PS3 system restore? [Archive]

Technoob

12-20-2008, 08:32 PM

ebay refurb ?

yup, 60 gig model, trying to fix this issue with a full system restore:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3updates&thread.id=37861&view=by_date_ascending&page=7

The unit works great, when the blu rays actually work. Ps2, dvd, everything works just fine, but put in a blu ray movie or game and it takes sometimes 15 pop the disc in/outs, sometimes more, to get it to read. The little bubble appears in the top right corner, then nothing usually. Once it gets recognized though, it'll play for hours with no problems.

Kinda frustrating :(

silent-circuit

12-20-2008, 08:39 PM

Just... wait. It'll get there. Maybe. Tomorrow.

Technoob

12-20-2008, 08:41 PM

Just... wait. It'll get there. Maybe. Tomorrow.

17% so far after 2 hours. 12 hours estimated to be left....geezuz this is taking forever. How long does it take to format a goddam drive?

rflcptr

12-21-2008, 12:09 AM

17% so far after 2 hours. 12 hours estimated to be left....geezuz this is taking forever. How long does it take to format a goddam drive?
Did you have an option of a quick format?

skgarach

12-21-2008, 12:28 AM

Everyone, please look at the number of people with this problem. You're not the only one, that referenced thread has atleast 30 pages so far.

I experience the same problem on the second day I received my ps3 (the day it did the v2.53 update).

(i bought a mgs4 bundle from amazon on december 5th and received it december 8th). Any ideas how to get more media attention to this?

Mac[X-D]

12-21-2008, 08:38 AM

so by ebay refurb does that mean it was broken and Sony fixed it? and someone sold it to you? or a third party fixed it?

because it way be that it is still broken, well it is broken because it sounds as though the blu ray drive is not reading disks and from what read before i bought my PS3 if you were going to experince problems with your PS3 disk read errors were what most people ran in to. and the system restore maybe taking so long because there maybe other problems. have you tried calling Sony? i am going to guess you you don't have any warranty but it might be your only option.

Skgarach

if the media didn't jump on the RROD issue for the 360 why would they care about this, because i would suspect that a lot more people have installed the update without issue then have installed it and then had issues.

if you install new drivers on your PC and it corrupts the system for whatever reason does that mean a law suit should be brought? sometimes shit happens its just the way life goes it sucks balls when it does but it sounds as though you still have warranty on your PS3 so i am sure Sony would be happy to fix it if you are having problems.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 11:14 AM

;1033482535']so by ebay refurb does that mean it was broken and Sony fixed it? and someone sold it to you? or a third party fixed it?

because it way be that it is still broken, well it is broken because it sounds as though the blu ray drive is not reading disks and from what read before i bought my PS3 if you were going to experince problems with your PS3 disk read errors were what most people ran in to. and the system restore maybe taking so long because there maybe other problems. have you tried calling Sony? i am going to guess you you don't have any warranty but it might be your only option.

Skgarach

if the media didn't jump on the RROD issue for the 360 why would they care about this, because i would suspect that a lot more people have installed the update without issue then have installed it and then had issues.

if you install new drivers on your PC and it corrupts the system for whatever reason does that mean a law suit should be brought? sometimes shit happens its just the way life goes it sucks balls when it does but it sounds as though you still have warranty on your PS3 so i am sure Sony would be happy to fix it if you are having problems.

By ebay refurb I mean I bought it "as is" on ebay for 100 bucks. The ad said video doesn't work, which it does just fine after a hard reset. Then after updating firmware it stopped recognizing discs.

The problem was never a broken blu ray drive, because the drive works just fine. I've played games for hours, like LPB, uncharted, and others after doing this update. The problem is recognition by the machine that a disc is in in the first place.

Often it will take 20-30 tries to get it to recognize that I inserted a disc. Once it does though, the blu ray drive works like a champ.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 11:33 AM

Update: Hell yeah. I dunno what the hell it was doing, but whatever it did for those 14 hours appears to have fixed the issue. I've tried 5 times now and the ps3 recognizes the blu ray every time I put it in.

Victory.

