJ1014
08-03-2004, 03:21 AM
http://www.offreviews.com/pictures/confused-dog 2.JPG
waddles
08-03-2004, 03:48 AM
I'm not sure what I'm looking at... care to elaborate a bit more on your "cooling solution?"
NickTheNut
08-03-2004, 04:42 AM
with a suspected 80% done on the case thus far I think it's safe to say that it will not be making any drastic changes now.
So with that said, I'll say this: please stop. dismantle everything you've done thus far, and star over. http://hardforum.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I don't mean to be rude, but it really doesn't look like a quality job (notice i did not say ugly, or anything else). If I'm not mistaken it looks like the foil tape you put on there even has air pockets and creases where they shouldn't be in a few spots. That's just poor quality in my opinion. The bottom portion also looks scratched to hell.
I really don't mean to be brutal or anything, but a $3500 system deserves a better case than that. http://hardforum.com/images/smilies/eek.gif
gigglebyte
08-03-2004, 10:25 AM
sorry but all I can say is ouch....and if you have $3500 for the project and really want a plexi case go to Tap plastics and have them make one for you....you could design it but let somebody else do it for ya...this case just reminds me of a riced up civic that has gone horibaly wrong!!
SacLANd
08-03-2004, 11:00 AM
lol i was thinking the same thing, its missing the "Type R" Sticker though...
gigglebyte
08-03-2004, 01:14 PM
a coffee can for exhaust and a wing are also needed
CrimandEvil
08-03-2004, 01:34 PM
LOL, some funny stuff there. I agree with NickTheNut (but I wonldn't have been so nice about, lol), if thats 80% done then I'd hate to see all 100%.
gigglebyte
08-03-2004, 02:41 PM
oh my bad...I do see the wing in the first picture..and ground effects as well....now all we need is the exhaust and the type R sticker
Deathskythee
08-03-2004, 04:08 PM
looks tacky.
mastrcronX
08-06-2004, 01:31 AM
is that a sail boat? or just a boat in general? looks like you are adapting the idea from some kind of boat and taking it to your case, like the fan in the lower back behind those 'fins'
ness1469
08-06-2004, 01:37 AM
I hate to make rude posts, but I'm sure at one point this was a cool idea in your head... but it should have stayed there. This is definately a form over function case, and the form looks bad, so I'd hate to see how bad the function is.
I don't get what you were going for at all. It's like you bought the case, wanted to add some fans here and there, and then slowly just added more and more plexi thinking is was rad.
Maybe a bit more insight or some sketches of what you had planned on can save this case from being a TOTAL disaster.
DRJ1014
08-06-2004, 01:48 AM
what is it suppose to be?
CrimandEvil
08-06-2004, 01:50 AM
I dont' know but they seem to like over at the bit-tech forum.
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=65373
mastrcronX
08-06-2004, 01:53 AM
a sled? :confused:
speedracer089
08-06-2004, 02:07 AM
i think with all the acrylic and chrome tubing/sleeving he is trying and failing at making a variant of this case
http://bit-tech.net/images/article/135/Front800wWMk.jpg
waddles
08-06-2004, 02:33 AM
It really does look like ass, I don't see why everyone at bit-tech has a boner over it.
speedracer089
08-06-2004, 02:38 AM
ya i think i would most likly get this case
http://www.atxcases.com/Cases/images/100/DevilCat/devilcat02.jpg
before i would get the sled case thing
spectrumbx
08-06-2004, 02:52 AM
Looks promissing to me.
Wait till the guy finish the project first. :rolleyes:
Most of you have no idea where he is really going with this.
Good job so far Phenom. Keep us posted on the finish project.
DRJ1014
08-06-2004, 03:15 AM
i bet your a friend or brother
speedracer089
08-06-2004, 03:16 AM
every person has there own opinion and in my opinion that think looks like poo. if it isnt looking good at 80% it isnt going to look good at 100% in my opinion.
he is also most likley from the bit-tech forums
NickTheNut
08-06-2004, 03:23 AM
Most of you have no idea where he is really going with this.
Well it'd be nice if he were to tell us? Or maybe you know?
http://hardforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
ness1469
08-07-2004, 02:23 AM
Wait till the guy finish the project first. :rolleyes:
Most of you have no idea where he is really going with this.
First off, he hasn't told us, so we reserve the right to question where he is going with it..
Secondly, from the look of it, HE doesn't know either.
Adding curved pieces of plexi to a plexi case isn't anything to get worked up about.
I sure hope he has something in mind because it doesn't look like much is going on at this point.
waddles
08-07-2004, 02:30 AM
Checking the thread (http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=65373) on Bit-Tech shows that he's added some kind of ugly wiring column and is going to WC it.
