Vista 7 er ah Windows 7

[crewzen]

:eek:Next week we should see what Win 7 can do or cant do.:p:o Beta comming out. Sorry I just figured you would know buy now.:D

I just purchased Vista @$400.00 Just over a year ago and now they want me to buy another Windows next year?:mad:

[Cyrilix]

#1 - Don't buy Ultimate. Buy Home Premium. Save yourself $270.
#2 - You don't have to use Windows 7 since no one's forcing you.

Also, what's coming up next week?

[brom42]

You are bitching because you finally show up to the Vista party after it is half way done? Give me a break. I bought Vista Ultimate on the day it was released. I also used a 25% off coupon from buy.com to get it for only $300.

I frequently change out hardware, run a full windows domain at home and use the media center. So a retail copy of Ultimate made the most sense for me.

[Somnambulator]

$400? where did you buy it...Best Buy??

you can find Home Prem on newegg for like $120 max and Ultimate for $200 max, probably closer to $150 than 200.

those prices existed shortly after release

[450]

Remember 95? NT4? Then 95b? Then osr 2.1? 98? 98SE? ME? 2000?

In five years there were more than 5 releases. MS is just getting back up to speed. I expect Windows 9 to be out in 2010-11.

[dark_reign]

Vista will be good enough, so don't worry about having to upgrade to Windows 7 unless it has something you must have or dramatically improves stability and performance.

[Mithent]

I'm not currently expecting to upgrade from Vista myself, unless 7 has some amazing new features, which I doubt. It's still based on pretty much the same underlying system as Vista - it's the XP to Vista's Windows 2000. I generally upgrade Windows only with a new computer.

[l337*g0at]

I'll update to Windows 7 once I have the spare cash for the new touch screens that make the "special" programs operate to full potential.

[TechieSooner]

Turning around every 2-3 years is about average for a "standard" Windows release.
We've just been sitting on XP for 7 years, that most people are "set in their ways" so to speak, which no matter what OS Microsoft released would have raised hell... It just happened to have been named Vista.

We'll be back to supporting 2-3 versions of Windows actively. XP-Vista-Windows 7.
It's just the past 7 years all we've really had is XP and a little bit of 2000.

[Version_3]

#1 - Don't buy Ultimate. Buy Home Premium. Save yourself $270.
#2 - You don't have to use Windows 7 since no one's forcing you.

Also, what's coming up next week?

I agree with #1
#2, I feel MS forces you after a while, by dropping the support on the OS. Its a couple years, but prices of retail OS's don't seem to drop really.

[TechieSooner]

I agree with #1
#2, I feel MS forces you after a while, by dropping the support on the OS. Its a couple years, but prices of retail OS's don't seem to drop really.

A COUPLE years? Did you realize Windows 2000 is still on extended support?

[magoo]

Anybody know what W7 has to offer that would make me want it???

Three of my boxes (kids computers) still have XP Pro and I use Vista Home Premium.....mainly due to DX10 support and multi GPU support.

I don't like Vista all that much and would be interested to see what W7 has to offer??
Is there a beta release coming out???

[xxEIEIOxx]

A COUPLE years? Did you realize Windows 2000 is still on extended support?

True, I still have many large customers using Windows 2000.

[JimmiG]

#1 - Don't buy Ultimate. Buy Home Premium. Save yourself $270.
#2 - You don't have to use Windows 7 since no one's forcing you.

Also, what's coming up next week?


QFT.

Ultimate is a waste of money IMO. 99% of users don't need the extra features and the "Extras" are a joke.

Vista has been out since late 2006 and Windows 7 is not coming until the middle of 2009 at the earliest. If you look back, that's a pretty normal "shelf life" for a Windows OS ie Win95, Win98 1st and then 2nd Edition, WinME, Win2000 and XP all came out between 1995 and 2001. Windows XP was an exception because of all the delays that Vista suffered from.

[crewzen]

Well I still have win 2k and I have had Vista since it came out almost 2 years ago. Still not impressed and that is why my wife wants her computer back to XP. She states Vista is crap and hard to get her work done on Vista. The drivers are not as refined working software. Yes the drivers look and act fancier but work like crap.:mad:

So it's back to XP again. You would think with all the extra memory that they would write programs that utilize 64 bit and lots of memory.

Back to something that I have more controll of XP!!!:eek:

[CptFalcon]

Ultimate Upgrade Exploit, FTMW!

