Do I deserve this treatment?

[ruhk]

Am I a troll? Do I deserve negative feedback? I just concluded a deal with this guy, I got him his money back within 2 hours of his first PM to me. Im sitting here at a loss for words, abused, angry, and not sure of what to do. What if this guy leaves me negative feedback even though he proposed a deal to get that psu for super cheap in exchange for positive heat?

Sorry its long, but please read.


Man, I am one pissed off customer. The power supply I got IS NOT the power supply you linked to in your for sale ad. THAT power supply had unpluggable cables, allowing the user to have ONLY the ones wanted.

This one is nothing like it. It IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MODEL! To advertise one thing and sell another is simple bullshit. I want a refund, including the cost of return shipping.

Man, if you're not a troll, you're right next door.

What is this about?



Which model did I send you? If it is indeed different you have my apologies and ill refund you the money + shipping



I see you're online and I was hoping to get an answer to this quickly. The PSupply I got is not the one you advertised, as shown by the output spec in your ad I quoted in my thread reply. Actually, I got one at computer geeks with better rails for $20 delivered. (Not as pretty, though)

I am willing to keep this power supply and pay $25 delivered. You may refund me the difference between what I paid and $25 and I'll be satisfied and give you + heat.

Otherwise, I think you owe a refund to me and every other person who bought this as a result of your mis representations

regards



Well, if you dont mind, which one did I accidentally ship you? I have a bunch of similar ones, I was prolly retarded and shipped the wrong one.



It is model WIN500-PS If you're not going to use model numbers in your ad, but current rails, this one has 19amps on the 12 volt line and 15 on the 3.3



What you got isnt this product? http://www.ultraproducts.com/item.php?sku=U10-9500%20B



No. As there is no specific model number match I can see, I can only go by the output. It has what I DESCRIBED and NOT WHAT YOU DESCRIBED. They are quoted in this message (sheesh)

no, I do not have aim. We ARE talking and I am getting tense. THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE:

unpluggable molex wires
anywhere near the rails you described
it has
15A - 3.3
19A - +12

-I will buy it at a lower price, refund the difference.
-I will return it (you refund me now and I ship; I have better heat)

I want an answer quikly, because other people are close to buying since I bumped. If you're a troll, it's not responsible of me not to bring this up in the thread.

Do you want a pic? Thell me where to send them...




DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SELLING?



You just told me it was a WIN500-PS. Listen, I am willing to do whatever it takes to make the situation right, but I want to make sure the error happened on my end before I refund your money. Can you give me some pics of the powersupply and the shipping label or something?



What about the output rails. You have lied to everyone or made a mistake to me. I'll send the pics. We are near the end of this discussion. What you offered was a 25amp 12 volt line and what I got was a 19 amp 12 volt line. I sent you the damn model number!!!!!!!!!

You are sounding like a worm to me.

Hey, I can afford the loss. People just need to know your name.



And whatabout the detatched cables? Where in my thread did I say it came with that?
Please send me pics at ruhk53@gmail.com. All I ask is some proof of your claims, and if I can see I did screw up, I would be glad to refund you a difference in price.



Like I said, please wait until I see the pics before you cry troll. You sent me the model number, then said it had no model number. Also, there is no claim these had disconnectable molex connecters at all. I just want a little proof, please have a little patience and everything will get sorted out.



Guy, I said YOUR AD had no model number. I GAVE YOU the model number of what you sold me. I bought it for two reasons:

1 - the disconnect cables (You're right; you didn't say it had those) Although the NAME of the psupply you represented was the same as the NAME of the psupply linked through YOUR link with those reviews. Man, if it's not a lie it's REAL INCOMPETANCE. AS in [NOT] "I'm selling model # 1234 powersupply, linked here"

2- strong rails. YOU QUOTED THEM!. THEY ARE NOT WHAT I GOT. Geez, it's in black and white in your thread. You answered other people's questions about the rails without demurring.

