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okashira
02-11-2011, 06:41 PM
Samsung to release four new monitors next month:


Samsung adds to its SyncMaster line the new 7 series and 9 series 3D LCD monitors and HDTV/monitor combos. For monitor, the 7 series includes 23-inch S23A750, 27-inch S27A750 and the 9 series has the 23-inch S23A950 and 27-inch S27A950. There are also 23-inch T23A750, T23A950 and 27-inch T27A750, T27A950 HDTV/monitor models. The 9 Series features a slim, asymmetrical design that offers a clean, modern look while the 7 Series display sports Samsung’s signature Touch of Color design, which embeds colored accents in the bezel for a stylish, unique look.

All models are based on Samsung TN LCD panel and are equipped with Samsung’s 3D engine for displaying 3D images. They can automatically analyze and render 2D content in real-time to 3D, supporting not only PC content, but also content from Blu-ray players, gaming consoles and set-top boxes. The 7 series and 9 series feature 1920×1080 Full HD resolution, 1000:1 contrast ratio, 2ms response time and 170/160-degree viewing angle.

The 7 series offers HDMI and DisplayPort inputs and the 9 series adds DVI-Dual link. The HDTV/Monitor models (T23A750, T23A950, T27A750, T27A950) includes also USB 2.0, component input, composite input, Ethernet LAN port and built-in 7W speakers with Dolby Digital, SRS TheaterSound HD, DTS 2.0 and 3D sound support. Samsung will release these 3D enabled LCD monitors and HDTV/monitor combos in March 2011.


All four displays look glossy (good thing, IMO, YMMV).
The 950 series displays look particularly good for eyefinity with their displayport inputs and extremely thin bezel. If these displays have the anti-glare coating on par with their upper end LCD TV's, it's damn good (I love my LNT5271f)

Now, the questions to be answered, in order of importance:

Real 120Hz?
Input lag?
Price?

alamone
02-11-2011, 06:47 PM
If it's dual link DVI, then it's likely real 120hz. But if these are all TN screens, I fail to see anything to get excited about.

dowant120hz
02-11-2011, 09:17 PM
finally a monitor with ethernet so i can browse the internet on my tft
...wait
it doesn't even have wlan?

NCX
02-11-2011, 09:37 PM
Interested to see how these turn out. The only problem with the 2233rz was the default blue tinge, which could only be fixed by calibration.

Some more glossy alternatives would be nice.

okashira
02-14-2011, 11:13 PM
according to cnet (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20028659-1.html) both models have displayport input!

The 950 has a ambient sensor to auto turn off the monitor when you walk away from your desk. Nice.

Looking forward to these for samsung's awesome glossy anti-glare surface. More details from Cnet:

When I saw these monitors demoed at CES, one of the things that really impressed me was the apparent smoothness of the image when displaying HD movies. Although each monitor uses a TN panel, it includes Samsung's "Ultra Clear Panel" technology that, according to Samsung, "combines the vibrancy of a glossy display while maintaining the ease of viewing afforded by an antiglare matte finish."
Samsung's new monitors (photos)

As I said, the results I witnessed at CES were quite impressive and gave content running on the display a level of "pop" I'd not seen in other monitors running similar content.

As for power-saving, the monitors include an ambient light sensor as well as an Eco Motion sensor, which automatically turns the displays on or off if a person is within or has left the vicinity of the monitor. Somewhat creepy? Sure. Will it save energy? Probably a bit.

phide
02-14-2011, 11:43 PM
What's Samsung's bright/dead/stuck pixel policy these days?

okashira
03-01-2011, 10:29 PM
It's March and no info, NOTHING. No pricing, availability, specs, previews, reviews.

Anyone seen anything?

xxtraloud
03-02-2011, 12:27 AM
What's Samsung's bright/dead/stuck pixel policy these days?

i have the same question.

OP20
03-02-2011, 04:25 AM
I've been excited about these monitors coming out since i first started saw them on youtube.

From what i remember they are supposed to be made available at the end of March or sometime April.

I currently own a px2370 but look forward to upgrading for the 120hz refresh rate alone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUlJxmepFs&feature=relmfu

poj
03-02-2011, 06:48 AM
We have been waiting for almost 2 years now!

I WANT the 27" 120hz monitor already!!
Even the Acer HN274H isnt out yet... they had the driver since 2011-01-13 on their website
(http://www.support.acer.com/us/en/product/default.aspx?tab=1&modelId=3482)..

Why do we have to wait so much?!?:(
GO Pcmonitors, find out what you can please!!:)

atrance5
03-02-2011, 03:52 PM
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/11-03-02/22d.jpg


Looks nice.

okashira
03-02-2011, 06:27 PM
Looks nice.

Wrong thread? :confused:

atrance5
03-02-2011, 07:14 PM
^ 27" 120hz alternatives.

Sunny_Stefan
03-02-2011, 07:19 PM
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/11-03-02/22d.jpg


Looks nice.

The picture tells you almost nothing about the monitor.

okashira
03-02-2011, 07:23 PM
Well I had to grab the ACER 120Hz for $189.99 in the Hotdeals, so I am less interested in this monitor. However, Ill still be looking forward to it. Wondering how/if 120Hz works over displayport (we're still not even sure if it's real 120Hz!)

njsx2k
03-29-2011, 12:42 PM
Any news on release dates for these or anything else of 120Hz?

geminox
03-29-2011, 06:24 PM
What a tease, I thought your bump would have some added info on when this would be released.