[Cyrilix]

Well I still have win 2k and I have had Vista since it came out almost 2 years ago. Still not impressed and that is why my wife wants her computer back to XP. She states Vista is crap and hard to get her work done on Vista. The drivers are not as refined working software. Yes the drivers look and act fancier but work like crap.:mad:

So it's back to XP again. You would think with all the extra memory that they would write programs that utilize 64 bit and lots of memory.

Back to something that I have more controll of XP!!!:eek:

You do know what drivers are, right? They're the interface between the hardware and the operating system. They don't "look" or "act" fancier. They just do what they're supposed to. You must be talking about applications.

[TechieSooner]

True, I still have many large customers using Windows 2000.
Yup. Windows 2000 is very solid.
I'd expect those larger customers to actually start migrating to XP, since it's essentially just Windows 2000.

Ultimate is a waste of money IMO. 99% of users don't need the extra features and the "Extras" are a joke.
Well, here's my breakdown.
Home Basic: Cheap OS for the "Basics"- amazing how they name it as such.
Home Premium: Aero, and additional apps that your casual home users like.
Business: Business capabilities. Amazing name, once more.
Ultimate: Home Premium+Business. This, IMO, fits into the VERY small percentage of folks running domains at home. Most folks in business aren't going to use Windows' built-in tools to make their DVDs, and most folks in business don't need Media Center.

Therefore, Ultimate is for home users. And only a small percentage at that.


Windows XP was an exception because of all the delays that Vista suffered from.
Well, Windows XP waos needing such security fixes they had to go forward with SP2. At that point, XP had been patched so darn much that it was a pretty decent OS.
And for the record- Microsoft started work on Vista before the launch of XP...

She states Vista is crap and hard to get her work done on Vista.
Any reason why? Majority of home users like it, in my experience.

[bigdogchris]

Vista is the best OS Microsoft has released since 98se.

[TechieSooner]

Vista is the best OS Microsoft has released.

I fixed your quote ;)

[devil22]

Haha, Techie.

Some people were asking for info on windows 7, here are two good links that will get updated as new info gets released:
http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/windows_7.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

Wikipedia lists the following:

Kernel features
Windows 7 will be a major topic of technical sessions at WinHEC 2008 [51] The following improvements and additions to Windows 7 (and Server 2008 R2) kernel components will be discussed:

WDDM 1.1
Direct3D 11
Desktop Window Manager requires Direct3D 10
D2D, a new hardware-accelerated 2D API built on top of Direct3D 10
NDIS 6.20
DirectX Video Acceleration-High Definition (DXVA-HD)
AVCHD camera support and Universal Video Class 1.1
Protected Broadcast Driver Architecture (PDBA) for TV tuner cards
Bluetooth audio stack
Hyper-V and VHD support
More than 64 logical processors


Have to wait for PDC and WinHec in the coming weeks for more details, but so far so good. :)

[SlowCobra]

Vista is the best OS Microsoft has released since 98se.

You mean ME isn't the best OS from Microsoft?!? :eek: ;)

[Grazehell]

You mean ME isn't the best OS from Microsoft?!? :eek: ;)

My god. If I did not experience ME I would not have believe it but since I had, I could safely say that it was the worst OS I have ever used! I dont know why anyone would use it over Windows 2000 which was readily before ME.

[TechieSooner]

My god. If I did not experience ME I would not have believe it but since I had, I could safely say that it was the worst OS I have ever used! I dont know why anyone would use it over Windows 2000 which was readily before ME.

I don't either. I'd consider it the greatest Microsoft blunder.

That thing would crash if it even thought about it ;)

[DR_K13]

Vista is the best OS Microsoft has released since 98se.
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[dark_reign]

Win98 SE was good in its day but far from being better than Win2k or XP. Someone needs his or her head examined.

[Spetsnaz Op]

Server 2008 is perhaps the best OS Microsoft has released since 98se. Also, W2k > 98se I fixed your quote ;)

and I fixed your fix ;)

[Unknown-One]

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I know, Vista is just so wonderful! Makes me want to laugh gleefully as well! :)

[Scream And Fly]

Windows 3.1 FTW

[450]

Windows 3.1 FTW

I'll take your Windows 3.1 and raise you .01 for Windows for Workgroups 3.11!

I remember when I was 7 years old I begged my parents for Windows 95 (floppy edition!!) so I could play fancy Windows games. DirectX 11? Pah! DirectX 2 was the rage in my time.

[ryan_975]

If you paid $400 for WIndows Vista, you're a damned fool. :D MS has been trying their hardest to give Vista away to anyone that wants it.

