TIP for nOOb's and juveniles

[Mad Machinist]

Just a tip...after having several deals backed out of after supposedly making final agreement and in a couple of cases after buying a cashiers check.....If you list it here.....don't list in on ebay simultaneously.......and if you list it here make sure you ask mommy or daddy if you can sell it for sure BEFORE you make an agreement, and if you offer it for sale...make sure it is in your posession and not part of some three way trade you are working. I have had a substantial amount of my time wasted in the last couple of weeks that would not have occured had these simple rules that are basic honesty been followed. If I make a deal I honor it......I do what I say I will do....all you have to do is look at my heat. Rookies....think long and hard before you waste someone else's time......some of us work 60 to 80 hours a week and don't have much of it to waste.
Violating these rules dosen't build you a good reputation and eventually, if you let the same sorry ass behavior creep into your professional life....it will cause you serious problems as an adult.

End of Rant

[thujone]

two thumbs up...

also... don't call dibs. if you want something... send money for it. otherwise... just don't say anything. other deals will come to those who are patient.

[Ruckus]

/add

If you agree to sell it dont be a cock sucker and sell it off for $5 to someone else.

[Mad Machinist]

Amen

[merlin704]

Another thing to add, DONT CHANGE THE PRICE AFTER ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN AGREED UPON!!!!


I cant count how many times someone would be selling an item for a good price and then turn around and jack up the price just because they had more offers for it. :mad: :mad:

[Nemesis999]

two thumbs up...

also... don't call dibs. if you want something... send money for it. otherwise... just don't say anything. other deals will come to those who are patient.

What's wrong with calling dibs? If everyone simply sent money at the start then the seller might end up with several people buying.

Am I supposed to run outside and mail a money order and hope it arrives before someone paypal's them?

[thujone]

nah... i'm talkin about ppl who say "dibs" and then "gimme a day or so..." that shit drives me crazy.

calling dibs usually just means... maybe allow me to back out while everyone else waits.

that's why i mentioned it...

[Mad Machinist]

What's wrong with calling dibs? If everyone simply sent money at the start then the seller might end up with several people buying.

Am I supposed to run outside and mail a money order and hope it arrives before someone paypal's them?


No....but you can send an email if they posted the address....it's in the rules....and send a PM to the seller...as well as giving them a bump with the obligatory YHPM. I also Include my contact info to include home, work, and cell number as well as my shipping address(my office) and my alternate and primary email and my heatware ID with a link most of the time to show that I mean business. I also describe how I plan to pay and what the earliest date I am capable of sending the money as in Monday if I see the ad on a weekend and that I pay by USPS money order sent priority with delivery confirmation. In the past I haven't had a problem.....it's just since the forums came back and in every instance it has been someone registered in 2004......in otherwords...a nOOb.....my point is...be open and forth coming with everyone you deal with...It will go a long way in establishing you as a respected trader.

[JrCamacho]

Man I cant express enough how many times i've had all this stuff happen to me. I mean i have had deals go on where they sound like im getting the greater end, then all of the sudden they shut me down for someone else whos paying $5 more when we agreed on what we were going to do already. WTF is that? Bad seller's-ship IMO.

As for calling dibs, Im sure its alright, i mean i've called it before, but i actually bought it. I cant express how many times i have had people call dibs before me and sounds like they got the deal on lock, but then when find a deal for a lil more, the person who had the DIBS didnt want it anymore. This is what seriously pisses me off.

Also, rookies, dont be bitchy about sending first if you dont have heat, its just a safeguard for us so you dont scam us. I mean its as simple as that. Heatware is a wonderful thing.

[Mad Machinist]

Also, rookies, dont be bitchy about sending first if you dont have heat, its just a safeguard for us so you dont scam us. I mean its as simple as that. Heatware is a wonderful thing.

Yep...I remember being 1-0-0 and NOBODY would ship first.........Now I'm 54-0-0 and nOObs with NO heat..."don't want to get ripped again" expect me to ship first. If you get verifible contact info to start with........you won't get ripped off 999,999 times out of 1,000,000. Blindly sending money to a paypal address or shipping to a Post Office box is STUPID!!!!!!!!