Mac[X-D]

12-21-2008, 11:53 AM

Tigerblade

12-21-2008, 01:24 PM

I had a 90Gb restore that took 4 hours. Unless you've filled the 250Gb there is something not right there but at least it fixed it :D

Unless it was a full format?

skgarach

12-21-2008, 02:23 PM

;1033482535']so by ebay refurb does that mean it was broken and
Skgarach

if the media didn't jump on the RROD issue for the 360 why would they care about this, because i would suspect that a lot more people have installed the update without issue then have installed it and then had issues.

if you install new drivers on your PC and it corrupts the system for whatever reason does that mean a law suit should be brought? sometimes shit happens its just the way life goes it sucks balls when it does but it sounds as though you still have warranty on your PS3 so i am sure Sony would be happy to fix it if you are having problems.

The 360 and it's RROD did receive enough attention for MS to finally extend the warranty to 3 years.

And if you do install drivers (created by and endorsed by the manufacturer) that corrupt your system, the manufacturer should own up to the problem. I made no mention of a lawsuit, just that Sony help it's customers that are out of warranty and who applied their update. In all seriousness, I'm glad i'm under warranty and was able to send my system in, I just hope something like this doesn't happen to me a year or two down the road.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 02:35 PM

I had a 90Gb restore that took 4 hours. Unless you've filled the 250Gb there is something not right there but at least it fixed it :D

Unless it was a full format?

I dunno. It was the full system restore that you select from the system menu in xmb. I probably had 100 gigs worth of demos, installs, videos, etc on it.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 02:37 PM

The 360 and it's RROD did receive enough attention for MS to finally extend the warranty to 3 years.

And if you do install drivers (created by and endorsed by the manufacturer) that corrupt your system, the manufacturer should own up to the problem. I made no mention of a lawsuit, just that Sony help it's customers that are out of warranty and who applied their update. In all seriousness, I'm glad i'm under warranty and was able to send my system in, I just hope something like this doesn't happen to me a year or two down the road.

Yeah, unless it's 100% necessary, I won't be updating anymore until it's confirmed that people aren't having these issues.

PS3 is nice hardware, but these 60 giggers (and some 80 giggers) seem to have problems with the firmware that's designed for the newer models. Trying to release software for 4-5 different hardware configs seems to be causing lots of problems for older models.

I'll be checking the forums for a few weeks before I update next time.

alg7_munif

12-21-2008, 03:21 PM

Yeah, unless it's 100% necessary, I won't be updating anymore until it's confirmed that people aren't having these issues.

PS3 is nice hardware, but these 60 giggers (and some 80 giggers) seem to have problems with the firmware that's designed for the newer models. Trying to release software for 4-5 different hardware configs seems to be causing lots of problems for older models.

I'll be checking the forums for a few weeks before I update next time.

BS, my 60GB PS3 never had any problem with any update. Bad luck on your part, yes, but making a general statement like that is just BS.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 04:24 PM

BS, my 60GB PS3 never had any problem with any update. Bad luck on your part, yes, but making a general statement like that is just BS.

Sigh, read the post on the ps forums about 60 gig models that's now 30+ pages long. I guess they're all full of shit too?

You're as useless as the fools who get on the xbox forums and say "rrod is your fault it never happened to me lol noob". Bugs and failures don't happen at a 100% rate. Just because you are lucky doesn't mean everyone is, stop shitting on the people who've had legitimate issues.

alg7_munif

12-21-2008, 04:56 PM

Technoob

12-21-2008, 05:21 PM

A lot more people with 60GB/80GB PS3 are not having any problem with the updates than people with problems. 30 pages on the PS forum is not as bad as 30 pages of RROD in almost every forum related to the XBox360.

Really? Less people have problems than don't? That's brilliant sherlock! Read me anywhere where anyone said different? Should have realized coming from you you'd rather just troll this thread with your fanboy shit. There's a few trolls like you in that thread, and I'll just point out the same thing to you that was pointed out to them: Your lack of problems doesn't make actual problems cease to exist. Now piss off and enjoy your functioning ps3.

alg7_munif

12-21-2008, 05:30 PM

The problem does exist but your statement saying that 60GB/80GB PS3s have problems with the newer firmwares because the firmwares are for newer model is totally BS. I'm sure that there are also people with the same problems on their 40GB PS3 as well. Stop spreading FUD and BS, please.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 05:57 PM

alg7_munif

12-21-2008, 05:59 PM

Lol, instead of backing up your BS statement with facts, you opted for personal attacks.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 06:04 PM

Lol, instead of backing up your BS statement with facts, you opted for personal attacks instead.