-- They gave away two copies of Ultimate from just letting them spy on a computer's usage and filling out the occasional online survey (okay they sent me one).

-- They gave away your choice Vista Business and/or Office 2007 Pro right before the Jan 2007 release just for watching three (or was it five) training videos.

-- The gave you a free upgrade to Vista Home Premium if you bought XP Media Center Edition between October 2006 and March 2007. Granted you still had to buy something first.

-- They had a 1 year Technet Plus subscription run last June for a whole $99 that give you access to Vista Ultimate, Business and Enterprise that you can use as many times as you want (each key lasts 10 activations, but you can request new keys if your subscription is still valid).


Hell, if you're a student, you can get access to Visual Studio 2008 and 2005, Server 2003 and Server 2008, and other expensive products through their DreamSpark program.

[Elledan]

Even after Windows 7 has been released you should wait at least 1-2 years until SP1, did you forget that? ;)

All jokes aside, Apple releases an entirely new version of OS X every year (which seems to be lighter, faster and more full-featured, but that aside), so MSFT is taking it relatively easy :) It's also why MSFT charges more for its OS: they want to get the money from the yearly Windows releases they never released as well ;)

Personally I'm still firmly sticking to Win2k/XP (as well as Linux and BSD). By the time Win7 has SP1 ReactOS may even be a viable alternative for WinXP and I'd start using it full-time :)

[Unknown-One]

By the time Win7 has SP1 ReactOS may even be a viable alternative for WinXP and I'd start using it full-time :)
They've been working on ReactOS since 1996 (that's 12 years) and they still have yet to reach their first goal of Windows NT 4.0 compatibility.

If you're lucky, they might be starting work on NT 5.0 (Windows 2000) compatibility by the time Windows 8 rolls around, but given their current rate of progress, it won't be fully compatible till some time in 2030.

[JimmiG]

My god. If I did not experience ME I would not have believe it but since I had, I could safely say that it was the worst OS I have ever used! I dont know why anyone would use it over Windows 2000 which was readily before ME.

Windows 2000 was never a good gaming OS. Win98 ruled for gamers until XP came out except for a few brave souls who risked compatibility problems and poor performance just to use the allmighty NT kernel.
WinME worked fine on my system back then, believe it or not. The biggest problem with ME was IE 5.5 - there was some kind of bug that caused crashes when using "smooth scrolling" among other things. Other than this, the core OS wasn't less stable than Win98SE.. it was just that Win98SE wasn't very stable in the first place and ME didn't do much to improve the situation, plus NT was all the rage back then so noone cared for yet another 9x-based OS.

[CopyThat]

Technet FTW

[Azhar]

I don't either. I'd consider it the greatest Microsoft blunder.

That thing would crash if it even thought about it ;)

Nah, ME is second to Bob in Microsoft blunders. At least ME got launched.

[DeaconFrost]

The drivers are not as refined working software. Yes the drivers look and act fancier but work like crap.:mad:
I think this quote tells us everything we need to know about this thread. :rolleyes:

I honestly couldn't tell you how my drivers "look". If this is what you are basing your OS decisions on, I think it's time for you and your wife to get matching his and hers typewriters.

[Sovereign]

Well if Vista is any indication, Windows 7 should be less bloated, boot faster and have very few compatibility issues because it W7 is closely related to, but an improved version of, Vista. Therefore, I fail to see what the problem is.

My only gripe with Vista is that for all the features (and stability), you pay a steeper price in new hardware than previous OSes. I know that new operating systems need new hardware, but relatively speaking compared to the hardware jumps required in previous Windows releases, Vista is a bit excessive... I'm talking my personal hardware recommendations (2GB RAM specifically), but still... I have friends who would run Vista but don't have the money for both a new OS and more RAM.

If Windows 7 delivers on being lighter-weight, Microsoft will have a winner on its hands.

[Azhar]

Well if Vista is any indication, Windows 7 should be less bloated, boot faster and have very few compatibility issues because it W7 is closely related to, but an improved version of, Vista. Therefore, I fail to see what the problem is.

My only gripe with Vista is that for all the features (and stability), you pay a steeper price in new hardware than previous OSes. I know that new operating systems need new hardware, but relatively speaking compared to the hardware jumps required in previous Windows releases, Vista is a bit excessive... I'm talking my personal hardware recommendations (2GB RAM specifically), but still... I have friends who would run Vista but don't have the money for both a new OS and more RAM.

If Windows 7 delivers on being lighter-weight, Microsoft will have a winner on its hands.