If what I got is what you're selling, everybody needs to know.

regards



Excuse me? I got your picture, and I see that I made a mistake, and I offered to refund or let you keep if for cheaper. Please do not continue to badger me.



I'm not badgering you, ruhk. I didn't get what you offered and I was just wondered if ANY other people did. You can resolve that part of it by sending me a REAL link to what you offered (YOUR RAILS and how it looked)
But, if there is no link and NO REAL PLACE where what you offered exists, ooooh...
what does that make your offering?
Puffery?
Malicious?
incompetant?

Please remember that this discussion is in private.


Ok buddy, I have admitted I made a mistake, I have offered you a complete refund or you offered me to sell it to you for 25$ shipped, which I am willing to do.
I have already contacted the other buyers and have offered them refunds as well.
This product was returned overstock, I thought it was what I linked, I was wrong. Ultra's webpage is not very
informative, there is only one black 500w PSU on their entire site, and it looks just like the ones I have. It was an honest mistake.
This is your last chance before I go to the mods for harrassment.



A THREAT?
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I HAVE ASSUMED AND RESPECTED YOUR INCOMPETANCE by addressing this issue with you in private. IN PRIVATE Do You Understand that? IN PRIVATE
We're talking about a POWER SUPPLY. If you don't understand a POWER SUPPLY, who THE FUCK would want to buy ANYTHING REAL from YOU again?
AND YOU THEN THREATEN ME?
I think you could BECOME famous
You want to ask the mods to hassle me for messages I've been respectful enough to send you in private?
You are a rare piece of work...



He then edited one of my quotes and replied that the refunding the price to 25$ shipped was what he wanted.


This is all I wanted. - "Ok. Refund me the difference between $25 and what I paid you to paypal edited@personalinfo.com"
I will refund you your money. But honestly, any more flames, name calling, ect and I will send this entire conversation to a mod.
I also expect that you hold to your deal about leaving heat.



Geez! You just want to keep threatening me. You lied about your offering and when I respected you enough to call you on it in private, you threaten me. When I gently bring it up you KEEP THREATENING ME.

YOU ARE A FUCKING WORM!!! SEND ANY MODS YOU WANT TO THESE PM's. Are you an idiot??? Do you think they can't read?

I will not give you positive heat. EVER. I will not give you negative heat, if you refund my money. I will be kind and give you NO heat.

WHAT A JERK YOU ARE!. SEND THE PM'S TO A MOD. DO IT NOW! Do you think it's a mistake to call you a liar (with clear proof) IN PRIVATE?

If I have my refund by tomorrow morning, I will say no more about you. To anyone. Ever again. If I do not, I have all your quotes and everyone will understand your wacko claim to the right to lie.

[jackbauer]

gently bring it up???? sounds like the seller has done everything to fix the problem including full and total refund. what isthe deal.

[computerpro3]

dude the seller is the one posting this:

Ruhk, the buyer is a total asshat. If I was you, give him his money back, then start a thread on HIM and leave HIM negative heat. Then try to have your negative heat retracted via the admins over there. Good luck.

[NleahciM]

The guy's probably about 13 years old. Just ignore him and report him to a mod.

[Kroz]

Someone didnt take there medication.....

[ruhk]

When I politely reminded him about his prior statement about the heatware, he wrote this.

Implicit in that statement was my expectation for a qqick and simple resolution. I have since become extraordinarily pissed off by your evasive attitude. I want nothing further to do with you now, or in future. I will not crap on your thread and I will not give you crummy heat. That's the best you get out of me


I refunded him his money within 2 hours of him first contacting me that anything was wrong. Evasive attitude?
What should I do?

[galois427]

don't let yourself be depressed by this obvious moron. if i were you, i wouldn't have sent you shit after the type of attitude he displayed.

[ickywu]

When I politely reminded him about his prior statement about the heatware, he wrote this.