Doubtful that he'll post anymore updates here, since it looks like most [H]'ers hate it and are generally a brutally honest bunch. :D
spectrumbx
08-07-2004, 02:47 AM
blah blah blah....
wait for the darn final result... :rolleyes:
CrimandEvil
08-07-2004, 02:48 AM
heheh I just posted over there. :D :rolleyes:
CrimandEvil
08-07-2004, 02:53 AM
blah blah blah....
wait for the darn final result... :rolleyes:
Look, he said it was 80% and it still looks like crap...over at the bit-tech forums he's posted more (since he's scared to do so here) and it still looks like s***. I can put the business end of a shotgun to a case and it would still look better then what he's doing.
Maybe you should tell your friend to post some details like WTF all those fans are suppose to do (gee more fans must mean better airflow... :rolleyes: ) or what's up with the plexi-on-plexi stuff.
The least he could have done was pull the images and say "bye" like someone else did when he posted his Logitech mouse mod that didn't look to hot. In that thread everyone was pretty supportive (even me) yet the guy still acted like a jerk and yanked the pics. Thats the last damn time I'll ever be that nice when it comes to craptacular mods.
mastrcronX
08-07-2004, 03:03 AM
Checking the thread (http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=65373) on Bit-Tech shows that he's added some kind of ugly wiring column and is going to WC it.
Doubtful that he'll post anymore updates here, since it looks like most [H]'ers hate it and are generally a brutally honest bunch. :D
Yes... the truth does hurt :o
on a serious note, i must give the guy some credit for he is being somewhat insainely creative ... but it would be more useful on a hill of snow
NickTheNut
08-07-2004, 03:35 AM
blah blah blah....
wait for the darn final result... :rolleyes:
blah blah blah...
this is a project log. if the creator of this wanted us to wait until the final result he wouldn't have posted it here, and he would have waited until it was finished to than post it in the case gallery forum.
i'm sorry, but like I said - poor quality. I read in the bit-tech forum that he's attaching the plexi w/ hot glue?!? come on! at least use the right material for the job. You so much as look at that thing the wrong way and it's likely to fall apart.
/ sigh /
gclg2000
08-07-2004, 10:12 AM
i agree. It;s not exactly the "new hotness," but hey it is his case so if he likes it he likes it.
JEEVES/whohasmyname?
08-07-2004, 11:34 AM
all i have to say is WTF :mad: . I mean give the kid a break, I didnt know this forum was all a bunch of cridicks. Let me see some of your oh so great mods. This guy put up his work here to share ideas and to inspire others ideas. All you people have done is tear into this guy and say well its not orac but it wants to be. WHO GIVES A SHIT IF ITS NOT ORAC, personaly I dont even like the look of orac. You dont fucking bash someones work, if you dont like it DONT POST. Jesus Christ you guys are just a fucking bunch of imature children who wish you had some sort of power over your insignifcant lives. Grow up and dont be such dicks to everyone you see. God this thread has just pissed me off, I have realy started to hate [H] more and more. There is nothing constructive on this forum anymore. Instead of just telling the guy his work looks like shit, why not give him some ideas on how to improve it. Fucking A :mad:
JEEVES
XeRo_Dark
08-07-2004, 02:03 PM
too much blue!
NickTheNut
08-07-2004, 08:55 PM
... snip ...
dude, calm down. There were some dumb comments made, but really. Can you even tell what's going on with that case? I can't. So how are we to give constructive comments? Also the person up and vanished, probably even before these comments came out.
I think we should let this thread die.
Oh, and if you're getting sick of [H] that much, you might as well leave now before you pop a vein in your forhead or something. I'm only looking out for you're health :)
speedracer089
08-07-2004, 10:29 PM
have you looked at the bit tech worklog that he has updated. he first said he is working n a new cooling system the hasnt been done. well first of all a aquarius 2 sucks. putting 2 fans on it will not help perforamnce mpre than a degree if that. wow this guy is freaking me out.
DRJ1014
08-07-2004, 10:37 PM
u know i havnt heard anything from phenom. where did he go?
People are intitled to there own opinion. When you usually post in this part of the forum (case modding) you show pictures and want to hear there reactions. If he doesnt like the opinions then he can ask an admin or an mod do delete this thread. if im wrong please correct me.
