Newsgroup question

[ryn]

Can your isp (the server you use for newsgroups) see what your downloading and uploading?

like if i wanna upload family photo's for a friend can my isp see or take them? thank you.

[Timb0]

Yep

[ryn]

serious? isint that like a breach of privacy? to watch what someone is downloading? weird. alright well thanx alot.

[defcom_1]

they can see everything you do. They're not allowed to look at it though, withough a court order. In theory, a high-level admin or somebody could go poking though what you're transferring, but I doubt that would happen.

If you're really concerned, set up a vpn. Then everything's encrypted.

[skritch]

Originally posted by defcom_1
they can see everything you do. They're not allowed to look at it though, withough a court order. In theory, a high-level admin or somebody could go poking though what you're transferring, but I doubt that would happen.

If you're really concerned, set up a vpn. Then everything's encrypted.

Actually, newsservers log things like user message access. So every message you read is logged in normal system logs. And admins are allowed to look at these in the normal course of their duties, just as they can see who you email, and from where you connect, and so on...it's necessary to keep the systems and applications running smoothly.

[mcryptic]

if you upload something to a newsgroups the whole world can download your photos.

you might want to rar up the photos and put a password on the volumes, and encrypt the filenames. Then do a binary post of the files

Although if the files are private i would just setup and ftp server on your computer and let your friend download off you over night. I'd recommend this since newsgroups are not very user friendly and they tend to corrupt files easy when you post binaries..

[Ice Czar]

there used to be a freeware program from Armanisoft (http://www.armanisoft.ch/webdesign/FrmDownloads.html) called Hidepix

"What is Hidepix
Hidepix is a tool for creating pictures in pictures. It adds a second encrypted picture to a normal visible picture. The new picture appears as normal as before, just its size is different. With the same tool the hidden picture can be displayed if you know the password.
Use it to send private pictures to friends by e-mail at work or to store pictures save and hidden on your harddisk. You can also use it to distribute highres photos on a CD-ROM with a thumbnail as camouflage. So your customers can buy the passwords for the selected pictures. You can camouflage several pictures in one action.

Hidepix uses a 32 bit single private key crypto algorithm. The encryption is safe enough for all private users and the additional stealth technology makes it even safer, because nowbody expects secret data."

it however has been withdrawn from their website
not unexpected considering the crackdown on encryption technology

[skritch]

Originally posted by Ice Czar
there used to be a freeware program from Armanisoft (http://www.armanisoft.ch/webdesign/FrmDownloads.html) called Hidepix

"What is Hidepix
Hidepix is a tool for creating pictures in pictures. It adds a second encrypted picture to a normal visible picture. The new picture appears as normal as before, just its size is different. With the same tool the hidden picture can be displayed if you know the password.
Use it to send private pictures to friends by e-mail at work or to store pictures save and hidden on your harddisk. You can also use it to distribute highres photos on a CD-ROM with a thumbnail as camouflage. So your customers can buy the passwords for the selected pictures. You can camouflage several pictures in one action.

Hidepix uses a 32 bit single private key crypto algorithm. The encryption is safe enough for all private users and the additional stealth technology makes it even safer, because nowbody expects secret data."

it however has been withdrawn from their website
not unexpected considering the crackdown on encryption technology

There's no "crackdown on encryption technology" of which I'm aware. If anything, there's a relaxing of the laws on encryption technology. Trust me; if there were a crackdown on encryption technology, several of my friends would be in prison. Many of their friends would be in prison. These people include the person who wrote one of the most famous pieces of encryption software, members of one of the most famous groups of crypto hobbiests, and one of the world's leading cryptographers.


The program you describe uses a procedure known as "Steganography". Google will find you dozens of freeware programs that do steg.

[Ice Czar]

seems my information is outdated
by several years :p
browsing through the Center for Democracy and Technology (http://www.cdt.org/legislation/105th/encryption/)
not only does it seem I was completely in error but most of the pending legislation seem promising

I thought there where provisions in the Patriot Act (http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism/PATRIOT/) but I was wrong :p

(and a good thing considering the legal land grab the patriot act represents)
when I went to find HidePix, it was only available "underground" and I guess adding those two together I jumped to the wrong conclusion

part of the problem with the internet is that there isnt a time stamp on alot of what you read

the other day I email an article to Steve (for the front page) that was 2 years old :p