I refunded him his money within 2 hours of him first contacting me that anything was wrong. Evasive attitude?
What should I do?

You know, Ruhk, I thought it was over when I sent that message. I see it is not. I find out you have published our conversations, including edited content and order.

I did not make the offer to keep the power supply at a lower price " in exchange for positive heat" I made the offer for two reasons:
1. To save myself the ag of packing it up and shipping it.
2. Because I need another power supply and this one was good enough to serve that need.

Apparently, you believe you "bought" the right to positive heat when you paid me a partial refund for an item you sold through mis representation.

You did not. If you have any lingering doubt about that, just complete the refund. Send me the remaining balance of what I paid plus $6 bucks. I will ship the psupply back and get what I need elsewhere. (It looks like actual shipping will be $6.50; I'll eat the 50 cents and paypal fees.)

You still won't get + heat from me. But, at least, you won't have the lingering belief I somehow owe it to you. You will know that I just think you're a lying worm and THAT'S why I'm not giving you positive heat.

[Mark099]

You still won't get + heat from me. But, at least, you won't have the lingering belief I somehow owe it to you. You will know that I just think you're a lying worm and THAT'S why I'm not giving you positive heat.

Your negative heat will be removed so I wouldn't bother. It sounds like the seller made an honest mistake. A partial refund was given and $25 for a decent 500W PSU is a nice deal.

I would suggest that you leave everything as is and not bother to exchange heat.

[NleahciM]

You know, Ruhk, I thought it was over when I sent that message. I see it is not. I find out you have published our conversations, including edited content and order.

I did not make the offer to keep the power supply at a lower price " in exchange for positive heat" I made the offer for two reasons:
1. To save myself the ag of packing it up and shipping it.
2. Because I need another power supply and this one was good enough to serve that need.

Apparently, you believe you "bought" the right to positive heat when you paid me a partial refund for an item you sold through mis representation.

You did not. If you have any lingering doubt about that, just complete the refund. Send me the remaining balance of what I paid plus $6 bucks. I will ship the psupply back and get what I need elsewhere. (It looks like actual shipping will be $6.50; I'll eat the 50 cents and paypal fees.)

You still won't get + heat from me. But, at least, you won't have the lingering belief I somehow owe it to you. You will know that I just think you're a lying worm and THAT'S why I'm not giving you positive heat.
I agree that he shouldn't have posted your name. That wasn't classy.

[ickywu]

Your negative heat will be removed so I wouldn't bother. It sounds like the seller made an honest mistake. A partial refund was given and $25 for a decent 500W PSU is a nice deal.

I would suggest that you leave everything as is and not bother to exchange heat.

I don't know where this negative heat stuff comes from. I NEVER suggested I would leave Ruhk negative heat. Why would I leave someone negative heat on an issue we resolved? I simply told him I was not going to leave him positive heat. Our conversations were reasonably civil until he began to threaten me. (Although I didn't like it when he danced around identifying the unit after I gave him the power rails and model #.).

Ruhk kind of implied I might leave him negative heat when he started the thread, but I've told him repeatedly that I would not do that. I told him I'd leave no heat at all, just as you suggested. It's the obvious answer when two people disagree as thoroughly as we do.

The question of whether the mistake was honest is another matter. How does somebody list in their ad power rails completely different from the one in their hand? Did the higher power units ever exist? I don't know. While a refund is the only practical answer, it doesn't make it right to advertise something different from what you sell. I think any seller has a responsibility to be A LOT more accurate than Ruhk was.

[computerpro3]

I did not make the offer to keep the power supply at a lower price " in exchange for positive heat" I made the offer...:
.

lol hey its kinda like john kerry

[Whatsisname]

Danced around? Ultra's site has different model numbers than whats on the label. Whats anyone supposed to do.

(Although I didn't like it when he danced around identifying the unit after I gave him the power rails and model #.).