Kurtis
08-08-2004, 12:19 AM
i feel bad for the alledged $3500 worth of hardware that is going to go live in the projects... err i mean his case.
i don't usually like to be rude either. i'm no pro modder myself, but that thing really just is ugly and it doesn't look like he's even attempting to get any sort of decent level of quality even... if that's the way he likes it, well alrighty then, but I can't say I personally like it.
my advice would be for him to plan things out, do some research, and then use the right materials to get the job done well
DRJ1014
08-08-2004, 12:21 AM
It Looks like he was making stuff up as he went along. take that 3500 dollars and go buy a car or buy your girlfriend/boyfired:eek: somthing special :p
CrimandEvil
08-08-2004, 12:32 AM
It Looks like he was making stuff up as he went along. take that 3500 dollars and go buy a car or buy your girlfriend/boyfired:eek: somthing special :p
Best advice ever! ;)
DRJ1014
08-08-2004, 12:43 AM
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&kc=6V412&l=en&oc=DXPS3RS&s=dhs
perfect and look at all the stuff you get.
oopps hold on
ok go to that site and do all this
change operating system to professional
change memory to 2gb ddr2
change video card to to 256 x800xt pci express
first hard drive do148gb raid 0
second do 160gb
CD/DVD burner do Dual Drives: 48x CD-RW Drive + 16x DVD+RW/+R w/ double layer write capable
Change monitor to 20.1 2001fp
and update the price and you should get 3,431 dollars.
now that would be a kick ass system
ness1469
08-08-2004, 01:41 AM
all i have to say is WTF :mad: . I mean give the kid a break, I didnt know this forum was all a bunch of cridicks. Let me see some of your oh so great mods. This guy put up his work here to share ideas and to inspire others ideas. All you people have done is tear into this guy and say well its not orac but it wants to be. WHO GIVES A SHIT IF ITS NOT ORAC, personaly I dont even like the look of orac. You dont fucking bash someones work, if you dont like it DONT POST. Jesus Christ you guys are just a fucking bunch of imature children who wish you had some sort of power over your insignifcant lives. Grow up and dont be such dicks to everyone you see. God this thread has just pissed me off, I have realy started to hate [H] more and more. There is nothing constructive on this forum anymore. Instead of just telling the guy his work looks like shit, why not give him some ideas on how to improve it. Fucking A :mad:
JEEVES
Criticism is given where criticism is deserved. If you can't take the criticism, don't post.
Being honest, no matter how brutal it is, is more respectful than lying to someone.
Take a read at the classic story "The emporer's new clothes."
I understand that we should all be supportive of other people's work, but I've said completely serious things, about wondering where he was going with this and what his plans were.
In a completely non-insulting manner, I am honestly wondering if he planned this out before he started the work and if he understands that his design is probably creating some performance flaws.
JEEVES/whohasmyname?
08-08-2004, 03:32 AM
When I read this thread I did not see very many constructive post. Just people saying how crapy it looked. I do understand the purpose of being honest, but have so courtisy. What I read was nothing of the sort, and I doubt he will be coming back (with a welcome like that i dont think I would have either). And i repeat what i have said earlier, Show me some of your case mods and then talk about critisism. I wonder if the half of you can do any better than he has right now (better yet I bet half of you have not even attempted a mod, and no a ccfl is not a mod). The way I see this case is as a beginers case, there is still alot of potential in the mod. Instead of discouraging the guy from continuing the mod, how about some ideas on how to better the mod? I see that as constructive criticism, not "your case sucks". Once again, grow up and learn the diffrence between constructive criticism and just plain asshole.
JEEVES
OptPrime
08-08-2004, 10:51 AM
Note to FLECOM
thread lock... thread lock....
compslckr
08-08-2004, 11:02 AM
at least he is doing his own modding and not just buyingsome hideous premod. his modding is not my style either, and the quailty does look on the low side, but hey give him a break he is having fun and gaining mod experience.
i think we scared him away for good though, gj guys
gigglebyte
08-08-2004, 11:12 AM
jeeves...calm down and take slow deep breaths....if [H] is becoming to offensive then my best advice is leave....as for this mode...it is crap and people will call it crap because it is..end of story....you are corret that not everybody here has done [H] mods but I can assure you that if I was doing that case (exact same layout) I would at least make sure there were no bubbles or creases in the freaking metal tape! that just looks bad
compslckr...no he didn't buy a hideous premod...he is making his own hideous mod (IMO)
While I am in the group of you who have not posted any mods or shown any of my own work, I definitely agree with Jeeves. I found this forum after looking for guidance on some of my own mods, and was instantly hooked. I have not only enjoyed the mods that I have seen, I have learned a great deal from some true craftsmen and women on how to better do some of the things that I would like to do.
