What cable is better?

[ktwebb]

Correct. Cat6 won't make the slightest difference for a dsl connection.

[resident_freq]

Originally posted by ktwebb
Correct. Cat6 won't make the slightest difference for a dsl connection.

Lets expand on that. It won't make a difference betweeen the wall and the modem because the lines behind the wall are most likely Cat3. Chains and weak links kind of thing, eh?

[jeffmoss26]

It has nothing to do with the Cat 3 that's already there. There is nothing that Cat 6 can do to improve voice communications. Simply put, it will do nothing good. It will work fine, but it's not worth the cost of buying the expensive cable, jacks, etc.
Just stick with Cat 3 for voice.

[nameless_centurian]

i always thought that the number referred to the number of twists per inch..am i wrong?

[gigabyte1024]

Originally posted by nameless_centurian
i always thought that the number referred to the number of twists per inch..am i wrong?


The number DOES NOT refer to the twists. Although CAT6 does have more twists, the number refers to the type of cable and the specs it is capable of running. CAT6 is the first gigabit cable by spec. Although cat5e and some cat5 can run at gigabit speeds.

>Br@d

[Kelledin]

If you're running Ethernet cable through the walls, get the best rated cable you can reasonably afford. You want that cable to be future-proof, so you don't have to go pulling cable through walls again!

Generally the best you can get right now is Cat6. I've had some friends get their hands on "pre-release" Cat7 cable, but that's generally not for public consumption. Home Depot doesn't carry Cat6 spools (not here at least), but Grainger does.

If you're just plugging in patch cable, future-proofing's not such a big deal. Cat5e should do you fine up to Gigabit, and it's easy to replace later.

[tim_m]

'5e' twists per inch :p :)

[jeffmoss26]

Cat 7 is already available. Siemon makes jacks and plugs for it (it's shielded and screened, hard to work with and expensive.)

[Kelledin]

Originally posted by jeffmoss26
Cat 7 is already available. Siemon makes jacks and plugs for it (it's shielded and screened, hard to work with and expensive.)

True. That's really more of an "introductory" phase, though, and it's hell on backwards compatibility. Mere mortals generally just wait for the tech to trickle down to (relatively) cheap UTP.

Last I knew, there were feasibility studies going on WRT Cat7 over UTP (this was back in January). It's just "not there yet."

[DRJ1014]

cat 6 is good for running the dsl from the modem to your computer. we have done tests on it and we figured out that cat6 is good for dsl and cat 5 is good networking your dsl. with the cat6 your dsl will run faster and with the cat5 your network dsl will run a lot faster. if you choose to run cat 3 you should download cAtcAt3 for your network. this will make your network run like it is connected directly into the modem.

[jeffmoss26]

As I said before, Cat 6 will do NOTHING for voice transmission.
It is a major waste of your money to run Cat 6 for your phones.
All you need for voice or DSL is Cat 3.

[mobiux]

Originally posted by DRJ1014
cat 6 is good for running the dsl from the modem to your computer. we have done tests on it and we figured out that cat6 is good for dsl and cat 5 is good networking your dsl. with the cat6 your dsl will run faster and with the cat5 your network dsl will run a lot faster. if you choose to run cat 3 you should download cAtcAt3 for your network. this will make your network run like it is connected directly into the modem.

WTF is all of this now?
Download cAtcAt3?

I really doubt you know what you are talking about.

[foreignkid]

Just to save you the hassle...

For those that are gonna try to google it, cAtcAt3 brings up nothing but pictures of cats and north vietnam.

Link: http://www.google.com/search?q=cAtcAt3

[DRJ1014]

obviously u guys dont know how to run ocmputers. if u where smart u would know that u have to run in command promt inorder to do so u idiot. i do know what im talking abou. the cat6 runs better with dsl and its not a waist of money. the cat gives out more points and your dsl picks them up transmitts them and gives you 1/3 more speed. u want to use cat6 running from the MODEM to you COMPUTER not the phone line. use cat 5 for the phone line. when running cat6 for dsl u need to run cat5 to get better transmisions. i do know what im talking about we have tried all cat cables F''''

[Darthkim]

the cat gives out more points and your dsl picks them up transmitts them and gives you 1/3 more speed

What do you mean by points?

Can you also explain why cat6 would be better between the modem and the pc?