[Whatsisname]

The powersupplies are returned overstock. We were told they were the model we linked to in the thread. Apparently that is not correct, they are a slightly diffferent version of that. And we are currently checking them all to find out exactly what they are.

The question of whether the mistake was honest is another matter. How does somebody list in their ad power rails completely different from the one in their hand? Did the higher power units ever exist? I don't know. While a refund is the only practical answer, it doesn't make it right to advertise something different from what you sell. I think any seller has a responsibility to be A LOT more accurate than Ruhk was.

[CrimandEvil]

Wow...that little kid is some piece of work.

I agree that he shouldn't have posted your name. That wasn't classy.
Classy or not atleast now people know who to avoid when they are selling something.

[ickywu]

The powersupplies are returned overstock. We were told they were the model we linked to in the thread. Apparently that is not correct, they are a slightly diffferent version of that. And we are currently checking them all to find out exactly what they are.

Oh, no whatsis, they're nothing like it at all. Look, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I can read ok. You offered the psu with no model #, no pics (which would have avoided the problem completely, there's a lesson all right) listed its specs and linked to a psu on the distributer's website. I followed the link you provided. There's only ** 1 ** psu on that site meeting the description you gave. For that PSU, information and review links were provided. I read them. Your price for _that_ psu was a flat out great value.

Except that's not what it was. That makes your ad spectacularly misleading. The specs for the psu are printed on it's case, everyone knows that. They don't match what you listed. Are you telling me you never even looked at the thing you were selling? If that's an innocent mistake it's still an astounding one.

[ruhk]

Oh, no whatsis, they're nothing like it at all. Look, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I can read ok. You offered the psu with no model #, no pics (which would have avoided the problem completely, there's a lesson all right) listed its specs and linked to a psu on the distributer's website. I followed the link you provided. There's only ** 1 ** psu on that site meeting the description you gave. For that PSU, information and review links were provided. I read them. Your price for _that_ psu was a flat out great value.

Except that's not what it was. That makes your ad spectacularly misleading. The specs for the psu are printed on it's case, everyone knows that. They don't match what you listed. Are you telling me you never even looked at the thing you were selling? If that's an innocent mistake it's still an astounding one.

It was an honest mistake. I have a mix of the two PSUs, actually you are the only one that got mis-shipped the wrong PSU. I asked for a little bit of proof, and got a bunch of crap. You offered me to buy it for cheaper, and I accepted.

You got your money back almost instantly, how am I a worm and a lier and a cheat and a troll and every thing else you called me? The fact is, you conned me into selling it to you for cheap with the empty promise of leaving good feedback.

[ickywu]

You got your money back almost instantly, how am I a worm and a lier and a cheat and a troll and every thing else you called me? The fact is, you conned me into selling it to you for cheap with the empty promise of leaving good feedback.

Ok, there Ruhk. I have refunded your refund, minus the paypal fees. I have now bought a good quality 350 watt power supply for the price of the 500 watt power supply you advertised. Presumably, you will now understand why you get no heat. I obviously don't think much of you Ruhk; I don't know why you wanted positive heat from me, anyway.

As to the rest of your questions:
-You are a worm because you threatened me, because you started all this AFTER we resolved the issue. (Or so I thought) And because you nagged and nagged and nagged about an issue as trivial as heat.
-You are a liar because you advertised one thing and sold (at least to me) another.
-I never called you a cheat
-I apologize for calling you a troll (I didn't really call you a troll, I said you were right next door.) Since you actually sent something, I don't think you meet the definition of a troll.

Moreover, I actually do apologize for cursing at you. As much as I dislike your actions and as offended as I was by your threats, there was no need for me to be crude.

[CrimandEvil]

ickywu you need to sit down and take your ritalin, the PMs posted really don't make you look like a good guy. Hell I'd say you bullied the guy into getting a cheap PSU.