I've presented empirical evidence about my claims, pointed to others with the same problem, and experienced it myself. All you've had is "well it didn't happen to me so it must not be true." After hearing that from you this many times, what more do you want me to say? You have zero response to explain the issue, other than deny, blame, and talk shit.

All of which tracks extremely well with your post history when it relates to anything sony. That'll be enough now from you. Trying to discuss this with you is like trying to talk to the 12 year old xbox fan who blames the victim for rrod too.

To anyone having this issue, try the full system restore. It takes a while but it's worth it.

alg7_munif

12-21-2008, 06:21 PM

I guess that you better read your empirical evidence again, so far I've read the thread up to page 5 and only THREE people are reporting problems and the thread is already 5 PAGES long. They are: jklein, macstabber61, and T-CELL.

Edit: After further reading, I found a few more people with different problems on their PS3 after the firmware update (disc read error, networking error and etc.). It is not like every post in the "30 pages thread" is reporting a problem with the update, it is just like a couple of posts for every page. The most interesting part is, on page 11 and 12, there are already two posters reporting problems on their 40GB PS3. :o I don't think that I need to waste my time anymore.

veritas7

12-21-2008, 06:48 PM

Tylerdurdened

12-21-2008, 07:21 PM

So I don't understand, you get a broken PS3 from ebay and complain about the build quality of Sony and PROBLEMS you are having... with an already broken PS3?

Dallows

12-21-2008, 07:25 PM

Yeah, unless it's 100% necessary, I won't be updating anymore until it's confirmed that people aren't having these issues.

PS3 is nice hardware, but these 60 giggers (and some 80 giggers) seem to have problems with the firmware that's designed for the newer models. Trying to release software for 4-5 different hardware configs seems to be causing lots of problems for older models.

I'll be checking the forums for a few weeks before I update next time.

There's nothing wrong with being hesitant on installing new firmware but the bolded part right there is probably one of the dumber things I've heard.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 07:47 PM

So I don't understand, you get a broken PS3 from ebay and complain about the build quality of Sony and PROBLEMS you are having... with an already broken PS3?

Try reading again. And I never mentioned Sony's build quality once.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 07:49 PM

There's nothing wrong with being hesitant on installing new firmware but the bolded part right there is probably one of the dumber things I've heard.

Really? It's really stupid to think that of the three (that we know of--and not skus, we're talking hardware revisions) different hardware configurations on the ps3, that firmware might have small issues across the different hardware revisions?

ok....

Technoob

12-21-2008, 07:53 PM

I have a 60 GB PS3 from launch.

Works perfectly fine with latest firmware, I avidly watch the latest (profile) Blu-Rays on it, play my PS3/PS2 games, and download games from PSN.

I've never encountered any problems with it. Works like a charm so far.

Edit: And watch movies/tv/etc from external HDD and have my computer storage networked also via TVersity. Works great for my music to play through my surround setup (too hassled to buy a new soundcard/setup the surround with my PC).

I do all these things too, and very happy with it. All that this thread is about is a blu ray issue that arose from a firmware update. You'd think from all these responses that I was shitting all over the ps3 and calling it a horrible piece of crap. The responses say more about the people responding than they do about me very obviously.

Dallows

12-21-2008, 08:00 PM

Really? It's really stupid to think that of the three (that we know of) different hardware configurations on the ps3, that firmware might have small issues across the different hardware revisions?

ok....

Really, yes. What's so different about the hardware configs that you know of?

Sony does not produce firmware updates for specific systems, that wouldn't (and doesn't) make any sense. You're just as likely to have issues with a brand new lasted rev system as you are with a launch system with a firmware updates.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 08:05 PM

Really, yes. What's so different about the hardware configs that you know of?

Sony does not produce firmware updates for specific systems, that wouldn't (and doesn't) make any sense. You're just as likely to have issues with a brand new lasted rev system as you are with a launch system with a firmware updates.

1. What's so different? How about the fact that there are three revisions that we know of alone dealing with backward compatibility. You can look that up very easily.