Sigh, maybe we'll have to wait another year? :)

mightymn
03-29-2011, 07:23 PM
Here's a tease on Samsung's 120Hz monitors. The cheapest 27 inch version (S27A750) seems to be priced around 420 bucks in this Chineese site:
http://dealer.zol.com.cn/detail/1301/130031_269249.html
And the most expensive of the bunch (T27A950) is listed for around 700 euros in some German sites:
http://www.computerpool.de/artikel/SAMSUNG-SyncMaster-T27A950-6858cm-TFT_7310006957&partnerID=128

Release date should be close.

poj
03-30-2011, 10:21 AM
I can confirm that the T27A950 is avaliable in Hungary as well for 180 000huf (710 Euros)

http://www.argep.hu/main.asp?suche=T27A950&x=0&y=0

I want the S27A750 now!:)

MJGunn
03-30-2011, 10:59 AM
I'm confused, why exactly do these monitors have ethernet ports?

njsx2k
03-30-2011, 11:14 AM
I'm confused, why exactly do these monitors have ethernet ports?

Two product ranges; PC monitor's (without) and HDTV's (with).

poj
03-30-2011, 11:32 AM
The T27A950 is a monitor that can be used as a TV as well, it has a DTV tuner, Allshare (DLNA), Connectshare - USB 2.0, Anynet+ and 2D to 3D on-the-fly conversion.

RPGWiZaRD
03-30-2011, 02:11 PM
Hopefully some review sites gets their hands on any of these soon. I'm worried about the stand though, I rather pay for functionality than design...

Xeanor
03-30-2011, 02:56 PM
27" and 1920x1080.... that sucks ;/

popowrx
03-30-2011, 06:38 PM
27" and 1920x1080.... that sucks ;/

I actually don't have a problem with the resolution. I have an issue, however, with a 27inch TN monitor. When my Samsung 22inch TN already has terrible vertical viewing angles, I can only imagine what the extra real estate will make it become.

I just wish it was feasible to use Samsung's AMOLED technology on monitors, or any OLED tech for that matter.

DarkUltra
03-30-2011, 08:04 PM
Me too ^
tried a lg w2363d for a weekend and the vertical viewing angle made me strain my eyes when I tried to see what was on the top shelves in a dungeon (metro) in fallout 3. But the 120hz on the desktop and in quake 3 was very nice i probably will buy one end of this year. wonder how fast they can make ips crystals twist hmmm....

DarkUltra
03-30-2011, 08:07 PM
I actually don't have a problem with the resolution. I have an issue, however, with a 27inch TN monitor. When my Samsung 22inch TN already has terrible vertical viewing angles, I can only imagine what the extra real estate will make it become.

I just wish it was feasible to use Samsung's AMOLED technology on monitors, or any OLED tech for that matter.
You would want the super amoled plus, then. Their "regular" super AMOLED have a rgbg pixel format that makes the graphics blurry and banded.

justinope
04-01-2011, 02:05 PM
750: http://cgi.ebay.com/NWT-SAMSUNG-Syncmaster-27inch-LED-HDTV-Monitor-T27A750-/110666986152?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item19c44432a8#ht_5100wt_858

950: http://cgi.ebay.com/NWT-SAMSUNG-Syncmaster-27inch-LED-HDTV-Monitor-T27A950-/140528562696?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item20b827b208

not sure how reputable these people are but hey theyre sort of for sale? so excited to think they might be coming even sooner to US

eXces
04-01-2011, 04:18 PM
On some italian e-shop for 705 euros..available soon
http://www.hardwarepassion.it/24-Pollici-a61-0-Cma-e-Superiori_Samsung-T27A750-3D-TV-LED-H-D-S.1.38.364.gp.55441.-1.uw.aspx

NCX
04-10-2011, 03:48 PM
27A550 is out now in best buys. Very nice, their display unit had 0 bleed at full brightness, this is promising for a 27" edge lit display.

geminox
04-10-2011, 09:13 PM
Argh Best Buy, for some reason they list the refresh rate at 60hz, wonder if these are truly 120hz panels or not :(

DaFox
04-10-2011, 09:21 PM
Argh Best Buy, for some reason they list the refresh rate at 60hz, wonder if these are truly 120hz panels or not :(

They are not the monitors talked about in this thread.

Best Buy only has the new A550 & A350 series, not the A750 & A950.

Samsung 20" LED S20A350B (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+20%22+LED+Monitor+-+Black/2099033.p?id=1218309761891&skuId=2099033)

Samsung 21.5" LED S22A350H (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+SyncMaster+21.5%22+Widescreen+LED+Monitor/2363503.p?id=1218323019033&skuId=2363503)

Samsung 23" LED S23A550H (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+23%22+LED+Monitor+-+Black/2099042.p?id=1218309758454&skuId=2099042)

Samsung SyncMaster 24" LED T24A550 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+SyncMaster+24%22+Widescreen+LED+HD+Monitor/2363549.p?id=1218323019596&skuId=2363549)

Samsung 27" LED S27A550H (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+27%22+LED+Monitor+-+Black/2099051.p?id=1218309759233&skuId=2099051)

NCX
04-10-2011, 09:45 PM
Yeah the a550 is 60hz, I assume it will be using the same panel as the 120hz 750 so I picked one up for review.

In store at max brightness side by side with the PX2370 the led blue tint is barely even noticeable when using the 4:3 mode.

This is a good sign for edgelit led displays.

socK
04-11-2011, 03:02 AM
Are these things hitting stores sometime this century or what because I'm fucking tired of this decade old pile of horse shit dell that I've been using since my old monitor decided to croak... there is literally no monitor in existence that ghosts worse than this thing. It's awful.

Hope they are as rad as I hope they are going to be and ate a semi sane price. I have around $300 floating in reserve for the 23 incher.

NCX
04-11-2011, 03:15 AM
Keep dreaming, the 60hz A550 is 280$ and the cheapest 120hz 23+ panel is 350$ currently....

geminox
04-11-2011, 04:34 AM
Will sell you my VX2265wm for $150 shipped, else I'll create an FS thread :)

socK
04-11-2011, 06:08 AM
Keep dreaming, the 60hz A550 is 280$ and the cheapest 120hz 23+ panel is 350$ currently....