[Randy2]

Not to add fuel to the fire here, but I saw that post and even made a non-crap comment so people didn't get burned on these. All it took was about 5 minutes on google to see that these PSU's were selling for about $25 at several outlets. Regardless of overstock returns or whatever made them look like a deal pricewise, the fact is that I can post a FS thread with 550W PSU's for $60 shipped and damn near double my money. The problem is that some 500W advertised PSU's are no better that some high quality 300W, and to make some quick cash, I'm not going make myself look bad by selling them.

If anyone is interested. Here's the specs on a 550W I can get you for $60 shipped. My cost is $21 each shipped. This is a cut and paste from a popular public retail outlet.

45Amps on the 5V !!! Right, for the first 10minutes of operation packed in ice maybe.

- Echo Star 550-watt gold ATX power supply
- Power cord
-Specifications-
** Echo Star 550-Watt ATX Power Supply **
This Echo Star power supply offers 550-watts total power in a cool gold case design. Power your Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon system easily!

--> General Features:
- Dual Fan case design
- ATX 2.03
- 550-watt maximum output
- One (1) ATX power connector
- One (1) 12V ATX power connector
- One (1) Auxiliary ATX power connector
- Six (6) large (Molex) 4-pin power connectors
- Two (2) small 4-pin power connectors
- Dual fan design
- User switchable
- Over-current protection
- Over-temperature protection
- Supports Pentium 4 processors and AMD Athlon processors

--> Specifications:
- 115V ~ 6A, 60 Hz
- 230V ~ 3.5A, 50 Hz
- +3.3V , 35A
- +5V , 45A
- +12V , 18A
- -5V , 0.5A
- -12V , 0.8A
- +5Vsb , 2A

--> Regulatory Approvals:
- T-tick
- Femco
- CE
- TSM
- VDE
- CB
- EMI
- Demco
- OVE
- Nemco
- TUV
- FCC
- Semco

--> Retail Package Includes:
- Echo Star 550-watt gold ATX power supply
- Power cord

[ruhk]

Not to add fuel to the fire here, but I saw that post and even made a non-crap comment so people didn't get burned on these. All it took was about 5 minutes on google to see that these PSU's were selling for about $25 at several outlets. Regardless of overstock returns or whatever made them look like a deal pricewise, the fact is that I can post a FS thread with 550W PSU's for $60 shipped and damn near double my money. The problem is that some 500W advertised PSU's are no better that some high quality 300W, and to make some quick cash, I'm not going make myself look bad by selling them.

If anyone is interested. Here's the specs on a 550W I can get you for $60 shipped. My cost is $21 each shipped. This is a cut and paste from a popular public retail outlet.

45Amps on the 5V !!! Right, for the first 10minutes of operation packed in ice maybe.

- Echo Star 550-watt gold ATX power supply
- Power cord
-Specifications-
** Echo Star 550-Watt ATX Power Supply **
This Echo Star power supply offers 550-watts total power in a cool gold case design. Power your Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon system easily!

--> General Features:
- Dual Fan case design
- ATX 2.03
- 550-watt maximum output
- One (1) ATX power connector
- One (1) 12V ATX power connector
- One (1) Auxiliary ATX power connector
- Six (6) large (Molex) 4-pin power connectors
- Two (2) small 4-pin power connectors
- Dual fan design
- User switchable
- Over-current protection
- Over-temperature protection
- Supports Pentium 4 processors and AMD Athlon processors

--> Specifications:
- 115V ~ 6A, 60 Hz
- 230V ~ 3.5A, 50 Hz
- +3.3V , 35A
- +5V , 45A
- +12V , 18A
- -5V , 0.5A
- -12V , 0.8A
- +5Vsb , 2A

--> Regulatory Approvals:
- T-tick
- Femco
- CE
- TSM
- VDE
- CB
- EMI
- Demco
- OVE
- Nemco
- TUV
- FCC
- Semco

--> Retail Package Includes:
- Echo Star 550-watt gold ATX power supply
- Power cord

The thing is, I have a mix of the two powersupplys. They all look the same, except for different rails. I simply made a mistake and sent him the wrong one. If you are trying to steer people away from my thread because you think its a bad deal, please dont crap on my threads. Take it to PM.