[DRJ1014]

well it picks up more of the connection. say in dial up, dial up picks up 1/5 of the connection comming from the modem. dsl pick up 5/8 of the connection. with thr cat6 and cat5 the conection is 7/8. it recieves more information from the server such as sbc verizon etc

[jeffmoss26]

The connection from the modem to the PC is only 10BaseT on most routers. So you can't get any more speed from the modem by using a faster cable, as far as I know. And what is this 1/5, 5/8. 7/8 of the connection stuff? I'm sorry, but that makes no sense to me.

[mobiux]

Originally posted by DRJ1014
well it picks up more of the connection. say in dial up, dial up picks up 1/5 of the connection comming from the modem. dsl pick up 5/8 of the connection. with thr cat6 and cat5 the conection is 7/8. it recieves more information from the server such as sbc verizon etc

It's painfully obvious that you have NO IDEA how anything related to networking works.

You do not realize that dsl uses exactly 2 wires of the cable, TWO, TWO OF THEM. So having cat5 running between the phone jack and modem will offer no improvement. Because it's only using 2 of them, TWO!!!!!

Remember the 2 wire thing. TWO!!!!.

Those 2 wires are the same on cat3. cat5, cat5e, cat6, etc.

So 100 Mb networking uses all 8 of the wires in the cable. So you need a cat5e cable.

But your 768Kb dsl line, needs only 2, TWO!!!!!

TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am pretty sure that you could run dsl from your phone jack to your modem with lamp cord and it would work just the same.

[PHUNBALL]

Originally posted by DRJ1014
well it picks up more of the connection. say in dial up, dial up picks up 1/5 of the connection comming from the modem. dsl pick up 5/8 of the connection. with thr cat6 and cat5 the conection is 7/8. it recieves more information from the server such as sbc verizon etc

WTF?? I have been doing networking, both on the WAN and LAN side for quite a few years and have no idea what this guy is talking about...

For God's sake, if I have a pipe(cable) capable of carrying data at speeds in excess of 1000Mbit connected to a box that is capable of only sending data at 10Mbit, which in turn is connected to a service(DSL) capable of only sending data at 1.5Mbit what the hell difference is the cable going to make if your bottleneck is the provider(ISP)? And don't get me started on theses "points" you are talking about because 1) There is no such thing and 2) that is absolutely rediculous!!!!!

[jeffmoss26]

mobiux-re:
"I am pretty sure that you could run dsl from your phone jack to your modem with lamp cord and it would work just the same."

I couldn't agree with you more. Someone told me you can run voice over barbed wire and it would work, same for DSL. You can probably run it over one pair of ANY kind of wire and it will work fine.

[animeguru]

Originally posted by jeffmoss26
Someone told me you can run voice over barbed wire and it would work, same for DSL.


Well, that would certainly keep people from messing around with your connection, though I wouldn't want to be the unlucky tech that has to make a house call!! :p

[Nate7311]

Originally posted by jeffmoss26
mobiux-re:
"I am pretty sure that you could run dsl from your phone jack to your modem with lamp cord and it would work just the same."

I couldn't agree with you more. Someone told me you can run voice over barbed wire and it would work, same for DSL. You can probably run it over one pair of ANY kind of wire and it will work fine.

Well I wouldn't quite go THAT far ;) But yeah Voice can run on anything, but given the MUCH higher freq and bandwidth that DSL runs on, it's prolly better to run it on a cable with noice rejection properties.

AND WTF IS DJ TALKING ABOUT?!?! I want some of what he's smoking ;)

(EDIT)Damn typo daemons

[jeffmoss26]

yeah, I would hate do do installs of that stuff. I thought the real old Cat5 cable was bad, this must be worse. Maybe the phone companies should run it on phone poles to keep squirrels from chewing through the cables.

[Darthkim]

Originally posted by DRJ1014
well it picks up more of the connection. say in dial up, dial up picks up 1/5 of the connection comming from the modem. dsl pick up 5/8 of the connection. with thr cat6 and cat5 the conection is 7/8. it recieves more information from the server such as sbc verizon etc

Well, i thought there was some credible evidence to this. But this explanation makes it moot.

Just like what i originally thought. crap.


Its like saying my t-1 will run faster from cisco 2600 to pc because i use certified cat 6 cable. heh.