[Chris_Morley]

Great thread! Will read again! A+++++++++++++++++

[jmattick]

think long and hard before you waste someone else's time......some of us work 60 to 80 hours a week and don't have much of it to waste.



Yeah, I have dealt with a few people like that, although, it was backwards. I sent them payment, they worked 60-80 hours a week, and it took them 2 weeks to send something that they promised they send out that day.

So, if you do work 60-80 hours a week, be sure to make time for the sale and to ship.

[Mad Machinist]

Sent payment for a purchase and a parcel out at lunch for deals made this weekend ........ate a hotdog in the truck on the way back to the shop..................bottom line...DO WHAT YOU SAY YOU WILL DO............and don't promise what you can't or won't deliver. Too bad they don't have a fourth category in heatware......for welched deals..... :D

[Verge]

another tip, if you have 4 posts, and you just joined the [h] this month... expect in no way for somebody to ship the stuff to you before payment...

[topcat989]

this thread deserves a sticky! :cool:

[sc0tty8]

And use email or the persons preferred method of comunication. I like email, a nice, easy to use way of communication, that, holds a log of what is going on.

Also, get a printer, and print out the email and send it with the items, this is a good way to keep track of things. I hate it when I just get a MO in an envelope w/o anything else, when I am selling numerous things.

One time, I accedently send a drive to oregon instead of florida cuz of this :eek:

[nightanole]

Also, get a printer, and print out the email and send it with the items, this is a good way to keep track of things. I hate it when I just get a MO in an envelope w/o anything else, :


Oh god i whish people would do this. Ok heres another one for the people that just send money orders with nothing else. SIGN THE DAM MONEY ORDERS!!! I can not count how many times ive gone to the bank and tryed to deposit a money order only to get the finger from the bank because the buyer did not sign the money order. So i gota either track them down if there local or send it back to them for them to sign, or risk jail time forging there sig.

[Locutus]

also if you have like 3 heat and someone [me]
with 110 heat aslks you to ship first and you say yes i will ship the next day
then i dont hear from you for 2 days and ask what is up and you say "i changed my mind"
i canT ship first i need the money first
YOU WASTED MY TIME
MY TIME IS VALUABLE AND YOU WASTED 2 DAYS WHILE I COULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING SOMEWHERE ELSE

You know who you are.
Rant over

[nightanole]

YOU WASTED MY TIME
MY TIME IS VALUABLE AND YOU WASTED 2 DAYS WHILE I COULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING SOMEWHERE ELSE

You know who you are.
Rant over


Why does this remind me of phone tech support?

[Elepsis]

Oh god i whish people would do this. Ok heres another one for the people that just send money orders with nothing else. SIGN THE DAM MONEY ORDERS!!! I can not count how many times ive gone to the bank and tryed to deposit a money order only to get the finger from the bank because the buyer did not sign the money order. So i gota either track them down if there local or send it back to them for them to sign, or risk jail time forging there sig.
What the hell? Postal money orders, at least, don't require a _signature_.

[nightanole]

even postal money orders need to be filled out. Other money orders (western union) need to have the buyers sig on it to show that the buyers agreas with the ula or what ever. Either way my bank wont take them un less it has the buyers name on it.

[topcat989]

another tip, if you have 4 posts, and you just joined the [h] this month... expect in no way for somebody to ship the stuff to you before payment...

heh, I'm dealing with that now. This is selling a case i want for my nephew, he just joined, and has less then for evals. I asked him to ship first, and goes "no, i never ship first. I'm getting more evals for a total of 4 soon, and everyone has to start sometime". well, i said i was willing to send first if he could give me more solid contact info, so I'll see how it goes :p

[MX2times]

my two cents...

Although I havent been here long, I have noticed noobs making alot of demands on selling/trading terms and most have the patience of smaller children:rolleyes:
Be warned...you try to haggle the already spectacular price you are getting from me I will NEVER work a deal with you!!!