[Whatsisname]

it's because we pulled the stats, as well as the description, straight off the site. Notice how that ** 1 ** psu found was the one we linked to!
Oh, no whatsis, they're nothing like it at all. Look, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I can read ok. You offered the psu with no model #, no pics (which would have avoided the problem completely, there's a lesson all right) listed its specs and linked to a psu on the distributer's website. I followed the link you provided. There's only ** 1 ** psu on that site meeting the description you gave. For that PSU, information and review links were provided. I read them. Your price for _that_ psu was a flat out great value.

Except that's not what it was. That makes your ad spectacularly misleading. The specs for the psu are printed on it's case, everyone knows that. They don't match what you listed. Are you telling me you never even looked at the thing you were selling? If that's an innocent mistake it's still an astounding one.

[Randy2]

The thing is, I have a mix of the two powersupplys. They all look the same, except for different rails. I simply made a mistake and sent him the wrong one. If you are trying to steer people away from my thread because you think its a bad deal, please dont crap on my threads. Take it to PM.

I didn't crap in your thread. I simply asked a question, and you answered it. It was regarding the weight of the PSU. Your 500W PSU weighs about 3lbs. That's about 2lb's light of an Antec 400W. If you do some simple math, your PSU's weigh a little over half of the major brand. I won't go into the technical reason why, but it makes a big difference.I see people buy these cheaper PSU's all the time, and when they blow, they usually take collective casualties (HDD's, Mobo's etc.), or they have endless issues. When you ask about the PSU, they always say, "It's a 500W PSU, it MUST have enough power!"

I'm not saying you are trying to rip anyone off. If they are foolish enough to buy one of those, I guess that's thier problem. But I see 500W PSU's for $50, and it seems like a scam. And if you figure in the quality of them, it kind of is.

[ruhk]

I didn't crap in your thread. I simply asked a question, and you answered it. It was regarding the weight of the PSU. Your 500W PSU weighs about 3lbs. That's about 2lb's light of an Antec 400W. If you do some simple math, your PSU's weigh a little over half of the major brand. I won't go into the technical reason why, but it makes a big difference.I see people buy these cheaper PSU's all the time, and when they blow, they usually take collective casualties (HDD's, Mobo's etc.), or they have endless issues. When you ask about the PSU, they always say, "It's a 500W PSU, it MUST have enough power!"

I'm not saying you are trying to rip anyone off. If they are foolish enough to buy one of those, I guess that's thier problem. But I see 500W PSU's for $50, and it seems like a scam. And if you figure in the quality of them, it kind of is.

Get out of this thread. Whether or not you think its a good deal is irrelevant.

[jackbauer]

yeah randy i think you are kinda getting of track. the thread was started about the issue of the buyer harrassing the seller over a mistake. you do have some good info, however i think that it would be better placed in a thread by itself in the power supply room.

[limecat]

I think the only way an acceptable resolution can come of this is for these rhuk and ickywu to have a good, old-fashioned Filipino slapfight! :p

[ickywu]

Take it to PM.

rotflmao

[ickywu]

I think the only way an acceptable resolution can come of this is for these rhuk and ickywu to have a good, old-fashioned Filipino slapfight! :p

nawww. I paid the worm back his refund. I have now bought that 350 watt psupply for his price. One of life's smaller rip-offs. There are lots of lessons here. I've dealt with so many top-drawer folks in these forums I've gotten lazy and too trusting. Looking hard at what's being sold can avoid lots of problems down the road. It's always the right thing to do.

I look at it kind of like a tax on being stupid.

[ruhk]

nawww. I paid the worm back his refund. I have now bought that 350 watt psupply for his price. One of life's smaller rip-offs. There are lots of lessons here. I've dealt with so many top-drawer folks in these forums I've gotten lazy and too trusting. Looking hard at what's being sold can avoid lots of problems down the road. It's always the right thing to do.