[PHUNBALL]

I think the best analogy is the following... You currently have a 5 inch water pipe that you are sending 1 gallon of water per minute through, but for some reason decide to upgrade to a 10 inch water pipe flowing the same 1 gallon per minute, do you think your performance will increase? No, it will stay exactly the same because if you are nowhere near the max capacity of the 5 inch (lower standard) pipe the 10 inch (higher standard) pipe will give you no benefits at all....

[Leb_CRX]

Originally posted by mobiux
It's painfully obvious that you have NO IDEA how anything related to networking works.

You do not realize that dsl uses exactly 2 wires of the cable, TWO, TWO OF THEM. So having cat5 running between the phone jack and modem will offer no improvement. Because it's only using 2 of them, TWO!!!!!

Remember the 2 wire thing. TWO!!!!.

Those 2 wires are the same on cat3. cat5, cat5e, cat6, etc.

So 100 Mb networking uses all 8 of the wires in the cable. So you need a cat5e cable.

But your 768Kb dsl line, needs only 2, TWO!!!!!

TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am pretty sure that you could run dsl from your phone jack to your modem with lamp cord and it would work just the same.

you sure about that? cause I am pretty sure it's 4 for 10/100...
tx+, tx-
rx+, rx-

right? you got one to send, one to receive and the ground for both ;)

here's catcat3 ROFL I actually started laughing out loud when I find this pic and everyone at work looked me like I was crazy...maybe I am :confused:

http://www.cse.cuhk.edu.hk/~sfyeung/cat_photo/set2/medium_catcat3.jpg

[Leb_CRX]

Originally posted by DRJ1014
obviously u guys dont know how to run ocmputers. if u where smart u would know that u have to run in command promt inorder to do so u idiot. i do know what im talking abou. the cat6 runs better with dsl and its not a waist of money. the cat gives out more points and your dsl picks them up transmitts them and gives you 1/3 more speed. u want to use cat6 running from the MODEM to you COMPUTER not the phone line. use cat 5 for the phone line. when running cat6 for dsl u need to run cat5 to get better transmisions. i do know what im talking about we have tried all cat cables F''''

do us a favor

/yourself please :o

[BobSutan]

Originally posted by jeffmoss26
mobiux-re:
Someone told me you can run voice over barbed wire and it would work, same for DSL. You can probably run it over one pair of ANY kind of wire and it will work fine.

Been there, done that. In a pinch you can use pretty much any 1 pair conductor so long as you can terminate it properly.

[BobSutan]

Originally posted by mobiux
So 100 Mb networking uses all 8 of the wires in the cable. So you need a cat5e cable.

Actually its only 1000Mbit that uses all 8 pins (4 pair). 10BaseT and 100BaseT only uses 2 pair (4 pins).

[skritch]

Errr, wow. I just read through this thread.

Wow. That's pretty much all I can say (in the same tone as someone driving past a horrible car accident).

I'd rebut many of the things said here, but I have to be somewhere in 12 hours.

[mobiux]

Originally posted by BobSutan
Actually its only 1000Mbit that uses all 8 pins (4 pair). 10BaseT and 100BaseT only uses 2 pair (4 pins).

I stand corrected.

I was always under the impression that the other 4 reduced crosstalk, even in 100Mb. Maybe i was thinking of gigabit the whole time.

Well, point remains the same. ;)

[PHUNBALL]

Originally posted by skritch
Errr, wow. I just read through this thread.

Wow. That's pretty much all I can say (in the same tone as someone driving past a horrible car accident).

I'd rebut many of the things said here, but I have to be somewhere in 12 hours.

I have a bet going to see how much incorrect, off the wall information we can have in one thread...

[KaosDG]

Originally posted by PHUNBALL
I have a bet going to see how much incorrect, off the wall information we can have in one thread...

My mama says that alligators are ornery cuz they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
:)


As for the "running DSL over barbed wire" I bet it'd be possible, maybe a short run... but the exposed conductor would probably pick up everything, and it's mother too. not to mention local radio as well.

"Telephone" signals don't need all that extra protection (which is why quality generally sucks) Just look at any set of 66 blocks in a telephone room... pairs of wires everywhere. Sometimes neat, sometimes not... but it still works ok.