That has not happened in this particular case. I thought that the chroblue mod looked no better nor worse than some of the other mods that have been posted here. The person was trying to get some constructive feedback on how to better realize the vision he had for his computer, not receive a flaming tirade from a gaggle of immature children. If you do not like something, say it with class. Please do not let yourselves deevolve into trash. It cheapens the forum and it cheapens you.
Thanks, Jeeves, for trying to bring back a sense of decorum to the landscape that is [H],
Do, or Do Not, there is no Try.
Sobek
08-08-2004, 08:31 PM
Phenom, Have you tried using a plexi or acylic glue that basically bonds the two pieces together? It looks like you used hot glue but I can't tell for sure.
I have the black version of that case from FrozenCPU and I hate it. I'm replacing it with a Lian-Li PC-61(mod log in sig) because it is such a bitch to hide wires, swap out drives, transport while moving, etc. It also collects dust very easily. You fan filters should eliminate this though. Stock fan filters look like shit IMHO on acrylic cases. Perhaps you can paint yours to match your case. You can get acrylic rods/dowls at some craft stores and they maight be useful in your mod as well.
I have to agree with Jeeves and yoda as far as constructive criticism is concerned. Telling someone their project looks shitty, they would be better off getting the Hello Kitty case, etc. is not consructive criticism. Maybe he saw the Orac 3 and was inspired to do something similar. That isn't "copying" as far as I'm concerned. I have seen some really horrible mods during the past three years I've been around this forum and Phenom's isn't bad in comparison. How is the guy going to learn anything if he is flamed for posting his work? I think I'm the first to offer any sort of real advice about his project. It's no wonder he hasn't responded after 3 pages of posts.
3N1GM4
08-09-2004, 01:58 AM
all i have to say is that most of you who have posted are douches...
gigglebyte
08-09-2004, 09:50 AM
for all of you who think we have been too hard on this mod....I think things would have been way different if he would have come in BEFORE he got to the 80% mark and said this is what I am wanting to do...asked for some advice and gone from there...but he DIDN'T do that and just came in and said look at what I have done....it reminds me of the tile job my nieghbor did on his own and though looked good (grout lines uneven, tile not level, tile crooked)...scary!
Trinz
08-09-2004, 10:09 AM
You can do a lot in 20%.... Like move the fans inside the case and reduce the size of those flares to about 1/3 original size. Make them look more like an accent... not the focus of the case. Might want to take the flares off the front entirely. Take a more conservative approach and you'll realize a little can sometimes be a lot more.
NickTheNut
08-09-2004, 01:54 PM
for all of you who think we have been too hard on this mod....I think things would have been way different if he would have come in BEFORE he got to the 80% mark and said this is what I am wanting to do...asked for some advice and gone from there...but he DIDN'T do that and just came in and said look at what I have done....it reminds me of the tile job my nieghbor did on his own and though looked good (grout lines uneven, tile not level, tile crooked)...scary!
I agree.
JEEVES/whohasmyname?
08-09-2004, 03:51 PM
Not everyone has the means to post updates with pics for you people. Mabey he just got a digi camera and has already started the project and is just now being able to create a work log. And who cares where "he came in" this is still a work in progress and there for a worklog. But why does that make a diffrence on how you respond? Since he came in in the middle of the project that means there is no need for constructive criticism and everyone can just make fun of him. Crying out loud wtf is wrong with you people, I say again grow up.
JEEVES
Beowulf
08-10-2004, 02:55 AM
:eek: :confused:
I don't quite understand what it is that I'm looking at. Please, explain your mod.
Phenom
08-10-2004, 07:41 PM
Hey,
Wow I have been receiving a lot of negative comments on this project on this forums. All the other fourms I have posted at, like Bit-tech and Xoxide, have liked the project. I wanted to create something different the the original computer case with the fans inside. I wanted a space age computer case. Here is a big update so far. I took some outside shots and I started adding the water cooling. I still have a lot of cleaning up to do and working on the wiring.
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-we1.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-we2.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-we3.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-we4.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-we5.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-we6.jpg
All the looms and fans will connect to this. I hope this makes everything clean inside the case.
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-as1.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-as2.jpg
Hard Drive Rack
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-as3.jpg
Water-Cooling on and some fans on. The back fans still need to be connected. I need to buy more molex connectors.
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-as4.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-as5.jpg
Hard Drive Rack installed
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-as6.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-as7.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/takerx11-as8.jpg
sorry for the blurry pictures, I am still gettting use to the digital camera.
Thats it for now, next will be to finish up the wiring, add another fan to cool the video card and add the power switch.
CrimandEvil
08-10-2004, 08:04 PM
Thank you for explain alittle what your trying to do! Now it's possible to give some helpful feedback!