I look at it kind of like a tax on being stupid.

Let me make sure I get this right.

1) I send you the wrong product as an honest mistake.
2) You immediatly start making claims of me being "next thing to a troll"
3) I ask for proof of your claims.
4) You continue being belligerant and hostile towards me
5) You finally send me a pic, and I see that it was indeed my mistake.
6) I immediatly send you your money back.
7) This is not enough for you, admitting an honest mistake and sending you your refund is not enough. Name calling and flames continue.
8) You actually refund my refund so you can continue to claim I trolled/ripped you off

Where did I go wrong? Where did I lie? Is a mistake a lie? What could I have done better? What actions of mine justify bad heat?

[misan-thrope]

I personally think this should have died a long time ago.
First off, Ruhk, you really shouldn't have posted this unless he DID leave you bad heat, there was no real justification for it.
Ickywu, I can see no reason for you being this blatenly beligerant and abusive. He made an honest mistake, offered several methods of recompensation, and you refused all of them. I don't know about you, but people are not perfect, mistakes get made. If you can't handle that, then do not deal here. This is not a retail store, the people here have other lives outside of selling stuff here, and generally sell stuff here(the people who sell more along the lines of bulk) to actually help out others interested in the items held within, instead of going the ebay route.
Really, just let this die, or get it locked/deleted, because this bickering is going no where.

[jackbauer]

What could I have done better?


Nothing, the guy is just a jackass and has nothing else better to do than beat a dead horse and get attention on a internet forums...

[ruhk]

Perhaps there would have been better ways to deal with this than post the names, however this is really the first 'bad deal' ive had and I worry a lot about my online reputation. I wasnt sure if he was going to leave bad heat and I certantly didnt want people thinking I am a troll.

So I just posted the facts and hopefully people will see that I gave it my best and that I am still a reputable guy.

I guess im willing to drop this, so mods lock away if you like.

[ickywu]

Let me make sure I get this right.

1) I send you the wrong product as an honest mistake.
2) You immediatly start making claims of me being "next thing to a troll"
3) I ask for proof of your claims.
4) You continue being belligerant and hostile towards me
5) You finally send me a pic, and I see that it was indeed my mistake.
6) I immediatly send you your money back.
7) This is not enough for you, admitting an honest mistake and sending you your refund is not enough. Name calling and flames continue.
8) You actually refund my refund so you can continue to claim I trolled/ripped you off

Where did I go wrong? Where did I lie? Is a mistake a lie? What could I have done better? What actions of mine justify bad heat?

1. I do not believe it was an honest mistake. I believe it was a sale crafted to mislrad.
2. Right
3. I gave you the rails. That defined the error. Then you danced.
4. You asked if the linked psu was the one I got. Clearly it was not. If you had bothered to read my previous descsription of the rails on the one I got, the question was unnecessary. (IT HAD DIFFERENT RAILS) I told you there was no model number on the website link you gave me. Actually, this is the point where civility ended and I decided you were a worm.
5. Geez, I volunteered the pic and sent it before you asked for it. Tell me, ruhk, if it was an honest mistake, why did you not post pics on your sale thread?
6. THEN, you sent the money back. Sending it at step #3 would have been the right thing to do.
7. Actually it was enough for me. You then began to threaten me. That's when I knew you were like, a WORLD CLASS WORM.
8. Geez. NO! I refund your refund so that I get to stop the bullshit about how I owe a guy I think is a worm positive heat. Nobody OWES someone heat, ruhk. I guess you could construe my offer to take the partial refund as a deal to give + heat. I had to leave for a while, so I left that offer in place to try to wrap it up. If I had come back and seen "well, sorry I screwed you, here's the refund" we probably wouldn't be here. Instead, I got the dance and, later, the threats. That changed my mind about you BIG TIME. At that point, there was no way I would EVER give you + heat. I think you're a rip off creature Ruhk.