Say what? RAM is cheaper than dirt these days, and Vista works just fine on Prescotts and newer computers.

[Imprez04]

Technet FTW

i know technet is awesome,

but mind going into why you decided to say that in the tread?

is windows 7 on technet, or are you just happy you can get as many CD keys as you want?

[DeaconFrost]

but mind going into why you decided to say that in the tread?
Because, by having TechNet, the cost of the OS is negated.
is windows 7 on technet, or are you just happy you can get as many CD keys as you want?
It will be a long time before Windows 7 is available on TechNet. Also, with TechNet, you don't get as many CD keys as you want. Different products have limits, and some only give you one.

[magoo]

I don't either. I'd consider it the greatest Microsoft blunder.

That thing would crash if it even thought about it ;)

ME would crash BEFORE you could think about it.

About RAM......18 months ago RAM was still pricey and with the Vista requirements, it was something to think about...........plus a qualified GPU and CPU..........so it was a pretty hefty upgrade path for someone who isn't an enthusiast.

[MrGuvernment]

and I fixed your fix ;)

You do know Server 2008 = Vista Sp1? (same kernal builds and all!) :rolleyes:


.plus a qualified GPU and CPU


huh? perhaps if you needed aero sure, but otherwise any video card would work and any CPU, pending what version, i have vista business x32 on a old P4 A 2.4 (400FSB) and 512 of rambus ram with a PCI 9200 vid card here at work for a person, works fine!

[skeeder]

You do know Server 2008 = Vista Sp1? (same kernal builds and all!) :rolleyes:



huh? perhaps if you needed aero sure, but otherwise any video card would work and any CPU, pending what version, i have vista business x32 on a old P4 A 2.4 (400FSB) and 512 of rambus ram with a PCI 9200 vid card here at work for a person, works fine!

you do? you most be budda or something with the patience you have.

I ran it for like... 15 minutes on my main rig and I hated it.

Windows 7 from what I've been told is suppose to be very nice.

[Azhar]

you do? you most be budda or something with the patience you have.

I ran it for like... 15 minutes on my main rig and I hated it.

Windows 7 from what I've been told is suppose to be very nice.


:rolleyes:

[Vermillion]

:rolleyes:

+1 QFT

Anybody who makes their mind up about Vista after 15 minutes needs to just go back to XP forever and leave the rest of us alone.

[Brahmzy]

I absolutely love Vx64... bought legit Ultimate on eBay for $190 shipped almost a year ago.
I'm sure I will love W7 too. OS upgrades are nothing new folks. If it's even a little better than Vista, I'll buy it and love it.

[Psychor]

I've been using Vista (different flavors - 32bit, 64bit, Home, Ultimate, etc.) since it came out and I'm quite happy with it. I'd recommend Ultimate if you're a power user since you won't have access to the Group Policy Editor in Home. Also, if you use remote desktop you'll be limited in how you can use it with Home.

[YeuEmMaiMai]

Windows 2000 was never a good gaming OS.

sure it was I used it until I changed to vista.....lol

[Elledan]

They've been working on ReactOS since 1996 (that's 12 years) and they still have yet to reach their first goal of Windows NT 4.0 compatibility.

If you're lucky, they might be starting work on NT 5.0 (Windows 2000) compatibility by the time Windows 8 rolls around, but given their current rate of progress, it won't be fully compatible till some time in 2030.

That isn't totally fair. ReactOS as the NT-clone didn't start until 1998 (I was there :) ) and had to do with only a few developers. During the 0.2.x releases (current is 0.3.7, well, in a few days :) ) the pace began to pick up and at this point ROS is mostly compatible with WinNT 4, 5 and XP.

I may be a bit biased since I'm one of the devs on ROS (installer, USB/Firewire, bootloader, audio, among others), but from what I can tell ROS' main issue right now is that it needs more stability (it is alpha software for a reason) and the rest of the Win32 API needs to be implemented (over 50% has already been implemented). Preliminary work on the Vista APIs has begun as well.

To come back to your first point, NT4-compatibility has been reached already. Virtually the entire NT4 APIs have been implemented and aside from stability issues (again, alpha software), it beats NT4 already in functionality.

[bboynitrous]

You are bitching because you finally show up to the Vista party after it is half way done? Give me a break. I bought Vista Ultimate on the day it was released. I also used a 25% off coupon from buy.com to get it for only $300.

I frequently change out hardware, run a full windows domain at home and use the media center. So a retail copy of Ultimate made the most sense for me.