2. I never said they did or should make different firmware udpates. I said that demonstrably there are problems with newer firmwares and older systems. It's not just the official ps3 forums that reflect this. All of the troubleshooter sites, fixya, llama forums...anywhere people are talking about ps3 troubleshooting you'll see these issues. Like any hardware or software issue that you ever see on the internet, there are people who flat out don't believe, or think the people who are experiencing the issue are responsible, and like always, the fact that *you* don't have this problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Again, it's very telling how much of a rorschach test a thread like this is.

alg7_munif

12-21-2008, 08:07 PM

Did you miss when I said that people with 40GB PS3 also have their problems?

rflcptr

12-21-2008, 08:09 PM

How's the restore coming?

Technoob

12-21-2008, 08:10 PM

Did you miss when I said that people with 40GB PS3 also have their problems?

I thought you left? Every single firmware update has caused some issues, sometimes much more than others. If you've read the forums or followed the ps3 modding scene especially, you'd know that. You have zero point. Some Jasper xbox 360s still rrod, they're just much less likely to than the older pieces of garbage. Just because a jasper can rrod too doesn't mean old ones aren't more likely to...and just because a 40 gigger can brick with firmware doesn't mean an original isn't more likely to either....get it? Want to keep going though? You're doing a great job of failing so far.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 08:11 PM

How's the restore coming?

I'm watching dark knight on blu ray right now, working fantastic :)

Dallows

12-21-2008, 08:14 PM

1. What's so different? How about the fact that there are three revisions that we know of alone dealing with backward compatibility. You can look that up very easily.

2. I never said they did or should make different firmware udpates. I said that demonstrably there are problems with newer firmwares and older systems. It's not just the official ps3 forums that reflect this. All of the troubleshooter sites, fixya, llama forums...anywhere people are talking about ps3 troubleshooting you'll see these issues. Like any hardware or software issue that you ever see on the internet, there are people who flat out don't believe, or think the people who are experiencing the issue are responsible, and like always, the fact that *you* don't have this problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Again, it's very telling how much of a rorschach test a thread like this is.

Is anyone else reading this? I mean seriously.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 08:17 PM

Is anyone else reading this? I mean seriously.

Funny how the two people who are freaking out the most about this are two of the biggest dyed in the wool sony fanboys on these forums.

Total coincidence though.

alg7_munif

12-21-2008, 08:20 PM

I thought you left? Every single firmware update has caused some issues, sometimes much more than others. If you've read the forums or followed the ps3 modding scene especially, you'd know that. You have zero point. Some Jasper xbox 360s still rrod, they're just much less likely to than the older pieces of garbage. Just because a jasper can rrod too doesn't mean old ones aren't more likely to...and just because a 40 gigger can brick with firmware doesn't mean an original isn't more likely to either....get it? Want to keep going though? You're doing a great job of failing so far.

Actually you are spreading BS here because you said that the newer firmwares are designed for the newer models and they are causing problems for the older models.

The fact is some people will get some problems with a firmware update, it doesn't matter whether it is the newer model or an older one. There are also far a lot more people who don't have any problem with a firmware update even on their older model PS3. Just because you had a bad luck, you don't need to make things up or spread FUD.

Dallows

12-21-2008, 08:23 PM

Funny how the two people who are freaking out the most about this are two of the biggest dyed in the wool sony fanboys on these forums.

Total coincidence though.

That was bound to happen. I'm not "freaking out." The only thing is this thread that upsets me is your insanity.

But whatever, I'm done pointing out the obvious in your ridiculous statements.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 08:34 PM

whether it is the newer model or an older one. There are also far a lot more people who don't have any problem with a firmware update even on their older model PS3..

I already said that. If you want to keep agreeing with me, just quote the rest of my responses. Also, nice that you agree finally that firmware updates are bricking consoles. That wasn't so hard now was it?

Technoob

12-21-2008, 08:35 PM

That was bound to happen. I'm not "freaking out." The only thing is this thread that upsets me is your insanity.

But whatever, I'm done pointing out the obvious in your ridiculous statements.

You never pointed anything out. You made snarky comments that incidentally showed that you had no idea that there were multiple hardware revisions for the ps3, to give just one example.

alg7_munif

12-21-2008, 08:40 PM

I already said that. If you want to keep agreeing with me, just quote the rest of my responses. Also, nice that you agree finally that firmware updates are bricking consoles. That wasn't so hard now was it?

No that wasn't hard at all, I know that firmware updates could give problems to some but the percentage is much smaller than a BIOS update bricking mobos.