If your water cooling then are you going to loss some of those fans? All those fans sort of worry me.
Phenom
08-10-2004, 08:10 PM
Naa, I dont plan on lossing the fans. I think the extra fan power will help in the long run. The noise factor doesnt bother me, as long as I get performance. Also the water cooling system I am using is aquarius II. As you can see I did some modding on the radiator. I also plan on using a Maze 4 block.
Why do the fans bother you?
CrimandEvil
08-10-2004, 08:15 PM
They don't really bother me as such it's just that I'm not so sure that you'll need all the extra fans (there was also the noise factor but as you said that doesn't bother you :) ). I'm currently building my own watercooling setup because I don't want to load up on fans to get some good performance when OCing so I guess that were I'm coming from. I'm also going to be getting a Maze 4 (hellova block) while I build my own.
Phenom
08-10-2004, 08:19 PM
Ya, it sure is a good block. Its also the only good block on the market that can come with 1/4 fittings.
spectrumbx
08-10-2004, 08:41 PM
I am glad to see this thread take a more positive turn. :)
Hey Phenom, what are your plans for the lighting? Keep the few blue lights you have there? Or add more?
clone#13
08-10-2004, 08:47 PM
I agree about the fact some people in this forum just like to blast others negatively. So gigglebyte you say that guy should have come in first and ask about your damn opinion on building his mod.....well I tell ya some guys in here you come in and write and ask for advice...and just get a reply saying well you should have read more about the damn subject since we have seen so many of those posts where people are asking "what do you think of this...." WTF??? any freaking mod is a mod since the freaking damn box does not look the same as when it was purchased!!!! :mad:
Phenom
08-10-2004, 08:48 PM
Hey,
I have two blue cathodes that I will be adding to it.
ness1469
08-10-2004, 10:57 PM
I wanted a space age computer case.
.
You know, if you had said that in the begining, this thing would have made much more sense. Can't guarantee you wouldn't have had all the flames, but at least you could think half of them would be because people just looked at the pictures and didn't read.
Again, I want to ask what plans you have in mind and if you did any sketches or anything.
Phenom
08-10-2004, 11:53 PM
Well, I didnt do any sketchs. Its mostly plan as you go. So far my plan is to build a computer that is different then any others. As you can tell I am heading in that direction with the fans outside the case and the fans hanging from a fishing line. I wanted to build a computer that could as preform well. That is why I added all the fans and water cooling. I just want to make a good looking and different clear case. I think wonce I connect all the fans and add the lighting you will get a better picture.
Hardware Plans:
Althon FX 53
ATI x800 PE maybe duel video cards (A privately owned computer service place that I visit is currently working on a duel video card system.) (I am good friends with the owner.)
2 gb of ddr ram
120 hard drive
OptPrime
08-11-2004, 12:11 PM
apparently ur good friends with the dood that owns alianware.... LoL seriously that gave me a good laugh... :D
ATH25
08-11-2004, 12:51 PM
The only reason you got negative comments is because of your use of silver tape and hot glue. You used waaaayy too much silver tape, and that hot glue is not going to hold very well. Try using cool screws or something to hold the case together, then you would not need the silver tape to hide the glue marks.
OptPrime
08-11-2004, 04:14 PM
Really I have no problems with your case and what your doing. You're going for an original look and I solute you for it. But just remember this. Unless you are an employee of pinafaria or a member of the lotus design team, this thing is not going to give the idea of having an fx-53 in it.
So keep in mind, you can drop 300,000 building your own car or hopping up your civic... but u'll still get burned by the guy with the 300,000 ferrari.
Phenom
08-11-2004, 07:33 PM
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DROPPED BY ME AND I AM STARTING UP A NEW ONE WITH THE EXISTING CASE. I plan on putting up a new project log soon.
CrimandEvil
08-11-2004, 11:26 PM
What's the new case? Why did you drop it? I think that with alittle tweaking that case could have been pretty cool.
Phenom
08-12-2004, 08:39 PM
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DROPPED BY ME AND I AM STARTING UP A NEW ONE WITH THE EXISTING CASE.
NEW PROJECT LOG UP
Project: Revame
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1026461265#post1026461265
][V][AGIC
08-16-2004, 08:49 PM
what are those plexi fins on the time bottom and front for, or are they just for looks?
ness1469
08-16-2004, 10:43 PM
[V][AGIC']what are those plexi fins on the time bottom and front for, or are they just for looks?
They were for helping people read.
He wanted a futuristic look. Simply aestetic, non-funtional.
philodox
08-17-2004, 11:31 AM
They were for helping people read.rofl :D
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