I can swing 350 but past that and the price premium starts becoming laughable for how stupid it is. If I can just get one of those 120hz viewsonic monitors for literally half the price then that will more than suffice.

edit: oh shit didn't even see the post above
pm sent

rmp459
04-11-2011, 03:41 PM
any year now...

ive been waiting for the 23A750 since we first heard about them.
Im thinking it will support VESA with the stock stand removed? or am I SOL ?

Vega
04-11-2011, 05:32 PM
These monitors look sweet and stylish. 27" 120hz with actual thin bezel. Supposedly hitting retail in May.

http://up.persian.be/out.php/i588_samsung-samsung-ta950.jpg

http://www.samsung.com/ua_ru/system/consumer/product/flagship/lt27a950exua/

jincuteguy
04-11-2011, 06:29 PM
what's with all these new 27" 120hz? Aren't 120hz is kinda old for monitor now? I see all the big TV like 46" - 55" with 240hz and 600hz, what's the difference?

astonish
04-11-2011, 06:38 PM
There is still no indication that these monitors actually support 120hz input via DVI-D or be compatible with Nvidia's 3D solutions. These seem to be branded as small LED HDTVs as 120hz monitors which sets me up to expect disappointment.

Feel free to correct me.

Vega
04-11-2011, 06:44 PM
what's with all these new 27" 120hz? Aren't 120hz is kinda old for monitor now? I see all the big TV like 46" - 55" with 240hz and 600hz, what's the difference?

There is a huge difference. These are true 120Hz monitors. All of those 240 to 1 bajillion Hz TV sets are only truly 60Hz.

There is still no indication that these monitors actually support 120hz input via DVI-D or be compatible with Nvidia's 3D solutions. These seem to be branded as small LED HDTVs as 120hz monitors which sets me up to expect disappointment.

Feel free to correct me.

I guess you didn't read the link I posted. ;) These 27" TN panels by Samsung, Asus and the already released Acer are true 120Hz 3D monitors.

jincuteguy
04-11-2011, 07:23 PM
Oh i see. Do you know anyone with a 120hz monitor like those OPtix from alienware and the Asus 120hz 23" one or the Acer 120hz 23". Is there a noticeable difference in using / playing games ? besides using it in 3D mode. Like do you see any differences in games or searching the web, watching videos at 120hz (not in 3D mode)?

Also, do you have to enable 3D mode in order to make the monitor run at 120hz? or you can just use it as 120hz without the 3D?

eddie500
04-11-2011, 08:00 PM
Anyone know the release date in the US for these things?

How will these compare to the current 3d ACER 27" monitor thats out now?

NCX
04-11-2011, 08:07 PM
There are no proper reviews for the 27" Acer or Samsung 27" panels, all we can do is speculate.

The 120hz Samsung does use an Ultra Clear Panel (glossy), so it will have the most vibrant colors (if it has good contrast/blacks) and clearest image, at the price of relfections. This doesn't mean it will have good color presets, contrast, or overdrive solution though.

Troub
04-12-2011, 12:20 AM
Whats the difference between the 2 750 and 950? They seem to have the same features just different looks? Iam confused lol. I would like to pick one primary for pc gaming in 3D just not sure which one to choose!

OP20
04-12-2011, 01:17 PM
Pretty sure the 9xx series has an hdtv tuner and extra stuff like that. They also have different structural designs.

mightymn
04-12-2011, 01:20 PM
The difference between 9 and 7 is the design. The difference between T and S is tuner and other TV stuff on the T series.

Troub
04-12-2011, 01:38 PM
Awesome thanks for the responses guys and now May cannot get here soon enough!

okashira
04-13-2011, 05:47 PM
The bezel on that 950 is insanely thin. Great for eyefinity.

I am super confused by their product site, though. http://www.samsung.com/ua_ru/system/consumer/product/flagship/lt27a950exua/

"Other advancements that set the Samsung HDTV Monitor TA950 apart from other monitors are the panel backlight, which activates only when the Shutter is closed. Thus optimising the 3D Experience and also saving on energy output."


"The Samsung HDTV monitor TA950 feature the Magic Angle Vertical to deliver a picture-perfect screen even when not viewed from directly in front. This means that you can watch your monitor sitting down, standing up or lying on the couch and still enjoy a great view. And with 20 different angle steps (10 up and 10 down) you will always have a choice to match your position. So, when watching with Magic Angle Vertical, which is even also specialised for HDTV, it feels like you’re always standing right in front of the screen… even if you aren’t."


Something about a backlight flicker when in 3D mode, and I have no idea what they are trying to describe in regards to the vertical viewing angle. It doesn't look like the monitor is tilt adjustable, yet they are implying there is some sort of setting to adjust the perception of the view angle??

Walker
04-13-2011, 06:43 PM
and I have no idea what they are trying to describe in regards to the vertical viewing angle. It doesn't look like the monitor is tilt adjustable, yet they are implying there is some sort of setting to adjust the perception of the view angle??

I know some Samsung TN monitors have "Magic Angle" which just makes the picture brighter and is basically useless since it doesn't solve the usual top vs bottom difference in colors. They do mention Magic Angle Vertical this this time so maybe there is some kind of color compensation built in although i doubt it. Probably just different steps of brightness or something.

Inu
04-13-2011, 07:26 PM
What a mysterious product, i hope this is a positive thing for gamers.

Inu
04-27-2011, 07:56 PM
Some interesting news here.

Samsung’s New 3D LCD Monitors Will Not Be 3D Vision Compatible, which i think we knew, but some new tidbits.
Still seems to be true 120hz native though, but the 23" without dual-link dvi...displayport can work with 120hz right?

http://3dvision-blog.com/samsungs-new-3d-lcd-monitors-will-not-be-3d-vision-compatible/

Vega
04-27-2011, 10:32 PM
DP can do 120Hz 1080P yes.

njsx2k
04-28-2011, 08:55 AM
Impatiently waiting for these to be released.