However saying that the latest updates are designed for newer models and they are causing lots of problems for older models is still a pure BS.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 08:44 PM

No that wasn't hard at all, I know that firmware updates could give problems to some but the percentage is much smaller than a BIOS update bricking mobos.

However saying that the latest updates are designed for newer models and they are causing lots of problems for older models is still a pure BS.

And you base that statement on your...blind faith in sony and zero research or information, or even anecdote. For someone who left the thread 3 responses ago you're doing great!

Dallows

12-21-2008, 08:48 PM

You never pointed anything out. You made snarky comments that incidentally showed that you had no idea that there were multiple hardware revisions for the ps3, to give just one example.

Actually I did.

And all I said what that you didn't know what you were talking.

I asked what you knew about the revisions (I have nothing to prove to you, it's the other way around) and you babbled something about backwards compatibility. You're really re-enforcing your argument that new firmware is bad for old hardware. Grats.

Technoob

12-21-2008, 08:51 PM

Actually I did.

And all I said what that you didn't know what you were talking.

I asked what you knew about the revisions (I have nothing to prove to you, it's the other way around) and you babbled something about backwards compatibility. You're really re-enforcing your argument that new firmware is bad for old hardware. Grats.

Seriously? For someone who is so in the tank for Sony, I would have thought you'd know about the hardware versions. Hint: there's a difference between the 60/20 fully BC versions, the 80 partial bc, and the newest 40/80/160 versions, and it's not the hard drive size. Here's a little starting taste...careful though, I heard this is a total M$ fanboy forum....http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=35032&highlight=45nm

For someone making judgments about people "not knowing what they're talking about", you're sure displaying a cornucopia of knowledge here, please keep the lessons going. . .

Stereophile

12-21-2008, 10:35 PM

You're really re-enforcing your argument that new firmware is bad for old hardware. Grats.

I still haven't seen any evidence presented in this thread that new firmware causes special problems for older PS3 models.

I have a 60 GB PS3 from launch.

Works perfectly fine with latest firmware, I avidly watch the latest (profile) Blu-Rays on it, play my PS3/PS2 games, and download games from PSN.

Ditto.

Dallows

12-21-2008, 10:44 PM

I still haven't seen any evidence presented in this thread that new firmware causes special problems for older PS3 models.

sarcasm + internet = win

alg7_munif

12-22-2008, 06:16 AM

I still haven't seen any evidence presented in this thread that new firmware causes special problems for older PS3 models.

Ditto.

Welcome to the "freaking out dyed in the wool sony fan club" ;) Who needs evidence when you can call people names to make your BS stand. :o

Mac[X-D]

12-22-2008, 07:05 AM

The 360 and it's RROD did receive enough attention for MS to finally extend the warranty to 3 years.

And if you do install drivers (created by and endorsed by the manufacturer) that corrupt your system, the manufacturer should own up to the problem. I made no mention of a lawsuit, just that Sony help it's customers that are out of warranty and who applied their update. In all seriousness, I'm glad i'm under warranty and was able to send my system in, I just hope something like this doesn't happen to me a year or two down the road.

no you didn't mention a lawsuit but the thread you referred to does that's all i was getting at.

i am with you i am out of Sony warranty in April of 09 and was dumb enough to not buy the BB warranty when i bought my PS3 so i am in the same boat if it fails i am left paying to fix it. but i made that choice dumb as it was so i can't very well blame Sony once i am out of warranty. do i think MS and Sony should offer more than a year warranty, yes should they offer a extended warranty that you can buy anytime with in your warranty period, yes i just don't see it happening.

erwos

12-22-2008, 07:16 AM

I did a system restore on my 60gb a couple months ago (put Linux on there), and it worked just fine. I'm pretty sure it didn't take ~20 hours, either. Maybe something is broken with your external drive?

rflcptr

12-22-2008, 03:09 PM

I'm watching dark knight on blu ray right now, working fantastic :)
So the restore fixed the issue you were having?

Technoob

12-22-2008, 03:33 PM

So the restore fixed the issue you were having?