Vista party late? Are you kidding me? It's finally a quality OS that has the support it should have had. I bought home premium several weeks ago and I know this is the nature of the beast. I only paid 100 bucks for my OEM copy but we're not all that stupid as to just buy the damn OS the day it's released. Thanks but no thanks.

Edit. I will do the same thing for Windows 7 if need be. I will wait a year after it's released and the drivers get to where they need to be at and then pick up an OEM copy. So far so good.

[rampantandroid]

:eek:Next week we should see what Win 7 can do or cant do.:p:o Beta comming out. Sorry I just figured you would know buy now.:D

I just purchased Vista @$400.00 Just over a year ago and now they want me to buy another Windows next year?:mad:

You didn't buy it right away for one, and Win7 isn't coming out yet for two. It is a closed alpha to PDC attendees afaik (in other words, a version for developers to get going with.) Win7 is still slated for 2010 I think.

So why do you care? You prob won't buy Win7 right away either, and will be able to buy an upgrade version (since you CAN do a clean install with a upgrade version.) You'll have 3 years between purchases...XP was just the odd one out in terms of how long it was around (and not even Apple can boast a period of time as long as XP where they didn't make you buy a new OS...)

[DeaconFrost]

we're not all that stupid as to just buy the damn OS the day it's released. Thanks but no thanks.
It's those "stupid" people who try an OS out right away and report their feedback to the various hardware companies that get driver issues resolved. The same goes for application compatibility. Without those "stupid" people, it would take MUCH longer for an OS to be stable. Vista was also pretty damn good when it was first released....much more stable than any of the previous version of Windows.

You also are forgetting that you are posting on an enthusiasts forum. Waiting a full year or more for an OS that was perfectly stable long before that is unheard of.

[noobman]

The gap between XP and Vista is the exception, not the norm. New versions of Windows will more than likely come out every 2-3 years.

I wasn't sold on Vista for a very long time, but once you disable UAC and beef up your PC, it's actually quite a bit faster. My Vista rig starts up in less time than it takes my XP laptop to "wake up" from hibernation. Windows Aero also looks very slick on a 24" monitor =)

[Unknown-One]

That isn't totally fair. ReactOS as the NT-clone didn't start until 1998 (I was there :) ) and had to do with only a few developers. During the 0.2.x releases (current is 0.3.7, well, in a few days :) ) the pace began to pick up and at this point ROS is mostly compatible with WinNT 4, 5 and XP.

I may be a bit biased since I'm one of the devs on ROS (installer, USB/Firewire, bootloader, audio, among others), but from what I can tell ROS' main issue right now is that it needs more stability (it is alpha software for a reason) and the rest of the Win32 API needs to be implemented (over 50% has already been implemented). Preliminary work on the Vista APIs has begun as well.

To come back to your first point, NT4-compatibility has been reached already. Virtually the entire NT4 APIs have been implemented and aside from stability issues (again, alpha software), it beats NT4 already in functionality.
Fair enough, didn't know 100% compatibility with NT4 had been reached, that's great news. You're going to have a hell of a time with Vista's API though, especially if you ever want ReactX to be DirectX 10 compatible (based on a completely different display driver model from NT4, 5, and XP).

ME would crash BEFORE you could think about it.

About RAM......18 months ago RAM was still pricey and with the Vista requirements, it was something to think about...........plus a qualified GPU and CPU..........so it was a pretty hefty upgrade path for someone who isn't an enthusiast.
Now days though, you can get a CPU perfectly capable of running Vista for $25 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103196), or $35 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103067) is you want a dual core. RAM is only another $22 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227189) for 2GB or $44 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231207) for 4GB. As for a video card, even Intel integrated solutions can run Aero now days, but even if you do need a new card a $20 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141068) solution will be enough (or just get a decent $60 motherboard with integrated graphics and call it a day).

You could probably upgrade the internals of most systems built any time after the year 2000 to be comfortably Vista capable for about $100 :p

[Mackintire]

Ok guys I this feels like I have to repost the same thing on every forum so here's the very short version.

Vista's first priority. Security
Vista's second priority. Clean code for the future


Windows 7 first priority. Human interface
Windows 7 second priority. Out of box experiance


Another detail that many of you do not know or would not know is that out of the origional 15 improvements Windows Longhorn was supposed to bring, Vista pre SP1 gave us 2 out of 15 of those improvements.

Windows 7 out of the box gives us 13 out of 15 of those improvements.

So take windows longhorns features, Vista's stability and centric code design and a few of the better UI ideas copied from Apple and *nix and you have Windows 7


If you want ot know more go research it or read the windows 7 engineering blog.