I'd hate to see these A750's/A950's receiving poor reviews, or ending up being too expensive.

I'm kinda worried about the A750 now. Will 120hz@2D through D-sub/VGA be a problem?

Inu
04-28-2011, 05:00 PM
Was wondering about that myself, i found this, but $105.99... wow

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/cables/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=330-5521

My card has HDMI / DVI / DVI (i think), so this may not be a worthwhile option for me.

Then i have to wonder about any input lag introduced through this method.

OP20
05-14-2011, 11:58 PM
Anyone find any information when these monitors are available for purchase? I thought it was supposed to be may!!!

wrxdrunkie
05-15-2011, 02:39 PM
I have been holding out on all other 3D/120hz monitors to get this one, mainly for 120hz.

I was reading a review someone in Korea wrote and I couldn't tell if the monitor has a DP.

check out part 1 of the review here.

http://viewit.kr/401

If you scroll down you can see where the reviewer took pictures of all the monitors connections.

blaze_itt
05-15-2011, 02:50 PM
doesn't look like it has displayport

Skillzero
05-15-2011, 05:34 PM
Anyone find any information when these monitors are available for purchase? I thought it was supposed to be may!!!

Same, all this waiting for tech is pissing me off.

Been waiting for a phone since Feb.

Waited forever for a laptop that didn't have SB issues.

Now I'm waiting on a freakin' display that doesn't even have a solid release date.

I don't even know the price, I wish I did because Koreans are selling them on Ebay for $900 or so with free expedited shipping. I'm half tempted just to buy there..

Vega
05-15-2011, 10:06 PM
I am really looking forward to the S27A950 for 120Hz 2D. Do not buy one of those from Ebay! They are all the T27A950 version which cannot do true 120Hz!

Skillzero
05-15-2011, 10:18 PM
I am really looking forward to the S27A950 for 120Hz 2D. Do not buy one of those from Ebay! They are all the T27A950 version which cannot do true 120Hz!

Some of them come with the 3D glasses in box, want to explain how they don't do "True 120hz" ? :p

OP20
05-15-2011, 11:03 PM
the T is for TV. Most 3d ready TVs only accept 60hz signals and will not let you set 120hz refresh rate from your computer. Pretty sure only 3d computer monitors will let you set the 2d refresh to 120hz for that silky smooth picture all of us dream about.

Just get the S version.

Skillzero
05-15-2011, 11:25 PM
the T is for TV. Most 3d ready TVs only accept 60hz signals and will not let you set 120hz refresh rate from your computer. Pretty sure only 3d computer monitors will let you set the 2d refresh to 120hz for that silky smooth picture all of us dream about.

Just get the S version.

That's odd, I'll have to investigate further.

I do believe they'll do 3D via PS3 and the like via HDMI 1.4, I was also looking to have some of the features the TV version has (minus the input lag, hopefully)

I think I'll just wait until the last few days of May. If Samsung still says nothing I'll order up.

Cyberbeing
05-16-2011, 12:37 AM
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2937/t27a950.png
T27A950 PDF Manual (http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201105/20110502210045218/BN46-00078B-Eng.pdf)

The optimum display resolution is 1920x1080@60Hz. The optimum Timing mode is a vertical resolution of 60 Hz.

If a vertical-frequency option exists on your display settings dialog box, the correct value is “60” or “60 Hz”.

1920x1080p @24Hz (Source signal format) -> 1920x2205p @24Hz (Standard HDMI 1.4 3D)
1280x720p @60Hz (Source signal format) -> 1820x1470p @60Hz (Standard HDMI 1.4 3D) <--- Typo in the manual, it should be 1280x1470p @60hz
1280x720p @50Hz (Source signal format) -> 1280x1470p @50Hz (Standard HDMI 1.4 3D)


The T27A950 will do 3D just fine, but it definitely doesn't accept any input greater than 1920x1080@60Hz. It doesn't even mention 120Hz in the entire manual.

senna89
05-16-2011, 04:52 AM
this high end monitor have glare panel, this is not a big defect ?

Morkai
05-16-2011, 05:02 AM
It's quite silly, the T-models are marketed as tv/monitor combos but are in reality just small really expensive TN TV:s. (The quality of the panel looks awesome though, far above any other TN i've seen, and actual LED back-lit with local dimming instead of edge-lit - same as samsungs top of the line tv:s. They have no inputs capable of 120hz at all.

There are only two possible reasons anyone would ever buy these T-models:
1. You live in a really really small room where you under no circumstance can fit a tv/monitor larger than 23 or 27" or fit a monitor AND a tv. (for the same price of the T27A950 you could buy a 22-24" 120hz monitor AND a 32" LED TV).

2. The 2d-3d conversion turns out to be awesome (which i doubt, since major movie studios take ages to convert 2d-3d and this is done in realtime), and in any case you could just get the monitor 950 version with actual 120hz and the same conversion. If you want to watch tv just connect a tv-box through hdmi or so?

On the other hand, the monitor versions seem awesome, S27/23A950D and S23/27A750D.
I'm getting one of these for sure, i've always wanted a 120hz monitor with back-lit LED ever since i first saw a TV with it - the current edge lit all have such bad blacks and at least a little backlight bleed. Judging from CES videos in high quality the blacks, viewing angles and picture quality are really good, my guess is that this is the screen for all of us who always wanted a 120hz IPS. (Samsung at CES said that this panel is a "proprietary, samsung only" "best possible TN panel").

Btw, does anyone happen to know if displayport adds more input lag than dl-dvi? (DP out on gf gtx 590, displayport in on the 750-series for example?)
What about the DRM crap built into the evil DP standard, does that add input lag somehow due to encoding the signal?

senna89
05-16-2011, 05:31 AM
this high end monitor have glare panel, this is not a big defect ?

what do u think about ?