It did. And to those who say I'm peddling FUD (looking at you, sony fanboy trifecta), consider this:
Am I telling anyone that the playstation is poorly made or shouldn't be purchased? Nope, the opposite actually
Am I telling people then that they shouldn't buy a 60 or 80 gig model? Nope, anyone who can get one with BC totally should.
Am I reasonably telling people to maybe pause and see if there are issues with a firmware when they come out? Yep.

omg horror of horrors! FUD, fire DISASTER!!!!

Like I said, the people who have a problem with this reasonable response seem to be projecting their own insecurity about anyone saying anything "mean" about their beloved brand.

rflcptr

12-22-2008, 03:46 PM

It did.
Good to hear. After that, were you able to successfully install the latest firmware?

Creepingdeath1977

12-22-2008, 04:04 PM

Yeah, unless it's 100% necessary, I won't be updating anymore until it's confirmed that people aren't having these issues.

PS3 is nice hardware, but these 60 giggers (and some 80 giggers) seem to have problems with the firmware that's designed for the newer models. Trying to release software for 4-5 different hardware configs seems to be causing lots of problems for older models.

I'll be checking the forums for a few weeks before I update next time.

I've got a launch 60gig and never had problems with the updates, but I have heard of people having issues.

Congrats on the fix though.

Off topic, Technoob after reading this whole thread, you use alot of big words.

alg7_munif

12-22-2008, 04:18 PM

It did. And to those who say I'm peddling FUD (looking at you, sony fanboy trifecta), consider this:
Am I telling anyone that the playstation is poorly made or shouldn't be purchased? Nope, the opposite actually
Am I telling people then that they shouldn't buy a 60 or 80 gig model? Nope, anyone who can get one with BC totally should.
Am I reasonably telling people to maybe pause and see if there are issues with a firmware when they come out? Yep.
Am I making things up by saying that the newer updates are designed for the newer models and they are causing problem on the older models? Definitely.

omg horror of horrors! FUD, fire DISASTER!!!!

Like I said, the people who have a problem with this reasonable response seem to be projecting their own insecurity about anyone saying anything "mean" about their beloved brand.
Fixed

Technoob

12-22-2008, 04:53 PM

Fixed

Still here? Still failing.

Technoob

12-22-2008, 04:55 PM

Off topic, Technoob after reading this whole thread, you use alot of big words.

heh, like what?

Creepingdeath1977

12-22-2008, 05:10 PM

heh, like what?

Too many to list, and take in to consideration I live in ALAbama.;)
just take it as a compliment.

Technoob

12-22-2008, 05:11 PM

Too many to list, just take it as a compliment.

Thanks, English isn't my first language :)

Creepingdeath1977

12-22-2008, 05:13 PM

Thanks, English isn't my first language :)

AHHA! I knew you were a NAZI:p

alg7_munif

12-22-2008, 06:42 PM

Still here? Still failing.

Fail of what? :confused: Playing along with your FUD?

Technoob

12-22-2008, 09:40 PM

AHHA! I knew you were a NAZI:p

Guilty as charged. Prison guard at treblinka -> criticizing ps3 firmware. It fits. At least in alg7's fevered imagination....

Tigerblade

12-23-2008, 04:07 AM

bboynitrous

12-23-2008, 04:24 AM

BS, my 60GB PS3 never had any problem with any update. Bad luck on your part, yes, but making a general statement like that is just BS.

I'm with this guy. My 60GB runs absolutely fine with the latest firmware.

TechHead

12-23-2008, 05:02 AM

Can't we all just get along?
Oh, and FWIW, my 60GB PAL PS3 works just fine with 2.53. Blu-Rays, content streaming, games, Flash.. everything.

alg7_munif

12-23-2008, 06:46 AM

Actually there must be some difference in the revisions of PS3. I had a Jap launch 60Gb that froze without fail after a few mins on GTA4 & Bad Company.....I also know of 3 others with 60Gb Pal launch machines that had the same problem. Two of us now have the newer 80Gb Pal machine and there have been no freezing issues at all in any game.

Now obviously I'm not saying every single 60Gb is gonna freeze on certain games, but it is more than a coincidence that I know a few ppl having the same prob with the same games with the same SKU.

Maybe it is related to overheating. My PS3 froze before when I crammed it in a tight and poor ventilated place. Now it is placed in a well ventilated place and I didn't get the problem anymore. I also noticed that putting the the console vertically would give a better cooling since it is pushing the hot air out at the Blu-Ray drive side. So in a vertical position, the hot air will have a direct flow up.