[Mad Machinist]

Just thought this should come to the top again......lot of people need to read it....:D

[thunderstruck!]

nah... i'm talkin about ppl who say "dibs" and then "gimme a day or so..." that shit drives me crazy.

calling dibs usually just means... maybe allow me to back out while everyone else waits.

that's why i mentioned it...
yep, last one who called dibs on an item i was selling said he needed some time and later cut off all contact. I don't take "dibs" anymore, first one to pm me and is serious about it gets it.

EDIT: 2 years old? Damn, make this a sticky!

[crispyb]

What I always thought would be a good idea is to ask people with dibs to make a small deposit. Like 10% of the sale. Then this guarantees the product is theres. I just had a transaction right now where I asked a small deposit. For this case the person definitely wanted to buy it and paid in full.

He will be happy and I'm happy:D

[LadyMakoFox]

Heres one that lately has become a pet peeve of mine.

Don't agree to a deal all the way past giving shipping and money info then request that the seller ship first. If you want the seller to ship first, ASK THEM before going through all finalizations of the deal.

I've had to cancel a few offers due to people pulling this, its one thing to mention in at the start of the deal or after you get a few questions about the product answered if they are willing to ship first, but to go through all the motions and then spring it out of the blue and you have little to no heatware.


and

Just because I say OBO doesn't mean I have to like or accept your offer, so don't be offended if you are told "such amount" or "No thanks." Saying "Thats a rip off" or "I can get it cheaper elsewhere" isn't going to make me budge, it will just make me not want to conduct a deal with you at all.

Also

People who freak out immediately if the seller makes even the smallest mistake, I'm not talking about something that would make a 50$ difference but like at worst a 1-5$ if even that. People seem to forget that even sellers with good heatware can make mistake, contact them and let them know before sending messages that just make you out to be "annoying trader" (Not a bad trader but one who I wouldn't do business with one due to their behavior and treating of others.)

And finally

You can do make or break repeat business on how you ship things, I suggest within a timely manor and packed well to overkill on packing it for safety. If see that the seller has taken that little bit extra time on packing they have something I want to buy sometime in the future I will go to them. Even if it means spending just a hair extra over someone else just because I know they will ship it good.

[Kasparz]

Thats for sure, i as seller in local forums/craigslist are tired from buyers that back out after committing a deal.

[watertown28]

Also, rookies, dont be bitchy about sending first if you dont have heat, its just a safeguard for us so you dont scam us. I mean its as simple as that. Heatware is a wonderful thing.

I really disagree on this point about heat..heat means so little to me atm I dont care if you hav 200 heat or 5... I rather talk to you via PM ect to get a feel for your personality. If you are an ass I wont sell to you bottom line. I am in it for more then just a sale, but as contacts. If I like ya Ill ship first, outside of that money up front. Like it was said before somewhere, you dont walk into a store, grab an item off the shelf and take it hone to test before you pay.

[pumbertot]

also just keep in mind that having a low post count/heat and backing out of a deal doesnt make you a bad trader. ive had many with good heat etc back out for reasons and I myself have had to back out of deals for lgeit reasons that come to light shortly after agreeing a deal. thats life, sometimes shit happens. this carries forwards when you go into a store and buy something expensive then return it a week later because some bad shit happens and you're broke. some of us just do have bad luck, im one of them.:o

[nutxo]

two thumbs up...

also... don't call dibs. if you want something... send money for it. otherwise... just don't say anything. other deals will come to those who are patient.


Yep. Another boneheaded move is people that want to call dibs then haggle on price. I dotn accept dibs on anything anymore but it seems to me if you call dibs you already agree to pay the price.