Morkai
05-16-2011, 05:39 AM
what do u think about ?
It's a personal preference, noone can tell you if glossy or matte is best for you.

Generally though, if your display is in a dark room, glossy is best, if in a bright room perhaps even with sunlight leaking in, matte is best.

NCX
05-16-2011, 05:41 AM
The only reason a consumer would be the T series is because they are ignorant when it comes to LCDs, or like mentioned above can not fit anythong >27" (which will be extremely rare). For the price of these things one could get a decent 32" x-VA LCD or plasma.

Senna I really hope you don't make a new thread. Samsung uses what they call a "Ultra Clear Panel," which is the same as a Glossy panel. Use google and do some research before making another 1 question thread about a monitor you won't buy.

psylence1
05-16-2011, 10:25 AM
doesn't look like it has displayport

SA750 doesn't have a DVI port but has a displayport which is capable of 120hz natively, also has HDMI. SA950 series has DVI, displayport and HDMI.

http://www.samsungusanews.com/2011/01/samsung-incorporates-proprietary-3d-technology-in-2011-flagship-it-display-and-projector-lines/

psylence1
05-16-2011, 10:26 AM
what do u think about ?

The S27A750 monitor is designed with a TN panel and features Samsung’s Ultra Clear Panel technology, which combines a glossy display that maintains ease of viewing through an anti-glare matte finish.

Vega
05-16-2011, 10:45 AM
What is worrying me is that even though the S27A950 has DVI-D and DP, it won't run at true 120Hz input. If that is true, that would be epic failure on Samsung's part and I would have wasted a lot of time waiting for this monitor.

Waiting in anticipation on the news. The only other contender that I know about is the mythical 27" 120Hz that Asus never talks about releasing (besides the already released Acer).

Morkai
05-16-2011, 10:52 AM
The monitor versions will work with 120hz input according to the product page.
I have ordered one to be delivered in 4 days, so i can confirm it for sure by then (unless it gets delayed again).

wrxdrunkie
05-16-2011, 11:37 AM
The monitor versions will work with 120hz input according to the product page.
I have ordered one to be delivered in 4 days, so i can confirm it for sure by then (unless it gets delayed again).

Where did you order it?!?

Morkai
05-16-2011, 01:17 PM
Where did you order it?!?
At a swedish site, doubt they ship outside of scandinavia (http://www.dustinhome.se/pd_5010589666.aspx )

Most shops here have it listed as being released now/soon/in june. Here is a full list, perhaps some of these shops ship internationally:
http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=856956

Vega
05-16-2011, 01:53 PM
4800 SEK = about $750. That is worth it if this monitor is as good as I am hoping it will be. I just got an email from Asus stating that their 27" 120Hz will be released in June. I am looking forward more to the Samsung as its gorgeous! Morkai you must report back your finding as soon as you get this bad boy. ;)

Morkai
05-16-2011, 02:04 PM
4800 SEK = about $750. That is worth it if this monitor is as good as I am hoping it will be. I just got an email from Asus stating that their 27" 120Hz will be released in June. I am looking forward more to the Samsung as its gorgeous! Morkai you must report back your finding as soon as you get this bad boy. ;)
The 4800SEK is without tax, so add that as well. Here it's 25% on electronics, so i had to pay 6000SEK (around $950).

Inu
05-16-2011, 02:12 PM
What will back-lit monitors do for a TN panel exactly. Nullify backlight bleed, and improve the quality of dynamic contrast? Will it help viewing angles any?

Vega
05-16-2011, 02:21 PM
The 4800SEK is without tax, so add that as well. Here it's 25% on electronics, so i had to pay 6000SEK (around $950).

We generally do not have to pay tax on mail order items in the US. ;)

Morkai
05-16-2011, 02:28 PM
What will back-lit monitors do for a TN panel exactly. Nullify backlight bleed, and improve the quality of dynamic contrast? Will it help viewing angles any?

Yes, it (should) nullify backlight bleed and help dynamic contrast alot. I dont know about viewing angles but if you look at hi-res videos from CES 2011 you can see that these monitors have excellent viewing angles, black levels and generally great picture quality/colors (samsung claims 100% sRGB coverage). They also say that its not only their top-of-the-line 3d monitor, but the top 2d as well.

According to samsung its not just any TN panel, quoting the samsung representative at CES its a "proprietary, samsung only" "best possible" TN panel, and judging by the footage i agree.

Inu
05-16-2011, 02:42 PM
Well shoot, was gonna plop my money down on a plasma this weekend. Guess i'll wait some more heh.

Skillzero
05-16-2011, 03:19 PM
I just talked to one of my previous buyers on overclock.net (Who lives in Korea) and he says with the current exchange rates it costs $615 USD (Give or take 10ish)

I'm going to be having him ship it. That's a great price as long as shipping is under $100.

wrxdrunkie
05-16-2011, 05:09 PM
Yeah that is a really good price. Are they already selling the S23A950 and S27A950 series in Korea? I knew they were selling the T series...

OP20
05-16-2011, 05:14 PM
I'm reading some more speculation on release dates... Now I'm seeing June sometime. First they said March... then April... Then May for sure.... lol.

Ohhh... and anyone have any speculation on how much a S23A750 will cost? I would rather have the smaller guy :)

Morkai
05-16-2011, 05:23 PM
I'm reading some more speculation on release dates... Now I'm seeing June sometime. First they said March... then April... Then May for sure.... lol.

Ohhh... and anyone have any speculation on how much a S23A750 will cost? I would rather have the smaller guy :)

The pricing here is 6000SEK for the 27" 950 and 4000SEK for the 23" 750.

So roughly 2/3 of the S27A950D's price (maybe $500?)