Lastly I picked up my Bill Gates Edition of Vista Ultimate for $69 before Vista officially came out. I will most likely pre-purchase Windows 7 in the same fashion.

[bboynitrous]

It's those "stupid" people who try an OS out right away and report their feedback to the various hardware companies that get driver issues resolved. The same goes for application compatibility. Without those "stupid" people, it would take MUCH longer for an OS to be stable. Vista was also pretty damn good when it was first released....much more stable than any of the previous version of Windows.

You also are forgetting that you are posting on an enthusiasts forum. Waiting a full year or more for an OS that was perfectly stable long before that is unheard of.

Sure. You can be an enthusiast for an OS with system crashes and lost data, and I'll be an enthusiast for hardware and games and have fun. I work and don't need to be someones free beta tester. We obviously have a different eye on what we're willing to cooperate with levels of acceptability. End of discussion.

[Freezebyte]

Man, amazing how things change in this IT world. I remember picking Win XP back in early 2002 for around $75 after some store credit and student discount and finally got rid of Win98 at long last. Over 6 years later, my home and career have been based upon this OS for the most part and its been a big learning experience from seeing XP being used and trashed from Joe the porn surfer to multimillion dollar business at my current job.

For me, I have gotten a good 6 years outa XP and its done very well for me and give two thumbs up. But i've pretty much "mastered" XP for my usage and I wanna try something new and different so instead of "poo poing" Vista without any hands on knowledge other then computer store kiosks, im going 64bit Home Premium with my new build and look forward to starting a new OS chapter. :cool:

[Freezebyte]

+1 QFT

Anybody who makes their mind up about Vista after 15 minutes needs to just go back to XP forever and leave the rest of us alone.

I agree, thats like rubbing your finger on a new car and not buying it cause it doesn't "feel" good.

[Elledan]

Fair enough, didn't know 100% compatibility with NT4 had been reached, that's great news. You're going to have a hell of a time with Vista's API though, especially if you ever want ReactX to be DirectX 10 compatible (based on a completely different display driver model from NT4, 5, and XP).



Yes, ReactX is going to be a pain :) Fortunately DX will work too at some point, making it just a point of legality (DX license). The WDM/WDF driver model of NT5 is indeed fairly different from Vista's driver model. To be honest I don't know much about it yet, only that it adds another zillion layers and breaks a lot of stuff (like DirectSound) ;)

[DeaconFrost]

End of discussion.
It would be, if you dropped the condescending tones. I work as well, and am quite busy on top of that outside of work. I believe you are forgetting the concept of virtual machines and test systems that you try out new software in. You're comments about lost data aren't even relevenant, because we wouldn't be using bleeding edge software on a production system. However, once you loaded Vista on a test system, and gave it a few weeks of usage, you felt confident that it was stable and ready for everyday use. People like you who listened to the FUD and had a general fear about Vista for it's first year, absolutely, positively came late to the party, which started this back and forth convo we have now.

The fact is, Vista was ready for use much sooner than you wanted to admit. Then, you proceeded to bash anyone who decided to use it before YOU felt comfortable with it, as stupid. Common sense, man....common sense.

Besides, on top of all this nonsense, for some of us...it is our job to try out new software and technologies when they are first available. Just because someone, for whatever reason, wanted to try out Vista before you, surely doesn't make them stupid.

[ryan_975]

It would be, if you dropped the condescending tones. I work as well, and am quite busy on top of that outside of work. I believe you are forgetting the concept of virtual machines and test systems that you try out new software in. You're comments about lost data aren't even relevenant, because we wouldn't be using bleeding edge software on a production system. However, once you loaded Vista on a test system, and gave it a few weeks of usage, you felt confident that it was stable and ready for everyday use. People like you who listened to the FUD and had a general fear about Vista for it's first year, absolutely, positively came late to the party, which started this back and forth convo we have now.

The fact is, Vista was ready for use much sooner than you wanted to admit. Then, you proceeded to bash anyone who decided to use it before YOU felt comfortable with it, as stupid. Common sense, man....common sense.

Besides, on top of all this nonsense, for some of us...it is our job to try out new software and technologies when they are first available. Just because someone, for whatever reason, wanted to try out Vista before you, surely doesn't make them stupid.

Hell, I used both Vista RC's on my main system and never had a single major problem. It wasn't perfect by any means, but it wasn't unstable and I didn't lose any data. Even my sister used RC1 from release to expiration because she had a non-legit XP install. She never once had any problem from it.