[Mad Machinist]

I really disagree on this point about heat..heat means so little to me atm I dont care if you hav 200 heat or 5... I rather talk to you via PM ect to get a feel for your personality. If you are an ass I wont sell to you bottom line. I am in it for more then just a sale, but as contacts. If I like ya Ill ship first, outside of that money up front. Like it was said before somewhere, you dont walk into a store, grab an item off the shelf and take it hone to test before you pay.
Couldn't agree more.....but a store can't disguise its identity or refuse contact.....and I still contend a forum member with a couple of months since registration....and 2 heat evals should understand when some one that has been hanging around here for 6 or 7 years with well over 100 positive heat evals wants them to ship first. I've never had a problem with a trade but I have had several noobs take quite a while to ship after the deal was agreed on.....with parts showing up out of the blue after I forgot they were coming. Had I sent money first I would have been peeved.:D :D

[killster1]

why are you not more specific as to why you are crying? you work 80 hours a week but play around on msg boards?! impressive.. i love dibs and cant remember calling dibs and not buying the item.. i also enjoy haggling over lower price i mean come on lots of stuff is listed above retail so they can barter and make the person think its better deal(what i assume)..


my only gripe is people that don't pay attention who they are dealing with have you send payment and then say oh whoops i already sold it i thought you where same person "you both speak bad english" ah ok now i have to wait 5 days for a refund (this would be solved by DIBS! And posting when payment is sent or such..) Thanks alot seller.. why dont you tell us who you are so mad at? And btw Mad Machinist your heatware id in sig is WRONG!! hahah

[Mad Machinist]

Thanks for pointing the typo out.....it has been corrected......glad you found some joy in it:confused: ....I gather you get pleasure from others mistakes...and if you take the time to read the thread, I'm not crying.....I'm suggesting tools to protect both traders.....and I said nothing about "dibs". If you want an item....send a pm with your offer if price is different than posted or the phrase "I'll take it", and include your contact info, how you intend to pay, and shipping terms. I usually include a statement to the effect that I'll be happy to ship first to anyone with better heat, cross ship with equal, and ship the day of arrival to those with less. With all the info I include I'm amazed how many people still return with nothing more than a paypal address, anyone who will send money with nothing more than a paypal address with no verifiable contact info is asking to be scammed. Calling dibs accomplishes nothing.

The person recieving the PM has the option of accepting....and can return PM or call me....or refuse with a polite no thanks for your offer.

As far as a specific trader...I'm commenting on a trend that I see with noobs I see trading on this forum. If I have a problem with an individual I will address it with that individual by PM and not embarrass them in the open fourm. And just as I have the right to voice my opinion and have guidelines that I trade by.....so does everyone else. But established traders will as a rule ignore people that don't follow guidelines discussed in this thread.....none are rules...all just show common sense and consideration for the other trader. I don't think anyone I have traded with on this forum has ever had a problem with the way I conduct business.

[jordan12]

Thanks for pointing the typo out.....it has been corrected......glad you found some joy in it:confused: ....I gather you get pleasure from others mistakes...and if you take the time to read the thread, I'm not crying.....I'm suggesting tools to protect both traders.....and I said nothing about "dibs". If you want an item....send a pm with your offer if price is different than posted or the phrase "I'll take it", and include your contact info, how you intend to pay, and shipping terms. I usually include a statement to the effect that I'll be happy to ship first to anyone with better heat, cross ship with equal, and ship the day of arrival to those with less. With all the info I include I'm amazed how many people still return with nothing more than a paypal address, anyone who will send money with nothing more than a paypal address with no verifiable contact info is asking to be scammed. Calling dibs accomplishes nothing.

The person recieving the PM has the option of accepting....and can return PM or call me....or refuse with a polite no thanks for your offer.

As far as a specific trader...I'm commenting on a trend that I see with noobs I see trading on this forum. If I have a problem with an individual I will address it with that individual by PM and not embarrass them in the open fourm. And just as I have the right to voice my opinion and have guidelines that I trade by.....so does everyone else. But established traders will as a rule ignore people that don't follow guidelines discussed in this thread.....none are rules...all just show common sense and consideration for the other trader. I don't think anyone I have traded with on this forum has ever had a problem with the way I conduct business.

I have never bought anything, (i think), from Mad Machinist. But I gotta say that if I were to buy from anyone, it would be this guy. he speaks the truth. he makes sense. And as long as I have been here, and know how to conduct polite and courteous business on this board, he knows how to do it as well..