Remember that the 750 doesn't have dl-dvi, only displayport and as far as i can tell there are no dl-dvi -->DP active adaptors, only vice versa (but perhaps they are 2-way, noone can confirm that though). So be careful with the 750-models unless your gfx card has DP-out.
There is a 23" 950 which has dl-dvi but its not being released here it seems.

Inu
05-16-2011, 06:20 PM
Only thing these monitors seem to be missing is a passive scanning backlight, not tru-motion but the thing that nullifies sample-and-hold without causing input lag.

Skillzero
05-16-2011, 07:14 PM
Yeah that is a really good price. Are they already selling the S23A950 and S27A950 series in Korea? I knew they were selling the T series...

I'll ask him - He's currently out getting measurements from an electronics shop to see what shipping will cost.

I would look myself but he seems to know all kinds of Korean electronic sites (think Newegg) and I unfortunately can't speak Korean, lol.

I specifically want the T-Series because I am interested in the component inputs.

Response time listed as 3ms for anyone wondering. Also to the guy who quoted me earlier saying the T27A950 doesn't support 3D...
http://www.samsung.com/sg/consumer/pc-peripherals-printer/monitor/led-monitor/LT27A950AA/XS/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail

Looks like it supports 3D via HDMI 1.4, which is exactly what I am looking for.

Morkai
05-16-2011, 07:38 PM
I'll ask him - He's currently out getting measurements from an electronics shop to see what shipping will cost.

I would look myself but he seems to know all kinds of Korean electronic sites (think Newegg) and I unfortunately can't speak Korean, lol.

I specifically want the T-Series because I am interested in the component inputs.

Response time listed as 3ms for anyone wondering. Also to the guy who quoted me earlier saying the T27A950 doesn't support 3D...
http://www.samsung.com/sg/consumer/pc-peripherals-printer/monitor/led-monitor/LT27A950AA/XS/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail

Looks like it supports 3D via HDMI 1.4, which is exactly what I am looking for.
It certainly supports 3d (most TV:s with hdmi 1.4 do), and it can also convert 2d-3d in realtime, but no idea if it looks good or not.

It does not have any 120hz input however, only 60hz inputs so i dont understand why you want it instead of say, a 32" or 40" LED TV with the same inputs for the same price? (just curious)

Skillzero
05-16-2011, 07:40 PM
It certainly supports 3d (most TV:s with hdmi 1.4 do), and it can also convert 2d-3d in realtime, but no idea if it looks good or not.

It does not have any 120hz input however, only 60hz inputs so i dont understand why you want it instead of say, a 32" or 40" LED TV with the same inputs for the same price? (just curious)

Input lag, actually replacing a television with it.

Morkai
05-16-2011, 07:56 PM
Input lag, actually replacing a television with it.

Ah, i see.. never knew anything about input lag on tv:s, they all have high values?
I guess the T-series has a use then after all, for console gamers.

Skillzero
05-16-2011, 07:59 PM
Ah, i see.. never knew anything about input lag on tv:s, they all have high values?
I guess the T-series has a use then after all, for console gamers.

Most of them have 20+ms of lag, My current television has tested versus my laptop's screen to have 30-50ms at all times no matter the connection or setting.

Planning on buying this one as I want a monitor the size of my TV (or close to it, I use a 32 inch)

It'll be used both for console and PC gaming.

I'm HOPING it's basically a monitor (in terms of quality and input lag) with all the features of a TV.

Morkai
05-16-2011, 08:08 PM
I hope you are right, i suspect its more like a tv though as it doesnt even have any monitor inputs.
Even some tvs have dvi-in.

psylence1
05-16-2011, 08:18 PM
Remember that the 750 doesn't have dl-dvi, only displayport and as far as i can tell there are no dl-dvi -->DP active adaptors, only vice versa (but perhaps they are 2-way, noone can confirm that though). So be careful with the 750-models unless your gfx card has DP-out.
There is a 23" 950 which has dl-dvi but its not being released here it seems.

Would that display port connect fine to a AMD 6990 "mini display port"? Was thinking I would have to buy an nvidia card for the 3d vision but now this is looking better I assume AMD cards would run fine on Samsungs 3d

Morkai
05-16-2011, 08:25 PM
Would that display port connect fine to a AMD 6990 "mini display port"? Was thinking I would have to buy an nvidia card for the 3d vision but now this is looking better I assume AMD cards would run fine on Samsungs 3d

Yes both those things should work fine. (mini DP is just a smaller contact for DP, same wiring etc).

Scott5000
05-16-2011, 08:30 PM
I hope you are right, i suspect its more like a tv though as it doesnt even have any monitor inputs.
Even some tvs have dvi-in.

Most new LED monitors do not have DVI in. Just use the HDMI out on your video card.

Morkai
05-16-2011, 08:38 PM
Most new LED monitors do not have DVI in. Just use the HDMI out on your video card.

That doesn't work, HDMI cant do 120hz in 1920x1080. All 120hz monitos have dl-dvi or DP.

ZoNe
05-16-2011, 09:08 PM
Yes, it (should) nullify backlight bleed and help dynamic contrast alot. I dont know about viewing angles but if you look at hi-res videos from CES 2011 you can see that these monitors have excellent viewing angles, black levels and generally great picture quality/colors (samsung claims 100% sRGB coverage). They also say that its not only their top-of-the-line 3d monitor, but the top 2d as well.

According to samsung its not just any TN panel, quoting the samsung representative at CES its a "proprietary, samsung only" "best possible" TN panel, and judging by the footage i agree.
hype hype hype!

Get it at a place with a good return policy is all I'm sayin, it's samsung notorious liars. I'll wait for a real review.

Morkai
05-17-2011, 07:23 PM
hype hype hype!

Get it at a place with a good return policy is all I'm sayin, it's samsung notorious liars. I'll wait for a real review.