But, as you quoted _constantly_, there WAS a point in this conversation where I said I'd give you plus heat if you refunded the value down commesurate with what you sold me.

I don't know how to put it more clearly. I think you're a worm. I will never give you plus heat. I have no obligation to do so BY ANY STANDARD. I bought my freedom, Ruhk.

You Worm...

[misan-thrope]

You Worm...
That is completely and totally uncalled for, all you are doing now is destroying yourself.
D-R-O-P I-T Period

[ickywu]

That is completely and totally uncalled for, all you are doing now is destroying yourself.
D-R-O-P I-T Period

looking back, the one I liked the best was "AssHat" That is such a vivid image. I mean, how do you get your...

oh, well, never mind :D

[Muttsta]

ickywu, just from the way I am seeing you act now I would never trade with you
act your age, not your shoe size

[computerpro3]

ickywu, just from the way I am seeing you act now I would never trade with you
act your age, not your shoe size

what if he has big feet?

[jackbauer]

if all the funds has been refunded, wouldnt that mean that you would have to send the psu back??? from what i read you were refunded the total amount including the shipping.

[ruhk]

He refunded me the money I refunded him. I refunded him down to 25$ shipped but he refunded me back up to 45$ shipped

[jackbauer]

so everything is even then. if so can the mods close this thread cause ickywu is making a fool of himself.

[ickywu]

..........................

[Whatsisname]

also, ickywu, the reason we never posted pics in the beginning is because we do not own a digital camera.

the reason we wanted proof from you in the beginning is because you started off with a claim that we said there were detachable cables, which we clearly did not. We were as worried about getting shafted by a troll buyer as you were of a troll seller. Thats why we wanted to see the picture, to see if we indeed made the mistake, so we could work to correct it.

[UrbanFuturistic]

Ok, there Ruhk. I have refunded your refund, minus the paypal fees. I have now bought a good quality 350 watt power supply for the price of the 500 watt power supply you advertised. Presumably, you will now understand why you get no heat. I obviously don't think much of you Ruhk; I don't know why you wanted positive heat from me, anyway.

As to the rest of your questions:
-You are a worm because you threatened me, because you started all this AFTER we resolved the issue. (Or so I thought) And because you nagged and nagged and nagged about an issue as trivial as heat.
-You are a liar because you advertised one thing and sold (at least to me) another.
-I never called you a cheat
-I apologize for calling you a troll (I didn't really call you a troll, I said you were right next door.) Since you actually sent something, I don't think you meet the definition of a troll.

Moreover, I actually do apologize for cursing at you. As much as I dislike your actions and as offended as I was by your threats, there was no need for me to be crude.

You know, as a person who has been in a couple situations similar to this one(I have sent a couple people the wrong item a time or two) I have never recieved treatment like you gave this guy.

I dont see what your problem is/was. He was polite to you, he did everything he could have done, all he wanted was a picture of what he sent you so he could be sure he was sending the wrong items. Is that so hard? All you gave him in return was name calling and a hard time.

You dont necessarily have to leave positive heat to someone when they mess up. But you know what, if the situation was taken care of like he says it was within a matter of hours, you could at least have the common courtesy to leave a decent feedback of some sort.

You got your item, you got your refund. You also got your digs in on this guy all because of a simple mistake. You acted like a complete ass. What more do you want? Leave the guy a neutral feedback and be done with it. You are not the first person, nor the last, to ever be sent the wrong item. Get over it.

[topcat989]

ickywu, there is such a thing as an honest mistake :rolleyes: if the PMs posted are accurate then basically it looks like you came completely unfuckingglued right offf the bat. It looks like ruhk really wanted to try to take care of things, but you were too busy freaking out. just chill dude..........



and misanthorpes' right, this thread needs to die.......

[Lethal]

I guess im willing to drop this, so mods lock away if you like.
Gladly.