So listen well, and follow his advice. less chance of issues if you do..:D

[TeamStrykerCore]

What I always thought would be a good idea is to ask people with dibs to make a small deposit. Like 10% of the sale. Then this guarantees the product is theres. I just had a transaction right now where I asked a small deposit. For this case the person definitely wanted to buy it and paid in full.

He will be happy and I'm happy:D


That was me and know im the proud owner for 3 chipod's, 1 from crispyb.. is it here yet? jk jk!

[matrix563]

also if you have like 3 heat and someone [me]
with 110 heat aslks you to ship first and you say yes i will ship the next day
then i dont hear from you for 2 days and ask what is up and you say "i changed my mind"
i canT ship first i need the money first
YOU WASTED MY TIME
MY TIME IS VALUABLE AND YOU WASTED 2 DAYS WHILE I COULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING SOMEWHERE ELSE

You know who you are.
Rant over


lol HAHAAHA :D. i've had this happen before. sucks everytime. also, people with over 200 heat, well people's habits can change. i was shipped a dead audigy2zs cause the endpart was sticking out of a antistatic bag that was too small. at least the seller refunded me the cost :)

[Nettwerk]

Why doesnt this forum have the hand written note with forum name and picture of your stuff rule? It would cut down on the fast cash trolls.

ie:
FOR SALE:
60gb ps3
50 games
HDMI cable
8 controllers
$300 shipped!

[pumbertot]

Why doesnt this forum have the hand written note with forum name and picture of your stuff rule? It would cut down on the fast cash trolls.

ie:
FOR SALE:
60gb ps3
50 games
HDMI cable
8 controllers
$300 shipped!

agreed it does help a bit but scammers will still sometimes own the stuff yet no actually post it after payment so wont always work. many on ebay like this already.

[BrandonB]

I don't know if by "juveniles" you mean all kids in general or those who just don't know how to trade correctly, if it's the former I resent that remark, I'm 15, I've been buying and selling for many years on ebay and still have 100% feedback, I just recently started buying and selling on the [H]ardForum and I already have decent heat (in terms of numbers, 9 Positive 0 Neg 0 Neutral). There are some kids out there who are good sellers/buyers, albeit very few, still the generalization that all kids are terrible traders is wrong IMO.

However, I do agree with most things you have said.

[Spazilton]

I don't know if by "juveniles" you mean all kids in general or those who just don't know how to trade correctly, if it's the former I resent that remark, I'm 15, I've been buying and selling for many years on ebay and still have 100% feedback, I just recently started buying and selling on the [H]ardForum and I already have decent heat (in terms of numbers, 9 Positive 0 Neg 0 Neutral). There are some kids out there who are good sellers/buyers, albeit very few, still the generalization that all kids are terrible traders is wrong IMO.

However, I do agree with most things you have said.

Making remarks like that is not really making a comment about someone's age. Its their maturity level most of us are worried about.

Honestly I could care less if you are 10 or 50, as long as you conduct yourself as an adult, and do what is promised, thats fine by me.


It is nice to see that there are some young people that do have something called morals and ethics when it comes to trading. :D

[pumbertot]

Making remarks like that is not really making a comment about someone's age. Its their maturity level most of us are worried about.

Honestly I could care less if you are 10 or 50, as long as you conduct yourself as an adult, and do what is promised, thats fine by me.


It is nice to see that there are some young people that do have something called morals and ethics when it comes to trading. :D
yeah i dealt with a guy on XS that was 12. didnt know it at the time. it arrived quickly and was very well apckaged and actually overclocked to the level he said not the usual white-lies even some of the seasoned guys pull. just goes to show not all kids act like n00bs.
man how I wish I was 12 again,lol.

[jpangelo]

my two cents...

Although I havent been here long, I have noticed noobs making alot of demands on selling/trading terms and most have the patience of smaller children:rolleyes:
Be warned...you try to haggle the already spectacular price you are getting from me I will NEVER work a deal with you!!!

Amen. How many times have I walked away from a deal after offering a good price, they accept, and then right before the deal is closed, try to haggle $5.00 off it.

When I make an offer to sell, and as MX2 said, at a spectacular price, don't try for more. It will get you dropped.