We always have 14-day full refund here by law :) Ill post some pictures and impressions when i get it.

Edit: delayed until 9th of june :(

nhtalbot
05-23-2011, 07:56 PM
We always have 14-day full refund here by law :) Ill post some pictures and impressions when i get it.

Edit: delayed until 9th of june :(

9th of June! Bummer! Well I am sure it will be worth the wait. I have come soooo close to buying another monitor instead of waiting for this bad boy... It always seems to be just a few weeks away from being available -- ever since January. I pity the folks who bought into Samsung's anouncement of a similar 27inch 3D monitor last year. That turned out to be total vaporware. At least we know this one is real.

omniscence
05-24-2011, 03:39 AM
Most new LED monitors do not have DVI in. Just use the HDMI out on your video card.

Can we agree that 24 Hz not enough for most games? Because that is all that HDMI displays will give you in 3D mode at Full HD resolutions. To get 60 Hz you will have to reduce resolution to 720p, which will reduce image quality and introduce input lag by activating the display's scaler. Further, those displays only support 60 Hz in 2D mode instead of 120 Hz. After all HDMI was created to get a stripped down DVI for consumer devices with cheaper connectors and cables. And now it is choking to support the required bandwidths.

okashira
05-24-2011, 02:12 PM
Can we agree that 24 Hz not enough for most games? Because that is all that HDMI displays will give you in 3D mode at Full HD resolutions. To get 60 Hz you will have to reduce resolution to 720p, which will reduce image quality and introduce input lag by activating the display's scaler. Further, those displays only support 60 Hz in 2D mode instead of 120 Hz. After all HDMI was created to get a stripped down DVI for consumer devices with cheaper connectors and cables. And now it is choking to support the required bandwidths.

HDMI works just fine at 1920x1080x60p. If it's not working for you, there is something wrong with your setup. HDMI supports all the same bandwidth of single link DVI

Spooony
05-24-2011, 02:24 PM
Plus you get 2 Roy Orbinson battery specs free with any samsung display you buy.

1. Organization A states that a flow of 3 gallons per minute of oil will go down a tube

.
2. Company B builds a pipe to handle a flow of 3 gallons per minute


3. Organization A now decides that it will now send 5 gallons per minute down the tube.


Oops. Pipe has already been built, it just can't handle the additional oil flow.
That is what happened. New cables had to be made to handle more bandwidth, or existing ones had to be re-spec'd to state that they can't go as far with the higher speed signals.

Spooony
05-24-2011, 02:28 PM
Ah, i see.. never knew anything about input lag on tv:s, they all have high values?
I guess the T-series has a use then after all, for console gamers.

games themselves have a input lag 4x more than the LCD itself so they are blaming the wrong people. Lower fps more input lag. Total input lag gets blamed on a LCD. When input lag of 250ms 50ms belong to the screen the rest thank the games encoding for it. It differs from game to game. Yet we put all that blame on a LCD. Sigh*

okashira
05-24-2011, 03:58 PM
games themselves have a input lag 4x more than the LCD itself so they are blaming the wrong people. Lower fps more input lag. Total input lag gets blamed on a LCD. When input lag of 250ms 50ms belong to the screen the rest thank the games encoding for it. It differs from game to game. Yet we put all that blame on a LCD. Sigh*

Yes this is a huge problem with console games. Play the same game with a PC hooked to your HDTV and the lag will be much less. Thankfully, for MS and Sony, most people are complacent and used to it.

nhtalbot
05-25-2011, 03:28 PM
No sign yet of the S27A750 or S27A950 on Ebay. Even the T27A950's are drying up. Too bad they didn't make the T27A950 with dual-link DVI or Displayport -- good display got crippled beyond recovery.

okashira
05-25-2011, 06:12 PM
yeah, Samsung said these would be out in March. perhaps the real reason for the delay in getting oled to market is not the tech rather that Samsung tends to drag their ass. :p

Spooony
05-26-2011, 12:35 AM
Yes this is a huge problem with console games. Play the same game with a PC hooked to your HDTV and the lag will be much less. Thankfully, for MS and Sony, most people are complacent and used to it.

yet pc owners still complain about input lag. I just think they're full of shit personally.

IanM
05-26-2011, 04:14 AM
games themselves have a input lag 4x more than the LCD itself so they are blaming the wrong people. Lower fps more input lag. Total input lag gets blamed on a LCD. When input lag of 250ms 50ms belong to the screen the rest thank the games encoding for it. It differs from game to game. Yet we put all that blame on a LCD. Sigh*yet pc owners still complain about input lag. I just think they're full of shit personally.
So, you lack the observational skill to detect lag (doesn't mean you're abnormal) you have no grasp of the significance of the numbers, you ignore the history of analogue v. digital displays, kid yourself that once upon a time games had no inherent lag, that consoles and PC's somehow magically used to process everything instantly, and everyone else is full of shit?

You obviously don't have a full understanding of the issues, so perhaps you should stay out of the discussion of the topic and quit insulting people who do have a problem with input lag. FYI the issue with digital display lag is much wider than just games e.g. sports broadcasters have had to make significant changes due to this problem, like reposition many of the cameras at tennis stadiums because the digital monitors can't keep up with the action.

eddie500
05-26-2011, 10:37 AM
I agree, I think people definitely are more sensitive to lag than others. When V-Sync is enabled, it adds so much mouse lag that it ruins the gaming experience. Yet, other people keep it on and can not even notice much difference.

sadbuttrue
05-26-2011, 11:46 AM
When input lag of 250ms 50ms belong to the screen the rest thank the games encoding for it. It differs from game to game. Yet we put all that blame on a LCD. Sigh*

200ms of game input lag = 5fps. I think someone needs to upgrade their PC.

DaFox
05-26-2011, 09:35 PM
I agree, I think people definitely are more sensitive to lag than others. When V-Sync is enabled, it adds so much mouse lag that it ruins the gaming experience. Yet, other people keep it on and can not even notice much difference.

I would rather not play games than play with V-Sync enabled. :(

dowant120hz
05-27-2011, 08:38 AM
vsync isn't that bad
you just need to disable triple buffering and have a fast enough computer to constantly be above the fps cap
i usually use it with 75hz tfts that have no input lag on their own

Inu
06-24-2011, 05:20 PM
Any info on S23A950, think its more of a mainstream possibility for 120hz 2D interest. The 27" would be too big and costly for me.

eXces
06-27-2011, 06:31 AM
S27A950 review (in russian):
http://www.fcenter.ru/online.shtml?a...monitors/31220

Inu
06-27-2011, 06:59 PM
Link totally broken

mesh
09-14-2011, 11:34 AM
Hmmm tigerdirect?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=982703


Edit: Wow I didnt realize so many etailers (amazon, newegg) already have this in stock. Very, very tempted. Sadly no review on either site.

mesh
09-14-2011, 11:50 AM
No VESA capability Fuck me!!!! God damnit, shit, ++++, fuck! Id rather have a thicker screen but have it mountable.

DaFox
09-14-2011, 02:58 PM
No VESA capability Fuck me!!!! God damnit, shit, ++++, fuck! Id rather have a thicker screen but have it mountable.

Yeah it really is quite a shame.

Evi1d33d
09-14-2011, 04:23 PM
No VESA capability Fuck me!!!! God damnit, shit, ++++, fuck! Id rather have a thicker screen but have it mountable.

Duct tape.

MiLk
09-14-2011, 05:08 PM
how does the S27A950 compare up against the Dell U2711?

dek8
09-14-2011, 08:56 PM
Plus you get 2 Roy Orbinson battery specs free with any samsung display you buy.

1. Organization A states that a flow of 3 gallons per minute of oil will go down a tube

.
2. Company B builds a pipe to handle a flow of 3 gallons per minute


3. Organization A now decides that it will now send 5 gallons per minute down the tube.


Oops. Pipe has already been built, it just can't handle the additional oil flow.
That is what happened. New cables had to be made to handle more bandwidth, or existing ones had to be re-spec'd to state that they can't go as far with the higher speed signals.



actually spoony, the whole upgrade path, pc's and displays and interconnects and the whole world upgrade in electronics is a clever thought out marekting strategy to make the customer spend money annualy on upgrades. i dont remember the marketing name... its under profit. thats how it works. and 90% of the customers actually think this tft technology is great, everyone has bought into it, every year u see some improvements in it and its never going to end. just get a crt tube and be done with it, all this tech is junk to start with, they throw in some intelligent names and fool the customers thinking they will be happy with it, its marketing, all bs. we could have had 120hz 15 years ago.

whats up with oled anyway? they not gonna release it cause it would make all the lcd panels obsolete? and they are going to milk the customers for as much as they can until they see profit in that as well?

how come we ran 2048x1536@90hz on crt monitors through VGA back in the 80's? They werent able to design a cable to carry the bandwidth digitally to start with? think again. there are no oops. its math.


the earth pole is melting! send me your money! save the planet!

sippm
09-22-2011, 09:38 AM
So, I got the S23A750. I assume basically all the panels are similar. Anyone have settings they found to be particularly good? Of course my came in full retina torch mode and I've been tweaking it, but wondering if anyone has reasonably "calibrated" setting to start out with.

So far I enjoy the monitor for what it is (120hz TN 2D). Very smooth and silky and I like glossy displays; nice change in that regard from all the sparkle eips panels I have had in the past. Only complaint is the natural vertical angle color shift which is inevitable. Otherwise I think its the best and most aesthetic 120hz gaming TN out there. I was previously running a 17" Envy 3D 120hz notebook but it was running out of graphics steam and I new I had to go back to desktop.

odditory
10-24-2011, 04:59 PM
actually spoony, the whole upgrade path, pc's and displays and interconnects and the whole world upgrade in electronics is a clever thought out marekting strategy to make the customer spend money annualy on upgrades. i dont remember the marketing name... its under profit. thats how it works. and 90% of the customers actually think this tft technology is great, everyone has bought into it, every year u see some improvements in it and its never going to end. just get a crt tube and be done with it, all this tech is junk to start with, they throw in some intelligent names and fool the customers thinking they will be happy with it, its marketing, all bs. we could have had 120hz 15 years ago.

whats up with oled anyway? they not gonna release it cause it would make all the lcd panels obsolete? and they are going to milk the customers for as much as they can until they see profit in that as well?

how come we ran 2048x1536@90hz on crt monitors through VGA back in the 80's? They werent able to design a cable to carry the bandwidth digitally to start with? think again. there are no oops. its math.


the earth pole is melting! send me your money! save the planet!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Tin_foil_hat_2.png

General Lee
10-24-2011, 07:45 PM
So, I got the S23A750. I assume basically all the panels are similar. Anyone have settings they found to be particularly good? Of course my came in full retina torch mode and I've been tweaking it, but wondering if anyone has reasonably "calibrated" setting to start out with.

So far I enjoy the monitor for what it is (120hz TN 2D). Very smooth and silky and I like glossy displays; nice change in that regard from all the sparkle eips panels I have had in the past. Only complaint is the natural vertical angle color shift which is inevitable. Otherwise I think its the best and most aesthetic 120hz gaming TN out there. I was previously running a 17" Envy 3D 120hz notebook but it was running out of graphics steam and I new I had to go back to desktop.

This review (http://www.pcmonitors.org/monitor-reviews/samsung-s27a750d) has calibrated settings for the 27" model. It shouldn't be all that different compared to the 23" model, so take it for a spin if you wish. In any case monitors are individuals, and the ambient lighting is a factor too.

I just ordered mine last friday, hopefully I'll get this week. :)